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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: starry-eyed pirate on October 19, 2005, 12:05:00 PM
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That is a crime. You cannot take people, children who have no legal standing of their own and hold them indefinately against their will without any kind of representation and then dictate in a facsist manner their behavior. That is a crime in my eyes. i know that this actually happened. But, You cannot take children who have no way to legally represent themselves and place them in secret mind control cults. This is itself a crime known as "kidnapping". They held us against our will and demeaned us and humilliated and sickened us with their ugly diseases. They tol' us what we could look at. What we could see. What we could hear. What we could feel. What we could think. They wanted to censor our lives, and they did. They wanted to rape our minds and get inside our heads and destroy our hearts. It is oppression. Brutality. They wanted absolute control. What is up with our whole society when our children are all in these mind control prisons ?? Society is sick. Authority is fear.
Str8 had no moral right to hold me physically against my will. My parents had no moral right to sign me into str8. When i put in for a withdraw they should 'a' come and heard what i had to say but they refused to meet with me. When i bolted from the host home my first mornin' they should'a' let me go. When i bolted again 63 days later they should'a' jus' let me be but they had to hunt me down. Chase me through the woods all day for 2 days until i was kidnapped again by 7-steppers and former staff. They should'a' let me alone after the first time i copped out from school on my first day back. They should'a' let me go the 2nd time i made 3rd phase and was gone again, livin' in the woods and never leavin' the woods durin' the day, but they hunted me, still. The police, i mean, were actively hunting me. They should 'a' left me the fuck alone when i copped out again, for the 4th time but they didn't and finally they should never have court-ordered me to that Mind-rape chamber. The commonwealth of VA is criminal. Str8 is criminal.
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Everytime someone copped out someone shoud have asked questions instead of treating the "runaway" like a common criminal. They should have asked every child why, what was so bad that they felt the need to runaway from Straight. They should have given each child the opportunity to tell their side, to report the abuse, to report the mind control, to report the inhume conditions. Every child should have those basic rights to be heard. Then social services agencies and police should have investigated. Damn them for not doing this. Damn them to hell for treating a cop out as if he/she had just escaped from prison. Oh yeah, that's right, Straight was a private prison. :roll: :roll:
No matter....no child who runs away from a program or a home should be treated like a criminal. Period. They should instead be treated with compassion since usually runaways, even from programs are running from something that is hurting them.
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On 2005-10-19 09:41:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Everytime someone copped out someone shoud have asked questions instead of treating the "runaway" like a common criminal. They should have asked every child why, what was so bad that they felt the need to runaway from Straight. They should have given each child the opportunity to tell their side, to report the abuse, to report the mind control, to report the inhume conditions. Every child should have those basic rights to be heard. Then social services agencies and police should have investigated. Damn them for not doing this. Damn them to hell for treating a cop out as if he/she had just escaped from prison. Oh yeah, that's right, Straight was a private prison. :roll: :roll:
No matter....no child who runs away from a program or a home should be treated like a criminal. Period. They should instead be treated with compassion since usually runaways, even from programs are running from something that is hurting them."
I dont agree with any form of abuse, but in some cases the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program. Not all kids run because they are being abused by others.
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On 2005-10-19 09:05:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"That is a crime. You cannot take people, children who have no legal standing of their own and hold them indefinately against their will without any kind of representation and then dictate in a facsist manner their behavior. That is a crime in my eyes. i know that this actually happened. But, You cannot take children who have no way to legally represent themselves and place them in secret mind control cults. This is itself a crime known as "kidnapping". They held us against our will and demeaned us and humilliated and sickened us with their ugly diseases. They tol' us what we could look at. What we could see. What we could hear. What we could feel. What we could think. They wanted to censor our lives, and they did. They wanted to rape our minds and get inside our heads and destroy our hearts. It is oppression. Brutality. They wanted absolute control. What is up with our whole society when our children are all in these mind control prisons ?? Society is sick. Authority is fear.
Str8 had no moral right to hold me physically against my will. My parents had no moral right to sign me into str8. When i put in for a withdraw they should 'a' come and heard what i had to say but they refused to meet with me. When i bolted from the host home my first mornin' they should'a' let me go. When i bolted again 63 days later they should'a' jus' let me be but they had to hunt me down. Chase me through the woods all day for 2 days until i was kidnapped again by 7-steppers and former staff. They should'a' let me alone after the first time i copped out from school on my first day back. They should'a' let me go the 2nd time i made 3rd phase and was gone again, livin' in the woods and never leavin' the woods durin' the day, but they hunted me, still. The police, i mean, were actively hunting me. They should 'a' left me the fuck alone when i copped out again, for the 4th time but they didn't and finally they should never have court-ordered me to that Mind-rape chamber. The commonwealth of VA is criminal. Str8 is criminal.
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Don't you have anything new to say? Same old, same old.
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There's nothin' new under the sun. Still, i hear ya. Tired of my rantin' 'n' railin'. It's cool...i know...sometimes i jus'... (shakin' my head)...ya know ??
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On 2005-10-19 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
On 2005-10-19 09:41:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Everytime someone copped out someone shoud have asked questions instead of treating the "runaway" like a common criminal. They should have asked every child why, what was so bad that they felt the need to runaway from Straight. They should have given each child the opportunity to tell their side, to report the abuse, to report the mind control, to report the inhume conditions. Every child should have those basic rights to be heard. Then social services agencies and police should have investigated. Damn them for not doing this. Damn them to hell for treating a cop out as if he/she had just escaped from prison. Oh yeah, that's right, Straight was a private prison. :roll: :roll:
No matter....no child who runs away from a program or a home should be treated like a criminal. Period. They should instead be treated with compassion since usually runaways, even from programs are running from something that is hurting them."
I dont agree with any form of abuse, but in some cases the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program. Not all kids run because they are being abused by others."
You just reinforced my point why its important to investigate when kids run away instead of automatically forcing them to return to the program/home/situation. So the right people can find out if its is what you said or an unhealthy situation. Straight was never a healthy situation for any kid. Unfortuanately too many people assume the kid is running from themselves, avoiding responsibility, blah, blah, blah. :roll:
Still, regardless of the reason a kid runs away, even from a program...they should ALWAYS be treated with compassion and NEVER treated like a criminal.
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Personally, I think you should be able to write it as many times as you need to Pirate. Sometimes you just need to say it again, and again, and again, etc....right? Yeah I know....Sometimes we just need to be heard...again. I have no problem with that. ::rainbow::
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On 2005-10-19 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 09:41:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Everytime someone copped out someone shoud have asked questions instead of treating the "runaway" like a common criminal. They should have asked every child why, what was so bad that they felt the need to runaway from Straight. They should have given each child the opportunity to tell their side, to report the abuse, to report the mind control, to report the inhume conditions. Every child should have those basic rights to be heard. Then social services agencies and police should have investigated. Damn them for not doing this. Damn them to hell for treating a cop out as if he/she had just escaped from prison. Oh yeah, that's right, Straight was a private prison. :roll: :roll:
No matter....no child who runs away from a program or a home should be treated like a criminal. Period. They should instead be treated with compassion since usually runaways, even from programs are running from something that is hurting them."
I dont agree with any form of abuse, but in some cases the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program. Not all kids run because they are being abused by others."
Good lord I hope you don't live near me or have access to children with your fucked-up two bit psycho analysis boring k rap. "Some kids have run away emotionally". That is worth a chuckle. Where did you learn that? I am seriously curious to know how and where you got so dumb. Please tell us. No no, don't run away emotionally, stay here and tell us!
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On 2005-10-19 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 09:41:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Everytime someone copped out someone shoud have asked questions instead of treating the "runaway" like a common criminal. They should have asked every child why, what was so bad that they felt the need to runaway from Straight. They should have given each child the opportunity to tell their side, to report the abuse, to report the mind control, to report the inhume conditions. Every child should have those basic rights to be heard. Then social services agencies and police should have investigated. Damn them for not doing this. Damn them to hell for treating a cop out as if he/she had just escaped from prison. Oh yeah, that's right, Straight was a private prison. :roll: :roll:
No matter....no child who runs away from a program or a home should be treated like a criminal. Period. They should instead be treated with compassion since usually runaways, even from programs are running from something that is hurting them."
I dont agree with any form of abuse, but in some cases the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program. Not all kids run because they are being abused by others."
Good lord I hope you don't live near me or have access to children with your fucked-up two bit psycho analysis boring k rap. "Some kids have run away emotionally". That is worth a chuckle. Where did you learn that? I am seriously curious to know how and where you got so dumb. Please tell us. No no, don't run away emotionally, stay here and tell us!"
My point is that not all kids run away because of an abusive home life, some just run away from conflict. Adults run away too it is not a kid thing.
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On 2005-10-19 10:13:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"There's nothin' new under the sun. Still, i hear ya. Tired of my rantin' 'n' railin'. It's cool...i know...sometimes i jus'... (shakin' my head)...ya know ??"
Yeah, I know. :smile:
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On 2005-10-19 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 09:41:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Everytime someone copped out someone shoud have asked questions instead of treating the "runaway" like a common criminal. They should have asked every child why, what was so bad that they felt the need to runaway from Straight. They should have given each child the opportunity to tell their side, to report the abuse, to report the mind control, to report the inhume conditions. Every child should have those basic rights to be heard. Then social services agencies and police should have investigated. Damn them for not doing this. Damn them to hell for treating a cop out as if he/she had just escaped from prison. Oh yeah, that's right, Straight was a private prison. :rofl:
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On 2005-10-19 10:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 10:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 09:41:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Everytime someone copped out someone shoud have asked questions instead of treating the "runaway" like a common criminal. They should have asked every child why, what was so bad that they felt the need to runaway from Straight. They should have given each child the opportunity to tell their side, to report the abuse, to report the mind control, to report the inhume conditions. Every child should have those basic rights to be heard. Then social services agencies and police should have investigated. Damn them for not doing this. Damn them to hell for treating a cop out as if he/she had just escaped from prison. Oh yeah, that's right, Straight was a private prison. :roll: :roll:
No matter....no child who runs away from a program or a home should be treated like a criminal. Period. They should instead be treated with compassion since usually runaways, even from programs are running from something that is hurting them."
I dont agree with any form of abuse, but in some cases the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program. Not all kids run because they are being abused by others."
Good lord I hope you don't live near me or have access to children with your fucked-up two bit psycho analysis boring k rap. "Some kids have run away emotionally". That is worth a chuckle. Where did you learn that? I am seriously curious to know how and where you got so dumb. Please tell us. No no, don't run away emotionally, stay here and tell us!"
My point is that not all kids run away because of an abusive home life, some just run away from conflict. Adults run away too it is not a kid thing."
Were you in a Str8 program ?? i mean i get your point, but i'm not sensing that you know about Str8.
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All my sirens and whistles and bells went off at this part:
"...the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program."
I would just be so curious to know which program this person works for.
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I ran from myself, (yes I did have problems before Straight :smile:
From family conflict, shrieking voices in the night :evil: my parents wouldn't have wanted to discuss that so the asking why was irrelevant to them.
Next I ran from Straight. I ran from conflict certainly.
They told me that all I am is a pile of crap who hurt and is responsible for all the hurts to every person I ever knew; I don't want to stay and deal with that conflict. I admitted to and became things I hated myself for. When I couldn't run anymore, then I had to sit down and sink in to the fact that I was lower than worthless, I was goddam lucky to be there where they stooped low enough to help me.
They made me see my "true self".
No frieking wonder people have done so horribly after they left there!
Who wants to stay and deal with that conflict?
In either case, no one ever asked me why, they didn't care. They just stuck me back in, easier than dealing with any real problems.
Such a totally base, simple and silly answer: "She's running from herself"
The fourth time I copped out, I was finally allowed to withdraw.
My father would have had me there until I graduated. I know in my heart of hearts that that never would have been allowed to happen.
What would have happenned to me then? Had I not ran away, I would surely be dead or insane by now.
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On 2005-10-19 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
I dont agree with any form of abuse, but in some cases the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program. Not all kids run because they are being abused by others.
Maybe, sometimes. But most of the time, people who need help and are offered it gladly accept it (real helpful help, not your self serving idea of forced behavior mod as being helpful.
But how do you tell the difference between a kid who's making a mistake by running from good care and a kid who's got damned good reasons to want to escape?
What NCL said is true. When we ran from Straight, most people we may have run into or sought out for help would not even entertain the notion that we had good reasons to run. Just like you, Anon, only it was some years ago and the Program was run under a different corporate logo than the ones you're familiar with. Now, of course, Straight, Inc. is infamous. Now the word is out and most people concede that, given the situation we were in, hitchhiking accross the country or just wandering the seedy side of Balto was pretty well justified. We couldn't go to the cops, the cops would only take us back to our parents. We couldn't got to family, our families had been convinced that we were desperate addicts in need of treatment. We had nowhere to turn because people like YOU keep hawking these rediculous broad-brush notions about teenagers as dangerous and deranged animals that must be dominated and controled.
But you'll see. Eventually, the wheels of justice and the court of public opinion will "discover" that the kids who are running from coercive thought reform programs today have good reasons for doing so. I hope your kids and those who you refer to these hellish places can find it in their hearts to forgive you.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
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On 2005-10-19 12:26:00, ex-prisoner wrote:
"All my sirens and whistles and bells went off at this part:
"...the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program."
Yeah, me too. But I think I've acquired the habit of tuning them out in order to be able to tolerate much of the discussion on this topic.
Running away from themselves, huh? Avoiding yourself? Cutting up your arms to deal with the intolerable pain of marijuana withdrawal, huh? (again, anon, sounds rediculous to most people now. Just wait. 20 years from now you'll be ashamed of yourself for believing such obvious bullshit.)
No, I wasn't running away from myself. I was running away from a parent who was a danger to me. I wasn't avoiding myself, I was avoiding other people who treated me badly.
Look, anon, here's a very simple, basic reality check you can do yourself. When the same trouble occures again and again, look to the individuals who have been at the scene of the crime all along. Forget the rediculous notion that you know something about teenagers. Teenagers are individual people. Some are shy, some agressive, some very intelligent and playful, others not so swift and given to a more serious demeanor. Some are honest to a fault, others charismatically desceptive. There is no such thing as The Teenaged Personality®. It doesn't exist. Teenagers are as unique and varied as the rest of us.
So, having taken that myth out of the equation, who seems always to be at the scene of the crime? The kids come and go. Few of them spend more than a year or two mixed up in the industry. It's the adult business owners who repeatedly give the same lame excuses to explain away why one after another after another till we're talking about hundreds or thousands of different individuals have responded in the same ways to THEM.
Yeah, right. They're all stricken w/ the very same nonsensical delusion, running away from what they need the most. Can't possibly be anything wrong with the usual cast of characters from whom they're running, huh?
Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die
-- Malachy McCourt
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On 2005-10-19 13:37:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-10-19 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
I dont agree with any form of abuse, but in some cases the kid is faced with doing some hard work and he/she is actually running away from themselves and needs a little extra time to get to the next level. Some kids have run away emotionally before they enter the program. Not all kids run because they are being abused by others.
Maybe, sometimes. But most of the time, people who need help and are offered it gladly accept it (real helpful help, not your self serving idea of forced behavior mod as being helpful.
But how do you tell the difference between a kid who's making a mistake by running from good care and a kid who's got damned good reasons to want to escape?
What NCL said is true. When we ran from Straight, most people we may have run into or sought out for help would not even entertain the notion that we had good reasons to run. Just like you, Anon, only it was some years ago and the Program was run under a different corporate logo than the ones you're familiar with. Now, of course, Straight, Inc. is infamous. Now the word is out and most people concede that, given the situation we were in, hitchhiking accross the country or just wandering the seedy side of Balto was pretty well justified. We couldn't go to the cops, the cops would only take us back to our parents. We couldn't got to family, our families had been convinced that we were desperate addicts in need of treatment. We had nowhere to turn because people like YOU keep hawking these rediculous broad-brush notions about teenagers as dangerous and deranged animals that must be dominated and controled.
But you'll see. Eventually, the wheels of justice and the court of public opinion will "discover" that the kids who are running from coercive thought reform programs today have good reasons for doing so. I hope your kids and those who you refer to these hellish places can find it in their hearts to forgive you.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
--Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist
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They wont have to forgive me, I never dominated or controled any kids and if someone ran to my house I would listen to their story and take them in. I had a cousin who ran away and ended up getting raped in NYC, as it turned out she ran away because she was addicted to heroin and felt she couldnt talk to her parents about it. I knew them and they would have and did support her, and they handled the problem privately at home. She is fine now and has a family of her own, (she and I argue about programs)
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Str8 was an Orwellian mind control cult that was operated by ringwraiths in the shadows, under the guise of a drug treatment facillity. There was no sign on the front of the commercial building indicating Straight Inc. They didn' want to be seen. They are the perpetrators of countless and grievous crimes against children and minors. Their form of drug treatment was more akin to a mind-rape than some kind of a recovery from drugs. Runnin'away from str8 was survivin'. Survivin' a brutal crime.
Do you know what it's like to be hunted by the law, for bein' a fugitive minor, 'cause your a cop-out from a mind-rape ?? To have to live like a nocturnal animal, for fear of bein' seen by predators ?? To rather suffer the cold and the rain and the hunger, not to mention the despair of that kind of oppression ?? To feel squeezed almost into non-existence ??
Fuck Str8!! Fuck the Law!! :skull: :skull: :skull:
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Straight took so much from us, I can't even begin to tell of it tonight. The list would be too lenghty and overwhelming. I just know they damaged me forever, in every state of being possible. The worst part was not having an advocate or be allowed to speak with an Attorney when I asked to hundreds of times. Even criminals have that right :evil: :evil: :evil:
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We were held against our will in nameless warehouses and made to suffer by authoritarian maniacs. We had no voice to the world. No way to call for help. i remember the feeling well.
Sitting there in group abandoned by parents, kidnapped by a sick cult and unable to communicate with the outside world. Foresaken. Forgotten and keenly alone. Subjected to the insanity. Wonderin' how long you could go. The despair of needin' help and knowin' that there would be none. The thoughts i never shared.
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yea, That was one of the very worst de-humanizing part of it all. We couldn't cry out...They made sure there was no one listening :evil: :evil: :cry:
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On 2005-10-19 10:16:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:
"Personally, I think you should be able to write it as many times as you need to Pirate. Sometimes you just need to say it again, and again, and again, etc....right? Yeah I know....Sometimes we just need to be heard...again. I have no problem with that. ::rainbow:: "
i totally agree.....especially if all of this has been pinned up in your soul for so long...
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On 2005-10-19 19:49:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"We were held against our will in nameless warehouses and made to suffer by authoritarian maniacs. We had no voice to the world. No way to call for help. i remember the feeling well.
Sitting there in group abandoned by parents, kidnapped by a sick cult and unable to communicate with the outside world. Foresaken. Forgotten and keenly alone. Subjected to the insanity. Wonderin' how long you could go. The despair of needin' help and knowin' that there would be none. The thoughts i never shared."
yeah that's the feeling. I dont think ive ever really put it into words but that's it. feeling trapped, powerless, but it's also a feeling of being forgotten about and abandoned.
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[ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2006-02-28 22:09 ]
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Withdraw has the insight of a fly.
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Seeing through so many eyes.. ok, I can handle having the insight. It sure is better than having the insight of "Sybil"
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yeah but did you read Rabbit, Run?
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What happened to That Anon Outlander who presented the opposing view ?? Are you still here ??
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::bump:: ..
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Now the word is out and most people concede that, given the situation we were in, hitchhiking accross the country or just wandering the seedy side of Balto was pretty well justified.
Hey..I never needed justification for wandering the seedy side of Baltimore... :smile: