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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Evan Sussman on October 18, 2005, 11:26:00 AM

Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on October 18, 2005, 11:26:00 AM
HI all, I don't really feel like putting much energy into this, but I did tell everyone that I'd write at least once when I got home. I'm here now, and my opinion of the Sudweeks, and the Whitmore Academy has not changed at all. I had absolutely no harm done to me, and no one else was harmed within the control of Cheryl. Sure, mabye one kid got pissed at another, and started a fight, but these were few, and stopped ASAP. Cheryl never ordered "beatings" or any of the sort. Also, I would personally like to know how everyone here gets such an up to date schedule of the Whitmore Academy's plans.

Anyway, nuff said

-Evan[ This Message was edited by: Evan Sussman on 2005-10-18 08:27 ]
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
Well, Evan when Cheryl Sudweeks reads your posting here, she will know that you followed her directions to a "T" won't she? Hope you will now be mailed your FAKE DIPLOMA for being such a good boy, and stating that you never saw any abuse at Cheryl Sudweeks's directions!

Good luck at home and with whatever future educational plans you may have.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 12:24:00 PM
Evan, you were not aware of the abuse of Joey? You just forgot about Lake Powell last year? Don't "recall" any of THAT? Where were you while all THAT was taking place?
Guess you don't know about Matt and the stairs either?
Were you excused from the many many outrageous GROUPS led by Cheryl Sudweeks where students were humilated, and some got to hear the famous words, "Get him the fuck out of here?"
Suppose you weren't denied any meals at Whitmore, like many of the kids.  For sure: bet Cheryl never spit in YOUR FACE.
Guess all the "happenings at the Parents Weekend on Memorial Day" have just slipped your mind, too huh?  Mark wrestling a student to the ground,-- a Mom removing her child due the the "child being thrown down the stairs incident,"-- a student running away home to California---lots of drinking, and drugs taking place?  Forget all that?
So, from your perspective, Whitmore is just a "fine" place.
Cheryl should be proud of you.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: TheWho on October 18, 2005, 12:51:00 PM
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On 2005-10-18 09:24:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Evan, you were not aware of the abuse of Joey? You just forgot about Lake Powell last year? Don't "recall" any of THAT? Where were you while all THAT was taking place?

Guess you don't know about Matt and the stairs either?

Were you excused from the many many outrageous GROUPS led by Cheryl Sudweeks where students were humilated, and some got to hear the famous words, "Get him the fuck out of here?"

Suppose you weren't denied any meals at Whitmore, like many of the kids.  For sure: bet Cheryl never spit in YOUR FACE.

Guess all the "happenings at the Parents Weekend on Memorial Day" have just slipped your mind, too huh?  Mark wrestling a student to the ground,-- a Mom removing her child due the the "child being thrown down the stairs incident,"-- a student running away home to California---lots of drinking, and drugs taking place?  Forget all that?

So, from your perspective, Whitmore is just a "fine" place.

Cheryl should be proud of you."
Not everyone is a stepford kid programmed to hate everything and attack every post which conflicts with your opinion.  Try to step back and understand what they are saying and why they are saying it.  The only way we learn is to listen to others and their experiences, try to understand why they feel the way they do etc.  You can never grow if you limit your exposure to people who agree with you and shut everyone else out.
The person is not a threat, he is just posting his experience, why would you want him to lie, make-up and ugly story  or change the way he feels just to please YOU?  It doesnt make sense to me what you want.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 12:55:00 PM
Anyone has the right to ask direct questions, when a person, ex-student or not, posts lies about what happened at Whitmore Academy.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: TheWho on October 18, 2005, 01:21:00 PM
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On 2005-10-18 09:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Anyone has the right to ask direct questions, when a person, ex-student or not, posts lies about what happened at Whitmore Academy."
I am the first to agree, that is what this is all about.  If a person is posting what they experienced or what they feel is correct, its not a lie, its reality. To say or expect anything else WOULD be a lie.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 12:36:00 PM
Strange a child who leaves, "graduates" from Whitmore would have an obligation to post on fornits at least once. What's that about?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Gmom on October 19, 2005, 06:03:00 PM
Evan, who wanted you to post on here?  By the way, di you received your diploma before you left?  The reason I am asking is most kids don't graduate at this time of year.  Boarding schools usually have a regular school year similar to public schools.  I would like to know how it works at Whitmore.
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On 2005-10-18 08:26:00, Evan Sussman wrote:

"HI all, I don't really feel like putting much energy into this, but I did tell everyone that I'd write at least once when I got home. I'm here now, and my opinion of the Sudweeks, and the Whitmore Academy has not changed at all. I had absolutely no harm done to me, and no one else was harmed within the control of Cheryl. Sure, mabye one kid got pissed at another, and started a fight, but these were few, and stopped ASAP. Cheryl never ordered "beatings" or any of the sort. Also, I would personally like to know how everyone here gets such an up to date schedule of the Whitmore Academy's plans.



Anyway, nuff said



-Evan[ This Message was edited by: Evan Sussman on 2005-10-18 08:27 ]"
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: samoan_built on October 19, 2005, 11:23:00 PM
evan its nate, stay up dude, dont let what these people say eat away at your resolve, you know whats true in your heart and you have to believe. im so glad that you didnt let the world and its corrupted views bring you down, and i dont care how "brainwashed" they say all this may sound, you cant let the man change your heart.
stay strong, stay up, one love
-nate
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 12:48:00 AM
What does "stay up" and "one love" mean????
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 12:49:00 AM
What "man" might change Evan's heart?

What are you talking about, Nate?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 12:51:00 AM
NATE: you going to "Parents Weekend and Graduation" celebration Nov 18-20th?  See you there?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 10:41:00 AM
many boarding schools do not operate as public schools.  many operate like home schools, doing work thru out the the year including summer.  required credits can be earned by doing work at night, on weekends, at the speed the child is willing to work.  thus, allowing graduation at anytime of the year.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 03:21:00 PM
Don't think that's how Whitmore explains its school schedule and "set up" to Ken Stettler, head of licensing of Utah. Not such a good idea to be presenting that sort of NON-STANDARD Academic Boarding School agenda, would you think?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
I think it is a great idea for kids to work at a pace that fits.  Many kids have dropped out and are behind and can use this as a way to catch up.  When someone is placed there and it's Oct. or November and hasn't done ANY school since the previous year, an online acredited program is a great solution.  Abeka and Keystone curriculum offers that kind of a program.  Students can complete what is typically 9 mos of study in four or five, or 12 to 18 mos.  Depends on the student.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 06:42:00 PM
whitmore isnt even fucking accredited
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Antigen on October 20, 2005, 07:03:00 PM
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On 2005-10-20 14:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think it is a great idea for kids to work at a pace that fits.  Many kids have dropped out and are behind and can use this as a way to catch up.  When someone is placed there and it's Oct. or November and hasn't done ANY school since the previous year, an online acredited program is a great solution.  Abeka and Keystone curriculum offers that kind of a program.  Students can complete what is typically 9 mos of study in four or five, or 12 to 18 mos.  Depends on the student."


Or they can just trott on down to the local library and check out a copy of the GED study guide then test out. Most states let a kid test out as soon as they turn 16.

Suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of Congress.  But I repeat myself.
Mark Twain

Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: TheWho on October 20, 2005, 07:25:00 PM
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On 2005-10-20 15:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"whitmore isnt even fucking accredited"
The town next to me lost their acceditation of their high school do to the town out growing the school.  (The school doesnt have enough square footage).  But the teachers are still qualified and the kids are learning, thats the important part.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
The pointIS: the Sudweeks CLAIM that Whitmore Academy is an ACADEMICS ONLY BOARDING SCHOOL, and Mark Sudweeks declared to the Tribune Newspaper reporter that Whitmore is "out of the teen help business." Therefore--academics should be the ONE AND ONLY priority at Whitmore! Academic learning should be the ONLY thing taking place at ole Whitmore.

There should be no therapy... no little Cheryl-led marathon Group Sessions...JUST ACADEMIC LEARNING!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 08:43:00 PM
2nd POINT: Just what are these parents paying approximately $4,000 a month for their kid to be DOING at Whitmore if Academics is not a priority? SURELY not paying for any therapy. So, $4,000 per month should be paying for some heck of an education!

You'd think at those "tuition fees" there could be a few certified teachers throw into the mix too. NOT SO at Whitmore.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 08:11:00 PM
These parents should have their kids at home, get them some good therapy, and since formal education doesn't seem to be a priority, do as Ginger suggests, and have them take the GED.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2005, 11:32:00 PM
Whatever Nate is saying really makes little sense.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on October 24, 2005, 04:15:00 AM
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On 2005-10-19 15:03:00, Gmom wrote:

"Evan, who wanted you to post on here?  By the way, di you received your diploma before you left?  The reason I am asking is most kids don't graduate at this time of year.  Boarding schools usually have a regular school year similar to public schools.  I would like to know how it works at Whitmore.


no, I did not get my diploma. i still have four credits before I can get it
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on October 24, 2005, 04:20:00 AM
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On 2005-10-20 15:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"whitmore isnt even fucking accredited"

I keep seeing people write something of this sort. they are. here is proof. http://www.boisestate.edu/naas/documents/pdf/School.pdf (http://www.boisestate.edu/naas/documents/pdf/School.pdf)
that is from the website of the Northwest Association of Accredited Schools. Most private schools in that area are accredited through them.(NAAS)

-Evan

p.s. look at the bottom under "W"
EDITED BY EVAN SUSSMAN[ This Message was edited by: Evan Sussman on 2005-10-24 01:20 ]
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on October 24, 2005, 04:25:00 AM
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On 2005-10-20 17:43:00, Anonymous wrote:

"2nd POINT: Just what are these parents paying approximately $4,000 a month for their kid to be DOING at Whitmore if Academics is not a priority? SURELY not paying for any therapy. So, $4,000 per month should be paying for some heck of an education!



You'd think at those "tuition fees" there could be a few certified teachers throw into the mix too. NOT SO at Whitmore. "


just so you know, that is not an unreasonable price in comparison. Some boarding schools are upwards of fifty thousand a year. Wasatch Academy is around $32,000 a year, less but still in the same range. http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/sch ... ool_id/156 (http://www.boardingschoolreview.com/school_ov/school_id/156)

P.S. The Whitmore Academy does emply certified teachers. the science teacher is also employed at a local public school, as is the math teacher. the social studies and english teacher is also certified, but I don't think she is employed anywhere else, to my knowledge.[ This Message was edited by: Evan Sussman on 2005-10-24 01:27 ]
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 06:58:00 AM
NAAS is the same organization that "accredits" WWASP "schools". It has been proven to be completely bogus. All a school needs to do to get accreditation from NAAS is to pay them. Go read through the articles about what's been happening at Ivy Ridge-- another "school" accredited by NAAS. The state has proven that accreditation by NAAS isn't real accreditation, and now Ivy Ridge has to compensate all the kids whose education has been harmed by the phony accreditation scheme practiced by NAAS.
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Post by: TheWho on October 24, 2005, 12:07:00 PM
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On 2005-10-24 03:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"NAAS is the same organization that "accredits" WWASP "schools". It has been proven to be completely bogus. All a school needs to do to get accreditation from NAAS is to pay them. Go read through the articles about what's been happening at Ivy Ridge-- another "school" accredited by NAAS. The state has proven that accreditation by NAAS isn't real accreditation, and now Ivy Ridge has to compensate all the kids whose education has been harmed by the phony accreditation scheme practiced by NAAS. "
Thats why if I owned a school I wouldnt try to get accredited either unless the state forced me to or the parents started pulling their kids out.  You just never know, you jump thru hoops and put changes in place and pay an organization like NAAS to accredit you and look what happens, you get ripped off and the school has to pay off all the kids.  The school will have to raise their tuition for future kids to help offset their loss do to NAAS.  Sounds like they need better guide lines in that state
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 01:16:00 PM
Check with The Utah Office of Education. Whitmore accreditation is in the "candicacy" status." That is a far cry from being accredited as a private school.
Also, the status of whether or not Whitmore is actuallly an "academics only boarding school," is still being investigated.
Just re-naming thearapy does not work.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 02:26:00 PM
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On 2005-10-24 09:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-24 03:58:00, Anonymous wrote:


"NAAS is the same organization that "accredits" WWASP "schools". It has been proven to be completely bogus. All a school needs to do to get accreditation from NAAS is to pay them. Go read through the articles about what's been happening at Ivy Ridge-- another "school" accredited by NAAS. The state has proven that accreditation by NAAS isn't real accreditation, and now Ivy Ridge has to compensate all the kids whose education has been harmed by the phony accreditation scheme practiced by NAAS. "

Thats why if I owned a school I wouldnt try to get accredited either unless the state forced me to or the parents started pulling their kids out.  You just never know, you jump thru hoops and put changes in place and pay an organization like NAAS to accredit you and look what happens, you get ripped off and the school has to pay off all the kids.  The school will have to raise their tuition for future kids to help offset their loss do to NAAS.  Sounds like they need better guide lines in that state"


Sounds a little more like that "school" should have researched the accreditation process. In WWASP's case, they know perfectly well what they're doing. They know no real accreditation board would accredit their "teach yourself out of a book" program. I believe it's the same for Whitmore, and many other teen warehousing facilities.

See, if Whitmore really wanted to offer a decent educational program for the kids, they would turn to a real regional accreditation board and research what they need to do in order to get their accreditation. But they didn't. Instead, they turned to NAAS, an organization that accredits anyone who can pay for it.

NAAS didn't rip off these "school". It was the "schools" that ripped off the parents by pretending they were accredited.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
Yeah, and check the "STAFF" page of the Whitmore website.....
Cheryl Sudweeks(DANCE) and Mark Sudweeks (AVIATION) listed at "teachers."...NOT CERTIFIED TEACHERS.

Their daughters are listed as "teachers" and are NOT CERTIFIED TEACHERS: Trinity, Shayla, Laysea, and Darlene (Sudweeks claim they adopted her, but didn't).
Shayla and Darlene live in distant cities.

Then, of course, there's the Karate "teacher" BEN, and the "woodshop" teacher, VERNE.

Then there's Mark's elderly mother listed.

Didn't see any pictures, names of any Science, Math teachers!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 03:16:00 PM
Someone once posted "NAAS would accredit a School of Fish, if the fish could write a check for $150" sure thought that was funny!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 04:15:00 PM
Evan never did answer and say WHO told him to post here, did he?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on November 17, 2005, 04:16:00 AM
no one told me to post here. I just had posted a while back when I was still at the Whitmore, and said I would post when I got home, because people were quesitoning if I would have a different opinion when I got home.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2005, 04:34:00 PM
You know why the Sudweeks are selling the mansion, their horses, planes? They closing down the Whitmore Academy?
You know how many of the 14 kids are "graduating" this weekend?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on November 17, 2005, 11:59:00 PM
Must be 10 graduating...if someone is quoting there are only 4 kids enrolled there now. Not a big number for GROUP GROUP GROUP, is it?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 12:01:00 AM
only 4? That's like individual therapy isn't it?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2005, 10:29:00 AM
Which set of 4 Kool-Aid drinking parents still don't get it?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on December 29, 2005, 09:43:00 PM
yay nate and evan r in this whoo hooo!!!! YOU GUYS STAY UP I LOVE U 2! AND FOR PEOPLE MAKING UP LIES ABOUT THE WHITMORE...... SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASSES BITCHES!!!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2005, 11:11:00 PM
Another well-educated, well-spoken ex-Whitmore "student" surfaces.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Tha Truth on December 31, 2005, 02:05:00 PM
Oh Lord, ok this is a little delayed (I'm responding to a comment about 2 pages ago)But someone is really grasping at straws here...have you seriously never heard someone refer to "the man"? Nate's making perfect sense. It refers to the things/people in control. "The Man" is the one that makes sure there's a big chunk out of your check for benefits you don't get. "The Man" is the one that controls society and it's view of the population (i.e. the Aryan ideal). "The Man" is what keeps you from getting the job you wanted because of your skin color. "The Man" is who makes sure that just enough things go wrong in your life so you're always dissatisfied (i.e. "The Man's tryna bring me down") Basically he's a meddling & controlling little sumbtich who's got one finger in everyone's business.  Referring to the Man is a way of blaming your problems or misfortunes on something concrete. I think what Nate was referring to was the general opinion at fornits. He was basically telling Evan, "Just cause everyone else says so, doesn't mean you should." Don't let society sway you if you believe what you're doing is right. Now, I do not share the same opinion of the Whitmore as Nate and Evan (I think I made that clear w/ earlier posts), but Nate was a very close friend of mine and it's ridiculous that people pick his comments apart in this way simply because they have no rebuttal. As for the phrases "stay up" & "one love"...seriously, you've never listened to Marley? Or Pac? Stay up = Keep your head up, stay strong, etc. One Love = there is no me or you, just us. It's a connection that helps us (you guessed it) STAY UP. Grrrr. It's not that complicated people. Peace.
~Ani[ This Message was edited by: Tha Truth on 2005-12-31 11:10 ]
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Post by: Troll Control on December 31, 2005, 02:45:00 PM
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On 2005-12-31 11:05:00, Tha Truth wrote:

"Oh Lord, ok this is a little delayed (I'm responding to a comment about 2 pages ago)But someone is really grasping at straws here...have you seriously never heard someone refer to "the man"? Nate's making perfect sense. It refers to the things/people in control. "The Man" is the one that makes sure there's a big chunk out of your check for benefits you don't get. "The Man" is the one that controls society and it's view of the population (i.e. the Aryan ideal). "The Man" is what keeps you from getting the job you wanted because of your skin color. "The Man" is who makes sure that just enough things go wrong in your life so you're always dissatisfied (i.e. "The Man's tryna bring me down") Basically he's a meddling & controlling little sumbtich who's got one finger in everyone's business.  Referring to the Man is a way of blaming your problems or misfortunes on something concrete. I think what Nate was referring to was the general opinion at fornits. He was basically telling Evan, "Just cause everyone else says so, doesn't mean you should." Don't let society sway you if you believe what you're doing is right. Now, I do not share the same opinion of the Whitmore as Nate and Evan (I think I made that clear w/ earlier posts), but Nate was a very close friend of mine and it's ridiculous that people pick his comments apart in this way simply because they have no rebuttal. As for the phrases "stay up" & "one love"...seriously, you've never listened to Marley? Or Pac? Stay up = Keep your head up, stay strong, etc. One Love = there is no me or you, just us. It's a connection that helps us (you guessed it) STAY UP. Grrrr. It's not that complicated people. Peace.

~Ani[ This Message was edited by: Tha Truth on 2005-12-31 11:10 ]"


Thanks.  Can you explain the true meaning of the "Shove it up your asses bitches" part?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on December 31, 2005, 09:18:00 PM
damn anni I didnt even look at the name and i knew it was you.... maybe cuz u used the word rebuttle or whatever
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 12:53:00 AM
dang caitlyn, saw all those cuss words and knew it was you, too!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 10:33:00 PM
hey who are u my email is robert_moore_69@yahoo.com
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2006, 10:41:00 PM
hey who is this
what is your name
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Post by: Antigen on January 02, 2006, 02:52:00 PM
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On 2005-12-31 11:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-12-31 11:05:00, Tha Truth wrote:

Basically he's a meddling & controlling little sumbtich who's got one finger in everyone's business.
~Ani



Thanks.  Can you explain the true meaning of the "Shove it up your asses bitches" part? "


I think that one's pretty clear all by itself. Can you explain UFIA? I can  :rofl:

All penalties for drug users should be dropped...Making drug abuse a crime is useless and even dangerous...Every year we seize more and more drugs but the quantity available still increases...Police are losing the drug battle worldwide.


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Post by: Tha Truth on January 03, 2006, 03:40:00 PM
Oh wow Antigen...I'm laughing my ass off right now. You know you ain't right.
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Post by: Tha Truth on January 03, 2006, 03:47:00 PM
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On 2006-01-01 19:41:00, Anonymous wrote:

"hey who is this

what is your name"


what is whose name?
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Post by: Antigen on January 04, 2006, 03:17:00 PM
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On 2006-01-03 12:40:00, Tha Truth wrote:

"Oh wow Antigen...I'm laughing my ass off right now. You know you ain't right."


About what? The definition of UFIA? [blinks]

If TCs were interested in treating substance abuse, half the time they'd tell mom "Sorry ma'am, we can't help him. He's not an addict, he's just an asshole.
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Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 02:58:00 AM
What is the definition of UFIA?
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Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2006, 07:04:00 PM
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ufia (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ufia)
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on January 11, 2006, 08:08:00 PM
Waka waka waka..... Well now... Why is it every time I come on here there are still snide, ignorant comments??? Do people really like to piss one another off to the point of insanity?? Yet why do we let these remarks affect us in such a way? Some people here are so oblivious to what other people are trying to say that they only see it their way and no one else's opinion matters, that is what is wrong with this forum. Now back to the same subject that everyone still chooses to talk about over and over...... The Whitmore...... I will admit that some things there weren't right, but I will state this..... not everything someone does IS right or perfect... If YOU had to send your child to some type of treatment and/or rehabilitation center for problems that YOUR child has then there was something that YOU didn't do right as your child was growing up either. Not everyone is perfect but 99.9% of the teenagers that go to the whitmore end up doing awesome when they go home... I know this one girl that went there AND she turned out better than ever she is now currently a senior in highschool, coaches a little boys soccer team, is holding down 2 jobs, goes to night school, and is working on her drivers lisence. She probably wouldn't even be alive if it wasn't for the Whitmore. So please, if you have something to say about the whitmore then say it in a more pleasant way even if it's not pleasant at all. and for all of you who are going to reply to this and pick apart every little word that I have stated..... don't bother.... because your not worth my time.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 11, 2006, 09:28:00 PM
Little girl, it is certainly obvious what you did not learn at the Whitmore.  When parents pay so-called "professionals" $45,000, they do expect to get what they pay for.  We are not talking about little mistakes, we are talking about purposely lying to make money.  It's call FRAUD.  It is also against the law.
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Post by: Whitmore Alumni on January 12, 2006, 12:22:00 PM
Awww how cute..... A person who apparently thinks they are better than me chooses to disrespect me by calling me a "little girl". Trust me.... my parents made the best decision for me and their investment was well worth it.

You're no better than a bum on the street..... No one is.[ This Message was edited by: Whitmore Alumni on 2006-01-12 09:24 ]
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 03:20:00 PM
Do believe you posted once before that your parents wouldn't even provide you a bed to sleep in. Now you comment on the wise investment they made in your stay at Whitmore? Better get your story straight Whitmore Alumni.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on January 12, 2006, 06:55:00 PM
Yes, they didn't provide a bed for me to sleep in. I deserved that because I wasn't grateful for what I had. Now in the present time im doing well. Some people don't have a room, or a home, or even a family and that... I have.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 09:38:00 PM
How very sad and pitiful. Real program parents.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 12, 2006, 09:41:00 PM
I was just thinking the same thing....in almost the same words.  Alum, I'm so sorry for you.  I hope you're able to find some peace with this once you realize what's been done to you.  I don't mean that as some kind of a slam at all.  I'm truly very sorry.  ::noway::  :cry:
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 13, 2006, 01:01:00 PM
Don't worry I won't take that as a slam at all..... but I don't understand what has been done to me, i dont see n e thing wrong ...I'm fine, and I dont like people feeling bad for me because then I feel like i'm an attention seeker for which this... I am most certainly not
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 17, 2006, 02:30:00 PM
Think these kids don't realize how they are being used?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Antigen on January 18, 2006, 01:53:00 AM
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On 2006-01-11 17:08:00, Whitmore Alumni wrote:

Waka waka waka..... Well now... Why is it every time I come on here there are still snide, ignorant comments???


A better question might be why you still keep coming on here. That's not a slam and it's not intended rhetorically. Just curious to know.

What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson

Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 18, 2006, 09:40:00 PM
Whitmore Alumni always makes reference to things that went on at the Whitmore that "weren't right."  Yet, she cusses posters who discuss valid complaints and issues of abuse. It does make you wonder why she comes back to this forum time and time again to express such views.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 01:38:00 PM
There was no abuse going on at the whitmore. And wonder why leah suddenly turned against cheryl?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 06:37:00 PM
Who are you trying to kid?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:49:00 PM
Seems like you know alot about the whitmore so why dont you say your name? Oh wait people are scared. And tell me which kid did you see get abused?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:51:00 PM
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On 2006-01-20 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Seems like you know alot about the whitmore so why dont you say your name?
"


Why don't you say yours?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:53:00 PM
Well tell me who was abused since I dont know.
Because here you seem to know alot. What are you a whitmore alumni?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:54:00 PM
Nope, just someone who's been following the saga for a while now.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
So then why are you talkn shit ? Dont you have something better to do?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
:grin:
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 08:06:00 PM
Do you know anyone from the whitmore?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 08:12:00 PM
No. I've just been reading and following the whole sordid story.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 08:30:00 PM
well then what do you know about kids being abussed if u werent there?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 09:51:00 PM
Don't you read the newspapers? Lots to read there about the abuse at Whitmore. Also, lots to read here on this forum about the abuse, too. The criminal trial coming up says a lot about the abuse too. Come to the Pre Trial hearing on February 3rd and hear for yourself.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
you dont know what u talkn about!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 20, 2006, 11:56:00 PM
well hello cheryl! tweaking early, huh?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Whitmore Alumni on January 21, 2006, 11:03:00 AM
what newspapers has the whitmore been in?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Troll Control on January 21, 2006, 11:09:00 AM
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On 2006-01-21 08:03:00, Whitmore Alumni wrote:

"what newspapers has the whitmore been in?"


TV:
http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=211898&nid=5 (http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?sid=211898&nid=5)

Newspaper:
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600141350,00.html (http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,600141350,00.html)

http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0605/061505/1.htm (http://www.nephitimesnews.com/0605/061505/1.htm)

There are a ton more.  Just google "Whitmore Nephi abuse" and you'll get a lot of reference materials.  There are too many to list in this post.

Happy reading!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 22, 2006, 12:03:00 AM
caitlyn try a goggle search for the Salt Lake City TRIBUNE newspaper, too. Kristen Stewart has written several articles about Whitmore.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on January 23, 2006, 11:13:00 PM
Just do a google search, that how I read your blog.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 21, 2006, 09:30:00 AM
Evan, have you read these newspaper articles? Assume Caitlyn read them since she stopped posting.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on March 21, 2006, 01:15:00 PM
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On 2006-03-21 06:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Evan, have you read these newspaper articles? Assume Caitlyn read them since she stopped posting."


I have not read any newspaper articles since the first month or so after I left Utah (October, November etc), but at the moment I am on my way out the door to go to work. Maybe if I get really bored, I will take a look.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2006, 09:31:00 AM
Evan-did you finish high school after you got home? you posted you are working 40 hours a week now.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: 001010 on March 22, 2006, 09:40:00 AM
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On 2005-10-24 01:20:00, Evan Sussman wrote:

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On 2005-10-20 15:42:00, Anonymous wrote:



"whitmore isnt even fucking accredited"


I keep seeing people write something of this sort. they are. here is proof. http://www.boisestate.edu/naas/documents/pdf/School.pdf (http://www.boisestate.edu/naas/documents/pdf/School.pdf)

that is from the website of the Northwest Association of Accredited Schools. Most private schools in that area are accredited through them.(NAAS)



-Evan



p.s. look at the bottom under "W"

EDITED BY EVAN SUSSMAN[ This Message was edited by: Evan Sussman on 2005-10-24 01:20 ]"


Same accreditation as the WWASPS schools.

Hmmm...  :eek:

Those are obtained with money, not qualifications.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2006, 09:47:00 AM
Think the Suds have bigger problems than "accreditation" for the 3 remaining students they have at Whitmore. The Suds are housing these kids at the BOYS HOUSE location, and understand this location is not even zoned or licensed by the City of Nephi for a group home or school. Seems the Suds just can't follow the rules in that little Utah town.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2006, 10:00:00 PM
Why don't some of those lawyers of the Sudweeks make these people obey?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on March 23, 2006, 04:58:00 PM
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On 2006-03-22 06:31:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Evan-did you finish high school after you got home? you posted you are working 40 hours a week now."


I did, shortly after I returned. I got my diploma.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 23, 2006, 05:46:00 PM
You were at Whit for 14 months? Why didn't you just get one of those nice "forged diplomas" like all the other kids came home with?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on March 25, 2006, 10:58:00 PM
In reply to the anon above me, this is a previously talked about topic, and I see no reason to put my enery into explaining the facts again. Just read back a few pages if I am correct.

It was personally time for me to go home after the 14 months I spent there. It was time for me to move on. I still plan to visit there this coming summer. I didn't feel like spending the few more months it would've take to finish off the four credits I required.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2006, 06:53:00 PM
I heard they had those children down in mexico. thought is might have been for spring break but they've been gone a long long time. strange that someone awaiting a criminal trial can take off out of the country with children isn't it?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
Hey asshole they went down cause they wanted to see my dad's place so shut up dickhole
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 10:06:00 PM
where is your dad's place in mexico? thought the suds had their own little place down there.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2006, 10:08:00 PM
oh, and who are you--the one with the dad with a place in mexico, the one who's speaking so NICELY?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
How bout you shut tha fuck up about mexico. YOu dont know shit about mexico or spending jail time in mexico so fuck off
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 02, 2006, 07:39:00 PM
Oh my, someone seems a bit upset now don't they?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Cheryl_Dah_Queen_of_Mean on April 02, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
IN THE NAME OF JESUS!

I sentence you TO THE SHELF!

TO THE SHELF WITH YOU!

Noo fucking cussing in my little two bit bullshit program you little asshole!

I invented the word fuck, cunt, bitch, slut, whore, motherfucker!

Now you fucking better be a good little asswipe before I don't let you eat dinner at the golden corral.


sighs... I'm lonely... where is Steve when you need him.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 02, 2006, 10:30:00 PM
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On 2006-04-02 15:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"How bout you shut tha fuck up about mexico. YOu dont know shit about mexico or spending jail time in mexico so fuck off"


Man, I like Mexico. The place fuckin' owns!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 03, 2006, 12:06:00 AM
1rst of all no one knows shit about mexico. 2 No one really thinks cheryl tha queen of mean is cheryl herself. of course not shes not. Shit heads :lol:
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 03, 2006, 08:50:00 PM
Dude, she doesn't even post on here. I don't even think she looks at the damn thing anymore. Honestly it's getting pretty stupid. Only reason I post is drunken amusement... you fuckers make me giggle. :lol:
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
Dust'n would it be possible for you to write one complete sentence without profantity? at all?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2006, 09:01:00 PM
Fuck no it's not! Fuckity fuck fuck fuck. Go fuck yourself if you don't like it, fucker!


FUCK! :tup:
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 04, 2006, 09:03:00 PM
Fuckin' bollocks. Yeah that was me... fuck.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2006, 12:22:00 AM
I believe that sentence said:

No, it is not. Go, if you didn't like it.

There you go young, man.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 05, 2006, 09:23:00 PM
Dustn---you have posted several times. It appears that you have made whatever point you wanted to make with all the cussing.
What is it you want to say about Whitmore Academy. You must have a reason for being here.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 08, 2006, 09:33:00 PM
I'm just sayin' that place fuckin' rocks... and a lot of the shit on here is bullshit. Not all of it, but a lot of it. I'm merely correcting errors is all!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2006, 12:45:00 AM
What part is not bullshit?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 09, 2006, 05:47:00 PM
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On 2006-04-08 21:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What part is not bullshit?"


Dude, I'm correcting the stories when I see them posted. Just read my shit and you'll get the fuckin' point!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 09, 2006, 09:53:00 PM
Why did you quit posting as Evan?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on April 10, 2006, 05:19:00 AM
Why did who quit posting as Evan? I just haven't been on here for a while.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Evan Sussman on April 10, 2006, 05:19:00 AM
Shoot, just realized my sig says I'm still at the Whitmore, sorry if that confused anyone.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 11, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
Yeah, kinda confused me. I was like whoa, what the fuck, did he go back? Guess not. Rock on, Evan!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 11, 2006, 08:42:00 PM
Sure you are confused, Evan. Like talking to yourself?
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 12, 2006, 01:26:00 AM
Dude, what the fuck? If you must, ask Antigen to compare IPs... fuckin' bollocks! I'm nothing like Evan!
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 12, 2006, 10:54:00 AM
Until Dustn can clean up his language, please do not respond to him.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: dustnbones on April 18, 2006, 11:05:00 PM
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On 2006-04-12 07:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Until Dustn can clean up his language, please do not respond to him."


And this comes from an anonymous poster.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2006, 10:05:00 PM
Dustn, think your little boyfriend is looking for you on the other thread, big boy.
Title: I'm home now, and this is what I say
Post by: god on April 24, 2006, 12:12:00 PM
for those who dont have the religious superstition that prevents them from calling themselves god, its the best therapy of all to believe oneself to be an incarnation of god.  ive lots of different interests & this idea is what holds me together.  in fact the most famous school of hinduism encourages us to accept this idea