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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 03:19:00 PM
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Look, while many people here didn't like their CEDU experience, I loved mine. I made more friends when I was there than I would ever have during high school. I loved the people there and the staff. Yes, they yelled at me but it was all for the best. Shame on you people who are cursing the things you learned there. I miss NWA so much it hurts. I miss the firends and the staff and all the things I learned when I was there. I was addicted to drugs and was very sexually active, but CEDU changed all that. They helped me realize that there is a whole other world out there waiting to be discovered. You all should just shut up and stop saying that it's a bad place. Just because you didn't like it there doesn't mean it was a bad place!
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I agree. Why are so many people trying so hard to forget what happened there?! I too loved my time in Idaho. The propheets and workshops helped me realize who I really was. When I arrived there I was only a shell of a person. I agree with the poster of this topic that we should all embrace the tools we learned there and stop having such harsh feelings about what happened. "The Truth Shall Set You Free" Remember that one people? How 'bout we all stop listening to "I" and start listening to "ME"
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You're both fucked in the head...missing cedu?
Get A Life!
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On 2005-10-11 12:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Look, while many people here didn't like their CEDU experience, I loved mine. I made more friends when I was there than I would ever have during high school. I loved the people there and the staff. Yes, they yelled at me but it was all for the best. Shame on you people who are cursing the things you learned there. I miss NWA so much it hurts. I miss the firends and the staff and all the things I learned when I was there. I was addicted to drugs and was very sexually active, but CEDU changed all that. They helped me realize that there is a whole other world out there waiting to be discovered. You all should just shut up and stop saying that it's a bad place. Just because you didn't like it there doesn't mean it was a bad place! "
So basically you're saying it's a good thing you don't get laid anymore thanks to CEDU? Hey, whatever floats your boat.
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I'm not trying to be negative here. I'm trying to say that if people open their hearts and eyes they'll realize that CEDU and whatever respective school they went to was a structuraly sound institution. They had very loving and caring people there. My life is on track now because of CEDU. To say that I don't get laid anymore is false. Cedu taught me how to manage my relationships and not to sleep around with whatever pussy came around. I know how to maintain a healthy relationship now and how to maintain my own self respect and self control. If there are people out there who think this is a bad thing, well then shame on you. Just because you didn't get all Cedu had to offer does not mean they didn't have anything to offer.
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The only thing structurally sound about cedu were the buildings. That's because they weren't original to cedu.
As for a loving institution....I have a hard time saying that yelling in my face 2-3 hours at a shot, 2-3 times per week about things that simply weren't true was loving. Restricting my world to some cultish belief system was hardly loving.
If you want to argue loving...let's argue self-loving. The narcisistic tendencies of long-term staff and the love of money. Tens of thousands of dollars from our parents. Many of whom had to take out second mortgages on their houses. Then they got to see their children kill themselves in the years following cedu because they couldn't adjust to the real world.
Yeah.....structurally sound. And loving....uh huh. Sure....
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Hey, people needed to be yelled at. Some of the kids there, along with myself, needed to get a rude awakening. They needed to get yelled at, hell some of them deserved a swift ass kicking. But You can't blame the failures of the kids on CEDU. They were there to help, not to hurt. Believe me if they were there to hurt, you would have known. I'm just sick of people shit talking such a wonderful institution. Expensive, yes. Controversial, yes. Destructive, NO! Everyone there had the best intentions. They might not always have been the best methods, but nothing is perfect. Don't blame the parents on the failures of the kids. I know for a fact that some of the kids I went there with would surely have died if they didn't go there. Some of them would have made it ok, I'll give you that. Some didn't need to be there but some really REALLY did. Cedu provided a structured environment for natural growth. Not growth stunted by drugs of sex or violence. Perhaps there was the occasional over stepping of boundries but all in all Cedu was not a bad place. You know I'm right.
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Everyone there had the best intentions? Seeing as how CEDU was the #1 employer in that entire area, I'm gonna go ahead and say that most of the people who worked their just needed a fucking job.
So either you're joking, which I thought at first and no longer do, or you're just naive. But either way, you're an idiot. Glad you enjoyed eating staff's dick in the summit. I remember we had a term for faggets like you at BCA - "look good piece of shit".
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On 2005-10-11 12:23:00, swingaway wrote:
"I agree. Why are so many people trying so hard to forget what happened there?! I too loved my time in Idaho. The propheets and workshops helped me realize who I really was. When I arrived there I was only a shell of a person. I agree with the poster of this topic that we should all embrace the tools we learned there and stop having such harsh feelings about what happened. "The Truth Shall Set You Free" Remember that one people? How 'bout we all stop listening to "I" and start listening to "ME""
There's a guy, his handle is TheSummitGives, who already pulled this joke. He was fuckin' hilarious. You just sound like a dumbass chump. And I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the first anonymous post that started this thread was actually you. Why would someone post twice and pretend someone is agreeing with them? Well, again, you're a dumb fucking chump. Bitch.
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On 2005-10-11 13:10:00, swingaway wrote:
Cedu taught me how to manage my relationships and not to sleep around with whatever pussy came around. "
And by the way, you're a dude?? You sound like a fucking chick. Definitely a typical CEDU look good sack of shit.
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Why is it that anyone who says anything pro-cedu sounds like they are joking?
Also, if they are serious, what's with this whole "shame on you" crap? I'm not shaming you guys for having a differing opinion, so don't shame me. I don't say "fuck you" or flame program supporters, or any of that shit.
Not like I reallly care, anyway, but it's a little ridiculous.
But I for one think you're joking.
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That's why I think "they" (he) are (is) joking. Shame on you? That just sounds like some bullshit a team leader would've said to someone who just got caught with dirty piss or something. Absurd.
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CEDU structurally sound? Loving? Loved ass kissers, sure.
The fact kids got yelled at is not the issue. The fact that kids were bullied, coerced, humiliated, sexually exploited, and mindfucked is the issue. Why do most pro Cedu people make it sound as if complainers are just whining because they got a little time out?
CEDU advertised falsely, both the quality of the academics AND the therapeutic ethics. There are no therapeutic ethics when staff are poorly accredited and have no boundaries as far as where there shit begins and ours' end. Do you know how many false confessions they beat into people? There was ZERO individuated therapy for kids with issues such as depression or anxiety. Unless you think emotionally castrating them is helpful. Or just filling them up with horse tranks will keep them compliant.
There were ZERO tools given that actually work in the real world. Every propheet was nothing but a set of highly contrived, manipulative atmospheric mind fucking experentials designed to give a heightened sense of false awareness. No impressionable kid should be subjected to that bullshit.
You think sitting around in a rap room filled with bullies who get their rocks off making people feel bad and distorting their stories is beneficial? How about retraumatizing people who have been raped by calling them a slut? How about forcing young girls to recount trauma in front of staff who have copped out to raping? Why is it necessary for a guy to be publicly humilaited about his dick size in front of 100 people? Why should a black girl be called repeatedly a nigger?
You know, I'm a big cry baby, but I don't think I shed an authentic tear in that place and do you know why? Because every fucking story was exploited or distorted to the extent I didn't even recognize it, and every emotion was just pummeled to death out of you. There were very few raps that had anything resembling truth, and if I were a better actor than I am, I probably would have stayed. But a big part of the reason I split was because I realized after my Truth propheet, "holy crap. I can't fake this shit. I better get the hell outta here."
Yeah, lots of kids had real issues but most of their real, individual issues were not REALLY dealt with in the isolated, cultic Whackville land that was CEDU. Their parents paid mucho dinero to park them in a group home with a nice brochure.
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So CEDU is such a beautiful, euphoric, utopian, "structurally sound" existence?
I just read this recent post under the 'grow up already' thread.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... =10#140110 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=12220&forum=11&start=10#140110)
Can you please tell me what is so beneficial and life-saving about an experience like that? Sounds like something only an under-qualified, over-worked staff member who can't check his personal baggage at the door is capable of.
Please step into reality. [ This Message was edited by: providence on 2005-10-11 21:35 ]
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Around here, you've got your "sheep" who love the program and think all those beautiful tools, and workshops, and experiences changed their lives and saved them from a miserable existence. Then you've got your people who despise CEDU and everything it stands for, and think it was nothing but a corrupt, mind fucking, brainwashing experience.
Well I'm here to tell you that you both went about it all wrong. Should've taken the third path: simply not giving a fuck. I really don't think CEDU was that big of a deal. Brainwashing? At a cushy place like CEDU, you can only LET yourself get brainwashed. Maybe you guys are just using that word out of its correct context or something, but I certainly didn't feel like I was at risk to get brainwashed at any point while I was there.
What was the worst they could do to you??? Yea, I agree, they tried to shove their program down your throat, and were sneaky and manipulative with your parents, and that all those schools just sucked in general. But I went to normal high school for a year and a half, and I remember thinking how much THAT sucked too.
But honestly, if you told them to shove their ridiculous "program" up their asses, what could they really do to you. Work assignments?? I loved work assignments. I would've rather done work assignments any day than those bullshit finger painting activities that were the alternative. Good for the heart! Restrictions? Sit me at a table or stick me in a room all night. I could care less. We were all stuck in that stupid little bubble of a campus anyways. Oh man, a jumpsuit? God forbid I can't wear my wranglers or whatever commissary clothes I "earned" after moving up to Quest. I'll take a jumpsuit any day.
Oh ok, they'll send you to Ascent. I loved Ascent. They sent me there twice, making three times in total, and I loved it every time. The food always tasted good there, course was such a nice break from all that Boulder Creek bullshit, so on and so forth. When the escorts came to campus and told me I was going camping, they didn't even have to ask me twice to get in that van. I did it with a smile.
So I spent 13 of my 28 months as a voyager. Who cares? I certainly wasn't going to turn into some fake little look-good just so I could earn my caffeine privilege. Or my "wearing black" privilege. And once I did actually move up (after my I Want to Live to be exact), they were so happy I finally did it, and I really didn't even want to in the first place, that they started sending me on all those sweet trips like CAT Ski Trip and Salmon River, etc.
Workshops? How can you guys really complain that those mind fucked you. They were such a joke. How about that Imagine? Where they sat there and tried to fuck with your head and deprive you of sleep for hours upon hours. Busting out popcorn and saying they were watching you play your roles. What a joke. The I & Me? Ha! How about that shit where they made you run in place until you would go sit by the wall and yell at the floor. "WAAAAAH! I TELL MYSELF I'M A DIRTY SLUT!!" I must've run a damn marathon in place. I remember being the only one still running, and laughing my ass off at all those chumps sitting on the side telling the floor all about how they smoke too much crack. Eventually they started making me do push ups, and then back to the running, before I just passed out from dehydration.
I did 19 restrictions, 11 of which were full-times, 3 of which were jumpsuits. I was safe-housed 4 times, went to Ascent twice (and once more before even arriving at Boulder Creek). I was having more than enough sex, had a steady weed hook up, and probably did more work assignments than half the people on these forums combined. And in the end? I can't remember a single "tool", "rap direction", "writing assignment", or any of that shit they tried to force on me. I had a blast at Boulder Creek. Y'all should've tried to do the same.
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Maybe your Idaho experience was tamer than CEDU RS. I personally enjoyed the wilderness, the work assignments, the manual labor, and even the writing assignments. I still think the school was a waste of time and money, did nothing productive, and at least at CEDU RS, totally verbally, emotionally, and psychologically abusive. Academically fraudulent,and very damaging, especially to some people I know who have anxiety, bipolar, depression, ODD etc and needed very specific help.
So I disagree with the who gives a fuck? attitude. I had that same outlook when I first left but being older and a grad student of ed made me rethink CEDU a lot. I want kids getting real help.
Also, as far as all the sex and dope you scored--let me tell ya, that did not happen at CEDU during my tenure. That place was so tightly wired with bullies and snitches and so inculcated with the CEDU moral values, it rarely happened. And while I myself am not a smoker, I sure as hell wish the staff availed themselves to the mellowing effects of marijuana on a regular basis.
In any case, it is no wonder the first thing many kids did when they left--whether they graduated or split-- was get laid. In fact, there are more than a few students who fucked staff right after graduating. After all, some of us were already sitting on their laps, getting our asses pinched by them, and having them describe to us how our tight pants gave everyone boners.
All that suppression of normal sex drives, even flirting with our own peers for God's sake, is NOT a healthy thing.
I'll tell you one thing: CEDU is the LAST place I would send my kids to learn interpersonal relations.
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I've been out for awhile, and actually, my attitude has changed in the exact opposite direction of yours, Shanlea. At first I thought that maybe I had cheated myself (not by not giving myself in to the program...hell no! I mean for not coming to terms with the fact that maybe I had been psychologically abused), but I drifted well away from that and am very content with my "I didn't give a fuck then, and I still don't give a fuck about it now" attitude.
I do agree that people were being abused in those schools. But what I'm saying is that it didn't have to be that way. I knew that whether I went along with the program or told them to go fuck themselves, I'd still be a freshmen in college eventually. The people who got abused mentally, well they set themselves up for it. They gave staff all the ammunition they needed. They got into the program, "ran their shit and came clean", etc, etc, and that was all the staff needed to get in their heads. Me? They couldn't read me, and I wouldn't let them, and believe me, that killed them. Sure, I did plenty of restrictions, and countless more programs because I wouldn't get real. I was held back from my Peer Group's Brothers, I Want to Live, and I & Me. It would've taken me 32 months to graduate the program if I hadn't just left after the I & Me. But I still wouldn't let them get inside my god damn head, and from what I've read around here, it was worth it!
As for the academics? Yeah, they were a joke. I struggled through quite a few of my early undergraduate classes. I had to teach myself all the pre-requisites to Calculus so I could take that and get a good grade. I had to break out the books and learn all the things about history and our government that CEDU neglected to teach just so I could pass Poli Sci. But in the end, the strong shall overcome, and I passed those classes with flying colors.
Half the kids who were at CEDU weren't going to bother going to college anyways. Some of them didn't have a prayer of going to a halfway decent school. So why would academics matter to them? And to those, like me, who did place a huge importance on a good education and going to a good university? Well, the academics were weak in general, but I can remember 3 teachers at BCA (Jeff Welp, Val Davis, and Jim Hooper for those who were there) that were excellent teachers. Val's English classes were better than English clases at most normal High Schools. Jim Hooper was a genius and knew about just about anything related to Science, and if you wanted to know it, he would teach it. And if that wasn't enough, which obviously it wasn't, John Kastelic, the librarian, was a brilliant man with a passion for teaching. I spent countless hours in the library, the only place other than my restrictions I was allowed to go most of the time, just learning about various things. Literature, humanities, languages, you name it. But most of the kids at BCA would rather just sit and bitch about how much the academics sucked than actually doing something about it.
Not to mention the fact that there's always a little something something called post graduate school.
So you say BCA was tamer? Well, I can't say whether that was true or not, but as for being tight wired with bullies and snitches? Of course we had that! I'd say 75% of the kids there would've snitched in a heartbeat. It happened to me plenty of times. I got snitched on for brewing alcohol, I got snitched on for smoking, and I got snitched on for having sex. The latter two represented my final two trips to Ascent. But for the few things I got caught doing, I got away with much more. Getting weed on campus was a rarity for most kids. But from my first day on campus I was busy figuring out all the angles. I wasn't one of the stupid kids that asked the pizza delivery guys for weed. I wasn't one of the stupid kids that went looking for it on town trips. Nor did I try to sneak it back from home visits. No, I gradually buttered up a staff member. Not a program staff; kitchen staff! We spent dorm time after dorm time (4-5 pm) down in that kitchen making friends with her. And after a few months, we had our hook up. It wasn't that difficult. But most kids just didn't have the patience to pull it off.
But I do agree with your take on the sexual relations and interpersonal relations. Yes, even during my time, it was very difficult to pull it off. It was the # 1 thing people got busted for. I don't think too many kids were getting laid there. In fact, a good percentage of them were virgins in the first place, and who wanted to lose their virginity at CEDU? You had to plan that shit out, make sure the right staff were working, have look outs that you had complete trust in, have a healthy stash of protection (god knows what some of those girls had), etc, etc. But like I said, I managed to pull it off (all but one time), and oh man did it make my stay easier.
But yeah, their oppression of normal teenage flirting was extremely unhealthy. The fact that they made so much as checking the opposite sex out such a taboo was just not normal. I understand that there were girls there who had serious problems with sexual relations, but for the rest of us, and even for them to a certain degree, not letting us explore our desires was just sick. I found myself having a lot of trouble in relationships after CEDU, and not until I found someone who had knowledge of my experiences in Idaho could I get over it.
CEDU is definitely the last place I would send my kids to learn interpersonal relations.
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Oh, and god knows what some of those guys had, too. Didn't want that to seem sexist.
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On 2005-10-11 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-11 13:10:00, swingaway wrote:
Cedu taught me how to manage my relationships and not to sleep around with whatever pussy came around. "
And by the way, you're a dude?? You sound like a fucking chick. Definitely a typical CEDU look good sack of shit. "
haha you dissed someone for liking cedu while using the lingo. :rofl:
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I hear what you are saying, and we seem to agree on points. However, I still believe that an abusive environment at a critical age of development is immoral/unethical. I know some people who have PTSD 10 years later. Others from CEDU and other TBSs talk to their partners/ friends/and family the way they were taught to "communicate" in a rap. Believe me, this does not bode well for relationships.
Also, you seem to indicate you were mentally stronger than others, so it didn't invade your psyche on long term detrimental basis. Very Darwinian. The point is that people who were not as savvy, or mentally strong deserved to be in an environment that edified their self esteem rather than demolish it.
More importantly, I just want parents to be more savvy about placing their kids in these environments. I know for a fact that my Dad would never have sent me there if he was aware of the methodology employed by the school. (Or the lack of accreditation, efficacy, academic integrity etc.)
I didn't come to this site until last year, and prior to that, I never discussed this experience with anyone. But when I came to Fornits on a weird whim, everything I felt but never articulated was validated. When I started to read some of the other sites, I was outraged. Part of it was I came at a time when I was studying education in grad school, and part of it was the volunteer work I used to do for different youth groups. I want kids to be helped in a very real, edifying manner.
Last year, when I was teaching for the first time, I saw first hand that it really doesn't take a whole hell of a lot to reach many of what other teachers labled as lost causes. All it took was genuine interest in the INDIVIDUAL, positive attention, a little creative thinking, and persistence.
I digressed again. But the point is, I argue here because I want kids to be helped in the best possible way--not at an emotional Palookaville.
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Haha, ok, I see your point. And you do make an excellent point about trying to communicate with people like we did in raps. As much as I said fuck it to the program, I did have to sit through 3 of those a weeks. Of course, when the staff would blow their top and start screaming at me about getting real, half the time I'd just leave and go down to the farm and give myself a work assignment. But yea, not being allowed to confront people on anything until you could do it in there, it was a pretty big change having to kick that once I left. Definitely took me a little while. No one wants to be talked to like that.
One thing I find myself still doing is "opening up" when someone starts talking to me in classes where we debate and things like that. It's really frustrating. I automatically open my arms and rest the backs of my hands on my knees. God knows if I'll ever kick that.
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On 2005-10-12 13:26:00, shanlea wrote:
In any case, it is no wonder the first thing many kids did when they left--whether they graduated or split-- was get laid. In fact, there are more than a few students who fucked staff right after graduating. After all, some of us were already sitting on their laps, getting our asses pinched by them, and having them describe to us how our tight pants gave everyone boners.
Fortunately, I was never a subject of any staff molestation or fondling, but that's because I was butt ugly as a teenager, but let me tell you, I was a virgin while I was at RMA, and I got laid shortly after I graduated. It was a total disaster. The sex was good. (For me, anyway. But I'm sure I was average to them.) But it was also my first queer encounter. I had all of this internalized homophobia (that the school added to), so I was a total freak and scared the crap out of this person. I was basically "the trick that wouldn't leave." Very needy. To make matters worse, I made it all like it was their fault, when I wouldn't leave them alone and kept calling them and wondered why they didn't want to hang with me anymore. I didn't have a fucking clue!
I can't blame that all on RMA, though. I was a social retard already, but adding the sexual confusion, plus infatuation, plus my first experience after all of that time not getting any, plus the introduction of all of this bizarre behavior that people in the real world don't do, especially this elitist attitude that norms just "don't get it".
The good thing is, I can totally laugh about all of this now. It really is quite funny. I would hope that if I met up with this person today, we could share a couple of yuks together about how ridiculous the whole situation was.
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You are killing me... You are one humorous and articulate guy.
Anyway, the queer thing was strange too at CEDU. During my time, it was strictly "don't ask, don't tell." I mean on one hand, we were unnaturally barred from the opposite sex, we danced and smooshed with same sex partners...some people copped out to homosexual experiences but it was treated almost as a disclosure but not an orientation.
I remember a few people coppng out to being gay or lesbian and it was as if they said nothing. Like an unofficial code of silence-- staff members just diverted the topic. For once, the topic was not exploited or magnified but brushed under the carpet.
A genuine therapist would work with this aspect of development and at least give the individual a safe place to be open about their orientation. This could not happen at CEDU. I always wondered if it was because they didn't want to rock the boats of the parents who footed the bill. (You know: "Fork over the 56K. By the way, your child is gay.")
Who knows? I wondered if this changed after I went to CEDU.
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On 2005-10-12 19:08:00, shanlea wrote:
"You are killing me... You are one humorous and articulate guy.
Anyway, the queer thing was strange too at CEDU. During my time, it was strictly "don't ask, don't tell." I mean on one hand, we were unnaturally barred from the opposite sex, we danced and smooshed with same sex partners...some people copped out to homosexual experiences but it was treated almost as a disclosure but not an orientation.
I remember a few people coppng out to being gay or lesbian and it was as if they said nothing. Like an unofficial code of silence-- staff members just diverted the topic. For once, the topic was not exploited or magnified but brushed under the carpet.
A genuine therapist would work with this aspect of development and at least give the individual a safe place to be open about their orientation. This could not happen at CEDU. I always wondered if it was because they didn't want to rock the boats of the parents who footed the bill. (You know: "Fork over the 56K. By the way, your child is gay.")
Who knows? I wondered if this changed after I went to CEDU."
I remember hearing that CEDU was a little more lenient about it than RMA was. Kids would whisper to each other, "Did you know at CEDU they actually HAVE gay students there????? They don't talk about it, but they are actually THERE???" At RMA, "nobody" was gay, period. I remember being SCREAMED at in raps by Caroline and Carmen telling me not to walk around naked in the dorms. (Like I did that already? Hello.. just thought I would flash my tackle folks, ain't it pretty?) and not to fuck with "their" kids. (Caroline's favorites.) As if I was a predatory, drooling fox invading the "hen house" or something. (Especially because I made some seedy remarks the first few days I was there. Oh man did that come back to haunt me.) It was downright absurd.
Anyway, I was "straight" within a week. The ex-gay ministries would be proud. Then the minute I got out of school, BAM, homo-fever bit me in the ass. It's like it was waiting for me all that time.
"Okay, we'll just treat RMA as a little detour in your sexuality escapades, but I'll be here when you graduate, miss thing. The minute pachabell's canon is over, *snap*, it's open season, honey."
Technically, though, I consider myself bi. Equal opportunity, you know.
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Sometimes I wish I were bi. Any chance girls are less of a pain in the ass than men? Or is that wishful thinking?
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On 2005-10-12 20:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Sometimes I wish I were bi. Any chance girls are less of a pain in the ass than men? Or is that wishful thinking?"
It depends on what sex you are. Whatever sex is the opposite sex is the more difficult one to deal with, IMO. Hormones give each sex a different set of needs and behaviors and mindsets, and often, they contradict the needs of the other sex, which is why I think that god is a sadist. Either that or he's/she's queer.
But dating your own sex has it's own share of drama, too. Especially when you borrow the other's clothes without asking and don't give them back, thank you very much. :flame:
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Ya know, I think the drama of borrowing clothes is much more manageable than trying to understand your mate if he is male. It's impossible. But that's a whole 'nother forum. God, if I could switch teams, I would!
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On 2005-10-12 20:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ya know, I think the drama of borrowing clothes is much more manageable than trying to understand your mate if he is male. It's impossible. But that's a whole 'nother forum. God, if I could switch teams, I would!"
Well, I was being tongue in cheek. :wink: In all seriousness, relationships are relationships, and they are always a pain in the ass. No matter which team you bat for. (It's just that dykes are better at softball... :razz: )
But that doesn't apply to me anyway. I'm a fag, so I fence.
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Well I'm sure you guys aren't lying, but thats not how it was at all when I was at BCA. There were a whole handful of openly gay guys, even more openly lesbian girls, and then a bunch of bi girls to go on top of that. Maybe it was just because there was a large enough presence of them that they wouldn't let staff/other students ignore them anymore? I dunno, but they were pretty well respected and pretty confident with their sexuality. Sometimes kids would lash out and call them fags or whatever, but staff would absolutely drop the hammer. They wouldn't stand for it at all.
Of course, I was there in 2000-2002, so maybe things just changed over time.
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On 2005-10-13 01:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well I'm sure you guys aren't lying, but thats not how it was at all when I was at BCA. There were a whole handful of openly gay guys, even more openly lesbian girls, and then a bunch of bi girls to go on top of that. Maybe it was just because there was a large enough presence of them that they wouldn't let staff/other students ignore them anymore? I dunno, but they were pretty well respected and pretty confident with their sexuality. Sometimes kids would lash out and call them fags or whatever, but staff would absolutely drop the hammer. They wouldn't stand for it at all.
Of course, I was there in 2000-2002, so maybe things just changed over time. "
Yeah. That's a total 180 from RMA in the 80s. But then again, it was 2002. I would hope that by that time they would have gotten their shit together. A lot happened for gay rights in the 90s. In addition, Brown, Inc. may have had anti-discrimination policies regarding their students that just weren't in place when Wasserman was in charge.
I wonder what the reaction was of 80s RMA/CEDU alumni when they discovered as the 90s started to roll around that their IWTL slogan "silence = death" had been "taken" by ACT UP!? Must have been priceless.
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It is nice to read that the staff at some of the Cedu schools got their acts together where queer folk were concerned. That was one area where the schools always seemed totally fucked up to me. I don?t think that the program was organically homophobic but good Lord, most of the staff was. Being gay, or even having same-sex sexual fantasies, were disclosures when I was there in the early 1990s.
Best, M
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Hello,
If any of you remember Don Beck, the teacher, I thought I would let you guys know that he died last Oct 27 '04. This is John Martin, he was my lover since 1982. While he didn't like some of the cultish wierdness at CEDU, he did love the kids he taught. I was going through our scrapbooks, remembering good things of our life together as the anniversary of his death nears and came across photos of his CEDU years. While he loved teaching the kids there, 2 years of it really burned him out.
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Don the really, really tall guy? Nasty basketball player?
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No Don was 5'8" stocky, after we moved to Huntington Beach CA he/we became muscular gym rats.
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Definitely not the same person. Now that I think of it, I'm thinking of Don Moore. He was 7'2".
Sorry to hear about your loss.
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On 2005-10-20 22:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hello,
If any of you remember Don Beck, the teacher, I thought I would let you guys know that he died last Oct 27 '04. This is John Martin, he was my lover since 1982. While he didn't like some of the cultish wierdness at CEDU, he did love the kids he taught. I was going through our scrapbooks, remembering good things of our life together as the anniversary of his death nears and came across photos of his CEDU years. While he loved teaching the kids there, 2 years of it really burned him out."
He was my lover since 1982...what the fuck is that?! Either get married or move the fuck on like regular people. No wonder he died.
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That has to be the most insensitive disgusting post I've ever seen. Congrats - you win the stupidity award.
Making fun of each other is one thing. But come on, Don was a really nice guy. That you would say something so disgusting and insensitive when his partner comes on to tell us of his passing is just awful.
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I guess that's the glory of the internet. Dumbasses like this can post stupid things like that and get away with it.
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Hey you're right. I can get away with saying things like "Get married. It's not fair to either of you to be together for like 20+ years and not get married. It's no wonder that dude worked at CEDU! What a fucker."
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Again, you idiot, read the post a little more clearly. THEY COULDN'T GET MARRIED.
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OH JESUS! HE WAS GAY! That's even worse. The both of you can die of AIDS and rot in hell. Fuckin' a man, I didn't even realize it. FUCK THAT'S SICK!
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What is your major malfunction buddy? It's your right to dislike gays but to wish death upon them and hope they die of aids is just wrong. You need to take a serious look at yourself in the mirror before you post again. There is something seriously wrong with you.
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On 2005-10-25 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"OH JESUS! HE WAS GAY! That's even worse. The both of you can die of AIDS and rot in hell. Fuckin' a man, I didn't even realize it. FUCK THAT'S SICK!"
You are the biggest loser ever made. The only thing sick this the ideas of people like you.
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On 2005-10-25 08:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"OH JESUS! HE WAS GAY! That's even worse. The both of you can die of AIDS and rot in hell. Fuckin' a man, I didn't even realize it. FUCK THAT'S SICK!"
::troll::
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You talk about protection. What about the girl that had sex with another student at BCA and used a garbage bage as a condom?
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AHAHAHAHA, that's damn funny! Garbage bag for a condom huh? I like it! YES!
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I think it's wonderful that these students still thought of protection in this sexually repressed adn birth control deficient environment.
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I was there for that. Anyone else who was there remembers what that girl was like. Dude needed more than a garbage bag for protection from her.
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Did people really use garbage bags for condoms/protection?! Damn, that's messed up. Funny as HELL! But crazy messed up.
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You have to respect their ingenuity. I mean, what else are you gonna use?
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Yup, I remember both of the kids involved in that famous trashbag incident. Out of respect to the dude, who was a pretty cool guy but just had really shitty, desperate taste in women, I won't name names.
Yeah, that was pretty sharp thinking by him. But seeing as how it was easy to get condoms on campus, it was sorta dumb at the same time. It's like making a pipe out of a coke can when your neighbor's got a 4 foot roor.
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that's damn funny. So this shit actually happened huh? You actually knew the person who did that? Damn! I always heard rumors about that shit, but never actually had any hard evidence that shit like that went down. Crazy.