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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: Kcmoney05 on October 03, 2005, 03:48:00 PM
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I am writing this to say HLA will end soon enough they kicked me out because of all the information I new but fuck it im chillin....Any qquestions or help please respond....
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Are you Max? Where are you?
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My name is Kc who are you
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If anyone is out there please respong I was in Peerr Group 70 and I got expelled because I new the truth curious to here anyone anywhere it is a very abusive and horrible program respong please anyone
MISSION SHUTDOWN
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MAX RUBEN IS THAT WHO YOU ARE Talking of?
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Yo KC wut up this d-ry (dont want to use my real name) i heard you knew everything better try to get that shit shut down
im still here
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They let the students out of the cages to run wild in the streets, you can't miss them they are the ones wearing shirts that say Hidden Lake Academy
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What have you got in mind Overlordd? Anything interesting?
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oh puhlese! overlord isn't going to do anything, he wouldn't want to risk losing his place at north georgia by defacing or attacking another school...colleges frown upon people who do that...and remember, hla is camered and you would be caught...this is a small town...also remember anything you would do would mess it up for the kids there...is that what you want to accomplish...if there are issues at an off campus function they will forgo off campus events. would you like to be the one responsible for that? think about your actions.. and how it will impact the kids there who are trying to make the best of it...plus, you are probably just a punk ass who likes to talk but when it comes down to it, you are just another big mouth with no real plan except to take whatever finances your parents give you to get through school and i know you wouldn't want to do anything to screw that little arrangement up...oh and the ROTC thing...you are nothing comparared to the rangers, retired or not, that are up there...so pack it up little boy and shut the hell up.
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You have lived in Dahlonega for what....2 months now? The school has been in existance for over 11 years. It employs mostly Dahlonega residents. Do you really think that the townspeople don't know anything about the school? Think again.
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Actualy he's right, the town knows very little about what the school is. Bucci and the gang work very hard to ensure that. Overlord I think youve got the right idea. Expose them as much as you can.
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Robert you havent been in Dahlonega for years. Overlordd you have only been in Dahlonega for 2 months. Neither one of you know what you are talking about. Hidden Lake Academy employs over 200 people. Most of them live in Lumpkin County. Approximately a third of them are natives of the county. Combine that with the fact that Hidden Lake Academy sponsors functions in the county, is a member of the chamber of commerce, rotary, and other civic organizations, and the students participate in various charitable organizations throughout the year and the school in addition to this brings employment, tax money, and business from visiting parents in the form of hotel stays and restaurant visits, and you will clearly see that Hidden Lake Academy is nothing shameful or secretive. There is no chain or gate at the school. There are no fences around the facility. And the entrance is clearly marked. There is nothing to expose.
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[ This Message was edited by: Jarhead6 on 2006-01-25 10:56 ]
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On 2005-10-12 04:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert you havent been in Dahlonega for years. Overlordd you have only been in Dahlonega for 2 months. Neither one of you know what you are talking about. Hidden Lake Academy employs over 200 people. Most of them live in Lumpkin County. Approximately a third of them are natives of the county. Combine that with the fact that Hidden Lake Academy sponsors functions in the county, is a member of the chamber of commerce, rotary, and other civic organizations, and the students participate in various charitable organizations throughout the year and the school in addition to this brings employment, tax money, and business from visiting parents in the form of hotel stays and restaurant visits, and you will clearly see that Hidden Lake Academy is nothing shameful or secretive. There is no chain or gate at the school. There are no fences around the facility. And the entrance is clearly marked. There is nothing to expose. "
Oh my most sincere apology, be sure to let your boss Bucci know how sorry I truly am. Douche. I was imprisoned there, I know exactly how much interaction the students have with people in the town, that would be almost none. At least none that isnt itensley scrutinized for any "manipulation" its amazing to me how easily truth telling turns into manipulation with you people. The people in town may know of the schools existence but they have no idea what goes on there. If they did they would be as guilty as all of you are, you know same crowd that lived in the beautiful town of Auswich.
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Yes you would know just how much interaction the townspeople have with the school since you are a native of Georgia (not), a resident of Dahlonega (not), have been in Dahlonega recently (not), been at the school recently (not), and spent the normal 18-22 months at the school (3 months). You are definately the expert on how much the town knows about the school. Since it is one of the main employers of the town, and they hold open houses on occasion for business leaders, memeber of chamber, etc, I cannot possibly imagine that anybody within 40 miles of the school doesnt know its nature and at least basic structure and how it operates and what type and age of kids it has enrolled there. At least half of its employees live within the county boundaries. Their spouses work in the community usually. Their children attend local schools. Some teachers have graduated from North Georgia College. Some rangers or former rangers work there. Some former students go to North Georgia College. Some employees of the police force work parttime or did work partime at the school in a security capacity. They use local merchants, local contractors, local facilities for functions, and sponsor many charity events. They direct the visiting parents to stay at local hotels. So, Robert, tell me, who is the expert on what Dahlonega residents do and don't know about the school? It certainly isn't you.
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I have seen the Hidden Lake students delivering and cutting wood for elderly residents, playing with children at the Head Start program, going on their buses to functions in Atlanta and other parts of North Georgia, and in town at restaurants. They also stay with their parents at hotels and bed and breakfasts in town when the parents come for visits. Their interaction with residents happens quite often.
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oh lord...here goes robertbruce again...asshole!
Oh my most sincere apology, be sure to let your boss Bucci know how sorry I truly am. Douche. I was imprisoned there, I know exactly how much interaction the students have with people in the town, that would be almost none. At least none that isnt itensley scrutinized for any "manipulation" its amazing to me how easily truth telling turns into manipulation with you people. The people in town may know of the schools existence but they have no idea what goes on there. If they did they would be as guilty as all of you are, you know same crowd that lived in the beautiful town of Auswich. "
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hey kc hows it goin, this is Missy... I got pulled a couple months ago. I find it somewhat interesting that the staff told people that you got sent to a lockdown, which they say about anyone who gets in trouble and leaves. That's good that you were able to go home though.
HLA is just a business, just like all of the other places in the troubled teen industry. And all of these people trying to shut the school down, it won't ever work, they're well-guarded legally. Basically they rely on manipulation of students and parents. Also, its mostly about painting a perfect picture to parents looking for somewhere to put their kids. There's a huge demand for places like HLA, and they just take everyones money. I mean why else would they make you pay the last 3 months of the program upon admission, without refund if the student leaves before that? The school is supposed to base everything around academics. All boarding schools are, whether or not they're therapeutic. The academics at HLA are absurd, and I only had one teacher who actually taught anything the entire time I was there. Academics at HLA just aren't very important, which is obvious. I think the people there are really being cheated out of their highschool education, and won't be as prepared for college. The therapy isn't individual, and isn't effective. They treat the students there based on what their parents say, and I was there for 9 months, and was treated for a bunch of things that weren't correct, and it was all rediculous, because it was what one of my parents said was wrong, and it took the counselers 9 months to realize that the parent was the root of the problem and crazy, and most of what my mom said was completely wrong.
A lot of stuff that happens at HLA shouldn't occur, but they do everything to make sure it doesn't get out enough to ruin their reputation. I still have flashbacks sometimes and weird dreams about being at hla, on a pretty regular basis. The program basically works by using fear, and instilling anxiety in the students, which is harmful. This method of "changing" does't seem to be something that carries on long term. A lot of messed up stuff happened to me at HLA which I will never forget, like when I first got there and on Christmas my shampoo bottle was peed in, my christmas gifts were put w/ another girl's and then hidden from me as well. Some of the staff there have treated me like I was worthless, and they were totally uneducated and immature, more so than some of the youngest students at the school.
Basically, all I really gained was insight, some backround on psychology, and some time away from home to clear my head and see the situation I was in before being sent there for what it was. I could have achieved all of those things, at a normal boarding school. I feel like I was cheated out of a proper education, and like I wasted my time when I was there. The negative things that happened to me there greatly outweighed the positive. HLA was a really emotionally disturbing experience for me.
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Overlordd, the students did charity work for the elderly, they interacted with those elderly people, and they interacted with the kids at Head Start, and with the people they encountered while out at functions and in town while visiting their parents. They werent just "seen". They participate in the world around them more than you seem to want to realize. You have been in Dahlonega for 2 months. You wouldnt even know how the people of Dahlonega are or what they think yet. You are not in a position to claim you KNOW anything about the interaction of students and townspeople.
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On 2005-10-13 00:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"hey kc hows it goin, this is Missy... I got pulled a couple months ago. I find it somewhat interesting that the staff told people that you got sent to a lockdown, which they say about anyone who gets in trouble and leaves. That's good that you were able to go home though.
HLA is just a business, just like all of the other places in the troubled teen industry. And all of these people trying to shut the school down, it won't ever work, they're well-guarded legally. Basically they rely on manipulation of students and parents. Also, its mostly about painting a perfect picture to parents looking for somewhere to put their kids. There's a huge demand for places like HLA, and they just take everyones money. I mean why else would they make you pay the last 3 months of the program upon admission, without refund if the student leaves before that? The school is supposed to base everything around academics. All boarding schools are, whether or not they're therapeutic. The academics at HLA are absurd, and I only had one teacher who actually taught anything the entire time I was there. Academics at HLA just aren't very important, which is obvious. I think the people there are really being cheated out of their highschool education, and won't be as prepared for college. The therapy isn't individual, and isn't effective. They treat the students there based on what their parents say, and I was there for 9 months, and was treated for a bunch of things that weren't correct, and it was all rediculous, because it was what one of my parents said was wrong, and it took the counselers 9 months to realize that the parent was the root of the problem and crazy, and most of what my mom said was completely wrong.
A lot of stuff that happens at HLA shouldn't occur, but they do everything to make sure it doesn't get out enough to ruin their reputation. I still have flashbacks sometimes and weird dreams about being at hla, on a pretty regular basis. The program basically works by using fear, and instilling anxiety in the students, which is harmful. This method of "changing" does't seem to be something that carries on long term. A lot of messed up stuff happened to me at HLA which I will never forget, like when I first got there and on Christmas my shampoo bottle was peed in, my christmas gifts were put w/ another girl's and then hidden from me as well. Some of the staff there have treated me like I was worthless, and they were totally uneducated and immature, more so than some of the youngest students at the school.
Basically, all I really gained was insight, some backround on psychology, and some time away from home to clear my head and see the situation I was in before being sent there for what it was. I could have achieved all of those things, at a normal boarding school. I feel like I was cheated out of a proper education, and like I wasted my time when I was there. The negative things that happened to me there greatly outweighed the positive. HLA was a really emotionally disturbing experience for me."
Well, this young lady's testimony goes a lot futher than the BS posted here by HLA staff and apologists (yes you, Mrs. Gray - your writing style is so annoying but consistent it's easy to ID you).
Thanks for writing, Missy. Can you explain some of the other things that happened to you at HLA? I've gotten some communications from young women there who claim to have been sexually abused by staff. Have you seen anything like that? Councelors coming on to kids or lewd behaviors? How easily available are drugs on campus (illicit and pharma)?
Any information would be helpful. Thanks.
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Who is Mrs. Gray? I posted a few of the previous posts to Overlordd but I am not a Mrs. Gray. You have me confused with somebody else.
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On 2005-10-12 14:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes you would know just how much interaction the townspeople have with the school since you are a native of Georgia (not), a resident of Dahlonega (not), have been in Dahlonega recently (not), been at the school recently (not), and spent the normal 18-22 months at the school (3 months). You are definately the expert on how much the town knows about the school. Since it is one of the main employers of the town, and they hold open houses on occasion for business leaders, memeber of chamber, etc, I cannot possibly imagine that anybody within 40 miles of the school doesnt know its nature and at least basic structure and how it operates and what type and age of kids it has enrolled there. At least half of its employees live within the county boundaries. Their spouses work in the community usually. Their children attend local schools. Some teachers have graduated from North Georgia College. Some rangers or former rangers work there. Some former students go to North Georgia College. Some employees of the police force work parttime or did work partime at the school in a security capacity. They use local merchants, local contractors, local facilities for functions, and sponsor many charity events. They direct the visiting parents to stay at local hotels. So, Robert, tell me, who is the expert on what Dahlonega residents do and don't know about the school? It certainly isn't you. "
Again with the three months? :grin: I wonder do you really have a basis for claiming I was there for three months or are you just tossing that out there to see what i'll say? Maybe I'll say "No I was there for 14 months" or maybe I'll say "No I was there for six months." or maybe I'll even say "Hey how did you know I was only there for three months?" Keep trying you retards couldnt identify someone if they were wearing a name tag. Keep trying though I find it funny.
Anyway back to your rambelings about student interaction with the town. Let me ask you a very simple question. Which one of us was the inmate there me or you? Oh thats right it was me. So maybe, just maybe and I know this is crazy talk, but maybe Id have a better understanding of how much time I personally interacted with the town, well at least a better understanding than you as you were looking from the outside in and propogating the abuse yourself.
Face facts the towns people have no clue as the abuse that goes on there, and as I said before if they did, they would be as guilty as the neighbors of concentration camps.
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"oh lord...here goes robertbruce again...asshole! "
My goodness that does sound like Mrs.Gray! Or would you just prefer we call you Susie?
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I don't know who Mrs. Gray is, but I do know you, Devon. Is Mrs. Gray an employee of the school or one of its directors?
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On 2005-10-13 04:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
and they interacted with the kids at Head Start
IMO, that doesn't speak well of HeadStart!There never was a good war or a bad peace.
--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)
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On 2005-10-13 09:47:00, RobertBruce wrote:
""oh lord...here goes robertbruce again...asshole! "
My goodness that does sound like Mrs.Gray! Or would you just prefer we call you Susie?"
i don't know why you insist that everyone is ms gray...there are others that can disagree with you and think that you are an ass...ms gray isn't the only one with that right or privledge!
and oh, by the way
NO ONE CARES WHO YOU REALLY ARE
so get off that narcasistic little soap box you stand on and deal with the all the anomisity that the world has to offer...just a little fish that NO ONE is casting for!
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On 2005-10-13 11:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-13 09:47:00, RobertBruce wrote:
""oh lord...here goes robertbruce again...asshole! "
My goodness that does sound like Mrs.Gray! Or would you just prefer we call you Susie?"
i don't know why you insist that everyone is ms gray...there are others that can disagree with you and think that you are an ass...ms gray isn't the only one with that right or privledge!
and oh, by the way
NO ONE CARES WHO YOU REALLY ARE
so get off that narcasistic little soap box you stand on and deal with the all the anomisity that the world has to offer...just a little fish that NO ONE is casting for!
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What a MORON! :silly:
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Will the real Robert Bruce please stand up? To be honest with you, he or she is no different than anyone else posting under an anon. screen name or one that is ficticious. I guess my point would be that if you find yourself needing the cloak of secrecy...then you are no different than Mr. or Ms. Bruce. :eek:
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On 2005-10-13 11:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-10-13 09:47:00, RobertBruce wrote:
""oh lord...here goes robertbruce again...asshole! "
My goodness that does sound like Mrs.Gray! Or would you just prefer we call you Susie?"
i don't know why you insist that everyone is ms gray...there are others that can disagree with you and think that you are an ass...ms gray isn't the only one with that right or privledge!
and oh, by the way
NO ONE CARES WHO YOU REALLY ARE
so get off that narcasistic little soap box you stand on and deal with the all the anomisity that the world has to offer...just a little fish that NO ONE is casting for!
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If no one cares who I am, then why are you attempting to ascertian my identity Mrs. Gray? Keep trying though as I said it amuses me.
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On 2005-10-13 10:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't know who Mrs. Gray is, but I do know you, Devon. Is Mrs. Gray an employee of the school or one of its directors?"
Wow you people dont give up do you? Before I was some girl named Blaire, now Im some guy(?)named Devon? How many more guesses do you get Mrs. Gray?
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I dont know why you insist on thinking I am a Mrs Gray. I suppose this is one of those troll names like KareninDallas. If so, I am neither one.
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On 2005-10-13 20:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I dont know why you insist on thinking I am a Mrs Gray. I suppose this is one of those troll names like KareninDallas. If so, I am neither one."
Well I figured it was only fair, you claim Im some person named Devon, I claim youre Mrs. Grey. Fair enough?
Lets get back to the prom issue though, and the towns interaction. I liked watching you evade the questions you didnt like.
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I don't claim you are Devon. You are Devon. But I am not Mrs. Gray. What questions did I avoid? Please state them again.
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Blaire was a guy. when were you there?
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I remember Blaire N. Definately a dude.
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Oh you dodged the question repeatedly about why so many postprogram and post grad students still remained on campus for this "prom" you speak of. Youre currently evading the one pertaining to how if you arent an employee there you would have been privy to student information, and as Mrs. Grey evaded dozens of questions she didnt like. Of course she was probably just to stupid to answer them, much as yourself.
I also wanted to reiterate how I love how HLA does anything to avoid the real issue. Namley attempting to guess the identity of former students using illegal methods.
This is a place you expect parents to send their children?
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one of the reasons that there were a few post grad students was that it was near the end of the academic year ( ie spring). If I am remebering correctly, there were about 6 post grad students. The reasons that were still at the school vary, mostly that it can be difficult to transfer to another school when you only have a few cedits needed to graduate highschool.
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or possibly because you went to a subpar school with no focus on academics, and rather total focus on therapy, and thus are ill prepared to transfer to any real college.
Im glad you finally got around to that one. Now be a good bull frog and go answer the other one.
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[ This Message was edited by: Jarhead6 on 2006-01-25 10:56 ]
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hey pplease send me a private message anymonouss
kc
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Missy how are you send me a private message thank god you lucky to leave i have some questions please respond
kc
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Hey missy where are you if you still read this whats up congradualtions on getting out talk to me peace hey just so you know i did substainial research and shutting them down is in reach ye sit is a bussiness but what i dug up is stuff you have no clue about sorry but this is alot deeper then you believe yes the picture they paint to the general public, ed cons, and parents is delightful but the coercive trainign and maniuplation they do ect is deep
kc
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WHO IS D-RY YO HOLLA AT ME BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHO THIS IS SO TELL ME YOUR NAME ITS COOL ATLEAT INTIALS OR SOMETHING OR PRIVATE MESSAGE ME I NEED TO KNOW
KC
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I don't exactly understand what the purpose of this forum is. I am a (recent) HLA graduate and if people are looking for help in bringing the place down, I'm ready and willing.
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The only reason that you all seek to "Bring down" HLA is because it was a less than desirable memory for you. if you work with the program, the rogram works for you... otherwise, you will hate it, and continue with your worthless attmepts to "bring down" HLA.
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if you were booted or on the verge of being booted, what brought you to this conclusion in the time you've been out?
HLA too harsh for you, but others 'deserve it'?
there are some pieces missing to your puzzle.
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On 2005-11-14 07:41:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"The only reason that you all seek to "Bring down" HLA is because it was a less than desirable memory for you. if you work with the program, the rogram works for you... otherwise, you will hate it, and continue with your worthless attmepts to "bring down" HLA."
What if someone doesnt need the program. What then? Oh and again the question remains, if our words are worthless why is Buchi trying to silent us.
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how are you assuming the HLA was too "harsh" for me? Just because there were other things in my life i was ready to persue, and at that moment i was ready? HLA made a positive impression on my life. No, the students are no happy that they are there, but it's because they can't walk all over the staff memebers and get away with it, like they could their parents.
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On 2005-11-14 09:39:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"how are you assuming the HLA was too "harsh" for me? Just because there were other things in my life i was ready to persue, and at that moment i was ready? HLA made a positive impression on my life. No, the students are no happy that they are there, but it's because they can't walk all over the staff memebers and get away with it, like they could their parents."
And again you make an assumption that you do not know to be fact.
How do you know thats why they arent happy? How do you know they were able to walk all over their parents?
You dont know these things youre just assuming things and making shit up.
Again typical HLA staff behavior.
Do you think you could enter the possibility into your mind that maybe the reason some of them arent happy there is because they dont need to be there. Or maybe because they are abused while being there?
Is that a possibility?
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A possibility yes; a probability, no. many students are unhappy because they cannot get away with the manipulation and lies that they got away with at home... and that is a FACT.
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A fact based on what?
You keep talking about kids you dont know and have never met.
So what is the basis of your claims?
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All of the students that I have met... that is the basis of the fact that i seem to be stating.
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On 2005-11-14 09:55:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"All of the students that I have met... that is the basis of the fact that i seem to be stating."
PRAISE THE LORD SHE HAS SEEN THE LIGHT
Okay your basing your comments on your experiences and the people youve met. Fine.
Accept the fact that there are hundreds if not thousands of kids who came to that school at some point whom you never met.
Since you never met them you dont know them.
Since you dont know them you dont know anything about them.
Since you dont know anything about them you cannot possibly comment on how or why they were unhappy at HLA, nor can you comment on how they behaved or what the did while there or what they deserved.
Is this sinking in at all? Have we had a breakthrough?
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Your smartass comments are not needed nor appriciated... it is a generalization, however, i feel that it is deserved, and accurate...
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Well your argument could well be twisted back at you Robert. Let's assume that you know the exact same number of people who experienced HLA over the years. Then let's assume that Aften knows the exact same number of people from HLA that you do. But the only difference being, during different periods of time. So, assuming this to be fact, her argument that HLA was an overall helpful experience for most holds just as much weight as your argument that it helped nobody. Seems to be that this is a stalemate. You claim HLA is bad, and she does not. At this point it is nothing more than the glass either being half full, or half empty. No one person is wrong, and no one person is right. Therefore, your insults to her of her differing opinion are meaningless. You have your view, and she has hers. That's all it is.
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you can believe it all you want so long as you recognize that it is an opinion (based on nothing) and not a fact.
You have no real way of knowing anything about the kids you never met.
Youre just guessing based on what your lesbian staff member friends told you to think.
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and why do you feel the need to continue bringing up "my lesbian staff members"? what i think verses what they think may, as far as you know, be two completly different things.
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On 2005-11-14 10:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Well your argument could well be twisted back at you Robert. Let's assume that you know the exact same number of people who experienced HLA over the years. Then let's assume that Aften knows the exact same number of people from HLA that you do. But the only difference being, during different periods of time. So, assuming this to be fact, her argument that HLA was an overall helpful experience for most holds just as much weight as your argument that it helped nobody. Seems to be that this is a stalemate. You claim HLA is bad, and she does not. At this point it is nothing more than the glass either being half full, or half empty. No one person is wrong, and no one person is right. Therefore, your insults to her of her differing opinion are meaningless. You have your view, and she has hers. That's all it is."
The only difference between us is Im not assuming things, I base my argument on either my own experiences as in things I saw with my own eyes or had done to myself, or statements of facts such as learning that HLA operated for 11 years without ever being properly licensed and that they lied to the state about their purpose in order to avoid certian inspections and regulations.
These are facts not opinions or assumptions.
Whereas opinions and assumptions seem to be the basis for her entire argument, along with talking about people shes never met and knows nothing about.
Something Ive never done.
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I believe she is speaking about people she does know for the most part. You speak about the entire school's population being abused. You speak about points in time at the school that you were not there for. You speak about things of which you are not totally sure is fact or fiction. Some maybe are fact, such as your own experiences, but other than that, you are making alot of assumptions about alot of things. Is that not just a slight generalization? Robert you are accusing other's statements of things of which your own statements are full of. I believe that is called projection is it not?
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On 2005-11-14 10:17:00, aftenthurston wrote:
"and why do you feel the need to continue bringing up "my lesbian staff members"? what i think verses what they think may, as far as you know, be two completly different things."
Well...you must be getting your rhetoric from somewhere. I mean why else would you use the same programed speech that the employees use?
Ive got to go to class cupcake we will pick this up later.
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thank you anon...
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Robert, you have proved nothing here, you say that you are speaking about facts, what proof have you offered anyone here. You make sweeping claims, yet ofer no concrete proof to back up your facts
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hmm... maybe i just speak like i do, because that is part of me... ever thought of that dear?
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I've seen your comments for quite some time and have been intriqued and disgusted by your total double standard...you are one person with one opinion...based only on what you say is your personal experience, or more likely "lack of"... How can you make such blanket statements, while.. by the way hiding obviously behind an alias. If you have such strong convictions and know your statements to be fact not fiction...why not step out from behind your untruths and misinformation and defend your statements as the "real person". You have no right to speak for other students; past or current. Try some honesty ....and not just attacking everyone personally. By the way I'm surious as to when you were you at HLA? (All eleven years they-ve been around that you seem to be attacking with "first-hand" knowledge.....I think not.)
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Robert, that last message was directed at you.....
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Robert, it is amazing every time you open your mouth you stick your unknowing and misguided foot into it...with your last comments a lot of us have realized that you do not know what you are talking about...HLA is fully licensed and accredited...how else could students graduate with a high school diploma and go on to college....fact...not fiction.
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Well said anon. that is really a good point... a lot of his comments are quite incorrect
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I have to agree and disagree. They are accredited by SAC's and licensed as an academic program. I still have yet to see any licensure relating to the therapeutic component of their program. Somebody please correct me if I am wrong. It is unfortunate that states do not maintain any type of oversight relating to mental health practices within these programs!
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actually let me verify there acreedidations they do have but check this out
THEY ARE NOT REAL THEY GOT THEM ILLEGALLY AND DO NOT CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH THEM TO STAY WITH THESE ACREDDITATIONS
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actually let me verify there acreedidations they do have but check this out
THEY ARE NOT REAL THEY GOT THEM ILLEGALLY AND DO NOT CONTINUE TO COMPLY WITH THEM TO STAY WITH THESE ACREDDITATIONS
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licensed as an academic program??
By whom?
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They are accredited by SACS and also a member of the Georgia private school organization. Can't remember what their initials are offhand at the moment however.
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http://www.sacscasi.org/schools/Proceed ... edited.pdf (http://www.sacscasi.org/schools/Proceedings_GA_Accredited.pdf)
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http://www.gisa-schools.org/schoolinfo. ... vious=list (http://www.gisa-schools.org/schoolinfo.asp?school=56&previous=list)
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If the school was operating illegally it would not have gained recognization by the State in 2004 honoring them with 10 years of service.
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No offense to the great state of GA, but I could probably illegally operate a hot dog stand on the corner for ten years and get recognized if I paid taxes on it. All that glitters is not gold.
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Big friggin difference between operating a hot dog stand and running a boarding school with 150 students and 150 employees.
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You obviously missed the point o' wise one. The point being... lots of things look good on the surface. I wouldn't give "recognition" by the state of Georgia as a good indicator that HLA is a quality educational opportunity for families.
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On 2005-11-14 10:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I believe she is speaking about people she does know for the most part. You speak about the entire school's population being abused. You speak about points in time at the school that you were not there for. You speak about things of which you are not totally sure is fact or fiction. Some maybe are fact, such as your own experiences, but other than that, you are making alot of assumptions about alot of things. Is that not just a slight generalization? Robert you are accusing other's statements of things of which your own statements are full of. I believe that is called projection is it not? "
No shes really not. She keeps talking about every student who ever attended there irregardless of the fact she never met them and knows nothing about them.
I on the other hand have not stated anything on which there is confusion. Everything I have stated is either my own experience, a verifiable fact, or comes from the experience of another student.
I dont generalize and I dont make assumptions.
If youd like to offer up a single assumption you believe Ive made by all means go right ahead.
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On 2005-11-14 10:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert, you have proved nothing here, you say that you are speaking about facts, what proof have you offered anyone here. You make sweeping claims, yet ofer no concrete proof to back up your facts"
Which ones are you interested in?
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On 2005-11-14 12:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I've seen your comments for quite some time and have been intriqued and disgusted by your total double standard...you are one person with one opinion...based only on what you say is your personal experience, or more likely "lack of"... How can you make such blanket statements, while.. by the way hiding obviously behind an alias. If you have such strong convictions and know your statements to be fact not fiction...why not step out from behind your untruths and misinformation and defend your statements as the "real person". You have no right to speak for other students; past or current. Try some honesty ....and not just attacking everyone personally. By the way I'm surious as to when you were you at HLA? (All eleven years they-ve been around that you seem to be attacking with "first-hand" knowledge.....I think not.) "
I see but Aften does? Again typical staff behavior. I gave a very legitimate reason for not using my real name on here. By refusing to do so Marty cant try and silence me now can he? As to your other comments I have been nothing but honest, and as to when I was at HLA why does it matter to you? It bears nothing on this conversation. My statements come from my either first hand experience or the experience others related to me about their own time at HLA, not the time of others.
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On 2005-11-14 12:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert, it is amazing every time you open your mouth you stick your unknowing and misguided foot into it...with your last comments a lot of us have realized that you do not know what you are talking about...HLA is fully licensed and accredited...how else could students graduate with a high school diploma and go on to college....fact...not fiction."
Are we going to go down this road again Mrs. Gray? I told you who you could call to verify that Im telling the truth.
HLA was not (and may still not be I dont know) for the first eleven years licensed as a Theraputic Boarding School, it was listed with the ORS of GA as a traditional boarding school. This is a verifiable fact, one that can easily be checked by placing a call to the ORS and asking them. Much as I did to discover the truth.
The reason why they were not licensed as a TBS (despite the fact that their website claimed they were in fact one) was because TBS have to operate under certian guidelines. For example:
1. Food cannot be rationed.
2. Communications cannot be monitered.
3. A represenative from the state must be available to hear grievences from the students.
4. Physical labor cannot be used as punishments.
All things that are part of the wonderful experience your child will have at HLA.
Call them up if theres any question.
Oh and again (much as before) no one claimed the school was not accredited, the only one who ever talks about that is you Mrs. Gray...only because you know Im right and want to detract from the facts.
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On 2005-11-14 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If the school was operating illegally it would not have gained recognization by the State in 2004 honoring them with 10 years of service. "
Apparently it can.
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This is SHH, (the one you continue to call Mrs. Gray) and I did not post that last comment. Do you seriously think that every post against you is me??? surely you can't be that dumb to think that only one person in the world disagrees with you LMAO
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On 2005-11-15 03:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This is SHH, (the one you continue to call Mrs. Gray) and I did not post that last comment. Do you seriously think that every post against you is me??? surely you can't be that dumb to think that only one person in the world disagrees with you LMAO"
Oh no not at all Bullfrog, and if you like we can run the IPs again to see where all youve been hiding.
Its just interesting that another person would use the same mindless drivel you used to spew out so regurarly.
You know blabbering on and on about "wahaaa its accredited by the school board of GA" when A. No one mentioned anything about accredidation and B. Being accredited in GA means absolutly nothing..its Georgia.
No we are well aware that Buchi has a number of mindless foot soldiers on these boards parroting his propoganda at any opportunity.
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Be my guest, Robert, search all the IPs you want, then you will clearly see that not all those posts are mine.
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Who claimed they all were bullfrog?
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Quite a few times you have said posts were mine when they weren't. I would guess only about 15 % of them are actually mine. And since I don't call you anything other than Robert please kindly refrain from calling me a bullfrog. That is not my name.
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I call it like I see it Susie Q, so Bullfrog it is.
And what is this "quite a few times" are you refering to when you swore up and down you werent you and then you were proven wrong and scampered away?
Honestly Bullfrog (how do you say that in spanish? isnt it vaqo or something stupid like that?)your lack of thought shines through on every post you make. You just cant hide yourself very well, maybe if you tried a new line of drivel.
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Most of my posts I made it pretty damn clear who I was. There were a few that I preferred to remain anonymous. As opposed to ALL of yours that are anonymous! LMAO And when did I scamper away Mr. Bruce? You do see that I am here do you not? Your ego amazes me. Why the hell would I care what you think anyway? I am no more afraid of you than the man on the moon or the boogeyman under my bed. I just wanted to point out that a lot of posts you think are mine, are not, to point out your ignorance to the vast amount of people who do not agree with your thoughts. You think everyone is me, which is, a little paranoid to say the least. And since you don't remember what I look like, you can't be "calling it as you see it" can you, since I look nothing like a bullfrog. I will, however, cut you some slack on the name calling thing. You just don't know any better.
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On 2005-11-15 09:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Most of my posts I made it pretty damn clear who I was. There were a few that I preferred to remain anonymous. As opposed to ALL of yours that are anonymous! LMAO And when did I scamper away Mr. Bruce? You do see that I am here do you not? Your ego amazes me. Why the hell would I care what you think anyway? I am no more afraid of you than the man on the moon or the boogeyman under my bed. I just wanted to point out that a lot of posts you think are mine, are not, to point out your ignorance to the vast amount of people who do not agree with your thoughts. You think everyone is me, which is, a little paranoid to say the least. And since you don't remember what I look like, you can't be "calling it as you see it" can you, since I look nothing like a bullfrog. I will, however, cut you some slack on the name calling thing. You just don't know any better."
Well to be honest you didnt come out and say it was you. For quite some time you lied about it after you released (illegally) the former students information. The only post I have attributed to you have in fact been yours. While I understand that as a employee/stooge/puppet of Buchi and the gang you are required to have a gigantic ego, you are in fact not the only person on here I speak to. There are actually others, as much as I love you Susie the Bullfrog I have to have room in my heart for others.
As far as your name and apperance goes Dysfunction clued me into your charming appearance he said rather like a bullfrog. I hate to break your heart on the fact that I trust dysfunctions word more than yours (for the obvious reason being that he tells the truth whereas you dont know how) but thats just how it is.
But since youre so interested go ahead and post up every comment I attributed to you that you claim wasnt yours.
Lets see how full of yourself you really are.
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When Dysfunction described me on an old post he was WAY off the mark so he doesn't remember what I looked like. He worked there in 1994 and early 1995. He probably has me confused with somebody else. No matter though, my appearance has nothing to do with anything anyway.
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Oh and by the way, I have done nothing illegal. Oh how you do go on about that. Well, unless of course my memory is somehow considered a "confidential file".
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RobertBruce
A regular around here
Joined: 2005-01-09
Posts: 226 Hmmm
Posted: 2005-11-14 22:02:00
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On 2005-11-14 12:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Robert, it is amazing every time you open your mouth you stick your unknowing and misguided foot into it...with your last comments a lot of us have realized that you do not know what you are talking about...HLA is fully licensed and accredited...how else could students graduate with a high school diploma and go on to college....fact...not fiction."
Are we going to go down this road again Mrs. Gray? I told you who you could call to verify that Im telling the truth.
HLA was not (and may still not be I dont know) for the first eleven years licensed as a Theraputic Boarding School, it was listed with the ORS of GA as a traditional boarding school. This is a verifiable fact, one that can easily be checked by placing a call to the ORS and asking them. Much as I did to discover the truth.
The reason why they were not licensed as a TBS (despite the fact that their website claimed they were in fact one) was because TBS have to operate under certian guidelines. For example:
1. Food cannot be rationed.
2. Communications cannot be monitered.
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On 2005-11-15 14:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"When Dysfunction described me on an old post he was WAY off the mark so he doesn't remember what I looked like. He worked there in 1994 and early 1995. He probably has me confused with somebody else. No matter though, my appearance has nothing to do with anything anyway."
You are correct it has nothing to do with HLA only with why I call you bullfrog. He saw the picture of you in Bills office, I however was never in Bills office as he had almost nothing to do with the students while I was there?
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On 2005-11-15 14:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh and by the way, I have done nothing illegal. Oh how you do go on about that. Well, unless of course my memory is somehow considered a "confidential file".
:wstupid: "
Yes you stupid bullfrog because you used information you gained as an employee of HLA! How is that not sinking in? You cannot reveal ANY information. Which you did, which is why you will suffer the consequences.
Oh and again Dysfunction has proven himself to be more trustworthy than you, hence his claims that you look like a bullfrog are accepted at face value while your claims that you are very attractive are rather suspect. But again it has little to do with the topic at hand, just wanted to make it clear to you.
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Oh but you do forget the fact that I told both of you that Bill never had a picture of me in his office, therefore Dysfunction could have never seen my picture there. But the point is really mute on whether or not I am attractive, my point in all this is that Dysfunction is full of shit, and if you believe him, than you are dumber than I thought.
And Robert, I believe you are the one that doesn't have it sinking in. I remembered a kid with that name that I met. I did not get ANY information out of a file. That is called memory, and it was not personal information. Nobody knows the age, or address, or religion, or date of birth, or last name of that kid, nor what state they were from or anything personal. A first name, that is it. And do you know why I didnt post any of that? Because I don't know any of that information. I remembered a kid that I met with that name. None of that is illegal. You are more obsessive than I thought.
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On 2005-11-16 04:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh but you do forget the fact that I told both of you that Bill never had a picture of me in his office, therefore Dysfunction could have never seen my picture there. But the point is really mute on whether or not I am attractive, my point in all this is that Dysfunction is full of shit, and if you believe him, than you are dumber than I thought.
And Robert, I believe you are the one that doesn't have it sinking in. I remembered a kid with that name that I met. I did not get ANY information out of a file. That is called memory, and it was not personal information. Nobody knows the age, or address, or religion, or date of birth, or last name of that kid, nor what state they were from or anything personal. A first name, that is it. And do you know why I didnt post any of that? Because I don't know any of that information. I remembered a kid that I met with that name. None of that is illegal. You are more obsessive than I thought. "
I'm not getting involved in another useless argument with Mrs. Gray, as she's already proven herself to be an ignorant fountain of misinformation. However, I would like to refute one of her statements.
I can say for a fact that she was (many years ago) very unattractive (to say it nicely) and, to me, looked like a bullfrog as I stated before. I stand by that statement.
If she's claiming to look different now, that's fine. In my experience, however, homely, bullfrog-lookin' folks don't get better looking with age in the absence of some radical plastic surgery.
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On 2005-11-16 04:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh but you do forget the fact that I told both of you that Bill never had a picture of me in his office, therefore Dysfunction could have never seen my picture there. But the point is really mute on whether or not I am attractive, my point in all this is that Dysfunction is full of shit, and if you believe him, than you are dumber than I thought.
And Robert, I believe you are the one that doesn't have it sinking in. I remembered a kid with that name that I met. I did not get ANY information out of a file. That is called memory, and it was not personal information. Nobody knows the age, or address, or religion, or date of birth, or last name of that kid, nor what state they were from or anything personal. A first name, that is it. And do you know why I didnt post any of that? Because I don't know any of that information. I remembered a kid that I met with that name. None of that is illegal. You are more obsessive than I thought. "
Again though Im sticking with Dysfunctions assesment of you, hes just shown himself to be a much more honest person than you.
On to the things that matter. You are in fact a liar Mrs. Gray. Dan I both spoke with Devin the student you revealed the information about. He never met you, he was actualy quite surprised to learn that ol Fatty was even married. So if he didnt know Fatass was married, and he never met you, how you could you know anything about him?
I realize that you probably think the rest of the world is as stupid and gullible as you are however thats not really how it works.
Cause heres the thing, 1. Dan posted the statue for you in which you as a former employee revealing any information concerning a former student is illegal. A first name and a length of stay is in fact information, thus you revealing it is considered illegal. If youre that confused on this point call a lawyer and have him explain it to you. Maybe you can talk to Marty about it at the company christmas party. 2. You had some sort of basis for making the assumption that I was in fact Devin, you didnt simply pull the name out of your fat bullfrog ass, you used the information you gained as an employee of HLA and compared it with the information you knew about me. Or one Buchis stooges looked it up for you (this is more likely as you arent that smart). That is how you came to your concluscion.
Illegally.
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can anyone guess what that is?
that's the bullfrog croaking as she reads robert bruce being right.
yet again.
give it the fuck up mrs. grey.
if a fatty won't even stay with you forever, you are real pathetic.
dan pg26
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1) I remembered a kid named Devon. whether or not he remembered me is besides the point.
2) Dysfunction is not telling the truth about what I look like, and about other things, therefore, he is full of shit, therefore I cannot be a bullfrog.
3) It is not illegal to post a first name of someone i rememberd at the school I have talked to an attorney you dipshit
4) What makes you think Bill divorced me? It might have been the other way around. Again, a goofy ass assumption.
5) I never gained "confidential" information from anybody anywhere. Everything I have posted is things I remembered from when I was there. Nor did I have access to students files even when I was an employee. So, again, assumptions. You know what assumptions do dont you?
6) Since I havent been living in Georgia in several years, and since I am no longer A. married to Bill and B. not an employee of the school and C. Havent spoken to Marty or Dr. B since December of 2000, why the heck do you think I would attend anything that has to do with the school now? LMAO
So.....tell me this boys, who is full of shit now? Damn how you do go on and on and on and on.
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it is legal to post the first name of a student that was recalled from memory
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***Since I havent been living in Georgia in several years, and since I am no longer A. married to Bill and B. not an employee of the school and C. Havent spoken to Marty or Dr. B since December of 2000, why the heck do you think I would attend anything that has to do with the school now?
Now here's the real question... if all that is true, then why do spend time here arguing with ex-students and staff who obviously have more accurate information than you do? What inspires you to spend your time that way if you have no vested interest?
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My interest has to do with the fact that when I came across this board back in the spring, I found quite a few incorrect, misleading things being posted about a facility that I was associated with from its founding until February of 2001, and it was my home as well for 4 years, AND, the slanderous, hateful, UNTRUE things being said about my son's father. That is where my interest in this board comes from. My son's father, even though we have our differences and got divorced, is a very well respected person in his community. He loves his children dearly and is very close to his family. He takes his job very seriously and spends probably 10-14 hrs a day in his office or on campus, other than at his personal home. He works like a dog and so did his mother and father when they worked on campus for the 6 years they were there. I had alot of friends who worked there who were very decent, moral people, and I respect Dr. Buccellato for his expertise and interest in children and their educational and emotional upbringing. Dr. B has operated a traditional private day school for years in Atlanta, owns both HLA and Ridge Creek in addition to the new facility they have planned, and has had a successful private practice in Atlanta for over 20 yrs, and has worked with numerous public school systems in development of programs over the years. He knows good and well how to operate a school legally. He is a PHD and knows his "shit" so to speak. So, knowing what I know about the owner of this school and about some of its current and former employees, I find it offensive that some of you come on here pretending to "know it all" and because you dealt with some employees who didnt behave the way they should have or with experiences you yourself had, in the few months or year you were there, it means that every person is evil that was ever associated with the school and it needs to be shut down. You know my catholic high school that I went to sucked in some ways too and had its few employees that werent good but it is a wonderful school with wonderful people, great students, and great educational opportunities. You have to look at the whole picture. That is my interest in this board. You asked, I answered.
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****He knows good and well how to operate a school legally.
If this is true, why doesn't he run his business (it's NOT a school) legally?
Why has he ducked licensure for years? Why did he knowingly run an unaccredited "school" for nearly a decade? Why did he knowingly hire "clinicians" who had phony credentials? Why did he rehire and promote a scumbag who was banging patients? I could go on and on with the questions, but I'll wait until you answer these ones first.
WHY?
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You should be asking him all those questions but I will answer the ones I know the answer to:
The school is operating legally.
The school is and has been accredited academically for years.
As far as credentials maybe he was just as fooled by their credentials as everybody else. As you will notice, everybody there now has proper diplomas, etc.
And as far as Danny Pervel, maybe he wasnt guilty of the "banging", maybe it was rumor and maybe it was kids making it all up, but I woudlnt know I dont know the guy.
Got any more?
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***The school is operating legally.
What 'qualified' them for exemption from licensure? They certainly meet the definition of an RCF.
***The school is and has been accredited academically for years.
How many years, and by who?
***As far as credentials maybe he was just as fooled by their credentials as everybody else. As you will notice, everybody there now has proper diplomas, etc.
Well, we'd certainly have to take your word for that, whoever you are? And assume that you actually know.
***And as far as Danny Pervel, maybe he wasnt guilty of the "banging", maybe it was rumor and maybe it was kids making it all up, but I woudlnt know I dont know the guy.
And my goodness, maybe it wasn't rumor. How would that be determined?
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According to this website Georgia has no regulations requiring private schools to be licensed or accredited. According to the Dept of Education for Georgia website they do require schools to provide a basic education in all main subjects and have students attend at least 180 days a year.
http://www.ed.gov/pubs/RegPrivSchl/chart.html (http://www.ed.gov/pubs/RegPrivSchl/chart.html)
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I just read an article done by law students at Brigham Young University discussing state regulation of private schools. In the article, they mention that only 26 states out of 50 require some sort of licensing or accredition as mandatory for a private school to operate. Of the others, Georgia is mentioned as only requiring the school to obtain a business license, which, Hidden Lake Academy has. I checked the Georgia Secretary of State website to verify that. Other than that, every other website on the topic I found seems to lead one to believe that accredition and licensing of private schools in the state of Georgia is voluntary and other than basic education requirements needing to be met by the school, everything else is up to the accrediting organization or the health dept to monitor.
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On 2005-11-16 09:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"1) I remembered a kid named Devon. whether or not he remembered me is besides the point.
2) Dysfunction is not telling the truth about what I look like, and about other things, therefore, he is full of shit, therefore I cannot be a bullfrog.
3) It is not illegal to post a first name of someone i rememberd at the school I have talked to an attorney you dipshit
4) What makes you think Bill divorced me? It might have been the other way around. Again, a goofy ass assumption.
5) I never gained "confidential" information from anybody anywhere. Everything I have posted is things I remembered from when I was there. Nor did I have access to students files even when I was an employee. So, again, assumptions. You know what assumptions do dont you?
6) Since I havent been living in Georgia in several years, and since I am no longer A. married to Bill and B. not an employee of the school and C. Havent spoken to Marty or Dr. B since December of 2000, why the heck do you think I would attend anything that has to do with the school now? LMAO
So.....tell me this boys, who is full of shit now? Damn how you do go on and on and on and on."
"1) I remembered a kid named Devon. whether or not he remembered me is besides the point."
Is it now? I guess you havent really thought this through. The guy claims hes never met nor heard of you. You claim it doesnt matter and that you did in fact meet him.
Can you prove it?
In a court of law you would have to be able to prove that you remembered the kid from having met him at HLA. If he claims he didnt then youve got to provide an alternative source of information. How many other ways were there Mrs. Gray? Again face facts youre busted.
"2) Dysfunction is not telling the truth about what I look like, and about other things, therefore, he is full of shit, therefore I cannot be a bullfrog."
What other things? Specifically? You keep forgetting Mrs. Gray, Dysfuction has shown himself to not only be a great deal more honest than you, but able to back up his claims (something youve never done) and hes shown himself to be smarter than you.
"3) It is not illegal to post a first name of someone i rememberd at the school I have talked to an attorney you dipshit"
Dipshit? Mrs. Gray you sly little bullfrog it sounds as if youre getting flustered. Do you need a zap to think about it? Perhaps while doing so you can talk again to that attorney friend of yours (Marty). Only this time tell him the real story of how you got the information. Then we'll see his response.
"4) What makes you think Bill divorced me? It might have been the other way around. Again, a goofy ass assumption."
Are you directing this towards someone else? Considering I never mentioned your divorce from Fatass I dont know why else you would mention it. I could care less about your maritial problems. If I had to guess though I would say you slept around with a vagrant causing him to divorce you.
"5) I never gained "confidential" information from anybody anywhere. Everything I have posted is things I remembered from when I was there. Nor did I have access to students files even when I was an employee. So, again, assumptions. You know what assumptions do dont you? "
You didnt? Stupid sloppy bullfrog, what do you think it was your were doing there? You have ranted on and on about how you sent out our progress reports. This would be considered a student file would it not you ignorant toad? Hence you releasing information gained from those files would in fact be illegal.
"6) Since I havent been living in Georgia in several years, and since I am no longer A. married to Bill and B. not an employee of the school and C. Havent spoken to Marty or Dr. B since December of 2000, why the heck do you think I would attend anything that has to do with the school now? LMAO"
Because as was stated earlier, you arent smart enough to come up with this information on your own.
You know what I like best about your rant Susie. You completly evade discussing why out of all the random students you supposedly remember at HLA you would have just thrown Devin's name out there. Again claiming you had no real basis for this thought?
Keep trying Mrs. Gray.
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On 2005-11-16 11:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"it is legal to post the first name of a student that was recalled from memory"
Maybe it is, but not if the original memory is from a student record and not the student himself.
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Well that should make the discerning parent feel all warm and fuzzy about their child's well-being.
Is HLAs tuition still being paid by insurance companies?
Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?
Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school? How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?
Twist, turn, manipulate. HLA is not a traditional boarding school and ever person in this discussion knows that. Just the latest version of fraud being perpetrated, apparently industry wide.
Can we credit the NATSAP think tank for this clever new direction? Who IS the mastermind behind this brilliant illusion?
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On 2005-11-16 14:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My interest has to do with the fact that when I came across this board back in the spring, I found quite a few incorrect, misleading things being posted about a facility that I was associated with from its founding until February of 2001, and it was my home as well for 4 years, AND, the slanderous, hateful, UNTRUE things being said about my son's father. That is where my interest in this board comes from. My son's father, even though we have our differences and got divorced, is a very well respected person in his community. He loves his children dearly and is very close to his family. He takes his job very seriously and spends probably 10-14 hrs a day in his office or on campus, other than at his personal home. He works like a dog and so did his mother and father when they worked on campus for the 6 years they were there. I had alot of friends who worked there who were very decent, moral people, and I respect Dr. Buccellato for his expertise and interest in children and their educational and emotional upbringing. Dr. B has operated a traditional private day school for years in Atlanta, owns both HLA and Ridge Creek in addition to the new facility they have planned, and has had a successful private practice in Atlanta for over 20 yrs, and has worked with numerous public school systems in development of programs over the years. He knows good and well how to operate a school legally. He is a PHD and knows his "shit" so to speak. So, knowing what I know about the owner of this school and about some of its current and former employees, I find it offensive that some of you come on here pretending to "know it all" and because you dealt with some employees who didnt behave the way they should have or with experiences you yourself had, in the few months or year you were there, it means that every person is evil that was ever associated with the school and it needs to be shut down. You know my catholic high school that I went to sucked in some ways too and had its few employees that werent good but it is a wonderful school with wonderful people, great students, and great educational opportunities. You have to look at the whole picture. That is my interest in this board. You asked, I answered."
Specifically Mrs. Gray what "incorrect misleading statements" did we make?
Please list them off and state the reality of the situation.
Also can you discuss what changes needed to be made at HLA versus which ones were and why? Followed by telling us students who did have to deal with perhaps poor practices or
"dealt with some employees who didnt behave the way they should have or with experiences you yourself had"
do we now have a legitimate claim against the school?
Also can you go into why if everything is on the level there Buchi would need to operate illegally or even under a loop hole? Why not simply register with the state as a Theraputic Boarding School and deal with those regulations?
Get back to me on those Susie.
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****According to this website Georgia has no regulations requiring private schools to be licensed or accredited.
Is that surprising.... afterall, it is Ga.
****According to the Dept of Education for Georgia website they do require schools to provide a basic education in all main subjects and have students attend at least 180 days a year.
Given the intelligence level of the parents HLA deals with... it will probably never cross their minds to ask who monitors the therapeutic aspect of the program. Kudos. You guys are really just brilliant!! You did really good for yourselves. So much for the kids.
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On 2005-11-16 16:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You should be asking him all those questions but I will answer the ones I know the answer to:
The school is operating legally.
The school is and has been accredited academically for years.
And as far as Danny Pervel, maybe he wasnt guilty of the "banging", maybe it was rumor and maybe it was kids making it all up, but I woudlnt know I dont know the guy.
As far as credentials maybe he was just as fooled by their credentials as everybody else. As you will notice, everybody there now has proper diplomas, etc.
Got any more?"
"You should be asking him all those questions but I will answer the ones I know the answer to"
He wont talk to us remember, and you did agree to be his represenative on here, so you get the questions.
"The school is operating legally."
No its not and you know that you were married to its operations director.
The school has lied to the state about its purpose since its inception. It has claimed to be a traditional boarding school when it is in fact a theraputic boarding school, something they tell parents and something until we forced the situation its own website claimed.
It does this to avoid state regulations and oversight.
Is this your definition of legal?
"The school is and has been accredited academically for years."
Yeah the school is a joke that no one can fail, Im sure if these accredidation boards really looked at the level of education the inmates were getting they would yank it real quick. Again though its Georgia what difference does the accredidation make?
"As far as credentials maybe he was just as fooled by their credentials as everybody else. As you will notice, everybody there now has proper diplomas, etc."
Hmmm youre saying that Buchi was "fooled" by this staff member. The man he made what now the Dean of Students? The Headmaster?
Wouldnt such a position warrant a greater backround check? Wouldnt all the staff members at HLA since they are working with children be subject to rigorous backround checks?
How was he fooled and what did he do to remedy the situation? Also since you claim you have no affiliation with the school now, how would you know the credentials and backround of the current staff?
"And as far as Danny Pervel, maybe he wasnt guilty of the "banging", maybe it was rumor and maybe it was kids making it all up, but I woudlnt know I dont know the guy. "
Why automaticaly assume its a rumor? You have more than one student not only corroborating it but offering other disturbing details about this individual. Wouldnt this warrant the parents attention and be subject to a thorough investigation rather than just be dismissed as a rumor?
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"Got any more?"
Looks like we do.
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On 2005-11-16 20:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just read an article done by law students at Brigham Young University discussing state regulation of private schools. In the article, they mention that only 26 states out of 50 require some sort of licensing or accredition as mandatory for a private school to operate. Of the others, Georgia is mentioned as only requiring the school to obtain a business license, which, Hidden Lake Academy has. I checked the Georgia Secretary of State website to verify that. Other than that, every other website on the topic I found seems to lead one to believe that accredition and licensing of private schools in the state of Georgia is voluntary and other than basic education requirements needing to be met by the school, everything else is up to the accrediting organization or the health dept to monitor. "
All true, however GA does have requirements for its Theraputic Boarding Schools.
Ones HLA has not followed.
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On 2005-11-16 21:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"****According to this website Georgia has no regulations requiring private schools to be licensed or accredited.
Is that surprising.... afterall, it is Ga.
****According to the Dept of Education for Georgia website they do require schools to provide a basic education in all main subjects and have students attend at least 180 days a year.
Given the intelligence level of the parents HLA deals with... it will probably never cross their minds to ask who monitors the therapeutic aspect of the program. Kudos. You guys are really just brilliant!! You did really good for yourselves. So much for the kids. "
What did you think HLA ever gave a shit about the kids? Hell no Buchi's favorite song is "It must be the money."
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I have to go to work shortly but let me see if I can answer some of your twists to my statements and your questions in a few minutes.
1) It is very easy to look up staff credentials. Go to their website and click on STAFF. It lists their degrees, etc.
2) You do assume way more than you know Robert. first of all I never slept around with a vagrant and Bill didnt divorce me or kick me out. It was a mutual decision by the two of us. Why we got divorced is none of your business but you can be assured that it was for none of your sick reasons.
3) I only stated what I found on websites about licensing and accrediation because everybody keeps on going on and on about how HLA is unlicensed and in fact its not even a requirement that they be licensed. So who do you fault there? The state of Georgia? Maybe thats where you need to petition the state reps. to change their requirements. And the slur against Georgia whoever posted that was ridiculous. Guess they arent familiar with the state.
4) I know for a fact that Dysfunction is full of shit about what I look like because he described me in a previous post awhile back totally inaccurately. He described me as mexican looking and ugly and overweight when in fact I am very fair skinned, with green eyes and look more italian than anything else. I am not mexican either. And I am not overweight and wasnt overweight then either. So, again, Steve is full of shit.
5) My intelligence has been thrown into this mess more than once. When have I ever talked about your intelligence or looks or morals Robert? Low blow, but considering the source, certainly not surprising.
6) Again, I have spoken to an attorney (NOT Marty) I told you I havent talked to him in 5 years. You don't have a case at all Robert. What I posted is not illegal, and was not obtained from any file. It came from my memory because I always remember people I meet who have my son's name. Its not a common name. There was also a girl named Devon that I met a few times. Whether or not the other kid named Devon remembers me or not is a moot point. My memory is not a confidential file either so a judge would laugh like hell at your presumption of what you just stated.
7) Yes I did progress reports and report cards, and I copied and mailed them. However, at that point I gave them to another lady in the office, I believe maybe it could have been Anne Strader, and she or another person put them in the main files. I did not have access to them to get any personal information. And I only did that for 10 months, and not during the time that kid Devon was at the school. I met him after I quit working parttime there.
:cool: And one more thing before I have to log off. Dr. Buccellato didn't need this school to make money from . He was doing just fine with his other school and private practice and the other businesses and things he was involved with. He did this because he felt he could better serve kids instead of sending them off to other schools. He designed a school that is part wilderness, (or was until Ridge Creek), part boarding school and part therapeutic. This particular school was designed with different purposes so to call it one thing or another exclusively is kind of difficult. You assume the man is without any morals and since I knew him for over 7 years, and you only knew him for a few months or a year or so, I do believe I know the man a little better than you.
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Susie,
Is tuition to HLA still being paid by insurance companies?
Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?
Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school?
How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?
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" I have to go to work shortly but let me see if I can answer some of your twists to my statements and your questions in a few minutes."
What was twisted around?
"1) It is very easy to look up staff credentials. Go to their website and click on STAFF. It lists their degrees, etc."
That is not a backround check, again how we do these ones arent fooling Buchi like the others did.
"3) I only stated what I found on websites about licensing and accrediation because everybody keeps on going on and on about how HLA is unlicensed and in fact its not even a requirement that they be licensed. So who do you fault there? The state of Georgia? Maybe thats where you need to petition the state reps. to change their requirements. And the slur against Georgia whoever posted that was ridiculous. Guess they arent familiar with the state. "
HLA is unlicensed weve gone over this time and again. HLA is not licesened as a theraputic boarding school when in fact they should be. Are you going to try and argue that they arent a theraputic boarding school?
I would love to hear that argument.
"4) I know for a fact that Dysfunction is full of shit about what I look like because he described me in a previous post awhile back totally inaccurately. He described me as mexican looking and ugly and overweight when in fact I am very fair skinned, with green eyes and look more italian than anything else. I am not mexican either. And I am not overweight and wasnt overweight then either. So, again, Steve is full of shit. "
Susie no one cares. You keep going on about this point that does not matter. The way you portray yourself on here is how you are percieved, thus you are a bullfrog.
"5) My intelligence has been thrown into this mess more than once. When have I ever talked about your intelligence or looks or morals Robert? Low blow, but considering the source, certainly not surprising. "
Again you have shown your own level of intelligence. You make stupid arguments, you evade topics you dont like, you call us liars and then when we do the same to you, you claim youre being attacked, you get painted into a corner and throw a pity party for yourself and try to manipulate the situation, and you are unwilling to back up any of your own statements.
How do you expect us to percieve you?
"6) Again, I have spoken to an attorney (NOT Marty) I told you I havent talked to him in 5 years. You don't have a case at all Robert. What I posted is not illegal, and was not obtained from any file. It came from my memory because I always remember people I meet who have my son's name. Its not a common name. There was also a girl named Devon that I met a few times. Whether or not the other kid named Devon remembers me or not is a moot point. My memory is not a confidential file either so a judge would laugh like hell at your presumption of what you just stated. "
Okay let me give you an idea of how your theory would hold up in a court of law.
Attorney: Devin at what point did you meet Mrs. Gray?
Devin: Ive never met her before today, while at HLA I didnt even know Bill was married.
Judge: Wait youre saying that you had never spoken to her while at HLA?
Devin: Thats correct your honor.
Judge: Well Mrs. Gray can you prove that youve met the boy prior to today? If not youll have to provide some other way of showing how you got his information.
Mrs. Gray:.....
Marty: Say something Susie.
Mrs. Gray: LMAO I can't be here right now. I have to take care of TWO disabled family members! DUH! Do you really think HLA would be accredited by the Georgia Southern Schools Association.
Judge: Answer the quesition mam'm your pratteling has nothing to do with the question.
Mrs. Gray: Stop telling half-truthas and exagerating! You havent been there in years, it's different now.
Judge: Baliffs restrain her.
And that about sums it up. Do you see the problem now? All Devin has to say is he never met you, and your explination is shot to hell. Espically since you cant prove you two ever really met, the only other way you would have gotten his information is from the student files which you had access to.
"7) Yes I did progress reports and report cards, and I copied and mailed them. However, at that point I gave them to another lady in the office, I believe maybe it could have been Anne Strader, and she or another person put them in the main files. I did not have access to them to get any personal information. And I only did that for 10 months, and not during the time that kid Devon was at the school. I met him after I quit working parttime there. "
How do you know? You claimed he was only there for three months, yet according to him that is not the case at all. So how do you know you are correct on the dates? You dont know because you never met the kid, he says so himself. You cant back out of this Susie.
"And one more thing before I have to log off. Dr. Buccellato didn't need this school to make money from . He was doing just fine with his other school and private practice and the other businesses and things he was involved with. He did this because he felt he could better serve kids instead of sending them off to other schools. He designed a school that is part wilderness, (or was until Ridge Creek), part boarding school and part therapeutic. This particular school was designed with different purposes so to call it one thing or another exclusively is kind of difficult. You assume the man is without any morals and since I knew him for over 7 years, and you only knew him for a few months or a year or so, I do believe I know the man a little better than you."
Youve known him longer than me yes, better no. You forget I never succombed to the same brainwashing techniques that you did. His only goal has ever been to steal has much money as possible with as little overhead as he can get away with. Also you claim that because in your mind HLA is such a mixture of different approaches you cant call it one thing over another. If thats the case why then does HLA tell the state its a traditional boarding school?
Get back to me on that one Susie.
Also I love how you still cant provide a real basis for why you randomly chose that student to believe was me. Afterall there had to be some connection in your mind. Lets hear it.
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Whoops forgot to shoot down this one.
"2) You do assume way more than you know Robert. first of all I never slept around with a vagrant and Bill didnt divorce me or kick me out. It was a mutual decision by the two of us. Why we got divorced is none of your business but you can be assured that it was for none of your sick reasons. "
Who assumed anything Mrs. Gray? I told you I neither knew nor cared why you got divorced. I told you if I had to guess it would be that you slept with a vagrant and fatass kicked you out. But thats just a guess, and one designed to goad you, nothing more.
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Ok heres my list of replies to your misleading answers:
1) You made the statement about me sleeping around and bill kicking me out and I responded that you assume alot. Any of those comments have what do to with the topic at hand??? Nothing. Why do you insist on going there then?
2) You said looking up the staff wasnt a background check. I never said it was. I said you could go to their website and look up what degrees they had, etc. And by the way both background checks and random drug testing are performed by the school, and were before I left also.
3)I have read many many websites about what Georgia requires and doesnt require, and I do not see anything that would suggest that the school is operating illegally based on what I have read or what I know. Therefore your statement that they operate illegally doesnt hold water. In addition, lawmakers are well aware of the school's status as well as the local county and board of education and not a single one has come forward to suggest that the school should be shut down. So what does that tell you Mr. Bruce? Tells me its operating legally.
4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not?
5)There is no pity party for myself. I have no pity for anybody on this board except you. My point in that statement was to bring up the fact that while I do not make it personal, you do.
6) Regarding the name of the student issue, just because the kid doesnt remember me has no weight whatsoever in a court of law. I remembered him, I never said we were "formally" introduced. He might not have known who I was when we met. It doesnt matter though, because I dont have to prove what I remember from memory. Its my memory, period. Its sort of a he said she said situation and once again, I have done nothing illegal whatsoever. I didnt gain his name from any file at all. I remembered it because that is my son's name (as I keep saying) and that is why it stuck in my mind. YOu keep asking me this and I keep telling you, I guess it just won't sink in.
7) I never claimed that the kid was there 3 months, I made up a number of months as a guess because I didnt think he was at the school that long from what I remembered.
:cool:you don't know what Dr. B's goals are. If it was money why did he shell out a ton of his OWN money to start the school? why did he tear down the old bldgs and build new bldgs in their place that were more comfortable and had prettier views and spaces if he didn't care about the students? NOne of that is cheap Mr. Bruce. I don't believe the school turned a profit for the first 5 or 6 yrs it existed. If his only goal was to make money I am sure there are much cheaper and easier ways to do it.
I think that is all the responses, but if I missed one I AM SURE you will point it out.
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"1) You made the statement about me sleeping around and bill kicking me out and I responded that you assume alot. Any of those comments have what do to with the topic at hand??? Nothing. Why do you insist on going there then? "
I dont you keep bringing it up, Im glad the issue is dropped now so we can focus on the more important illegal aspects of HLA. As you are not that important.
"2) You said looking up the staff wasnt a background check. I never said it was. I said you could go to their website and look up what degrees they had, etc. And by the way both background checks and random drug testing are performed by the school, and were before I left also. "
If thats the case then why would Buchi as you claim have ever been fooled by staff members with bogus degrees and people who routinley abused children both physicaly and sexually.
"3)I have read many many websites about what Georgia requires and doesnt require, and I do not see anything that would suggest that the school is operating illegally based on what I have read or what I know. Therefore your statement that they operate illegally doesnt hold water. In addition, lawmakers are well aware of the school's status as well as the local county and board of education and not a single one has come forward to suggest that the school should be shut down. So what does that tell you Mr. Bruce? Tells me its operating legally. "
Susie we could fill a library with the things you dont know.
Just give me a simple yes or no answer. Is HLA a theraputic boarding school?
If it is why isnt it licesned as one?
If its not what is it and why is therapy such a major part of not just addmission but day to day life at the school?
Lets see if you cant answer that simple question.
I doubt it.
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Susie,
Is tuition to HLA still being paid by insurance companies?
Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?
Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school?
How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?
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"4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not? "
Consenting single adults? What do I care about who he sleeps with? Not that Id take your word on anything concerning him. Remember how you went on and on about a big mac incident that you claimed almost got him fired, yet the incident was pulled directly from your ass and nothing concerning anything to do with what you were talking about ever happened to him. Remember that Mrs. Gray?
Further you have discussed at great length how much time you spent on campus during that point. Why wouldnt he have seen you. Im willing to bet he did and his description is right on, but again you arent important here Mrs. Gray and your looks dont matter. Lets focus on the things that do.
"5)There is no pity party for myself. I have no pity for anybody on this board except you. My point in that statement was to bring up the fact that while I do not make it personal, you do. "
You dont throw pity parties for yourself? How about just attempted guilt trips? How many times have you reminded us on here how you take care of TWO disabled family members? How many times Mrs. Gray? And why would you feel pity for me? Is it because I had to attend that child abusing institute? Dont worry bullfrog justice is being served. Oh can you explain to me how you refering to me as a "dipshit" isnt making it personal? :grin:
"6) Regarding the name of the student issue, just because the kid doesnt remember me has no weight whatsoever in a court of law. I remembered him, I never said we were "formally" introduced. He might not have known who I was when we met. It doesnt matter though, because I dont have to prove what I remember from memory. Its my memory, period. Its sort of a he said she said situation and once again, I have done nothing illegal whatsoever. I didnt gain his name from any file at all. I remembered it because that is my son's name (as I keep saying) and that is why it stuck in my mind. YOu keep asking me this and I keep telling you, I guess it just won't sink in. "
You really think so? If the kid doesnt remember you and claims he never met you, then youve got to provide another source for your information. You cant prove that you ever met him. So the only other source would be the student files, which you had access to. Releasing that information of course would be illegal. Now since you never met the kid what other explination can you offer? None.
Espically since you keep dodging the question concerning how you came to the concluscion that he and I were the same person. I know you dont want to answer that question because you dont have a bullshit explination available for it but the facts about your illegal actions remain the same. You are going to suffer the consequences. Is it sinking in?
You never met the kid and you got the information from a student file. Everyone knows this, youre the only one who believes your lies.
Remember Ive spoken to Devin, you havent..ever.
"7) I never claimed that the kid was there 3 months, I made up a number of months as a guess because I didnt think he was at the school that long from what I remembered. "
Actualy you did. Please refute this and have me post the link to the exact comment you made in which you claimed that I was Devin and I had been there for three months. Further you arent answering the original question. If you arent sure of the dates of the time he spent there how can you know for sure that you werent working during that time?
"you don't know what Dr. B's goals are. If it was money why did he shell out a ton of his OWN money to start the school? why did he tear down the old bldgs and build new bldgs in their place that were more comfortable and had prettier views and spaces if he didn't care about the students? NOne of that is cheap Mr. Bruce. I don't believe the school turned a profit for the first 5 or 6 yrs it existed. If his only goal was to make money I am sure there are much cheaper and easier ways to do it. "
Oh my how generous of him. Buchi supplied the students with better than substandard living conditions. What a saint. And youre right 80,000 dollars is reasonable when the amenities for the students include.......?
Shoot maybe you could list them off for me Susie.
He has only ever cared about the money, never the students.
"I think that is all the responses, but if I missed one I AM SURE you will point it out. "
Just still the same questions you keep evading.
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On 2005-11-17 11:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Susie,
Is tuition to HLA still being paid by insurance companies?
Are parents still taking tax write-offs for visits to see their 'disabled' child?
Might insurance companies feel a bit ripped off if they knew they were paying for tuition to a private boarding school?
How would the IRS feel about parents writing off expenses related to visits to their kid's private boarding school?
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Hes posted this question to you how many times now Susie?
Why cant you answer him?
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"4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not?"
Geez, lady, how you do stretch it (or pile it deeply, as it were)...
You say you "guess" I got my information from "pillow talk" and then use your admitted "guess" as bedrock fact to draw the conclusion that what I say is "hearsay"? That's some really twisted logic. I can see you've never been in debate club (or had any education on philosophy no doubt).
Let me just say a few things:
I have detailed what my role at HLA was many times before and anyone can look up my previous posts. I was involved in all of the planning meetings with all of the executive staff (your tubby hubby included). I was regularly consulted on policy and I wrote the employee manual.
I worked every day and many overnights/weekends with the kids in groups and one-on-one time outside of programmed activities (taking them fishing, going for hikes with my dog, shooting the shit about baseball, playing football and all kinds of other normal things kids like to do). I certainly do know what went on there.
You, however, I must reiterate, NEVER attended any meetings, NEVER worked with any children, NEVER saw a group, NEVER taught a class, and NEVER had any involvement with HLA other than licking some envelopes and stamps.
You also did not work there when I did, so your basis for drawing any conclusions about what I did or did not do is pretty tenuous and could ONLY be hearsay (like the story you made up about me nearly getting fired over a "hamburger incident" - this never happened and has absolutely no connection to reality).
I might also add that you were married to a staffer, so it might be a more logical conclusion that YOU rather than I, learned what little you know from "pillow talk."
That being said, I did have good relationships with many staffers and spent a lot of my personal time with some of them (and yes, did get it on with a few of the female staff- so what?). I lived in Buckhead in Atlanta and many of my coworkers would come down to go out to the bars or concerts or Braves/Falcons games and the like. Yes, I did learn a lot of tangential information from these events, but nothing from which I would initiate debate over policy and procedure - we talked more about particular kids and what was going on with them, not other staff - aside from the fact that almost none of these folks were in the same meetings/job function as I.
I certainly have enough first-hand knowledge to shoot holes through youe feeble-minded "arguments."
You need to get a life, Mrs. Gray. Seriously.
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On 2005-11-17 12:23:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
""4) You are right my appearance has nothing to do with the topic as hand, however, my statement about Steve (dysfunction ) not knowing about what I look like was to point out that ther are many things that Steve would like to have you think he knows, but in fact, is blowing quite a bit of smoke. That is my point in that. I can guess he got most of his supposed info not from his own experiences but from the "pillow talks" he had with the female staff in the less than one year he worked there. So, that in itself is hearsay is it not?"
Geez, lady, how you do stretch it (or pile it deeply, as it were)...
You say you "guess" I got my information from "pillow talk" and then use your admitted "guess" as bedrock fact to draw the conclusion that what I say is "hearsay"? That's some really twisted logic. I can see you've never been in debate club (or had any education on philosophy no doubt).
Let me just say a few things:
I have detailed what my role at HLA was many times before and anyone can look up my previous posts. I was involved in all of the planning meetings with all of the executive staff (your tubby hubby included). I was regularly consulted on policy and I wrote the employee manual.
I worked every day and many overnights/weekends with the kids in groups and one-on-one time outside of programmed activities (taking them fishing, going for hikes with my dog, shooting the shit about baseball, playing football and all kinds of other normal things kids like to do). I certainly do know what went on there.
You, however, I must reiterate, NEVER attended any meetings, NEVER worked with any children, NEVER saw a group, NEVER taught a class, and NEVER had any involvement with HLA other than licking some envelopes and stamps.
You also did not work there when I did, so your basis for drawing any conclusions about what I did or did not do is pretty tenuous and could ONLY be hearsay (like the story you made up about me nearly getting fired over a "hamburger incident" - this never happened and has absolutely no connection to reality).
I might also add that you were married to a staffer, so it might be a more logical conclusion that YOU rather than I, learned what little you know from "pillow talk."
That being said, I did have good relationships with many staffers and spent a lot of my personal time with some of them (and yes, did get it on with a few of the female staff- so what?). I lived in Buckhead in Atlanta and many of my coworkers would come down to go out to the bars or concerts or Braves/Falcons games and the like. Yes, I did learn a lot of tangential information from these events, but nothing from which I would initiate debate over policy and procedure - we talked more about particular kids and what was going on with them, not other staff - aside from the fact that almost none of these folks were in the same meetings/job function as I.
I certainly have enough first-hand knowledge to shoot holes through youe feeble-minded "arguments."
You need to get a life, Mrs. Gray. Seriously.
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hehehe git her paw.
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Steve everything you just posted is what you TELL us you did at the school. I for a fact know that you were not as important as you claimed to be, and in fact worked there for less than a year in the very beginning and when you left there were less than 40 students at the school. I also know for a fact that some of what you claim to have accomplished at the school, per your posts, is false. So tell me Steve, who is lying? It's not me.
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On 2005-11-17 13:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Steve everything you just posted is what you TELL us you did at the school. I for a fact know that you were not as important as you claimed to be, and in fact worked there for less than a year in the very beginning and when you left there were less than 40 students at the school. I also know for a fact that some of what you claim to have accomplished at the school, per your posts, is false. So tell me Steve, who is lying? It's not me."
As opposed to you who had almost zer o involvement with the school.
Of course youd know better. :grin:
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On 2005-11-17 13:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Steve everything you just posted is what you TELL us you did at the school. I for a fact know that you were not as important as you claimed to be, and in fact worked there for less than a year in the very beginning and when you left there were less than 40 students at the school. I also know for a fact that some of what you claim to have accomplished at the school, per your posts, is false. So tell me Steve, who is lying? It's not me."
Wait, wait, wait a minute. How can you say you know anything for a fact? You admit you didn't work there (at least not until years after) and never had any contact with DJ. Tell me now, isn't what you know HEARSAY? Isn't what you're saying the DEFINITION of hearsay?
YOU WERE NOT THERE, THEREFORE YOU CANNOT POSSIBLY KNOW ANYTHING. Isn't that the truth, Susie? Get a grip.
It's amusing how you try to demean someone by saying their knowledge is "hearsay" (YOUR SPECULATION), but you claim to know "the truth" because someone else told you or you "guessed" it? You're a fool. A thick-skulled, stubborn, lying fool. Only YOU believe you.
Please answer these questions:
1. Did you ever work with DJ?
2. Were you ever employed contemperaneously with DJ?
3. If the answer to these questions is "no," then how do explain your so-called knowledge about DJ?
I'll check back for your reply. Thanks!
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To say I had zero involvement is speculation is it not? I did attend planning meetings and employee retreat meetings. I talked personally with Dr. B many, many times about aspects of the school. After 1997 I was on campus every day. I was party to alot of information personally. Remember, I was there for 7 years, none of you were. To say Steve has more knowledge when he was only there what Steve, 9 months was it? 8 months maybe? Hmmm. Get back to me on that one.
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On 2005-11-17 16:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To say I had zero involvement is speculation is it not? I did attend planning meetings and employee retreat meetings. I talked personally with Dr. B many, many times about aspects of the school. After 1997 I was on campus every day. I was party to alot of information personally. Remember, I was there for 7 years, none of you were. To say Steve has more knowledge when he was only there what Steve, 9 months was it? 8 months maybe? Hmmm. Get back to me on that one."
Umm, so what about the questions asked before? Why won't you answer?
BTW, you're lying about attending planning meetings. you were a paper-folder and a stamp/envelope licker. Not to metion that in your previous posts, before you tried to hide/lie about your identity, you said you only did clerical work and also said you were NOT in meetings. Hmmm...story's changing again.
Answer the questions. Did you work with DJ? If not, how can you be doing anything other than speculating or passing on rumors?
And being at the schoolfrom 1997-2001 is four years not seven and as has been documented time and time again, you were never allowed to participate in any part of the program or work with any kids ever. Exactly how does that make you knowledgeable about the program? I'd say it makes you ignorant, not knowledgeable.
DJ helped to refine the program and to teach it to new hires. I know this because I was there. I don't recall ever having seen you at any meetings or functions or parties or anything, ever. When we got there there were fewer than 10 employees and you were not one of them.
Hmm, why would Dr. B want to meet with a stamp licker about policy? Not much sense in that statement.
Why don't you get honest and say that you've never met DJ, never talked to DJ, don't know anything about DJ, never worked with DJ, didn't work at hla when DJ did and couldn't pick DJ out of a lineup. What you expect to us to believe is that two years after DJ left hla and moved out of georgia that he was so unimportant to hla that everyone was still talking about him two years after he left? He must have left quite an impression, no?
I just don't understand how you claim to know anything about someone who you never met and was gone for two years before you ever got there. Are you a time traveller or a clairvoyant? No, no you're not. You're a run-of-the-mill liar who's whole life is so petty and empty that she has to invent tales about people who she never even met and claim to know everything about them so that she may look a little less stupid. Honey, it ain't workin'.
And FWIW DJ is a very smart, very aggressive businessman (also very handsome and funny) with a record of getting to the top. He's been the General Manager of a large communications company, the VP of a broadband company and has two masters degrees. This is a man who hasn't spent any time at any job at the bottom of the food chain, I can tell you that for a fact. What were you at 28 years old? Knocked up? Living in some back-ass hick town? He was running a 20 million dollar company. Yeah, lady, you're the real go-getter out of the two of you.
Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you he was there for nearly two years. I should know, I left a month after he did.
Looks like you can't even get the basics right.
KI
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Of course there is his statement that he started at Daytop in early 95...if he was at Daytop in 1995 how could he have worked at HLA for 2 yrs when it started in 1994? That math doesnt add up. And I didnt say I attended the meetings with counselors on campus did I. How do you know I didnt attend meetings off campus with Dr. B personally? You don't. So quit calling me a liar. He worked there less than 2 yrs but I am sorry you don't remember that. And the 4 years was when I lived on campus, but I was associated with the school for 7 years because my husband was the first employee hired. got any more?
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Oh and by the way, at the age of 28 I was living in a 4 bedroom house on my own had already owned and sold one home and the following year bought a 2nd home, was a loan specialist at a large mortgage company in Atlanta, and was nowhere near the person you describe. I bought my first home at the age of 20 and had my first job at the age of 16. Nice try though, very creative.
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And one more thing......Hello Kristen.
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On 2005-11-17 16:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To say I had zero involvement is speculation is it not? I did attend planning meetings and employee retreat meetings. I talked personally with Dr. B many, many times about aspects of the school. After 1997 I was on campus every day. I was party to alot of information personally. Remember, I was there for 7 years, none of you were. To say Steve has more knowledge when he was only there what Steve, 9 months was it? 8 months maybe? Hmmm. Get back to me on that one."
When you say you were on campus every day you mean you were tucked into a corner somewhere and no interaction whatsoever with any students at all, thus you have no clue how the school was run or what went on.
Would that be a fair assesement? Yes probably.
Also tell me why you a low level peon would be invited or involved in planning meetings, and why Buchi would turn to you to discuss aspects of the school. I mean the man may be a greedy con artist, but he is still a doctor. Hes much smarter than you and as all people are smarter than you, they recognize your stupidity and lack of insight on anything. In reality you ignored the aspects of the school that made you feel guilty, and were just to oblivious to recognize the others.
Dysfunction on the other hand was privy to much more information than you, as he authored a majority of the schools initial policy. Fortunatly for him he didnt succomb the same brainwashing you did, and is a better person for it.
Get back to the issue of the school licensure though, Im interested to hear your (ahem) thoughts.
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On 2005-11-17 18:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Of course there is his statement that he started at Daytop in early 95...if he was at Daytop in 1995 how could he have worked at HLA for 2 yrs when it started in 1994? That math doesnt add up. And I didnt say I attended the meetings with counselors on campus did I. How do you know I didnt attend meetings off campus with Dr. B personally? You don't. So quit calling me a liar. He worked there less than 2 yrs but I am sorry you don't remember that. And the 4 years was when I lived on campus, but I was associated with the school for 7 years because my husband was the first employee hired. got any more?"
This doesnt change the fact that you had zero interaction with the students and thus had no clue as to what was going on.
To say you did makes you a liar.
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On 2005-11-17 18:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh and by the way, at the age of 28 I was living in a 4 bedroom house on my own had already owned and sold one home and the following year bought a 2nd home, was a loan specialist at a large mortgage company in Atlanta, and was nowhere near the person you describe. I bought my first home at the age of 20 and had my first job at the age of 16. Nice try though, very creative."
This matters why? Who gives a shit about you Mrs. Gray? No one, we are interested in showing casing the atrocities that HLA committs, not your life story. So save the story about how you lost your virginity to a mechanical bull, cause really Mrs. Gray as I said before you arent important.
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Kristen asked me what I was doing when I was 28, I answered her. I don't care whether you give a shit or not Robert. I was answering her.
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On 2005-11-17 19:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Kristen asked me what I was doing when I was 28, I answered her. I don't care whether you give a shit or not Robert. I was answering her."
I see, so instead of answering any of her questions relating to the fact that Dysfunction was in fact an employee who mattered at HLA whereas you were nothing and zero to do with anything other than perhaps ordering more stamps, you instead focus on one sentence of one line.
Again typical staff behavior, cant address the real issue so just make up a new one.
HAHAH Youre such a coward.
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I didnt answer every one of her statements because I was in the middle of doing something else and didnt have time, not that I give a damn whether or not you care if I answered every single post or not. When I have the time to I will.
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On 2005-11-17 20:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I didnt answer every one of her statements because I was in the middle of doing something else and didnt have time, not that I give a damn whether or not you care if I answered every single post or not. When I have the time to I will. "
No you wont, dont lie. Youre a coward youll never answer all the questions put to you, because you know to answer them truthfully would anger your boss, and you arent smart enough or creative enough to come up with believable lies.
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You talking about Eugene?
I worked there 1995 in ADU...
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Dysfunction Junction
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Oh, ok. Two new drunks/pill poppers. I was gone by the end of 1996. Eugene was the director in '95 and was "reassigned" and replaced by "acting director" Lanza.
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KI's Post from earlier:
"Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you he was there for nearly two years. I should know, I left a month after he did. "
And below are his posts regarding when DJ worked at Daytop. Now, since we know that Hidden Lake was established in July-August of 1994, and DJ worked at Daytop in 1995 until the end of 1996, that claim of him working at HLA for 2 years is just a little bit exagerated dontcha think Kristen? So, now who's lying? I stand by my statement. DJ wasn't at the school for any length of time close to two years and was there at the very very beginning when there were hardly any students and no new buildings or facilities. It was just getting off the ground and getting established. His sense of being OH SO IMPORTANT at the school is a little off. Just wanted to make that point.
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Is that you Bullfrog?
We can we expect you to get back to some of those other questions?
Or are you going to predictably say:
"What questions? Ive answered everything put to me."
Suprise me this time Susie and just try and answer them.
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On 2005-11-16 09:54:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"So.....tell me this boys, who is full of shit now?"
:lol:
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On 2005-10-13 06:15:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"Who is Mrs. Gray? I posted a few of the previous posts to Overlordd but I am not a Mrs. Gray. You have me confused with somebody else."
YOU have YOU confused with somebody else. Lord, you are twisted, Cybill.
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On 2005-11-15 09:00:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"Quite a few times you have said posts were mine when they weren't. I would guess only about 15 % of them are actually mine."
...and the rest were my multiple personalities.
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On 2005-11-15 09:45:00, SHH Anon Classics wrote:
"Most of my posts I made it pretty damn clear who I was."
"I just wanted to point out that a lot of posts you think are mine, are not, to point out your ignorance..."
::soapbox::
Too funny.
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The following post is originally from 2 pages or so back in this thread, on Thu Nov 17 2005. The portion relevant to my post is towards the end of it (highlighted in red).
I have to go to work shortly but let me see if I can answer some of your twists to my statements and your questions in a few minutes.
1) It is very easy to look up staff credentials. Go to their website and click on STAFF. It lists their degrees, etc.
2) You do assume way more than you know Robert. first of all I never slept around with a vagrant and Bill didnt divorce me or kick me out. It was a mutual decision by the two of us. Why we got divorced is none of your business but you can be assured that it was for none of your sick reasons.
3) I only stated what I found on websites about licensing and accrediation because everybody keeps on going on and on about how HLA is unlicensed and in fact its not even a requirement that they be licensed. So who do you fault there? The state of Georgia? Maybe thats where you need to petition the state reps. to change their requirements. And the slur against Georgia whoever posted that was ridiculous. Guess they arent familiar with the state.
4) I know for a fact that Dysfunction is full of shit about what I look like because he described me in a previous post awhile back totally inaccurately. He described me as mexican looking and ugly and overweight when in fact I am very fair skinned, with green eyes and look more italian than anything else. I am not mexican either. And I am not overweight and wasnt overweight then either. So, again, Steve is full of shit.
5) My intelligence has been thrown into this mess more than once. When have I ever talked about your intelligence or looks or morals Robert? Low blow, but considering the source, certainly not surprising.
6) Again, I have spoken to an attorney (NOT Marty) I told you I havent talked to him in 5 years. You don't have a case at all Robert. What I posted is not illegal, and was not obtained from any file. It came from my memory because I always remember people I meet who have my son's name. Its not a common name. There was also a girl named Devon that I met a few times. Whether or not the other kid named Devon remembers me or not is a moot point. My memory is not a confidential file either so a judge would laugh like hell at your presumption of what you just stated.
7) Yes I did progress reports and report cards, and I copied and mailed them. However, at that point I gave them to another lady in the office, I believe maybe it could have been Anne Strader, and she or another person put them in the main files. I did not have access to them to get any personal information. And I only did that for 10 months, and not during the time that kid Devon was at the school. I met him after I quit working parttime there.
:cool: And one more thing before I have to log off. Dr. Buccellato didn't need this school to make money from . He was doing just fine with his other school and private practice and the other businesses and things he was involved with. He did this because he felt he could better serve kids instead of sending them off to other schools. He designed a school that is part wilderness, (or was until Ridge Creek), part boarding school and part therapeutic. This particular school was designed with different purposes so to call it one thing or another exclusively is kind of difficult. You assume the man is without any morals and since I knew him for over 7 years, and you only knew him for a few months or a year or so, I do believe I know the man a little better than you.
Was this Anne Strader perchance married to a Mike Strader, who worked as a "wilderness counselor" at HLA around that time?
I came across the following brief bio for Mike (http://http://www.shortridgeacademy.com/home.asp?Page=Faculty%20and%20Staff) on (CEDU-offshoot) Shortridge Academy's site:
MIKE STRADER, Counselor
As a graduate of Rocky Mountain Academy himself, Mike pursued a career in mentoring and counseling youth. He brings nine years of experience in therapeutic education, beginning with his counseling experience as a Wilderness Counselor at Hidden Lake Academy in Georgia. Mike enhanced his career by becoming a Program Mentor and advancing to the level of Assistant Phase Leader for the lower school phase at Mount Bachelor Academy (MBA) in Oregon. In his last three years at MBA, he served in a role equivalent to Dean of Students as he led special projects, supported all phases and counselors, and facilitated emotional growth workshops. In recognition for his leadership, commitment, and work ethic, he was honored with the Dedication Award. He further developed his skills with youth by working with law enforcement as a Community Service Police Officer in San Bruno, CA. In his spare time, Mike is pursuing certification as an Emergency Medical Technician. Mike is also the coach of Shortridge Academy’s traveling soccer team.
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"... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy." -Alex Carey
"The most effective way to restrict democracy is to transfer decision-making from the public arena to unaccountable institutions: kings and princes, priestly castes, military juntas, party dictatorships, or modern corporations." -Noam Chomsky
The themes that have been prominent in our lives over the past two decades, and even more so those that have surfaced as a result of the Bush Administration; have been more amplified in our every day lives, social discourse and the media due to the importance and truly historical nature of the upcoming presidential elections. Of course, the fact that the economy is teetering on the edge of collapse and the horrendous foreign policies in themselves have been important, with or without the elections. So as i've recently dug deeper and researched many of these issues, many of them reminded me of HLA.
I think programs like HLA probably owe a lot of gratitude to President Clinton's policies and transformations that gave rise to Capitalism on this huge scale. The aftermath of these policies has been corruption on a wide scale, that has affected everything from schools, law enforcement, corporations and government (since corporations and special interests are in affect the ones pulling the strings. HLA is no exception. It's quite obvious that we're all thought of as consumers and objects to these big companies, as that was kind of the point. The idea behind it is to give people the freedom (really still in a very limited way) to live as they please and choose products as we want. And of course parents are sold this horrible idea of these boarding schools like HLA, and give their child's liberties and rights up in the process.
After September 11th, Bush passed The Patriot Act only because it was expected of them so that Bush would have powers to "protect our national security" and be able to react with military response to the terrorist attacks. The Patriot Act is almost 400 pages long and Congress was given about 5 hours to read it; so naturally it was never read before passed. (If you don't know what the Patriot Act is you should probably check that out due to it's complete disregard of the constitution and erodes our freedom and basic rights). Now enter the bill 1959: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. This basically builds upon the Patriot Act, but now any U.S. citizen can be named a terrorist by these standards, just for disagreeing with the government and expressing free speech. Basically it suspends the law and they can perform wiretaps, raid your home, detain you and place you in prison without a trial or any evidence whatsoever. The president can also declare Martial Law. Troops and law enforcement have been practicing this for quite some time, actually. A good book on this that is good for the average reader on the subject is “The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot” by Naomi Wolf. There has already been imprisonment of our own citizens with no evidence, who have been taken to places like Guantanamo Bay and subjected to inhumane treatment and interrogation methods.
These are all somewhat reminiscent of the rules and lifestyle at HLA (of course the government level is quite more extreme in nature as it affects the entire country on such a grand scale, and Guantanamo is obviously by far worse). I think the parallels are quite interesting and surely alarming.
And although we're already not in a very good position due to the corruption and deception by the Bush administration, at least we're not all sitting around still arguing whether or not what they've done is wrong. We all know it, it's undeniable to anyone with any type of intelligence and/or decency whatsoever. It's also obvious that what HLA has done is completely wrong and inexcusable and there should be no reason for people to still be arguing about whether or not it was oppressive, abusive, deceptive, and is corrupt should no longer be subject buying into the petty arguments with crazy immoral people who defend such a cause in these forums. I posted something here a whole ago about my experience at HLA and how horrible and absolutely illegal and how wrong I, as well as many others, were treated. If somehow these weird defenders of this Academy on the website are still in denial and would like me to share it, I'll be glad to.
One thing I didn't talk much about was the quality, of lack thereof, of the education at HLA. During an entire semester of algebra 2, we covered about 1 1/2 chapters (that's being rather generous), and went over the basics of factoring a few basic types of binomials and polynomials- using only one method (the one that's usually taught first- trial and error). If you think that is somehow good education or qualifies as an algebra 2 course in high school, then nobody should take you seriously. There was more material covered in the trigonometry course, but it still wasn't nearly up to par and definitely did not cover all of the required material. The biology class failed to even give mention to the most fundamental concept or part of biology- evolution. And of course, the material covered was no where near acceptable. And the most ridiculous part was without a doubt the world history class. There, we read from the Qur'an, were forced to learn arabic and given tests weekly on it, and watched a good amount of videos of muslims praying in other parts of the world. They weren't so much about the history of the religion as much as they were just showing the beliefs, lifestyle and rules. This was the main focus of this class. We brushed over some other things very quickly , but basically didn't spend a whole lot of time on everything else. We even made posters about the festival of Ramadan and all of the rules and pillars and what not. Of course learning about history of major monotheisms is important, in the context of history and how it affected different events and cultures. I think it was pretty inappropriate. Oh, and another thing about this religion problem is that on Sundays we often had a Rabbi come to talk to us, which was mandatory. Even restrictions got to join in on that. I respect your religion, but this is pretty unacceptable. A few times a native american came to talk about his spiritual/religious views, but it was usually the former who visited. Separation of church and state, anyone? But obviously that shouldn't apply to HLA, where freedom of speech, liberty, equality and many others of our most basic rights don't prevail.
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I want to add something to my post above... I'm really not against capitalism in general, there just needs to be some kind of balance and more ethics investigations on everything. For the government to set it up to give the people more freedom and then allow all of the unethical behavior to go unnoticed, it goes right back to being harmful for society. The fact that corporate lobbyists have so much power over government and policy is most certainly destructive.
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Hey buddy, I think I recognize your style. How ya been?
There has already been imprisonment of our own citizens with no evidence, who have been taken to places like Guantanamo Bay and subjected to inhumane treatment and interrogation methods.
These are all somewhat reminiscent of the rules and lifestyle at HLA (of course the government level is quite more extreme in nature as it affects the entire country on such a grand scale, and Guantanamo is obviously by far worse). I think the parallels are quite interesting and surely alarming.
And more than coincidental. I don't know who all is connected w/ HLA, CEDU, Palmer, Teen Challenge etc. but Straight, Inc. definitely went after the military brass agressively, especially in Virginia. I know of two Str8 vets that both did tours of duty in Guantanamo and Abu Graib. We also know they were doing medical research pretty openly by the mid 80's because they had an official director of medical research named Richard Schwartz. And I know this faction of the broader cult had great influence in DC as far back as `84 because Reagan appointed a totally unqualified Str8 parent, Donald Ian MacDonald, as head of the ONDCP in `87. Here's his biographical sketch showing the progression from joining that cult in Clearwater to a catapult to the halls of power in just a couple of short years:
http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/s ... 20287c.htm (http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1987/020287c.htm)
Yeah, I'd say the powers that be know very well that they're using the same methods on enemy combatants as they do to stepfordize their own kids. What's more, I think they believe with full faith that they're doing the right thing. That's the scary part, that's why they'll torment us without end cause they do so with the leave of their own conscience.
I'm really not against capitalism in general, there just needs to be some kind of balance and more ethics investigations on everything. For the government to set it up to give the people more freedom and then allow all of the unethical behavior to go unnoticed, it goes right back to being harmful for society. The fact that corporate lobbyists have so much power over government and policy is most certainly destructive.
The best and most effective means of investigating anything is for the end consumer to do their own investigation. Few people do that anymore because, for generations now, we've labored under the illusion that some certification, licensing or other big brother agency is doing all the checking for is. These agencies and organizations, however well intended, are just not capable of making sound, sane consumer choices on a case by case basis as they need to be made. All they really accomplish is to concentrate that power into a few hands, which are always out for a gift from the lobbyists and to use that power to squeeze out any competition to their own cronies.
I saw this play out when I was a young struggling mother. In Florida, daycare was not seriously regulated when my eldest was a baby. It took me about 5 tries to find really good, affordable day-care for her, but it did exist. Seven years later, after a few years of Hillary's help, all the mom-n-pop operations had been put out of business. KinderCare was just about the only game in town. They SUCKED! Oh, sure they had the proper kind of flooring and wall treatments and the required square footage and certifications and licenses and all that bullshit. But there is no requirement anywhere in all that regulation for the people who work there to be people of quality who enjoy children and are good at taking care of them and keeping them happy and civil. And it cost over half my paycheck to use their services. But, of course, there's a safety net built into the whole Stalinist dream. One could sign up for income based child care through a county office, go on a six week waiting list and be assigned a daycare slot on the other side of the county for about what I had been paying for really good day care in our own neighborhood.
We have reached a point in our society where most people are domesticated like farm animals. They lack the natural instincts, habits and skills to look out for their own interests or those of their own young.
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Hey Everyone, your posts have been so helpful lately. If anyone has been keeping up with the message board lately, they know I am a former employee of HLA. I have discussed some details with previous employers and professors in detail about advice. I have someone suggesting looking into the Division of Youth Services in Georgia. Any advice if this is appropriate or good? Also, and wrote an Email with details about what made me leave the school and my professor is forwarding it on to the Ethics chair Head in New Jersey for more advice and hopefully a reference of this chair head in GA. My professor told me this woman actually just published an article about therapeutic boarding schools and their inefficacy. More input would be helpful, thank you.
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Hey buddy, I think I recognize your style. How ya been?
I haven't posted on here in a pretty long time so you're probably thinking of someone else?
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http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/phil ... _evil.html (http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html)
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I accidently said that the torture interrogation methods employed at places like Guantanamo affect the entire country... I meant world, lol. (That was clearly a ridiculous mistake because those places aren't even in the US, and because that wouldn't only affect citizens of a single country.)
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accidentally*