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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on October 01, 2005, 08:15:00 PM
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Hey Everyone,
Its been a while ( A long time). A lot has happened I am now
separated from my wife trust me its a good thing LOL!My daughter and I
spend alot more time together and she is adjusting to this nicely...
Thank God!! Any way on to my question...
When I went into st8 Iknow fro a fact that I didn't have a full blown
addiction problem. Yes I experimented Blah Blah Blah... The problem
didnt really start till after I left there trust me it became huge. As
I stated here I really believe that st8 is and always will be a drug
addict factory.Convince brainwash whatever that they are druggies and
st8 will have a never ending supply of product. Sad but true. I have
been clean thru NA for the last 16 years. Has anyone been clean fro a
long time and started smokeing and drinking again with out the st8
induced horror stories? I ask because I would really just like to hang
out and act like everyone eles. I am so sick of this life style. On
the other hand I am really scared by relapsing. Please excuse the term
butt ... can anyone relate?
Thanks
May Flower Rich
st8 pow 82-83
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Totally Brother, AA sucks. No-one wants to live like that. Jus' Be cool 'n' you are cool...
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What's Up ??
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It sounds like you are just really scared of all the stories of that leading to jails, institutions, or death. The good news is, that's all a load. Especially if you haven't done anything in that long, seriously it sounds like it's time for you to graduate :wink:
That's how you really graduate AA, you realize you don't need to be there in spite of everything you hear.
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Soon after I was terminated/withdrawn,at 14yrs old .. I made the personal choice to go to AA for alot of reasons. I didn't fit in NA , because I just didnt have that much to talk about as far as drugs.. woopie my 3 times I smoked pot... So I choose to try AA. Remember I was 14 and fresh out of a 6.5 month first phase of sitting on my hands and being harshly restrained almost daily ..Brainwashed that all my old friends would kill me w/ DRUGS! So honestly I was afraid to hang out w/ people I knew from before Straight.. so I needed new friends ,so I went to AA.. all the time for years..I knew at 14, I couldn't make smart coices, Straight told me I was incapable..
I won't go into my thoughts on AA..Since it's highly controversial here, But I will say I believe it to be alot like Straight in the outside world. I had good times and bad.. was loved and abused by people from AA...so eh..w/e I knew the whole time I was going to meetings I wasn't an alcohlic , I just wanted someplace to hang out that my parents let me go, lol. So...
At age 20 or so, I also decided it was time to be like everyone around me, just plain normalish. I was married and my husband drank beer sometimes. One Bday party we had for him, I chose to have a few beers, after almost 7 yrs in AA and completely sober. It was ok, not extrordinary.I had no residual feelings at all. Severel months after occasional drinking seemed fine , I called my best friend from middle and HSchool and asked if she'd smoke w/ me.. That was ok too. None of it has every been a problem or caused an issue in my life .So now I drink and smoke on occasion (smoke more often than drink)
I'm in no way saying you should do it tho. I knew from the beginning it was never a problem for me. And as you stated in your post, Apparently at some point in your life it was a problem ? Or I misread that. So my situation may be very diffrent than yours. and in the end only you know what is true for you.
I will agree tho... from what I have seen, people don't have drug or alcohol problems, People have life problems... I was never powerless over anything but other people and redtape. But that's only my truth...
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Drugs are a tool.
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Thanks a lot for your reply! Im still hesitant! Its really hard to let go of the programming. What was it like for you?
Rich
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Not sure how to explain it, it was just a natrual moving forward kind of thing. No huge thinking before hand or residual feelings after/during.. It just flowed natrually
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Did it ever get out of hand for you?
Rich
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No, I go thru periods where I smoke more often.. but never out of hand like > effected my life horribly. but remember there was never a time in my life before or after straight when it was an issue..or a need..
Now I smoke because I like the awareness it allows me of myself. It makes me think alot about how the world works and how I and all people effect their surrondings.. It makes me feel at peace w/ nature and the world around me , because I can see more clearly or something. In some ways it helps to ground and center my energy. It's also like it widens my bounderies of reailty allowing me to see/understand more than w/o.
Remember native people used these same substances for awareness, clarity of vision and personal growth. I suppose that is why I prefer to smoke rather than drink.. Alcohol just is so un natrual to me as it was to the native peoples. There are some alternatives herbally tho, and may be a wise choice at first..PM me if you'd like, I don't bite :razz:
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On 2005-10-01 17:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey Everyone,
Its been a while ( A long time). A lot has happened I am now
separated from my wife trust me its a good thing LOL!My daughter and I
spend alot more time together and she is adjusting to this nicely...
Thank God!! Any way on to my question...
When I went into st8 Iknow fro a fact that I didn't have a full blown
addiction problem. Yes I experimented Blah Blah Blah... The problem
didnt really start till after I left there trust me it became huge. As
I stated here I really believe that st8 is and always will be a drug
addict factory.Convince brainwash whatever that they are druggies and
st8 will have a never ending supply of product. Sad but true. I have
been clean thru NA for the last 16 years. Has anyone been clean fro a
long time and started smokeing and drinking again with out the st8
induced horror stories? I ask because I would really just like to hang
out and act like everyone eles. I am so sick of this life style. On
the other hand I am really scared by relapsing. Please excuse the term
butt ... can anyone relate?
Hey Rich... Sorry to hear about your divorce. Been there myself, and yes, sometimes it is for the best.
Your question is a tricky one. If you've had a serious problem in the past, then I'd proceed with caution if you're trying to introduce something back into your life - even in moderation - during a time of extreme change and stress.
What social things did you enjoy while you were married?
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The last one was me.
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Anon, I agree w/ you about the Program being a addict factory. And therein lies the rub. I guess you're probably around 40 by now and have a lifelong habit of believing that if you take one drink or just one toke it'll set you on an inexorable path to destruction. That's a pretty potent spell to cast upon yourself. Add to that that you have no experience practicing or even thinking about moderate, responsible use. That's a double hex.
I'd suggest you read up on Stanton Peele and Jeff Shaler's persepctives of the issue. Between the two of them, they blow to pieces the myths of the stepcult w/o underplaying the real risks involved in recreational use of psychotropics.
It's all about what you believe. Drunk or sober, stoned or straight, you're going to do whatever you believe you will. Revelation indeed had no weight with me.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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When I stopped going, it was greatly helped by a book I read called, how alcoholics anonymous failed me. She knew exactly how I was feeling, and described how she came to realize AA wasn't helping her any longer. I would recommend checking this out to hear about someone who went through leaving the facist regime personally.
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Rich,
I agree w/ the other posters, you must take caution. I was just letting you know I have had a simalar experience and what my choices were and how that turned out for me. I am in no way saying you should run out and do a bunch of stuff you may regret.
I will have to agree many people who have gone to AA for years are addicted to the program and the people there. If you are active in your program now, stopping suddenly will have it's own kind of withdraws and effects. I was addicted to the program myself for several years after Straight.
Wishing you peace through your process :smile:
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I agree, it's really hard socially too because you make all sort of friends there, and when you decide to drink, even occasionally, of course there's talking and speculation that goes with that. That you're in a bad place etc etc, which is hard to hear from people that you consider to be friends. They may also fear for their own sobriety by continuing to hang out with you. So, it's definitley more involved than just deciding not to go one anymore one day.
So, do what they say, and take it "one day at a time"!! :wink:
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On 2005-10-03 07:42:00, Antigen wrote:
"Anon, I agree w/ you about the Program being a addict factory. And therein lies the rub. I guess you're probably around 40 by now and have a lifelong habit of believing that if you take one drink or just one toke it'll set you on an inexorable path to destruction. That's a pretty potent spell to cast upon yourself. Add to that that you have no experience practicing or even thinking about moderate, responsible use. That's a double hex.
I'd suggest you read up on Stanton Peele and Jeff Shaler's persepctives of the issue. Between the two of them, they blow to pieces the myths of the stepcult w/o underplaying the real risks involved in recreational use of psychotropics.
It's all about what you believe. Drunk or sober, stoned or straight, you're going to do whatever you believe you will.
:tup: