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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 03:29:00 PM

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 03:29:00 PM

It was filed with the court on Monday September 26, 2005.  It is now a matter of public record.

Anyone who wants a copy of it can obtain it by contacting the Clerk of the Court 727.464.3000, Circut Court Records case number 03-6649-ci-013

They do charge a fee for the copies.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 03:32:00 PM

Burn in hell, Betty, you shriveled old cunt!!!!!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 03:37:00 PM

Did you get your copy?!? Was there any mention of Straight in her deposition, and by this I mean something or anything actually substantiating other than things like, "Yes, I created Straight. Yes, we had kids there."???

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 03:38:00 PM

I ask b/c I want to get a copy of the deposition but I don't want to pay unless its got juice on it. You dig? What the fuck do I otherwise care about some bitches deposition? I don't. Unless its got the goods on it. Specifically, did she answer to the abuses that happened at Straight Inc. Fuck the court system if she didn't answer directly questions that would pertain to Straight, cos otherwise its a case about penis pump.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 04:54:00 PM

Straight is repeatedly mentioned.

Betty lied many times througout her deposition.

but that's all I'll say, pay for it yourself and enjoy.

Many more surprises in it than I will share, get off your lazy ass and get yourself a copy.

Oh by the way one of the surpise's is on page 98 - 101 regarding Miller Netwon, have a nice day

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Botched Programming on September 27, 2005, 04:56:00 PM

You should scan it and post it for all to see.

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 04:56:00 PM

If you think you are upset with the Semblers at this point. your going to be really angry at them when your done reading that deposition.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on September 27, 2005, 05:01:00 PM

Post it!!!(if you can)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 27, 2005, 09:29:00 PM

Hey, whoever knows what court or wherefrom I can get that deposition for myself on my own postage stamp or credit card, post it here, please. I gotta have that. I will get the damn thing scanned, just make it easy where to find it, okay? Thank you ever so very very much. :)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on September 27, 2005, 10:29:00 PM

First post in this thread.

They know that it is human nature to take up causes whereby a man may oppress his neighbor, no matter how unjustly. ... Hence they have had no trouble in finding men who would preach the damnability and heresy of the new doctrine from the very pulpit.
--Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2005, 11:34:00 AM

Contact Clerk of the Circut Court 727.464.3000
ask for Circut Civil Court Records provide them with this case number 03-6649-ci-013, I would post it myself but don't know how.

Oh near the end, it gets into stuff about Miller Newton your going to be surprised what Betty has to say about that, she really destorys any "credibility" she had.

She is ruined now.  How can anybody take her seriously on "drug policy" issues after hearing what she has to say?

Betty was also shown a picture of the penis pump, she had no idea what it was.  Sounded pretty funny to me.

She was making things up as she spoke.

Wait till you see what she had to say about everyones claims of abuse.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2005, 01:33:00 PM

I have it and will post it shortly

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2005, 03:31:00 PM

KEWL!!!!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2005, 03:45:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-09-28 08:34:00, Anonymous wrote:




Oh near the end, it gets into stuff about Miller Newton your going to be surprised what Betty has to say about that, she really destorys any "credibility" she had.

Bring on the good hate!!!!!!!!! :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 28, 2005, 07:16:00 PM

put down that joint and post it damn-it...............

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on September 28, 2005, 09:26:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-09-28 10:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have it and will post it shortly"

... :skull:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Deprogrammed on September 28, 2005, 09:31:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-09-28 10:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have it and will post it shortly"

Why wait? It is public knowledge right?
-DP :smokin:

God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 01:31:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-09-28 10:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have it and will post it shortly"

Thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 02:56:00 AM

http://www.straightincarchives.com (http://www.straightincarchives.com)

See "B S Depo..."

Thanks to Ginger for posting that.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: sammiegirl on September 29, 2005, 09:03:00 AM

Thank you Rich Bradbury You are my IDOL. Peace be w/ you you finaly got to stand betty up! Wahoo!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: linchpin on September 29, 2005, 10:25:00 AM

Wow straight hired some really uneducated people..case in point: The Sibling Intake file..
 Whoever typed that memo couldnt even spell simple words like "Doubt" correctly..
 That looks really bad on official letter head memos.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 10:44:00 AM

Just a question.  There seems to be many pages missing, are you still in the process of uploading them? Is there anyway to open one document and read the depo page by page? Can this be done with a pdf reader? On my computer it's displayed through quicktime.

Thanks again to all involved!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: linchpin on September 29, 2005, 11:14:00 AM

yah it seems incomplete and I didnt see anything of interest in the posted files..

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 11:25:00 AM

Full deposition about 101 pages to be posted shortly in PDF format.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 11:27:00 AM

Fantastic!!

Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on September 29, 2005, 12:08:00 PM

Whoa, it's there! Haven't read it yet, but looks like a complete copy in pdf format at http://www.straightincarchives.com/ (http://www.straightincarchives.com/)

I just put in an index for easy browsing:

http://www.straightincarchives.com/anon ... erDepo.htm (http://www.straightincarchives.com/anonanon/docs/straight/BettySemblerDepo.htm)

sunday school: A prison in which children do penance for the evil conscience of their parents.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher

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Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 01:58:00 PM

Hope everyone enjoys

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 03:12:00 PM

Wow----thanks for posting the BS deposition.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 03:34:00 PM

Been reading through it. Wow, amazing.

One of the best quotes or questions.........

Q. "He also makes a comment that some Dutch policy official referred to Straight participants as Hitler Jungen, which I assume means youth. Did you notice that in there?

A. No, I didn't

Q. It's in the first paragraph on page 3. "

The whole document is amazing, all the times they mention feeling threatend, even by Tribach.

They are threatend by anyone with a different opinion. Wow how weak they must be. Also very happy to hear your loosing sleep, join the fucking club Betty. Hell it's been 25 years and I'm still loosing sleep from it at times. I still wake up a few times a year thinking in in the Straight Goulag!

Betty I was a victum of you Nazi camp. Your Nazi youth run organization took away my civil liberties. I couldn't even take a shit by myself because of you. Hell even murderers on death row can do that. This is the truth. I really don't care if you don't beive it. There are thousands out here that know the truth and thankfully due to the efforts of wonderful Americans like Richard the truth is slowly coming out. There are many out here chomping at the bit to get a piece of you. Or shall I say accountability. You see it's not about the money, it never has been, it's about Honesty, your number one rule, remember??

So Betty you Honestly fucked up many many children, you can't run forever, because the truth can't be changed.........

Thanks again Richard I really appreciate all you have done.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 05:01:00 PM

Yes, Thank you Richard. And Thank you to all who give us a voice..

After reading that.. I wish I had known to see an Attorney long ago.But Straight taught me I had NO rights as a human whatsoever.  

Straight destroyed me and I never had a drug problem, So I  was falsely imprisoned and mis represented to my family by Straight. My family was lied to, so that Straight could torture, abuse and scare  me for life.I was one who was Severely  Tortured for not compling. I got a life sentence from Straight, all the While Betty and Melvin Sembler have a life of ease , living off MY parents money and the destruction of my life.

I want justice and retribution for the life lasting scares Straight left me with and the tortures I endured as a 14 yr old girl.  :flame:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: sammiegirl on September 29, 2005, 05:08:00 PM

Did any one get to part 12 w/the HRS OSIG invesigation?
Mel Sembler! STAND UP!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 06:47:00 PM

We the survivors are not unlike Simon Wiesenthal. We search out and find people that have done wicked things to others and hopefully hold them accountable. We did not endure the same atrocities as the holocaust, but we did non the less get abused. We will never forget.

I find it very ironic that in about a few minutes right here in Florida there will be a tribute to Mr. Wiesenthal and Betty will probably be there.

Wiesenthal would be very upset if he understood who and what the Semblers were. "Abusers of humanity" How ironic!
 
Straight abused children, then took the money and helped form a holocaust museum so that people will remember abuse from Hitler.

How can this be??  

Semblers name is on the wall and Betty according to the deposition is still on the board. Why won't the Jewish people realize this? Why do they protect these people. Why don't they investigate. WE ARE NOT MAKING THIS UP!

"Shame on those that protect the wicked"


Museum to pay tribute to Simon Wiesenthal
By Times Staff
Published September 28, 2005

As a tribute to Simon Wiesenthal who passed away last week, the Florida Holocaust Museum, 55 Fifth St. S, will hold a short ceremony at 7 p.m. Thursday. A survivor of the Holocaust, Wiesenthal dedicated his life to fighting intolerance, antisemitism and prejudice, and spent the later decades of his life bringing perpetrators to justice. Call (727) 820-0100 for information.

Concrete pouring to close Treasure Island bridge

The Treasure Island Causeway bridge will be closed from 8:30 a.m. to 7 p.m. Thursday while crews pour concrete for the new structure. Westbound traffic will be detoured at 79th Street on Causeway Isles to Causeway Boulevard North or South. Eastbound causeway traffic will be detoured at Paradise Boulevard, except for local traffic to the Treasure Island Tennis and Yacht Club. Traffic to and from Treasure Island is being directed through Madeira Beach to the north and the Corey Causeway in St. Pete Beach to the south. Boat traffic will not be affected by the closure.

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/28/Neigh ... bute.shtml (http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/28/Neighborhoodtimes/Museum_to_pay_tribute.shtml)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Withdraw on September 29, 2005, 07:06:00 PM

How can this be?

It is made possible by the Semblers ability to side track and Denounce every ~ truth/accusation made about them or Straight.. or all their shady dealings that involve money and the goverment.

The Semblers are nothing more The Salesmen of Pure Lies. I just can't understand what drives them... just money? I'm not sure, They endorse a host of abusers..

It's funny how She states she knows nothing of went on in Straight, but it definatley wasn't abusive or illegal... But she knows Nothing....She can't even recall who the CEO was. Lies, pure lies..

  :flame:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: sammiegirl on September 29, 2005, 08:09:00 PM

DENY DENY DENY. WE DIDNT DO ANYTHING WRONG THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF UNGREATFUL DRUGGIES!
THEY SHOULD ALL GET A LIFE!
BETTY SEMBLER AUSTRALLIA
What a bitch. We need to go in soon and get these fucks before they all croak on us.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 10:28:00 PM

Richard Bradbury has really done a good thing for all of us.  

There were a few here that ridiculed him. But he has done us all a wholesome service.

Thanks Again Richard, Thanks for taking the time to care. In this world that is rare. It would be much easier for you the grab the remote and tune out, yet you place yourself in harms-way judicialy speaking buy choice.

Your a great example of where the rubber meets the road!

vsp

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 29, 2005, 11:41:00 PM

Richard is a pathetic waste of time. Puuuhhlleezze.
  He's a nobody, doing nothing.  Move along now; nothing to see here.
  lol

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on September 30, 2005, 12:12:00 AM

i have been reading for a while.  How incredibly interesting. i am goin' ta bed now.

Richard Bradbury, nice work, whoever you are.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on September 30, 2005, 01:57:00 PM

Never mind the pittance they stole from our parents. Hell, I don't even care about the various sources of graft and panhandling that also landed up on that pile of gold. These people and their cronnies command and direct BILLIONS in public funding for their war on people who prefer drugs that they don't sell. People die, fathers and mothers go to prison, hard working immigrants are framed and deported (google Dallas Fake Drugs for details), local police departments around the country are infiltrated and destroyed by multijurisdictional counterdrug task forces.

Probably the most lunatic eterprises ever devised by these sociopaths, however, is the aerial spraying of modified Roundup (aka Agent Orange... yeah, just like the stuff we used in Vietnam) on pristine rain forrests and all the critters, people and water systems therein. Want to read about something even a little crazier? Here's a Google search on Fusarium Oxysporum Thankfully, as far as I know, saner heads have prevent this madness being visited upon domestic farming, at least so far.

The content of this depo shows clearly that Betty, who is an undisputed leader in this movement since the Nixon erra, for what she is; a clueless, self rightious idiot. I wish this depo could be delivered by hand to every legislator and appointee subject to a round of her bullshit. I wish they all knew, as we do, how fucking nuts these people are so they'd quit giving them money and power.

Honest to God, I wouldn't have such an interest in these people if the worst they ever did was mess with teenagers and their families for a couple of short years. It's sad that they do that and I feel for each new generation of their emotional victims. But that's not important enough to me to warrant any sustained effort.

These people are fucking dangerous to the entire planet. Who do YOU think came up w/ the brilliant idea to pay the Taliban to quit growing opium poppies? Or was that just a pretext?

Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!

--Andi, domestic goddess

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on September 30, 2005, 01:59:00 PM

BTW, does anyone know if/how Betty may be related to Dr. Laura Sleschenger? Or the politically connected Jack Sleschenger who my Oxford stepping grandfather was friends with?

Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppression of both mind and body will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day
Thomas Jefferson

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 02:20:00 PM

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On 2005-09-30 10:59:00, Antigen wrote:

"BTW, does anyone know if/how Betty may be related to Dr. Laura Sleschenger?

Just curious what have you come across that makes you think they are or could be connected?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on September 30, 2005, 02:33:00 PM

Just the name an their personalities and public statements. It's asif they were seperated at birth.

It is one of the most beautiful compensations of life, that no man can sincerely try to help another without helping himself.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 08:04:00 PM

I can't wait until Bradbury's team gets Mel's depo

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 08:22:00 PM

What a lying cunt Betty Sembler is!  She knew all about the abuses that were an integral part of the Straight program.  Quit your lying, you evil old shriveled cooze! The BS must end!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 08:25:00 PM

I have a short attention span & it's 164 pages long. Feel free to excerpt the especially rotten bits here.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on September 30, 2005, 10:15:00 PM

::bump::

Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.  
Andrew Tannenbaum

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2005, 10:58:00 AM

Richard did a great job.  I can't wait to see Mel's deposition.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 01, 2005, 11:47:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-01 07:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Richard did a great job.  I can't wait to see Mel's deposition."

Yes, Richard has done a great job.  Love to see  shitheads like the Semblers and Newton squirm......

"DFAF BS must end!"

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 01, 2005, 04:35:00 PM

::bump::

Animals, are you sure you're not working for the Semblers? Seems to me you're trying to hide this topic, where anyone who cares to can read the whole depo. I'm not suggesting that you're on the payrole or anything. Maybe it's like a post-hypnotic suggestion or something?

It only takes a little prescience to understand that we're all fair game for the deeds we condone.

--Antigen

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2005, 07:40:00 AM

I cant look at your Deposition because I am not in the USA,so it is not able to open or download.Its for American computers only.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2005, 08:47:00 AM

See:

http://thestraights.com/legal/bradbury- ... sition.htm (http://thestraights.com/legal/bradbury-sued-5-01-03/sembler-depositions/betty-deposed1/Links-to-Bettys-Deposition.htm)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 02, 2005, 09:54:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-02 05:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"See:



http://thestraights.com/legal/bradbury- ... sition.htm (http://thestraights.com/legal/bradbury-sued-5-01-03/sembler-depositions/betty-deposed1/Links-to-Bettys-Deposition.htm)"

I got PAGE ONE to open but the rest I can not view.Also I am using a public computer.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Troubled Turd on October 03, 2005, 03:11:00 PM

I'm postin' on this thread beecawz it's floatin' at th' top.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 05:29:00 PM

I'm still floatin' around up here...

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Troubled Turd on October 03, 2005, 05:30:00 PM

Yep..

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 07:41:00 PM

So what's up with the green .............

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2005, 09:56:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-09-27 12:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"It was filed with the court on Monday September 26, 2005.  It is now a matter of public record.



Anyone who wants a copy of it can obtain it by contacting the Clerk of the Court 727.464.3000, Circut Court Records case number 03-6649-ci-013



They do charge a fee for the copies."

Where?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 12:39:00 AM

Depo doesn't do anything but confirm the facts that Sembler and Bradbury's attorneys are both working together to make all the real survivors believe that some justice will finally be had for these pedophiles (pedophiles being Sembler, Bradbury, Sherman, Monroe, Hartel, Belski, other Straight staff and creators/directors) to get what's acomin to 'em.

I had one fucker tell me to take any upcoming depos and go find myself a lawyer cos I could get some justice.

Maybe Ray B. and M. Peophile Sembler aren't working together on this truly joked up cock of a boring court case about a double ended penile pump lodged so far up B and Ss arses that it hurts even me to laff anymore out of sheer lamenosity.

I would have spent the money on the depo, but after reading the parts that everyone says are so juicy and worthwhile I wouldn't even waste my time. At least the court recorder isn't good enuff to hide scripted/rehearsed depos. We used to do scripted depos back in the SW over in Mexico. Lotsa fun for those who wanted to use our depos against us.

Gig is up Ray Pussyfoot Bradbury, come over to my neck of the hood...I'll put a crowbar so high up in your pump lovin asshole that your teeth'll get the bar check on the way up. Niggerbitch lieing scum that you are.

No wait. I take that back Ray P. Bradbury. You're not worth the energy. I'd have to wipe my crowbar clean of you. It's worth more than you are worth. Bradbury, I hope you burn in w/e hell you are creating for yourself by supporting the pedophiles you are doing on the side. Stop by anytime.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 12:58:00 AM

... and who the fuck are you talking to Gin. You personally ban so many people that it hards to know who is who here anymore. When someone doesn't agree with you you personally switch names to back up your opinions.

Now WE ALL know that if there were even ONE survivor to ever come forward and even attempt to make a real honest try to getting some justice that

EVERY

MOTHERFUCKING

PEDOPHILE

ONE OF YOU SORRY CUNT BASTARDS

is going to do everything in your power to slander that survivors chances. YES, I am talking to YOU Richard Bradbury. I am talking to YOU Michael Sherman you lieing cock smoking little prick. And yes, I am talking to YOU Sammie Monroe and also I am talking to that other guy who looks like a fucking wraith out of LoTR w/ his greasy black hair and emmaciated undead looking faggot ass (yeah YOU, the other bitch who made his debut in the papers, too).

WE ALL know that you'll be coughing up as much lies and aid to the defense if ANY real survivor tries to make a run for the money (that's the game today when it comes to any court case regarding Straight, we are so way beyond jail time). You'll be producing stolen and outdated Victim/Witness statements that MCG gave to you without permission. You'll be producing any protest pictures you took without permission. You'll be producing any news recordings, files, any fucking dirt that you can get your hands on from a survivor who might eventually remember what actually happened.

And in the meantime you'll act like you are friends to the survivors. God I wish I didn't care about going to jail. I seriously would drive up to wherever the persons I just mentioned lived and bash the fucking shit out of them all. Unfortunately I am not the one who belongs in jail Mike, Ray, Sammie, and that other undead looking fucker. Fuck you all sideways.

And I'm talking to YOU Cap'n Marti, you mustache wearing obese freakish sailor. I'm talking to YOU Kim Hueso, and Nicole I'm talking to YOU, and any motherfucker who denies that their actions don't speak for themselves. Go on ahead...prove my point and deny it again and again and again. Change the subject, slander and say fallacies, ad hominem and w/e else you think you can conjure to deny the facts and deny what you have been doing that everyone sees.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 03:10:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-03 21:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"... and who the fuck are you talking to Gin. You personally ban so many people that it hards to know who is who here anymore. When someone doesn't agree with you you personally switch names to back up your opinions.



Now WE ALL know that if there were even ONE survivor to ever come forward and even attempt to make a real honest try to getting some justice that



EVERY



MOTHERFUCKING



PEDOPHILE



ONE OF YOU SORRY CUNT BASTARDS



is going to do everything in your power to slander that survivors chances. YES, I am talking to YOU Richard Bradbury. I am talking to YOU Michael Sherman you lieing cock smoking little prick. And yes, I am talking to YOU Sammie Monroe and also I am talking to that other guy who looks like a fucking wraith out of LoTR w/ his greasy black hair and emmaciated undead looking faggot ass (yeah YOU, the other bitch who made his debut in the papers, too).



WE ALL know that you'll be coughing up as much lies and aid to the defense if ANY real survivor tries to make a run for the money (that's the game today when it comes to any court case regarding Straight, we are so way beyond jail time). You'll be producing stolen and outdated Victim/Witness statements that MCG gave to you without permission. You'll be producing any protest pictures you took without permission. You'll be producing any news recordings, files, any fucking dirt that you can get your hands on from a survivor who might eventually remember what actually happened.



And in the meantime you'll act like you are friends to the survivors. God I wish I didn't care about going to jail. I seriously would drive up to wherever the persons I just mentioned lived and bash the fucking shit out of them all. Unfortunately I am not the one who belongs in jail Mike, Ray, Sammie, and that other undead looking fucker. Fuck you all sideways.



And I'm talking to YOU Cap'n Marti, you mustache wearing obese freakish sailor. I'm talking to YOU Kim Hueso, and Nicole I'm talking to YOU, and any motherfucker who denies that their actions don't speak for themselves. Go on ahead...prove my point and deny it again and again and again. Change the subject, slander and say fallacies, ad hominem and w/e else you think you can conjure to deny the facts and deny what you have been doing that everyone sees."

I agree with this post even though there are harsh language.
These famouse survivors are only in this for themselves.A kind of "clique" if you will.
I dont expect anybody to do this wor FOR ME,but all of these famouse survivors have tried to use my suffering for their OWN GAINS and not to stop the abuse.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 09:12:00 AM

:wave:  :wave:  :wave:  :wave:  :wave:  :cool:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 04, 2005, 09:56:00 AM

Brian, come clean. How much is Lenny paying you to run diversion?

The rest of you named in this rather comical little diatribe, he's got a point. Ya'll are spending way too much time in the company of Program people. It's so obvious what's going on here. I can't say why he's doing it, but Brian is running a distraction campaign. I say we just fucking ignore him.

Now then, interesting tidbits from Betty Sembler's depo. I read it all in one sitting a few days ago. It's all in graphic format and, therefore, unsearchable. If anyone cares to OCR it and correct it, I'd be happy to dump a text version into the pile. Mean time, from memory, here's what I found interesting and useful about Betty's sworn testimony.

Most of it was all about trying to find out what Betty thinks is the legal definition of a threat. She said that yes indeed, she does consider criticizm of the Straight program to be personally threatening. I wish Tom had asked her opinion about all those judges and juries, all those wittnesses and investigators who have found in favor of Straight's abuse victims in various courts around the country.

I just would love to see in black and white that she discards out of hand all of these respected professionals in the same lot as all us lying, cowardly cockroaches. Oh wait, that was Loretta.  :roll: Birds of a feather. . .

Oh well. There are some nuggets in there. For instance, did you know that, even after the facts in Lulu Corter and Karen Norton's lawsuits, Betty still considers Virgil to be a wonderful human being and a dear friend? Oh yeah, it's true! She said so under oath. And she considers any criticizm of him as a personal threat to her, too. I wonder if she's going to try and sue all of the judges who have found him to be a contemptable, frightening and dangerous sort of individual?

In a nutshell, I came away from that mini-novel w/ the distinct impression that Betty Sembler views our legal system and personnell very much the same as her personal staff in the Program. Anyone who dares to question anything she says or does or any of the littany of bogus public sector programs and agencies in which she is involved should rightly be prosecuted w/ extreme prejudice and at our expense.

In my humble opinion, Betty Sembler is the biggest, dumbest most ignorant, shifless WELFARE MAMA out there.

We ought to be grateful that our government monopoly schools are such a failure. If today's 18 year olds could do arithmetic, they'd be out buying enough rope to hang everybody over 40.
--Alan Handleman on Social Security

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: 001010 on October 04, 2005, 10:23:00 AM

I feel very threatened and frightened by all of this.

Very frightened, and very very very threatened.

Very.

Threatened...

Frightened...

 :rofl: <--- outrageous and obnoxious Straightling.  :lol:
 

Come in the evening, or come in the morning; Come when you 're looked for, or come without warning.
-- Thomas O. Davis (1814-1845): The Welcome.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 11:10:00 AM

Yes, Betty Sembler has shown us her disgusting, shit-filled soul during her deposition.  This lying sack of fecal matter does view the legal system as her own personal apparatus, designed to protect her and her ilk from the "threatening" antics of R. Bradbury (my favorite faggot these days, by the way) and other druggie ingrates who tell the real story about the teen torture centers that she ran.  This putrid pile of puss-filled polyps has shown her arrogance, her ignorance, and her generally vile and distasteful demeanor.  Truly repulsive and vile, this revolting, lying coozebag and her cronies in the DFAF, etc. are not only criminally responsible for knowingly and willfully abusing thousands of kids at a time, but also for spreading lies and disinformation about drug use to any who will listen.  By spreading these lies and bogus theories, they are able to continue to feed the beast that they created---filling prisons, rehabs, and drug testing labs in a manner that eventually profits her fascist friends not only economically, but also in the sense that their fucked-up, totalitarian, we-know-what's-in-your-best-interest world view is furthered at the expense of common sense, individual rights, and decency.  This cunt is a dangerous individual, and she truly is more threatening to you, me, Ray Bradbury and everyone else than Bradbury could ever be to her.  More dangerous than a schizophrenic mulatto with a crow bar, Betty and her kind have no place in a civilized society.  In a truly just world, she would be unceremoniuosly weighted down with bricks and dumped in a cesspool, along with her husband and 'dear friends' like Miller Newton.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 01:10:00 PM

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More dangerous than a schizophrenic mulatto with a crow bar

:nworthy: :wav:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Botched Programming on October 04, 2005, 02:36:00 PM

It's excessive. It's threatening. It's frightening.


" Lions and tigers and bears...Oh my !!!! "

Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 02:56:00 PM

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On 2005-10-03 21:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Depo doesn't do anything but confirm the facts that Sembler and Bradbury's attorneys are both working together to make all the real survivors believe that some justice will finally be had for these pedophiles (pedophiles being Sembler, Bradbury, Sherman, Monroe, Hartel, Belski, other Straight staff and creators/directors) to get what's acomin to 'em.

you really fucking scare me asshole.   :roll:   I will be at the hearing and the holocaust museum protest.  I will take vacation time just to be there and to see them squirm.   I hope to see you there too.   Introduce yourself to me. I'm one of the people you slam earlier in this thread.   I will be glad to introduce you to the rest of us.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 03:00:00 PM

And I will be there too. I'm not the anon above. I won't allow a nut to contaminate a nobel process. Think what you want, rant all you like, come up with nonsense, nothing will change the events unfolding. Not even you have the power to do that.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 04, 2005, 03:35:00 PM

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On 2005-10-04 08:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes, Betty Sembler has shown us her disgusting, shit-filled soul during her deposition.  This lying sack of fecal matter does view the legal system as her own personal apparatus, designed to protect her and her ilk from the "threatening" antics of R. Bradbury (my favorite faggot these days, by the way) and other druggie ingrates who tell the real story about the teen torture centers that she ran.  This putrid pile of puss-filled polyps has shown her arrogance, her ignorance, and her generally vile and distasteful demeanor.  Truly repulsive and vile, this revolting, lying coozebag and her cronies in the DFAF, etc. are not only criminally responsible for knowingly and willfully abusing thousands of kids at a time, but also for spreading lies and disinformation about drug use to any who will listen.  By spreading these lies and bogus theories, they are able to continue to feed the beast that they created---filling prisons, rehabs, and drug testing labs in a manner that eventually profits her fascist friends not only economically, but also in the sense that their fucked-up, totalitarian, we-know-what's-in-your-best-interest world view is furthered at the expense of common sense, individual rights, and decency.  This cunt is a dangerous individual, and she truly is more threatening to you, me, Ray Bradbury and everyone else than Bradbury could ever be to her.  More dangerous than a schizophrenic mulatto with a crow bar, Betty and her kind have no place in a civilized society.  In a truly just world, she would be unceremoniuosly weighted down with bricks and dumped in a cesspool, along with her husband and 'dear friends' like Miller Newton. "

He getzez it, Precious! :nworthy:  :nworthy:

Q. I simply ask, why is PUNISHMENT the solution with regards to the narrow group of behaviors which encompass illegal drug use....?

A.Pharmaceutical Business, both legal and illegal, run by the same people either way, money coming to the middle from both ends.  Bush.
Bill Gallagher

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 05:13:00 PM

Can't wait to see Mel's deposition, he will make a big fool out of himself

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 07:15:00 PM

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On 2005-10-04 11:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-03 21:39:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Depo doesn't do anything but confirm the facts that Sembler and Bradbury's attorneys are both working together to make all the real survivors believe that some justice will finally be had for these pedophiles (pedophiles being Sembler, Bradbury, Sherman, Monroe, Hartel, Belski, other Straight staff and creators/directors) to get what's acomin to 'em.

you really fucking scare me asshole.   :roll:   I will be at the hearing and the holocaust museum protest.  I will take vacation time just to be there and to see them squirm.   I hope to see you there too.   Introduce yourself to me. I'm one of the people you slam earlier in this thread.   I will be glad to introduce you to the rest of us.  "

sounds like a mulatto schizophrenic with a crowbar. Sure, just name the time and place to meet you. I'll take some pictures of you from a building window or ask you to make me some statements you can be held liable for if you ever decide to file some kind of law suit. Man, you are the most backwards ass bunch of folks I've ever seen. I would never count myself among you post graduates. Ever. You've lied, stolen, cheated, and just basically made a mockery of those people from Straight who were abused as children.

Also, Don't come to the hearing or you might get shot by someone who is packing. That person made a real threat early on about how they'd be packing heat at the protest. You might get shot. I'd love to entertain myself by watching you child ass fuckers get your tools shot off. It's more than you really deserve.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 08:00:00 PM

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On 2005-10-04 08:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes, Betty Sembler has shown us her disgusting, shit-filled soul during her deposition.  This lying sack of fecal matter does view the legal system as her own personal apparatus, designed to protect her and her ilk from the "threatening" antics of R. Bradbury (my favorite faggot these days, by the way) and other druggie ingrates who tell the real story about the teen torture centers that she ran.  This putrid pile of puss-filled polyps has shown her arrogance, her ignorance, and her generally vile and distasteful demeanor.  Truly repulsive and vile, this revolting, lying coozebag and her cronies in the DFAF, etc. are not only criminally responsible for knowingly and willfully abusing thousands of kids at a time, but also for spreading lies and disinformation about drug use to any who will listen.  By spreading these lies and bogus theories, they are able to continue to feed the beast that they created---filling prisons, rehabs, and drug testing labs in a manner that eventually profits her fascist friends not only economically, but also in the sense that their fucked-up, totalitarian, we-know-what's-in-your-best-interest world view is furthered at the expense of common sense, individual rights, and decency.  This cunt is a dangerous individual, and she truly is more threatening to you, me, Ray Bradbury and everyone else than Bradbury could ever be to her.  More dangerous than a schizophrenic mulatto with a crow bar, Betty and her kind have no place in a civilized society.  In a truly just world, she would be unceremoniuosly weighted down with bricks and dumped in a cesspool, along with her husband and 'dear friends' like Miller Newton. "

First rate post.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2005, 08:28:00 PM

anybody ever on this that was from the springfield mayflower group ?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 03:02:00 AM

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On 2005-10-04 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-04 08:10:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Yes, Betty Sembler has shown us her disgusting, shit-filled soul during her deposition.  This lying sack of fecal matter does view the legal system as her own personal apparatus, designed to protect her and her ilk from the "threatening" antics of R. Bradbury (my favorite faggot these days, by the way) and other druggie ingrates who tell the real story about the teen torture centers that she ran.  This putrid pile of puss-filled polyps has shown her arrogance, her ignorance, and her generally vile and distasteful demeanor.  Truly repulsive and vile, this revolting, lying coozebag and her cronies in the DFAF, etc. are not only criminally responsible for knowingly and willfully abusing thousands of kids at a time, but also for spreading lies and disinformation about drug use to any who will listen.  By spreading these lies and bogus theories, they are able to continue to feed the beast that they created---filling prisons, rehabs, and drug testing labs in a manner that eventually profits her fascist friends not only economically, but also in the sense that their fucked-up, totalitarian, we-know-what's-in-your-best-interest world view is furthered at the expense of common sense, individual rights, and decency.  This cunt is a dangerous individual, and she truly is more threatening to you, me, Ray Bradbury and everyone else than Bradbury could ever be to her.  More dangerous than a schizophrenic mulatto with a crow bar, Betty and her kind have no place in a civilized society.  In a truly just world, she would be unceremoniuosly weighted down with bricks and dumped in a cesspool, along with her husband and 'dear friends' like Miller Newton. "

First rate post."

We were knowingly sacraficed for the greater good that may have resulted from the big experiment.
Hey!Let's fight the terrorists "over there" so that we dont have to fight them here!

Lets build a dam in Arkansas so that we dont have to fight the water here in New Orleans!

I think Im on to something.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 03:47:00 AM

witch hunt

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 10:47:00 AM

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Also, Don't come to the hearing or you might get shot by someone who is packing. That person made a real threat early on about how they'd be packing heat at the protest. You might get shot. I'd love to entertain myself by watching you child ass fuckers get your tools shot off. It's more than you really deserve."

Too late; I'll be there.   :lol:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: 001010 on October 05, 2005, 11:19:00 AM

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On 2005-10-04 06:56:00, Antigen wrote:

"Brian, come clean. How much is Lenny paying you to run diversion?



The rest of you named in this rather comical little diatribe, he's got a point. Ya'll are spending way too much time in the company of Program people. It's so obvious what's going on here. I can't say why he's doing it, but Brian is running a distraction campaign. I say we just fucking ignore him.

Create an IGNORE feature for us, Anti! *Click* and he'd be gone, including his threads!

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Now then, interesting tidbits from Betty Sembler's depo. I read it all in one sitting a few days ago. It's all in graphic format and, therefore, unsearchable. If anyone cares to OCR it and correct it, I'd be happy to dump a text version into the pile. Mean time, from memory, here's what I found interesting and useful about Betty's sworn testimony.



Most of it was all about trying to find out what Betty thinks is the legal definition of a threat. She said that yes indeed, she does consider criticizm of the Straight program to be personally threatening. I wish Tom had asked her opinion about all those judges and juries, all those wittnesses and investigators who have found in favor of Straight's abuse victims in various courts around the country.



I just would love to see in black and white that she discards out of hand all of these respected professionals in the same lot as all us lying, cowardly cockroaches.

Excellent point, I was thinking that as I read too.

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Oh wait, that was Loretta.  :roll: Birds of a feather. . .



Oh well. There are some nuggets in there. For instance, did you know that, even after the facts in Lulu Corter and Karen Norton's lawsuits, Betty still considers Virgil to be a wonderful human being and a dear friend? Oh yeah, it's true! She said so under oath. And she considers any criticizm of him as a personal threat to her, too. I wonder if she's going to try and sue all of the judges who have found him to be a contemptable, frightening and dangerous sort of individual?



In a nutshell, I came away from that mini-novel w/ the distinct impression that Betty Sembler views our legal system and personnell very much the same as her personal staff in the Program. Anyone who dares to question anything she says or does or any of the littany of bogus public sector programs and agencies in which she is involved should rightly be prosecuted w/ extreme prejudice and at our expense.



In my humble opinion, Betty Sembler is the biggest, dumbest most ignorant, shifless WELFARE MAMA out there.

We ought to be grateful that our government monopoly schools are such a failure. If today's 18 year olds could do arithmetic, they'd be out buying enough rope to hang everybody over 40.
--Alan Handleman on Social Security

"

I don't know how I missed this post but I did.

My sentiments exactly.

Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact... These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff.

Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

_________________
EST (Lifespring) '83
Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 03:24:00 PM

Did you noticed when Betty was shown the EBAY  for the "pump" she had no idea the picture was of the penis pump.

Why?

It's my guess, Mel used it on some other woman.

It's been rumored

I suspect it was not for use with Betty.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 03:31:00 PM

Betty knew damn well what the pump was.  She just likes to lie, when she isn't lost in her fantasy world.  Half the time she's knowingly telling lies, the other half she's just fucked up and delusional.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 08:30:00 PM

You have not put the puzzle together yet. Look at the questions in the Depo.........

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 05, 2005, 08:34:00 PM

The questions point to the direction of where this is going. Why do you think that the trial is so far from now? Hum let me guess..............

That's a lot of time. What's about to happen?

The next few months will be very interesting for all.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 02:27:00 AM

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On 2005-10-05 08:19:00, 001010 wrote:

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On 2005-10-04 06:56:00, Antigen wrote:



"Brian, come clean. How much is Lenny paying you to run diversion?







The rest of you named in this rather comical little diatribe, he's got a point. Ya'll are spending way too much time in the company of Program people. It's so obvious what's going on here. I can't say why he's doing it, but Brian is running a distraction campaign. I say we just fucking ignore him.

Create an IGNORE feature for us, Anti! *Click* and he'd be gone, including his threads!

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Now then, interesting tidbits from Betty Sembler's depo. I read it all in one sitting a few days ago. It's all in graphic format and, therefore, unsearchable. If anyone cares to OCR it and correct it, I'd be happy to dump a text version into the pile. Mean time, from memory, here's what I found interesting and useful about Betty's sworn testimony.







Most of it was all about trying to find out what Betty thinks is the legal definition of a threat. She said that yes indeed, she does consider criticizm of the Straight program to be personally threatening. I wish Tom had asked her opinion about all those judges and juries, all those wittnesses and investigators who have found in favor of Straight's abuse victims in various courts around the country.







I just would love to see in black and white that she discards out of hand all of these respected professionals in the same lot as all us lying, cowardly cockroaches.

Excellent point, I was thinking that as I read too.

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Oh wait, that was Loretta.  :wave:

Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

_________________

EST (Lifespring) '83

Salesmanship Club '84-'86

Straight, Inc. '86-'88"

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
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The rest of you named in this rather comical little diatribe, he's got a point. Ya'll are spending way too much time in the company of Program people. It's so obvious what's going on here. I can't say why he's doing it, but Brian is running a distraction campaign. I say we just fucking ignore him.

Create an IGNORE feature for us, Anti! *Click* and he'd be gone, including his threads!

Quote

Now then, interesting tidbits from Betty Sembler's depo. I read it all in one sitting a few days ago. It's all in graphic format and, therefore, unsearchable. If anyone cares to OCR it and correct it, I'd be happy to dump a text version into the pile. Mean time, from memory, here's what I found interesting and useful about Betty's sworn testimony.











Most of it was all about trying to find out what Betty thinks is the legal definition of a threat. She said that yes indeed, she does consider criticizm of the Straight program to be personally threatening. I wish Tom had asked her opinion about all those judges and juries, all those wittnesses and investigators who have found in favor of Straight's abuse victims in various courts around the country.











I just would love to see in black and white that she discards out of hand all of these respected professionals in the same lot as all us lying, cowardly cockroaches.

Excellent point, I was thinking that as I read too.

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Oh wait, that was Loretta.  :wave:


Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

_________________


EST (Lifespring) '83


Salesmanship Club '84-'86


Straight, Inc. '86-'88"

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Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 02:30:00 AM

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On 2005-10-05 23:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

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The rest of you named in this rather comical little diatribe, he's got a point. Ya'll are spending way too much time in the company of Program people. It's so obvious what's going on here. I can't say why he's doing it, but Brian is running a distraction campaign. I say we just fucking ignore him.

Create an IGNORE feature for us, Anti! *Click* and he'd be gone, including his threads!

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Now then, interesting tidbits from Betty Sembler's depo. I read it all in one sitting a few days ago. It's all in graphic format and, therefore, unsearchable. If anyone cares to OCR it and correct it, I'd be happy to dump a text version into the pile. Mean time, from memory, here's what I found interesting and useful about Betty's sworn testimony.















Most of it was all about trying to find out what Betty thinks is the legal definition of a threat. She said that yes indeed, she does consider criticizm of the Straight program to be personally threatening. I wish Tom had asked her opinion about all those judges and juries, all those wittnesses and investigators who have found in favor of Straight's abuse victims in various courts around the country.















I just would love to see in black and white that she discards out of hand all of these respected professionals in the same lot as all us lying, cowardly cockroaches.

Excellent point, I was thinking that as I read too.

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Oh wait, that was Loretta.  :roll: Birds of a feather. . .

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 02:32:00 AM

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On 2005-10-05 08:19:00, 001010 wrote:

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"Brian, come clean. How much is Lenny paying you to run diversion?







The rest of you named in this rather comical little diatribe, he's got a point. Ya'll are spending way too much time in the company of Program people. It's so obvious what's going on here. I can't say why he's doing it, but Brian is running a distraction campaign. I say we just fucking ignore him.

Create an IGNORE feature for us, Anti! *Click* and he'd be gone, including his threads!

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Now then, interesting tidbits from Betty Sembler's depo. I read it all in one sitting a few days ago. It's all in graphic format and, therefore, unsearchable. If anyone cares to OCR it and correct it, I'd be happy to dump a text version into the pile. Mean time, from memory, here's what I found interesting and useful about Betty's sworn testimony.







Most of it was all about trying to find out what Betty thinks is the legal definition of a threat. She said that yes indeed, she does consider criticizm of the Straight program to be personally threatening. I wish Tom had asked her opinion about all those judges and juries, all those wittnesses and investigators who have found in favor of Straight's abuse victims in various courts around the country.







I just would love to see in black and white that she discards out of hand all of these respected professionals in the same lot as all us lying, cowardly cockroaches.

Excellent point, I was thinking that as I read too.

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Oh wait, that was Loretta.  :roll: Birds of a feather. . .







Oh well. There are some nuggets in there. For instance, did you know that, even after the facts in Lulu Corter and Karen Norton's lawsuits, Betty still considers Virgil to be a wonderful human being and a dear friend? Oh yeah, it's true! She said so under oath. And she considers any criticizm of him as a personal threat to her, too. I wonder if she's going to try and sue all of the judges who have found him to be a contemptable, frightening and dangerous sort of individual?







In a nutshell, I came away from that mini-novel w/ the distinct impression that Betty Sembler views our legal system and personnell very much the same as her personal staff in the Program. Anyone who dares to question anything she says or does or any of the littany of bogus public sector programs and agencies in which she is involved should rightly be prosecuted w/ extreme prejudice and at our expense.







In my humble opinion, Betty Sembler is the biggest, dumbest most ignorant, shifless WELFARE MAMA out there.

We ought to be grateful that our government monopoly schools are such a failure. If today's 18 year olds could do arithmetic, they'd be out buying enough rope to hang everybody over 40.

--Alan Handleman on Social Security

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I don't know how I missed this post but I did.



My sentiments exactly.

Our youth can not understand why society chooses to criminalize a behavior with so little visible ill effect or adverse social impact... These young people have jumped the fence and found no cliff.



Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse

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Salesmanship Club '84-'86

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Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 02:33:00 AM

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"You should scan it and post it for all to see.

If we choose to violate the rights of the innocent in order to discover and act against the guilty, then we have transformed our country into a police state and abandoned one of the fundamental tenants of a free society. In order to win the war on drugs, we must not sacrifice the life of the Constitution in the battle.
--US District Judge H. Lee Sarokin

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Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 02:00:00 PM

fucking cheesedick. fuck you, you retarded crowbar-sucking mulatto bitch. get a life.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 03:18:00 PM

NO NO lets do it for SAMMIE Now...Go Sammie Go,
oops ....ahhhh, mmmmmm wrong thread :roll:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: 001010 on October 06, 2005, 03:27:00 PM

Perhaps an Ignore button wouldn't work on an Anon post?

 :???:

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy (1917-63), U.S. Democratic politician, president. Speech, 13 March 1962, the White House.

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Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 06, 2005, 04:01:00 PM

Well, the trouble is w/ anon proxies. No matter how much of a pain in the ass it is when some control freak uses them to try and disrupt the server, so many people use them legitimately to avoid legal or physical threats while getting their stories out. So, here we are. At some point, if he keeps it up, I may have to get some sort of restraining order or some such. Maybe if I just file suit for all the hours I've spent cleaning up his mess that would do it. I dunno.

Better, though, could someone please try and just convince the little bastard to stop inturrupting our conversation like a hyper fucking toddler?

No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 04:40:00 PM

You posted the following:

And, trolling permitting, give us your take on it here http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=7&35658 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewforum.php?forum=7&35658)

Is there a specific area to post, don't understand. There is no heading and when you click the link it just takes you to the Straight Forum.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Botched Programming on October 06, 2005, 04:53:00 PM

I'm hanging onto hope today the corruption will end for these vile bastards.

In the words of Bob Marley

Reflexes got the better of me
And what is to be must be
Every day the bucket goes to the well
But one day the bottom will drop out
Yes, one day the bottom will drop out


( Lyrics from I Shot The Sheriff )

Homeschool is self regulating. The school board is not going to have illiterate useless people living in their homes forever if they don't have a working education policy.

--Sisterbluerose

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 06, 2005, 06:46:00 PM

Oh thanks. Typo. Fixed now (well, within seconds, anyway)

India Indicas, Mr. Peabody?
-- Sherman

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 07:00:00 PM

I say w/e troll comes on here and spouts the truth about the lies and the deceit that have been put out in any media format by fuckfaces like Richard, Fager, and the rest of that sorry bunch, they should be honored. Everyone knows those folks, old graduates from Straight, are still full of shit and don't believe Straight Inc. abused a damn person. I for one second the motion to put a crowbar up anyone ass if they can't get real about their motives. Go trolls Go!!! Let AntiDrunkard lay out the filth and let all the little admins try to ban you and shit mr. troll, you are doing the real service.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 08:16:00 PM

I don't see evidence for the claim that Bradbury and them don't believe Straight abused anyone. I get the impression, from what I have read, that Bradbury is specifically motivated by indignance over child abuse. If anyone is concerned that we are being gyped or hoodwinked or whatever by "graduates", I wish they would bring information to the table. Perhaps there are unresolved issues that ought to be set right. Current tactics are alienating and neither resolve anything, nor convince anyone else of alternate points of view on what is going down with that deposition and what Ray is doing and all that.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 09:00:00 PM

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On 2005-10-06 13:01:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well, the trouble is w/ anon proxies. No matter how much of a pain in the ass it is when some control freak uses them to try and disrupt the server, so many people use them legitimately to avoid legal or physical threats while getting their stories out. So, here we are. At some point, if he keeps it up, I may have to get some sort of restraining order or some such. Maybe if I just file suit for all the hours I've spent cleaning up his mess that would do it. I dunno.



Better, though, could someone please try and just convince the little bastard to stop inturrupting our conversation like a hyper fucking toddler?

No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:

"

But you see,this Green Betty is going NOWHERE,so I must police the board in my own style.

Also,even if you know my:
Surname
Given Name
Address
State
Zip Code
Telephone Number
Social Security Number
Email Address
Shoe Size
YOU CANT get a restraining order on ME because I LIVE IN KOREA (and I use public computers).
YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE!
My posts have merit!ALL OF THEM.
I stay ON TOPIC with my suggestions and threats.
I am sincere.
I am a Straightlike program victim.
I was the FIRST non-Straightling to enter The LIFE Program in Osprey/Sarasota Florida.
Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.
I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!
Go fuck yourself Antigen.
YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 09:04:00 PM

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On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2005-10-06 13:01:00, Antigen wrote:


"Well, the trouble is w/ anon proxies. No matter how much of a pain in the ass it is when some control freak uses them to try and disrupt the server, so many people use them legitimately to avoid legal or physical threats while getting their stories out. So, here we are. At some point, if he keeps it up, I may have to get some sort of restraining order or some such. Maybe if I just file suit for all the hours I've spent cleaning up his mess that would do it. I dunno.





Better, though, could someone please try and just convince the little bastard to stop inturrupting our conversation like a hyper fucking toddler?

No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:

"

But you see,this Green Betty is going NOWHERE,so I must police the board in my own style.



Also,even if you know my:

Surname

Given Name

Address

State

Zip Code

Telephone Number

Social Security Number

Email Address

Shoe Size

YOU CANT get a restraining order on ME because I LIVE IN KOREA (and I use public computers).

YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE!

My posts have merit!ALL OF THEM.

I stay ON TOPIC with my suggestions and threats.

I am sincere.

I am a Straightlike program victim.

I was the FIRST non-Straightling to enter The LIFE Program in Osprey/Sarasota Florida.

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

Go fuck yourself Antigen.

YOU need to do a better job of policing this board."

 
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Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 09:04:00 PM

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On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:


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On 2005-10-06 13:01:00, Antigen wrote:



"Well, the trouble is w/ anon proxies. No matter how much of a pain in the ass it is when some control freak uses them to try and disrupt the server, so many people use them legitimately to avoid legal or physical threats while getting their stories out. So, here we are. At some point, if he keeps it up, I may have to get some sort of restraining order or some such. Maybe if I just file suit for all the hours I've spent cleaning up his mess that would do it. I dunno.







Better, though, could someone please try and just convince the little bastard to stop inturrupting our conversation like a hyper fucking toddler?

No matter how great your triumphs or how tragic your defeats---approximately one billion Chinese couldn't care less.
--Lazlo's Chinese Relativity Axiom:

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But you see,this Green Betty is going NOWHERE,so I must police the board in my own style.





Also,even if you know my:


Surname


Given Name


Address


State


Zip Code


Telephone Number


Social Security Number


Email Address


Shoe Size


YOU CANT get a restraining order on ME because I LIVE IN KOREA (and I use public computers).


YOU HAVE A LOT OF NERVE!


My posts have merit!ALL OF THEM.


I stay ON TOPIC with my suggestions and threats.


I am sincere.


I am a Straightlike program victim.


I was the FIRST non-Straightling to enter The LIFE Program in Osprey/Sarasota Florida.


Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.


I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!


Go fuck yourself Antigen.


YOU need to do a better job of policing this board."

 

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Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2005, 09:09:00 PM

You don't live in Korea you little liar, you live in a tiny apartment in St Pete. You are unemployed, hardly ever get laid,   mentally ill, and your a minor hacker, like a fruit fly but not quite as effective.  With the amount of time you devote to disrupting this website, you should be much better, but your limited mental capacity prevents you from actually accomplishing much.

You...are Brian Dodd... DIPSHIT at large.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 06, 2005, 10:42:00 PM

Well greetings hyper toddler.

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

Go fuck yourself Antigen.
YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

No, you go fuck YOURself, Brian! I don't need any such thing. You seem to have a strong desire for me to police the board. For that I suggest you start seeing a dominatrix. Es no mi job, meign!

Quote

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

Yeah, no shit! She's been a sadistic bitch since the early 70's. I never thought she'd turned over a new leaf. She just found herself yet another guru, that's all. Why don't you ever fill us in on the details?

Quote

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

I just....
....had to save this for last.

It's just so fucking comical. I think you're afraid to post to that thread because your still brainwashed. Not that you have any love for the program necessarily. But that you're still believing their lies and jumping at their shadows.

You're in a quickly dwindling minority of people who would be that upset about it.  

Here's a reality check for you on that point. Here's a very short list of notable individuals and organizations that publicly support some form of marijuana policy reform.

them:
Wm. F. Buckley
Have we got a high profile conservative commentator talking up treatment abuse?

A few congressmen:
http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm)

The voters in all of the western states, plus a few (all allow some access to medical marijuana)

King County Bar Association (KCBA) ? an MPP grantee ? released a major new report on the war on drugs.

Participants in MPP's Broad-based coalition to push for changes in drug policy

Washington State Pharmacy Association,
Washington Academy of Family Physicians,
Washington Society of Addiction Medicine,
Washington State Public Health Association,
Church Council of Greater Seattle,
Loren Miller Bar Association,
League of Women Voters of Seattle,
Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility,
Washington State Psychiatric Association
http://www.mpp.org/WA/ (http://www.mpp.org/WA/)

Have we got a handful of lobbying firms, all these professional and religious associations pulling for us?

Former NM Governor Gary Johnson.

Any governors in our camp yet? No?

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, http://leap.cc/ (http://leap.cc/)

Have we got a bunch of cops, judges and prosecutors organizing speakers' bureaus on our behalf? No? Ok...

http://leap.cc/howard (http://leap.cc/howard)

How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?

Do you see how fucking rediculous it is to worry about pot people ruining our credibility and reputaion? We're not talking about drug policy people vs. stock brokers or lawyers kindly old ladies. The reality is probably not far off, but the perception is a bit better for them.

If drug policy people ever reach out to us again (which is unlikely, at least anytime soon), you should welcome them with open arms. As far as credibility goes, we would NOT be getting the shitty end of that stick!




Us:
Montel Williams
1) Major talkshow host. And he happens to fall into the above list.

2) Democrat from California, who's already getting cozy w/ Teenscreen over it.

eeehhhhhr!  :smokin:
Lighten up, please! Forget Korea. Go visit Amsterdam or Vancouver or something.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
   10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
Anonymity Anonymous

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: ex-prisoner on October 06, 2005, 11:15:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-09-30 10:57:00, Antigen wrote:

"Honest to God, I wouldn't have such an interest in these people if the worst they ever did was mess with teenagers and their families for a couple of short years. It's sad that they do that and I feel for each new generation of their emotional victims. But that's not important enough to me to warrant any sustained effort."

Clearly they mess with people for more than a couple of years.

Why do you always downplay your concern about the teen torture industry? You put so much time into fornits here. Plus you have stated previously that you don't want These Fuckers messing with your children or grandchildren.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 12:30:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 20:15:00, ex-prisoner wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-09-30 10:57:00, Antigen wrote:


"Honest to God, I wouldn't have such an interest in these people if the worst they ever did was mess with teenagers and their families for a couple of short years. It's sad that they do that and I feel for each new generation of their emotional victims. But that's not important enough to me to warrant any sustained effort."

Clearly they mess with people for more than a couple of years.



Why do you always downplay your concern about the teen torture industry? You put so much time into fornits here. Plus you have stated previously that you don't want These Fuckers messing with your children or grandchildren."

I think, in context, I was making a comparison to some of the more major league dastardly deeds these people are up to. And I'm still amazed at how many fellow former POWs of ours can't or won't connect the dots.

It's like this; they were dangerous enough when they only had a couple of years to fuck w/ us (mostly) rich white Americans. Now they have the Federal Office of Faith Based and Community Initiatives. That's just one of the more recently formalized operations. They're killing Afghans over poppies and Colombians over coke. Shit, the eraserheads in Utah recently sent in a fucking SWAT team to "take control" of a god damned licensed concert!

Just connect the dots. Close your eyes and imagine what these lunatic mother fuckers like the Semblers would do with any of the leverage that they now have then open a newspaper and read all about it. You think it's coincidence that they're using some of the same tactics in Guantanamo and Abu Grabass as they honed on us? I would if it weren't for so damned many close ties between the people making those calls and the people who tried to brainwash us.

By comparison, we got off damned easy, don't you think? But I'm no fool. I can see where this is going. They're running out of non WASP Americans and ferners to make their quotas. Who's next, ya' think? Jenna and Barbara?

The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 02:14:00 AM

Yeah, I get it about the other stuff. I think about the poor people in prison a lot. It's been more than a couple of years, for at least a certain number of us. Surely you can conceptualize psychic pain that lasts for years, even if you did not have to go through it yourself. not saying you didn't. It's statistics, a certain number respond a certain way, and it isn't fun.

Do you really think it's nothing?

Sometimes it is like wearing a vice grip.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 02:15:00 AM

signed, ex-prisoner

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 02:41:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well greetings hyper toddler.

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:



Go fuck yourself Antigen.

YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

No, you go fuck YOURself, Brian! I don't need any such thing. You seem to have a strong desire for me to police the board. For that I suggest you start seeing a dominatrix. Es no mi job, meign!

Quote

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

Yeah, no shit! She's been a sadistic bitch since the early 70's. I never thought she'd turned over a new leaf. She just found herself yet another guru, that's all. Why don't you ever fill us in on the details?

Quote

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

I just....

....had to save this for last.



It's just so fucking comical. I think you're afraid to post to that thread because your still brainwashed. Not that you have any love for the program necessarily. But that you're still believing their lies and jumping at their shadows.



You're in a quickly dwindling minority of people who would be that upset about it.  



Here's a reality check for you on that point. Here's a very short list of notable individuals and organizations that publicly support some form of marijuana policy reform.



them:

Wm. F. Buckley

Have we got a high profile conservative commentator talking up treatment abuse?



A few congressmen:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm)



The voters in all of the western states, plus a few (all allow some access to medical marijuana)



King County Bar Association (KCBA) ?an MPP grantee ?released a major new report on the war on drugs.



Participants in MPP's Broad-based coalition to push for changes in drug policy



Washington State Pharmacy Association,

Washington Academy of Family Physicians,

Washington Society of Addiction Medicine,

Washington State Public Health Association,

Church Council of Greater Seattle,

Loren Miller Bar Association,

League of Women Voters of Seattle,

Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility,

Washington State Psychiatric Association

http://www.mpp.org/WA/ (http://www.mpp.org/WA/)



Have we got a handful of lobbying firms, all these professional and religious associations pulling for us?



Former NM Governor Gary Johnson.



Any governors in our camp yet? No?



Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, http://leap.cc/ (http://leap.cc/)



Have we got a bunch of cops, judges and prosecutors organizing speakers' bureaus on our behalf? No? Ok...



http://leap.cc/howard (http://leap.cc/howard)



How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?



Do you see how fucking rediculous it is to worry about pot people ruining our credibility and reputaion? We're not talking about drug policy people vs. stock brokers or lawyers kindly old ladies. The reality is probably not far off, but the perception is a bit better for them.



If drug policy people ever reach out to us again (which is unlikely, at least anytime soon), you should welcome them with open arms. As far as credibility goes, we would NOT be getting the shitty end of that stick!









Us:

Montel Williams

1) Major talkshow host. And he happens to fall into the above list.



2) Democrat from California, who's already getting cozy w/ Teenscreen over it.



eeehhhhhr!  :smokin:

Lighten up, please! Forget Korea. Go visit Amsterdam or Vancouver or something.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.

--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Drug war POW

Seed Chicklett `71 - `80

Straight, Sarasota

   10/80 - 10/82

Apostate 10/82 -

Anonymity Anonymous"

Please dont say that I am this"Brian Dobbs",because I am not.
Maybe I deserve to be blocked from participating on your beloved website,but its not fair for YOU to spew your rant and name a person Brian Dobbs,because I am not that person.
You are the cop of this board and you should know better than to make yourself in to a liar when there is no possible way for you to be sure of my true identity.
I am not Brian Dobbs OR Animals.You fool.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 02:47:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"You don't live in Korea you little liar, you live in a tiny apartment in St Pete. You are unemployed, hardly ever get laid,   mentally ill, and your a minor hacker, like a fruit fly but not quite as effective.  With the amount of time you devote to disrupting this website, you should be much better, but your limited mental capacity prevents you from actually accomplishing much.



You...are Brian Dodd... DIPSHIT at large.



"

Yes,I am in Korea (and in 48 hours I will be in China.
I dont live in St Pete.
I am unemployed.
I get laid enough.I feign mental illness to collect an ssi check so that I can travel while unemployed and seek a job in a foreign country.
Im not any kind of hacker,merely an occasional spammer.
My disrupting this website only serves to strengthen it.
I MAY be a "dipshit at large",but I am neither Brian Dobbs OR Animals.

Why do you set yourself up to look like a fool by making such stupid statments about a person who's identity you have NO WAY of verifying?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 02:53:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well greetings hyper toddler.

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:



Go fuck yourself Antigen.

YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

No, you go fuck YOURself, Brian! I don't need any such thing. You seem to have a strong desire for me to police the board. For that I suggest you start seeing a dominatrix. Es no mi job, meign!

Quote

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

Yeah, no shit! She's been a sadistic bitch since the early 70's. I never thought she'd turned over a new leaf. She just found herself yet another guru, that's all. Why don't you ever fill us in on the details?

Quote

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

I just....

....had to save this for last.



It's just so fucking comical. I think you're afraid to post to that thread because your still brainwashed. Not that you have any love for the program necessarily. But that you're still believing their lies and jumping at their shadows.



You're in a quickly dwindling minority of people who would be that upset about it.  



Here's a reality check for you on that point. Here's a very short list of notable individuals and organizations that publicly support some form of marijuana policy reform.



them:

Wm. F. Buckley

Have we got a high profile conservative commentator talking up treatment abuse?



A few congressmen:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm)



The voters in all of the western states, plus a few (all allow some access to medical marijuana)



King County Bar Association (KCBA) ?an MPP grantee ?released a major new report on the war on drugs.



Participants in MPP's Broad-based coalition to push for changes in drug policy



Washington State Pharmacy Association,

Washington Academy of Family Physicians,

Washington Society of Addiction Medicine,

Washington State Public Health Association,

Church Council of Greater Seattle,

Loren Miller Bar Association,

League of Women Voters of Seattle,

Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility,

Washington State Psychiatric Association

http://www.mpp.org/WA/ (http://www.mpp.org/WA/)



Have we got a handful of lobbying firms, all these professional and religious associations pulling for us?



Former NM Governor Gary Johnson.



Any governors in our camp yet? No?



Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, http://leap.cc/ (http://leap.cc/)



Have we got a bunch of cops, judges and prosecutors organizing speakers' bureaus on our behalf? No? Ok...



http://leap.cc/howard (http://leap.cc/howard)



How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?



Do you see how fucking rediculous it is to worry about pot people ruining our credibility and reputaion? We're not talking about drug policy people vs. stock brokers or lawyers kindly old ladies. The reality is probably not far off, but the perception is a bit better for them.



If drug policy people ever reach out to us again (which is unlikely, at least anytime soon), you should welcome them with open arms. As far as credibility goes, we would NOT be getting the shitty end of that stick!









Us:

Montel Williams

1) Major talkshow host. And he happens to fall into the above list.



2) Democrat from California, who's already getting cozy w/ Teenscreen over it.



eeehhhhhr!  :smokin:

Lighten up, please! Forget Korea. Go visit Amsterdam or Vancouver or something.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.

--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Drug war POW

Seed Chicklett `71 - `80

Straight, Sarasota

   10/80 - 10/82

Apostate 10/82 -

Anonymity Anonymous"

I forgot to say:
I smoke pot,and I dont need Montel Williams or the police to give me permission to do it.
Get a grip ,cunt.
(Im not Brian Dobbs OR Animals)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 03:08:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well greetings hyper toddler.

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:



Go fuck yourself Antigen.

YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

No, you go fuck YOURself, Brian! I don't need any such thing. You seem to have a strong desire for me to police the board. For that I suggest you start seeing a dominatrix. Es no mi job, meign!

Quote

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

Yeah, no shit! She's been a sadistic bitch since the early 70's. I never thought she'd turned over a new leaf. She just found herself yet another guru, that's all. Why don't you ever fill us in on the details?

Quote

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

I just....

....had to save this for last.



It's just so fucking comical. I think you're afraid to post to that thread because your still brainwashed. Not that you have any love for the program necessarily. But that you're still believing their lies and jumping at their shadows.



You're in a quickly dwindling minority of people who would be that upset about it.  



Here's a reality check for you on that point. Here's a very short list of notable individuals and organizations that publicly support some form of marijuana policy reform.



them:

Wm. F. Buckley

Have we got a high profile conservative commentator talking up treatment abuse?



A few congressmen:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm)



The voters in all of the western states, plus a few (all allow some access to medical marijuana)



King County Bar Association (KCBA) ?an MPP grantee ?released a major new report on the war on drugs.



Participants in MPP's Broad-based coalition to push for changes in drug policy



Washington State Pharmacy Association,

Washington Academy of Family Physicians,

Washington Society of Addiction Medicine,

Washington State Public Health Association,

Church Council of Greater Seattle,

Loren Miller Bar Association,

League of Women Voters of Seattle,

Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility,

Washington State Psychiatric Association

http://www.mpp.org/WA/ (http://www.mpp.org/WA/)



Have we got a handful of lobbying firms, all these professional and religious associations pulling for us?



Former NM Governor Gary Johnson.



Any governors in our camp yet? No?



Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, http://leap.cc/ (http://leap.cc/)



Have we got a bunch of cops, judges and prosecutors organizing speakers' bureaus on our behalf? No? Ok...



http://leap.cc/howard (http://leap.cc/howard)



How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?



Do you see how fucking rediculous it is to worry about pot people ruining our credibility and reputaion? We're not talking about drug policy people vs. stock brokers or lawyers kindly old ladies. The reality is probably not far off, but the perception is a bit better for them.



If drug policy people ever reach out to us again (which is unlikely, at least anytime soon), you should welcome them with open arms. As far as credibility goes, we would NOT be getting the shitty end of that stick!









Us:

Montel Williams

1) Major talkshow host. And he happens to fall into the above list.



2) Democrat from California, who's already getting cozy w/ Teenscreen over it.



eeehhhhhr!  :smokin:

Lighten up, please! Forget Korea. Go visit Amsterdam or Vancouver or something.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.

--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Drug war POW

Seed Chicklett `71 - `80

Straight, Sarasota

   10/80 - 10/82

Apostate 10/82 -

Anonymity Anonymous"

You have successfully blocked ALL of the free computers at "The Texas Street Foreigners Information Center" in Pusan South Korea.
Congratulations!
Remember that it was in Korea that the brainwashing techniques used by Straightlike were perfected.
Daily I must listen to the screams of the drunken homeless braindamaged Koreans fighting with one another because of the torture they endured so many years ago,and thier family members up until this day.
Now you have prevented those of us who have first hand access to these people from writing about it if we try to use the four public computers on Texas Street.
All because YOU THINK I am Brian Dobbs.
I am not Brian Dobbs or Animals,you fool!
I will arrive in China in 48 hours.
You will never be able to block all of the Chinese computers!
I bet you never dreamed that fornits could be accessed by virtualy all public computers in "red" China.
You are more in to censorship than the entire Chinese Communist Government!
You better check yourself,cunt.
Maybe you should go over to Wes Fagers house and have a nice Chinese flag burning party.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 03:12:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well greetings hyper toddler.

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:



Go fuck yourself Antigen.

YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

No, you go fuck YOURself, Brian! I don't need any such thing. You seem to have a strong desire for me to police the board. For that I suggest you start seeing a dominatrix. Es no mi job, meign!

Quote

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

Yeah, no shit! She's been a sadistic bitch since the early 70's. I never thought she'd turned over a new leaf. She just found herself yet another guru, that's all. Why don't you ever fill us in on the details?

Quote

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

I just....

....had to save this for last.



It's just so fucking comical. I think you're afraid to post to that thread because your still brainwashed. Not that you have any love for the program necessarily. But that you're still believing their lies and jumping at their shadows.



You're in a quickly dwindling minority of people who would be that upset about it.  



Here's a reality check for you on that point. Here's a very short list of notable individuals and organizations that publicly support some form of marijuana policy reform.



them:

Wm. F. Buckley

Have we got a high profile conservative commentator talking up treatment abuse?



A few congressmen:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm)



The voters in all of the western states, plus a few (all allow some access to medical marijuana)



King County Bar Association (KCBA) ?an MPP grantee ?released a major new report on the war on drugs.



Participants in MPP's Broad-based coalition to push for changes in drug policy



Washington State Pharmacy Association,

Washington Academy of Family Physicians,

Washington Society of Addiction Medicine,

Washington State Public Health Association,

Church Council of Greater Seattle,

Loren Miller Bar Association,

League of Women Voters of Seattle,

Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility,

Washington State Psychiatric Association

http://www.mpp.org/WA/ (http://www.mpp.org/WA/)



Have we got a handful of lobbying firms, all these professional and religious associations pulling for us?



Former NM Governor Gary Johnson.



Any governors in our camp yet? No?



Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, http://leap.cc/ (http://leap.cc/)



Have we got a bunch of cops, judges and prosecutors organizing speakers' bureaus on our behalf? No? Ok...



http://leap.cc/howard (http://leap.cc/howard)



How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?



Do you see how fucking rediculous it is to worry about pot people ruining our credibility and reputaion? We're not talking about drug policy people vs. stock brokers or lawyers kindly old ladies. The reality is probably not far off, but the perception is a bit better for them.



If drug policy people ever reach out to us again (which is unlikely, at least anytime soon), you should welcome them with open arms. As far as credibility goes, we would NOT be getting the shitty end of that stick!









Us:

Montel Williams

1) Major talkshow host. And he happens to fall into the above list.



2) Democrat from California, who's already getting cozy w/ Teenscreen over it.



eeehhhhhr!  :smokin:

Lighten up, please! Forget Korea. Go visit Amsterdam or Vancouver or something.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.

--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Drug war POW

Seed Chicklett `71 - `80

Straight, Sarasota

   10/80 - 10/82

Apostate 10/82 -

Anonymity Anonymous"

I had to pay a whopping 1,000WON (less than $1) to use this computer just to inform you that I AM NOT BRIAN DOBBS (or Animals).

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 03:17:00 AM

How do you know you aren't him? Maybe you're in the middle of a big delusion, like in the Wizard of Oz! Did she just hit her head? Or did she really go there? That was a Hollywood conceit on the original material, which is quite extensive, and goes into some excellent detail on things like islands where people take root so they can never get off, oh my god, the most splendid fairy tales. oh yes, one island the people are made of china. did you know that oz is surrounded by a vast desert on all sides? it's true. for some reason in the book the Scarecrow got pins stuck in his head, when he asked for a brain. i am not kidding. you are wondering why you never knew about these most amazing things. Anyways, point being, yes indeedy, in the original and therefor more true story, she did too so go to Oz. undeniable. she goes back, she has many more adventures, and exhibits no outward signs of having suffered as many concussions as visits. case closed.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 03:28:00 AM

Antigen is a source of lots of information.
Its when she is interacting with others that she shows her true self as a scumbad 7Stepping child abuser.
She is blasting me saying that I am this Dobbs person with NO WAY to verify it.
Antigen should join the police force or George Bush war cabinet,because clearly THATS how her mind works.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 03:35:00 AM

Back in the day, when they were making the movie, I think they were rather obsessed with melting and fainting females.

L. Frank Baum himself, well someone told me he was racist. Ooooh, that's what a Hottentot is. There were hordes of them, they had little wheels for feet so they could rush around like herds of beasties across the desert. I guess Africa was still the Dark Continent in the minds of the people to the north. Well it's got all those dark people, and lions and crocodiles and jungles and uh, damn it's just so huge. Now note the press on it, it can be disrespectful in clever ways. Colonial history. By the by, Africans enslaved each other. And U.S.Aans, if they are not as primitive as they imagine some of the other people's to be, are failing to pull the rod out their ass that those bizarro Puritans suggested that everybody stick up, er, it. As for whose lifestyle I would bank on, I'm gonna go with Hunter-Gatherer. At least what I know of them so far. I'll let you know if I change my mind on that one.

Course fairy tales you can always have fun with the metaphors, or the psychoanalysis, yada yada. Never as much fun as reading it the first time.

Don't forget that the modern human is jealous beyond compare, and tries but miserably fails to recreate anything near as good as  the original excitement.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:47:00 AM

good lord child, just because you have a remote IP that sometimes  indicates the bandwith is coming from Korea, and I really want you to get this..


DOES NOT MEAN YOU ACTUALLY ARE THERE.

Take your meds Brian.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 11:26:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 23:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

 Surely you can conceptualize psychic pain that lasts for years, even if you did not have to go through it yourself. not saying you didn't. It's statistics, a certain number respond a certain way, and it isn't fun.

Yeah. I think our troll stated pretty clearly one point of that. He seems to think that all the druggies in the world are his enemy. That would be a horrible belief to live with. I'm trying to dispell it.

I believe that human beings arrive on this Earth wanting to know absolutely everything, and the best thing we can do as parents is to get out of the way -- just be there to let them know what opportunities are there
-- Dorothy Werner, media liaison for the National Homeschool Association

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 11:39:00 AM

So what happens now w/ Betty Sembler's Depo? Any thoughts? No?

Ok, in related news, Calvina Fay recently debated Allen St. Pierre. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight!

Click Here and enjoy!

It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was
made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions.
There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to
govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be
masters.

--Daniel Webster

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 11:51:00 AM

Ginger, the link doesn't appear to work. Just comes up with a USA page but no link to play anything.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 12:28:00 PM

Look, kid, you want to me to send you 164-pages of pdf files, you are going to have to ask me directly, okay? Can you just give me that?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 12:48:00 PM

I was talking about the

"Ok, in related news, Calvina Fay recently debated Allen St. Pierre. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight!"

The link doesn't display the debate for some reason.

I just wanted to listen to it.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 12:59:00 PM

I know. I can't get it to load either. Tried 4 different browser/terminal combos. Finally got a very informative message stating that one would have to update several pieces of mmedia softwear to the version released about a minute ago in order to view the content. Oh well. Hopefully someone will put a copy out there in a more accessible format.

Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die
-- Malachy McCourt

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 02:14:00 PM

Brian, you don't seriously believe that I'm sitting here watching your every post and manually banning each IP you use, do you? Trust me, you put a LOT more time into this than I do.

But why, is what I want to know. Earlier you said something to the effect that you thought all those other LIFErs were horrible druggies who needed or deserved their 'treatment'; that you alone were innocent and undeserving.

You believe that too?

First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.
Gandhi

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 02:48:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:



How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?

I'll do it, if you can keep me supplied with WEED for the trip.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 04:15:00 PM

w/e AntiPunkasswhore,

it matters little to me what you say and what or who you think I am. It's funny cos you'll never catch me. But rest assured, I see any of you sorry niggers, Ray, Mike, his family, or anyone else come into my neck of the woods...I got something for your child molestin asses.

Burn in hell with Betty, you fucked up Straight survivor posers.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Helena Handbasket on October 07, 2005, 05:22:00 PM

Whoops... double post[ This Message was edited by: Helena Handbasket on 2005-10-07 14:24 ]

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Helena Handbasket on October 07, 2005, 05:22:00 PM

GILLIGAN Lil Buddy... you're alive!

 ::bangin::

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 05:29:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"w/e AntiPunkasswhore,



it matters little to me what you say and what or who you think I am. It's funny cos you'll never catch me. But rest assured, I see any of you sorry niggers, Ray, Mike, his family, or anyone else come into my neck of the woods...

Er, would that be Korea or St Pete, Brian?

 :grin:  :grin:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 05:30:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 14:22:00, Helena Handbasket wrote:

"GILLIGAN Lil Buddy... you're alive!



 ::bangin:: "

He talks all this crap, but then when he sees them in person he is a puppy dod.

You see, Brian is just a wittle guy...

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 05:39:00 PM

I can't seem to find it right now in the flurry of posts, but I think he told us the real deal. He said something to the effect that he alone was the innocent victim in LIFE and that all the rest were dirty, rotten, druggie bullies.

I wonder if that's it? I wonder if maybe he really is ok w/ the program, just that it was all a mistake that his blameless little self got a dose of it too?

Is that it, Brian? Are you just okee dokee w/ the program, except that it wasn't meant for you and maybe it wasn't violent enough? Is it your mission in life to finish what the Programmed drug warriors failed at and do us all in w/ your crow bar and shotgun?

It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion.

--Joseph Goebbels

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:23:00 PM

Brian Dodd from the Korean section of the ghetto in St Pete said:


" I remember two kinds of people in my Straightlike program.
There were people like me who were put there because our families were tricked in to it (or a younger sibling duped in to it.
The other kind were teenage fuck ups who were really alcoholics and heavy drug users at a young age and really needed some kind of help or intervention but were duped because the program further harmed them.
I resent being subjected to the abuse I suffered at the hands of these genuine druggie types who were handed a license to bully me because they made a higher phase than me!
I am still watching for all of you and when I see you or your property I will do great harm and damage!
Sleep with one eye open motherfuckers!"


Yep, it seems that Brian Dodd really thinks we all deserved the program, all except him.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:38:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 04:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"good lord child, just because you have a remote IP that sometimes  indicates the bandwith is coming from Korea, and I really want you to get this..





DOES NOT MEAN YOU ACTUALLY ARE THERE.



Take your meds Brian.



"

Please tell me:
WHY ON EARTH would I lie about something as simple as my being in Korea?
Do you think being in Korea is glamorous or something?
I am not in the military,but considering that there are 30,000 American soldiers in Korea it is not out of the realm of possibilities that I could very well be in Korea.
If I am in Korea,and I am,then that would make you wrong when you say that I am Brian Dobbs (I am not Dobbs,but I guess it is in the realm of possibilities that Dobbs also could be in Korea).

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:45:00 PM

If your in Korea your 11-12 hours ahead in time. So how do you get to a public computer in the middle of the night?

Your a liar! and NUTS

Brian "NUTS" Dobbs

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:48:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 14:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-07 13:15:00, Anonymous wrote:


"w/e AntiPunkasswhore,





it matters little to me what you say and what or who you think I am. It's funny cos you'll never catch me. But rest assured, I see any of you sorry niggers, Ray, Mike, his family, or anyone else come into my neck of the woods...

Er, would that be Korea or St Pete, Brian?



 :grin:  :grin:

"

I am not Brian Dobbs.
I AM in Korea.
I did not write the "Punkasswhores" post.
I make threats.
I hate the "famous Straights" and all 7Steppers and I dont feel sorry for anyone who ever got off of first phase.
I think Wes Fager website,the cleaned up one,hurts the cause against Sembler.
I think KPickle is an asshole liar child murderer and his whore wife will be killed before his very eyes.
I plan to use a cordless drill to slowly drive 144 corkscrews in to any of the above mentioned when I get them in my office,and videotape it all.
Im NOT Brian Dobbs,Animals,Montel Williams OR William F. Buckley!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:51:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 11:14:00, Antigen wrote:

"Brian, you don't seriously believe that I'm sitting here watching your every post and manually banning each IP you use, do you?

Im not Brian Dobbs and YES

 Trust me, you put a LOT more time into this than I do.
 
No I dont

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 07:53:00 PM

Ok, you don't like being called Brian Dobbs. How about Alexander Dodd? Would that suite you better?

A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:54:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 16:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Brian Dodd from the Korean section of the ghetto in St Pete said:





" I remember two kinds of people in my Straightlike program.

There were people like me who were put there because our families were tricked in to it (or a younger sibling duped in to it.

The other kind were teenage fuck ups who were really alcoholics and heavy drug users at a young age and really needed some kind of help or intervention but were duped because the program further harmed them.

I resent being subjected to the abuse I suffered at the hands of these genuine druggie types who were handed a license to bully me because they made a higher phase than me!

I am still watching for all of you and when I see you or your property I will do great harm and damage!

Sleep with one eye open motherfuckers!"





Yep, it seems that Brian Dodd really thinks we all deserved the program, all except him.





"

I said that (Im not Brian Dobbs).
No,the program was BAD,nobody should have been there.

The 50% of genuine druggies that WERE there should have been somewhere,and that somewhere should have not been with me.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:57:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 16:45:00, Anonymous wrote:

"If your in Korea your 11-12 hours ahead in time. So how do you get to a public computer in the middle of the night?



Your a liar! and NUTS



Brian "NUTS" Dobbs"

The public computers on TEXAS STREET in PUSAN KOREA are available from 9AM to 5PM Korea time.
In Korea are "PC Room" ("PC Baang"-pronounced pee shee baang),internet cafe costing about $1 per hour)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 07:59:00 PM

Then you were posting earlier before they were open.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:01:00 PM

In all the time I was at Straight nobody ever threatened to KILL me.

So you are worse than anyone at Straight!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:04:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 16:53:00, Antigen wrote:

"Ok, you don't like being called Brian Dobbs. How about Alexander Dodd? Would that suite you better?

A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela

"

I like ANON because:
Its faster.
You have threatened to report me to law enforcment for my genuine threats.
I have personally met with famous Straightlikes and wish to remain ANON.
(I have given plenty of "clues" that you should find my identity,Example:I was the first non-Straightling  male to enter LIFE Osprey,off the street so to speak,when group was held in a small building,formerly a gay bar,across the street from the more modern LIFE building).

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 08:05:00 PM

Ok, you don't like being called Brian Dobbs. How about Alexander Dodd? Would that suite you better?

Neither in my private life nor in my writings, have I ever made a secret of being an out-and-out unbeliever.
--Sigmund Freud, Austrian-born psychologist

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:05:00 PM

A fiictional character on an internet forum worse than anyone in Straight? I take it you went to the fictional internet Straight.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:06:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 16:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Then you were posting earlier before they were open.



"

Open 24hrs,there are THOUSANDS of them (Today I am in InCheon Korea,not Pusan)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:09:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 17:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"In all the time I was at Straight nobody ever threatened to KILL me.



So you are worse than anyone at Straight!"

I have "Gong Fu"(I do not have any martial arts skills),so many people my have a superstition that I am a threat to the entire planet,but I am not.

I was 14 when the state committed me to LIFE,sometimes WRONGLY considered a kinder gentler version of Straight.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:10:00 PM

Ok smart ass, go take a digital picture of todays Korean paper and post it. You have 30 minutes. If you got the guts post your picture too.

Bet you can't do it.

Because in St. Pete

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:13:00 PM

8:12 pm friday............

no way you can do it because your not there

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:15:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 17:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"In all the time I was at Straight nobody ever threatened to KILL me.



So you are worse than anyone at Straight!"

People in Straight inadverntenly threatened to kill me.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:17:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 17:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ok smart ass, go take a digital picture of todays Korean paper and post it. You have 30 minutes. If you got the guts post your picture too.



Bet you can't do it.



Because in St. Pete



"

I dont have a digital camera,but I have a few snaps left on my 35mm.When I arrive in China tomorrow I will write SAMMY SCABBY COOZE HOLE on a large piece of paper written in Chinese,and pose with it (not showing my face)standing in Tianianmen Square and a large picture of Mao Tse Dong in the background hanging on the front of The Forbidden City.I will have the film processed with a photo CD included,then download the photo to this website,but thats going to take a week or two.If I do THAT will you stop believing I am Dobbs,or will you think I am a friend of Dobbs living in China who has been put to the task on behalf of Dobbs.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:19:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 17:13:00, Anonymous wrote:

"8:12 pm friday............



no way you can do it because your not there



"

It is now 9:21AM in InCheon Korea.
I am in PC Room across the street from the Dong-Incheon subway stop,in an alley next to the McDonalds.

Why so fascinated with this?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:20:00 PM

While I was in Straight nobody ever said the following or anywhere near it to me.

Quote

.

I think KPickle is an asshole liar child murderer and his whore wife will be killed before his very eyes.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:25:00 PM

I have been to China and I know that digital cameras are around everyones necks. You could even have someone take a video on a cell phone and send it to Ginger in about 5 minutes flat.

If your really there................

Anyone can find a picture from Tienaman square and post it and then say hey the guy in the red shirt is me.

So go get todays paper and take a picture...........

You can't because you are not there...........

You got like 20 minutes now so get on with it.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 08:27:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 17:17:00, Anonymous wrote:

If I do THAT will you stop believing I am Dobbs,or will you think I am a friend of Dobbs living in China who has been put to the task on behalf of Dobbs.

I'd think you were a geek w/ Photoshop who's putting entirely too much time and attention into this.

Pray: To ask that the laws of the universe be annulled in behalf of a single petitioner confessedly unworthy.
--Ambrose Bierce

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:30:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 17:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have been to China and I know that digital cameras are around everyones necks. You could even have someone take a video on a cell phone and send it to Ginger in about 5 minutes flat.



If your really there................



Anyone can find a picture from Tienaman square and post it and then say hey the guy in the red shirt is me.



So go get todays paper and take a picture...........



You can't because you are not there...........



You got like 20 minutes now so get on with it.







"

You have a good idea about borrowing someones camera,but the news paper would be impossible.
I could get a copy of the english version of China Daily,but you may have trouble verifying even THAT one.

I think Sammy Scabby Cooze Hole written in Chinese will do.
How many fingers do you want me to hold up?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:38:00 PM

Gee, I don't know how many fingers. How many layers do you plan on using to make your picture on Paint?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:46:00 PM

The China Daily will work. It will show todays date. And it's not available here. It is but hard to find.

Take a close-up of the date. Use someones cell phone. Send it to ginger.

Hurry up, you don't have much time left.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:47:00 PM

It's should say October 8th

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 08:48:00 PM

Just ask someone to take the picture and send it via email to Ginger.

No porblemo Bat Man.............

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:08:00 PM

So where is the picture?

You can't do it because your not there!

Running up to Barnes and Nobel won't work the dates on the paper will be wrong.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:10:00 PM

I have alot of trouble using layers and my Paint program too, give him some time , geesh  :razz:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:16:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 18:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I have alot of trouble using layers and my Paint program too, give him some time , geesh  ::bangin::  ::bangin::  ::bangin::  ::rocker::  ::rocker::  ::rocker::  ::both::  ::both::  ::both::

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:25:00 PM

So Ginger,

Did you get a picture from the Millado Crowbar yielding person holding a China Daily with tomorrows date?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 07, 2005, 09:28:00 PM

No, still waiting.

No gods, no masters.
--margaret Sanger

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:32:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"So where is the picture?



You can't do it because your not there!



Running up to Barnes and Nobel won't work the dates on the paper will be wrong.



"

Im in InCheon Korea today,will arrive QingDao China about noon tomorrow (China time).It will be a few days before I arrive Beijing Tianianmen Square.

There is NO MISTAKING a crowd of genuine Chinese people no matter what city.
I will play your little game,but its going to take a few days.

I am only doing this as proof that I am not Dobbs,or anybody you may think I am.

We can work out the details later weather I should hold op a newspaper or some other kind of proof.

Im NOT Brian Dobbs,and unless you personally know me,you can NEVER guess who I am.
I was in LIFE.
Nobody from the opening days of LIFE ever post here.I was there DAY ONE.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:33:00 PM

For what?? To see if animals is in China??? Who gives a fuck where he is, just so long as he isn't here? :question:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:34:00 PM

Oh nevermind, spoke too soon....

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:34:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 18:33:00, Anonymous wrote:

"For what?? To see if animals is in China??? Who gives a fuck where he is, just so long as he isn't here? :question: "

EXACTLY!!!

Im not Brian Dobbs or Animals OR Dr Phil.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:36:00 PM

Im not Dobbs,but I am the person who spammed this thread a couple of days ago with emotocons.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:39:00 PM

I enjoy bricks that don't have my name on 'em. And yeah, you got it ALL of it right. It's that darned life program, and that Straight program you mutts were all in. And Ray B. and Mike and all the other fuckasses know I'd bust a cap in they heads if they come around. Wouldn't matter what size I be or what my name was, they are liars. You can call me by someone else's name if you like if it makes you feel like you matter Gin, and the others can hide behind their sorry nicknames, too. Don't hurt me a bit. But what is really the funniest is that ever REAL survivor who is not spinning controversy, a point that you continually try to change or ignore is that you are working for Sembler and all the cronies of Straight Incorporated. You are Pro-Newton, Antigin and we know it. So go ahead, keep calling whoever you think I a freak or w/e it is you are saying that makes no sense. I count you in with other post graduates like Ray and Mike and Sammie. You are pro-child abuse and I think you advocate for child molesting. You are a liar and so are the rest of that hasbeen bunch. I don't believe a word Betty says just as much as what you say has no credibility either. You see, I'm just a big motherfucker. Although, I am glad to know that you gave up your tell when you projected that you are actually working for Lenny. ... said it all right there. Thanks, Ginger Warbis.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:42:00 PM

I think I know who you are and I don't think your Dobbs. You like to wear a cowboy hat, drive and old Chevy or similar, and have very long hair. You have been to China more than once.

You or your folks live or lived in Sarasota about 2+ years ago.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: teachback on October 07, 2005, 09:43:00 PM

No one gives a shit anymore, bud. You'd best just pack it in, son...no, not in anyone's ass -- you just ain't gettin' over like you think you used to. Your wasting your breath here, and everyone else's time. Time to lay down that crowbar, and snap into a slim-jim.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 09:58:00 PM

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On 2005-10-07 18:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I enjoy bricks that don't have my name on 'em. And yeah, you got it ALL of it right. It's that darned life program, and that Straight program you mutts were all in. And Ray B. and Mike and all the other fuckasses know I'd bust a cap in they heads if they come around. Wouldn't matter what size I be or what my name was, they are liars. You can call me by someone else's name if you like if it makes you feel like you matter Gin, and the others can hide behind their sorry nicknames, too. Don't hurt me a bit. But what is really the funniest is that ever REAL survivor who is not spinning controversy, a point that you continually try to change or ignore is that you are working for Sembler and all the cronies of Straight Incorporated. You are Pro-Newton, Antigin and we know it. So go ahead, keep calling whoever you think I a freak or w/e it is you are saying that makes no sense. I count you in with other post graduates like Ray and Mike and Sammie. You are pro-child abuse and I think you advocate for child molesting. You are a liar and so are the rest of that hasbeen bunch. I don't believe a word Betty says just as much as what you say has no credibility either. You see, I'm just a big motherfucker. Although, I am glad to know that you gave up your tell when you projected that you are actually working for Lenny. ... said it all right there. Thanks, Ginger Warbis."

Although a bit too strong,I agree with the above.

(Im not Brian Dobbs)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:00:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 18:43:00, Frank Discussion wrote:

"No one gives a shit anymore, bud. You'd best just pack it in, son...no, not in anyone's ass -- you just ain't gettin' over like you think you used to. Your wasting your breath here, and everyone else's time. Time to lay down that crowbar, and snap into a slim-jim."

 :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :rofl:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:02:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 18:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think I know who you are and I don't think your Dobbs. You like to wear a cowboy hat, drive and old Chevy or similar, and have very long hair. You have been to China more than once.



You or your folks live or lived in Sarasota about 2+ years ago.



"

Minor Corrections:
Never wore a cowboy hat.
Last drove a GM Van,but now a Dodge,but I quit driving ($384 per month not enough anymore).
ALWAYS lived in Sarasota.
Been to China countless times and also 25 other countries,on $384 per month.
Im not Dobbs.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:04:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-06 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:

"Well greetings hyper toddler.

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:



Go fuck yourself Antigen.

YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

No, you go fuck YOURself, Brian! I don't need any such thing. You seem to have a strong desire for me to police the board. For that I suggest you start seeing a dominatrix. Es no mi job, meign!

Quote

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

Yeah, no shit! She's been a sadistic bitch since the early 70's. I never thought she'd turned over a new leaf. She just found herself yet another guru, that's all. Why don't you ever fill us in on the details?

Quote

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

I just....

....had to save this for last.



It's just so fucking comical. I think you're afraid to post to that thread because your still brainwashed. Not that you have any love for the program necessarily. But that you're still believing their lies and jumping at their shadows.



You're in a quickly dwindling minority of people who would be that upset about it.  



Here's a reality check for you on that point. Here's a very short list of notable individuals and organizations that publicly support some form of marijuana policy reform.



them:

Wm. F. Buckley

Have we got a high profile conservative commentator talking up treatment abuse?



A few congressmen:

http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm)



The voters in all of the western states, plus a few (all allow some access to medical marijuana)



King County Bar Association (KCBA) ?an MPP grantee ?released a major new report on the war on drugs.



Participants in MPP's Broad-based coalition to push for changes in drug policy



Washington State Pharmacy Association,

Washington Academy of Family Physicians,

Washington Society of Addiction Medicine,

Washington State Public Health Association,

Church Council of Greater Seattle,

Loren Miller Bar Association,

League of Women Voters of Seattle,

Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility,

Washington State Psychiatric Association

http://www.mpp.org/WA/ (http://www.mpp.org/WA/)



Have we got a handful of lobbying firms, all these professional and religious associations pulling for us?



Former NM Governor Gary Johnson.



Any governors in our camp yet? No?



Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, http://leap.cc/ (http://leap.cc/)



Have we got a bunch of cops, judges and prosecutors organizing speakers' bureaus on our behalf? No? Ok...



http://leap.cc/howard (http://leap.cc/howard)



How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?



Do you see how fucking rediculous it is to worry about pot people ruining our credibility and reputaion? We're not talking about drug policy people vs. stock brokers or lawyers kindly old ladies. The reality is probably not far off, but the perception is a bit better for them.



If drug policy people ever reach out to us again (which is unlikely, at least anytime soon), you should welcome them with open arms. As far as credibility goes, we would NOT be getting the shitty end of that stick!









Us:

Montel Williams

1) Major talkshow host. And he happens to fall into the above list.



2) Democrat from California, who's already getting cozy w/ Teenscreen over it.



eeehhhhhr!  :smokin:

Lighten up, please! Forget Korea. Go visit Amsterdam or Vancouver or something.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.

--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Drug war POW

Seed Chicklett `71 - `80

Straight, Sarasota

   10/80 - 10/82

Apostate 10/82 -

Anonymity Anonymous"

I TOLD YOU Im not brian Dobbs,you abusive stinking 7Stepper.You slimebags NEVER change your abusive behavior!You Vagi-Thug cunt!!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:08:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-06 19:42:00, Antigen wrote:


"Well greetings hyper toddler.

Quote

On 2005-10-06 18:00:00, Anonymous wrote:





Go fuck yourself Antigen.


YOU need to do a better job of policing this board.

No, you go fuck YOURself, Brian! I don't need any such thing. You seem to have a strong desire for me to police the board. For that I suggest you start seeing a dominatrix. Es no mi job, meign!

Quote

Miss Pete PERSONALLY broke my skin and made me bleed.

Yeah, no shit! She's been a sadistic bitch since the early 70's. I never thought she'd turned over a new leaf. She just found herself yet another guru, that's all. Why don't you ever fill us in on the details?

Quote

I NEVER discuss "I JUST" or this such nonsense!

I just....


....had to save this for last.





It's just so fucking comical. I think you're afraid to post to that thread because your still brainwashed. Not that you have any love for the program necessarily. But that you're still believing their lies and jumping at their shadows.





You're in a quickly dwindling minority of people who would be that upset about it.  





Here's a reality check for you on that point. Here's a very short list of notable individuals and organizations that publicly support some form of marijuana policy reform.





them:


Wm. F. Buckley


Have we got a high profile conservative commentator talking up treatment abuse?





A few congressmen:


http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm (http://www.commondreams.org/news2005/0504-11.htm)





The voters in all of the western states, plus a few (all allow some access to medical marijuana)





King County Bar Association (KCBA) ?an MPP grantee ?released a major new report on the war on drugs.





Participants in MPP's Broad-based coalition to push for changes in drug policy





Washington State Pharmacy Association,


Washington Academy of Family Physicians,


Washington Society of Addiction Medicine,


Washington State Public Health Association,


Church Council of Greater Seattle,


Loren Miller Bar Association,


League of Women Voters of Seattle,


Washington Physicians for Social Responsibility,


Washington State Psychiatric Association


http://www.mpp.org/WA/ (http://www.mpp.org/WA/)





Have we got a handful of lobbying firms, all these professional and religious associations pulling for us?





Former NM Governor Gary Johnson.





Any governors in our camp yet? No?





Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, http://leap.cc/ (http://leap.cc/)





Have we got a bunch of cops, judges and prosecutors organizing speakers' bureaus on our behalf? No? Ok...





http://leap.cc/howard (http://leap.cc/howard)





How about just one of us cracked mother fuckers w/ the time and inclination to ride cross country w/ a provocative tshirt and some printed material. Think people would be offering us help and lodging all along the way?





Do you see how fucking rediculous it is to worry about pot people ruining our credibility and reputaion? We're not talking about drug policy people vs. stock brokers or lawyers kindly old ladies. The reality is probably not far off, but the perception is a bit better for them.





If drug policy people ever reach out to us again (which is unlikely, at least anytime soon), you should welcome them with open arms. As far as credibility goes, we would NOT be getting the shitty end of that stick!














Us:


Montel Williams


1) Major talkshow host. And he happens to fall into the above list.





2) Democrat from California, who's already getting cozy w/ Teenscreen over it.





eeehhhhhr!  :smokin:


Lighten up, please! Forget Korea. Go visit Amsterdam or Vancouver or something.

Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man.


--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

_________________


Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen


Drug war POW


Seed Chicklett `71 - `80


Straight, Sarasota


   10/80 - 10/82


Apostate 10/82 -


Anonymity Anonymous"

I TOLD YOU Im not brian Dobbs,you abusive stinking 7Stepper.You slimebags NEVER change your abusive behavior!You Vagi-Thug cunt!!!!"

I made two pages of spam,then you started calling me Dobbs and blocked the computers I was using,then I got 6 PAGES of "non Betty" style replies.
Whats all this GREEN Betty Post about anyway?
Just let this Off Topic Green Betty GO already.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:10:00 PM

Ok, I've had enough for tonight.

Bottom line is Semblers are in trouble. I don't really care what dobbs or the guy from China thinks. The abusers were Sembler and company. Sherman and crew are not and have never worked with them. Sherman and company have tirelessly sought accountabiliy for crimes commited against them and their friends. If you think other wise your either dumb, nuts, illinformed, or irrational, or all of the above.

The truth is the truth and you can't stop it.

Oh and guess what, when the class action suit comes, if you don't name yourself you won't be in it! And it is coming, just a matter of time. Time has always been on our " the survivors" side.

The statute of limitations has been solved.

The coming months before the trial is planned out. Much will happen and all will be surprised. That's Semblers biggest mistake. The chess game of court. They thought we were stupid or afraid.

Get ready, it's going to be a heck of a ride for the Sembler Crew.

And when you show your face I will remember you China man.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:12:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ok, I've had enough for tonight.



Bottom line is Semblers are in trouble. I don't really care what dobbs or the guy from China thinks. The abusers were Sembler and company. Sherman and crew are not and have never worked with them. Sherman and company have tirelessly sought accountabiliy for crimes commited against them and their friends. If you think other wise your either dumb, nuts, illinformed, or irrational, or all of the above.



The truth is the truth and you can't stop it.



Oh and guess what, when the class action suit comes, if you don't name yourself you won't be in it! And it is coming, just a matter of time. Time has always been on our " the survivors" side.



The statute of limitations has been solved.



The coming months before the trial is planned out. Much will happen and all will be surprised. That's Semblers biggest mistake. The chess game of court. They thought we were stupid or afraid.



Get ready, it's going to be a heck of a ride for the Sembler Crew.



And when you show your face I will remember you China man.







"

Thats your opinion.
(I know you are but what am I)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:15:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ok, I've had enough for tonight.



Bottom line is Semblers are in trouble. I don't really care what dobbs or the guy from China thinks. The abusers were Sembler and company. Sherman and crew are not and have never worked with them. Sherman and company have tirelessly sought accountabiliy for crimes commited against them and their friends. If you think other wise your either dumb, nuts, illinformed, or irrational, or all of the above.



The truth is the truth and you can't stop it.



Oh and guess what, when the class action suit comes, if you don't name yourself you won't be in it! And it is coming, just a matter of time. Time has always been on our " the survivors" side.



The statute of limitations has been solved.



The coming months before the trial is planned out. Much will happen and all will be surprised. That's Semblers biggest mistake. The chess game of court. They thought we were stupid or afraid.



Get ready, it's going to be a heck of a ride for the Sembler Crew.



And when you show your face I will remember you China man.







"

Er...Thats the bootom line...you got it buster!!!....er Thats the bottom line...fight em over there you see....so we dont have to figt them over here...ya see ya see ya see...got to fight em over there....thats the bottom line ya see...

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:15:00 PM

No that's a fact

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:19:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"No that's a fact"

Maybe.Probably not.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:25:00 PM

IF you knew what was real vs. your imagination you would know what's happening.

So stay in the dark where  you belong.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:28:00 PM

shit, making typos, time for sleep.

Sembler is in real trouble.

Just wait and watch.

Enough said for tonight.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:30:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:28:00, Anonymous wrote:

"shit, making typos, time for sleep.



Sembler is in real trouble.



Just wait and watch.



Enough said for tonight.



"

Oooooooooooooooooooo I bet he's scared (wallowing in all that money)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 10:34:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ok, I've had enough for tonight.



Bottom line is Semblers are in trouble. I don't really care what dobbs or the guy from China thinks. The abusers were Sembler and company. Sherman and crew are not and have never worked with them. Sherman and company have tirelessly sought accountabiliy for crimes commited against them and their friends. If you think other wise your either dumb, nuts, illinformed, or irrational, or all of the above.



The truth is the truth and you can't stop it.



Oh and guess what, when the class action suit comes, if you don't name yourself you won't be in it! And it is coming, just a matter of time. Time has always been on our " the survivors" side.



The statute of limitations has been solved.



The coming months before the trial is planned out. Much will happen and all will be surprised. That's Semblers biggest mistake. The chess game of court. They thought we were stupid or afraid.



Get ready, it's going to be a heck of a ride for the Sembler Crew.



And when you show your face I will remember you China man.







"

This must be handled ethically. Every effort must be made to contact all survivors to inform them.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 07, 2005, 11:24:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:08:00, Anonymous wrote:


Whats all this GREEN Betty Post about anyway?

Just let this Off Topic Green Betty GO already."

IDiot.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 12:00:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 19:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ok, I've had enough for tonight.



Bottom line is Semblers are in trouble. I don't really care what dobbs or the guy from China thinks. The abusers were Sembler and company. Sherman and crew are not and have never worked with them. Sherman and company have tirelessly sought accountabiliy for crimes commited against them and their friends. If you think other wise your either dumb, nuts, illinformed, or irrational, or all of the above.



The truth is the truth and you can't stop it.



Oh and guess what, when the class action suit comes, if you don't name yourself you won't be in it! And it is coming, just a matter of time. Time has always been on our " the survivors" side.



The statute of limitations has been solved.



The coming months before the trial is planned out. Much will happen and all will be surprised. That's Semblers biggest mistake. The chess game of court. They thought we were stupid or afraid.



Get ready, it's going to be a heck of a ride for the Sembler Crew.



And when you show your face I will remember you China man.







"

Doubtless this quoted post here is some of brilliant and tired work of the likes of Sherman or Hueso or some other lame spunk like Fager. What a waste of typing.

"hello, I work for Lenny!", says Gin.

We have gotten around the statutes of limitations??? What in the fuck ass are you talking out of you ass talking out of person!?! More tabloid pap from out of the anals of your asstalk. Talkin out yo' assho' side o' ye neck there nigga.

psh. words may never...

you ain't know my jesus, muhfuckin child rimrobbers that y'ar.

Oh, and you'll amembah me when yer at the protess? I hope so...cos it'll be the last thing ya member there ya little child fucker. I wouldn't amind puttin an end to some of you child molesters atal. That's rite. I called you a pedophile Gin. So go fuck yourself. And i called you a pedophile too, Ray, you fucking Sembler dildo smokin spinsterin child molesting panzy. Thas rite Ray, you're a pedophile. Peh- Doh- Phile. you can dig it you like the attention. Once a pedophile, always one in the eyes of the law. I would never trust myself enough to show up for a protest that advertises a museum where known pedophiles donate their time and money. Goddamm. I never knew that pedophiles fucked each other, too. Go 'head.

Hey, maybe if we blow up the fucking museum while they pedophile protestors are There, then we can end the spread of pedophiles for a little longer. Nah. I wouldn't waste the time on creatin bombs.

Matter of fact, Chinaman, I wouldn't even bother stoppin out there even if sumbody says they'll amember yer face er not. Most of the pussies that come there are so fucked up from all the child fucking they've done and are still proud of will always deny their own sin. It's sick. Only difference in people like Ray or Gin and the rich pedophiles, is that the rich pedophiles get to tell the poor pedophiles what to do. And like little vagrant fuckin slavezombies - they, Ray, Sherman, Cap'n MustacheMarti, and the rest of that lieing bunch - do it with pleasure. Congrats on the advertising protest y'all. It suits you. But to say that you've gotten around the statutes and that you work for Lenny. Not surprising in your condition. They're all small like that post says so. LoL!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 06:58:00 AM

Last drove a GM Van,but now a Dodge,but I quit driving ($384 per month not enough anymore).

ALWAYS lived in Sarasota.

Been to China countless times and also 25 other countries,on $384 per month.

Im not Dobbs."
[/quote]
Hey I know you! Its the China thing... You always bragged about getting into China and tooling around on the cheep. Your name will come to me but I know you. We've met!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: webcrawler on October 08, 2005, 07:10:00 AM

Post you address. Huh, huh pin dick. Do it now. Don't waste any time. Your death threats have gone on long enough!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 10:52:00 AM

Quote

Ok, in related news, Calvina Fay recently debated Allen St. Pierre. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight!

Has anyone found a video or audio link for this debate?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 11:15:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 07:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

Ok, in related news, Calvina Fay recently debated Allen St. Pierre. Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight!

Has anyone found a video or audio link for this debate? "

Try this:

http://usatoday.feedroom.com/index.jsp? ... 7d772a906c (http://usatoday.feedroom.com/index.jsp?auto_band=x&rf=sv&fr_story=a2d30b7769877b4044ed49c53a7ea07d772a906c)

Or this:

http://usatoday.feedroom.com/ifr_main.j ... 5993596112 (http://usatoday.feedroom.com/ifr_main.jsp?st=1128784378361&rf=bm&mp=WMP&wmp=1&rm=1&cpf=true&fr=100705_115346_w47912496x106c912b2f7xw861&rdm=696031.5993596112)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 01:46:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-07 17:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Ok smart ass, go take a digital picture of todays Korean paper and post it. You have 30 minutes. If you got the guts post your picture too.



Bet you can't do it.



Because in St. Pete



"

Actually he's in the Clearwater/Largo area

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: GregFL on October 08, 2005, 01:58:00 PM

How bout you holding up a sign that says "I am not Brian Dodd" while standing in front of the chinese restaraunt near fifth and US19?


 :lol:  :lol:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 02:01:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 10:58:00, GregFL wrote:

"How bout you holding up a sign that says "I am not Brian Dodd" while standing in front of the chinese restaraunt of fifth and US19?





 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: GregFL on October 08, 2005, 02:28:00 PM

I really hate to admit this, but I just got back from china last friday.

Didn't see Brian Dodd, not one time!


 :grin:  :grin:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 02:58:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 11:28:00, GregFL wrote:

"I really hate to admit this, but I just got back from china last friday.



Didn't see Brian Dodd, not one time!





 :grin:  :grin: "

So the mystery has been solved!!!  GregFL=Animals =Brian Dodd!!!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 08, 2005, 03:15:00 PM

:rofl:

Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.
-- Albert Einstein

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 03:34:00 PM

Hey, what's the weather like in your neck of the woods? Greg, Ant?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 08, 2005, 03:38:00 PM

Cool and soggy here. But at least the heat has passed and we're starting to get some fall colors.

I wonder what the wether is like for Betty these days? This whole thing must be a MAJOR pain in the ass for the, especiall w/ half their cronnies under indictment for various things. I think maybe the general public is having a boute of skepticism strong enough to maybe give some proper attention to these sadistic lunatics' dirty little secrets.

Also, as regards the pump; I wonder if it really was a necessary medical advice or if Mel just wants to be more like Dick Cheney?

The world will never know...

We will make mistakes. Learning from them doesn't make us heros. It only gives us a passing grade on the evolutionary scale.
Antigen

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 03:56:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 12:38:00, Antigen wrote:



Also, as regards the pump; I wonder if it really was a necessary medical advice or if Mel just wants to be more like Dick Cheney?

You ever seen Betty? He throw out that pump because he needed one with greater horsepower.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 05:21:00 PM

So what do you think the Semblers are thinking?

Do you think they think that this will all just going to go away? Or do you think they think they are in deep doo-doo?

I suspect they are very nervous. Don't like the fact they have been forced into a depo. Betty clearly thinks that she has done no wrong and will probably go down screeming that to the end. But as Ginger said a few post earlier, public opinon agaist the current prez and friends is waining. So that being said, I would think that there are many out there that will seize on the moment with the new found fodder.

That being said, China man and Dobbs, which I think are two different people, can do nothing to stop it.

Threats will not stop what is about to happen in court.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 06:41:00 PM

I think Betty is frightened, very , very frightened and threatened by it all.
Is the trial going to be about whether or not Richard was/is stalking them. and the defense will be about Richard is only interested in the Semblers in the first place because of Straight? Do you think they will be trying to show that Richard is damaged by Straight and this is why he has personal interest in them? So many people have said diffrent things about both parties. How is the Pump trial going to get a class action suit? How or have they really found a way around the Statue of Limitations? Or is this what the trial is also intended for. To prove the Statue needs to be lifted for the victims of Straight and Straight like programs? How do you think the victims will be or will they be contacted?  Do we really think the records are somewhere? What Straight did Richard break into? What did he find or recover? How will any of it be used in court?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: GregFL on October 08, 2005, 07:44:00 PM

Well,weather in the Doddless china was great.

I am temporarly lodged in Florida as we speak, heading to Colombia on Monday...bogota specifically, where the weather is almost always just about perfect!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 07:58:00 PM

Quote

How or have they really found a way around the Statue of Limitations?

4 years from the time of discovery!

see below.


Florida's  Civil Statute of Limitations
for Child Sexual Abuse

Florida

Special Statute of Limitations for Abuse:

Fla. Stat. Ann.§ 95.11(7). "FOR INTENTIONAL TORTS BASED ON ABUSE.--An action founded on alleged abuse, as defined in s. 39.01, s. 415.102, or s. 984.03, or incest, as defined in s. 826.04, may be commenced at any time within 7 years after the age of majority, or within 4 years after the injured person leaves the dependency of the abuser, or within 4 years from the time of discovery by the injured party of both the injury and the causal relationship between the injury and the abuse, whichever occurs later."

Section 95.11(7) cannot be applied retroactively. It is applicable only to cases arising after April 8, 1992, the effective date of the statute.

http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/sol_Florida.html (http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/sol_Florida.html)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 08:09:00 PM

China is greatly misunderstood by most Westerners don't you think? I was totally amazed by their culture and sheer size, and supper hot economy. 17 million people, 2000 skyscrapers underconstruction in Shanghai! 50% of the worlds construction cranes in this country.

Have a safe trip. Careful in Colombia.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: teachback on October 08, 2005, 08:14:00 PM

Quote

That being said, China man and Dobbs, which I think are two different people, can do nothing to stop it.

Threats will not stop what is about to happen in court.

I think that these threats that you refer to, even if they could be taken seriously at all, will hold no bearing one way or the other concerning how that case will turn out.  

You've gotta be kidding.. :grin:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 08:17:00 PM

I'm trying to find the case that was overturned in Florida last year for Child Abuse.

I know the link above is child sexual abuse.

Any ideas on how you search out Florida cases?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 08, 2005, 08:37:00 PM

Well, if it was overturned and expunged, I don't know any quick and easy answers. That leaves the old school methods; get to know all you can about the players, insinuate yourself and as questions. If you have money to burn, you can hire a PI. But they're about as respectable and trustworthy as the troubled parent industry. I suppose it depends on how dedicated and clever you are.

The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.
-- Patrick Henry

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 08:47:00 PM

I'm gettin lost in the case law but I'll get there.

What amazes me that with all the evidence that the State Attorney wouldn't pick it up.

Hell even in the Depo the HRS document says right there, Straight was abusive and should be shut down.

Also the Document from the United Nations. They said that yes it was abuse but they couldn't do anything about it. The Danmed UN. Why isn't that on PBS??

It's real black and white what happend to us. Thousands of kids were tortured. Why is it an uphill battle.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 08, 2005, 08:48:00 PM

Deflection aside, the wife of a high ranking (read: crony) appointed ambassador has testified under oath her fidelity, affection and confidence in a man (and I use that term loosely) who has been judged guilty of extreme sadistic child abuse.

It's public record.

Who gives a fuck how poor Brian or Nelson feels about it. It's hard fact as stated by close a associate of one of the Büsh brothers' close cronies.

America suspects that our leaders are raving mad and stark naked. All they need is the evidence. No one of us has a compelling case. But there are thousands of us who know.

Now... why the fuck are we ripping each other up like it's OMR again? Can anyone explain that to me? I know why I did it then. I thought it was all theatre for the benefit of our demented parents. I never dreamt any of you would be so enthralled with it as to keep it up.

WTF?!

I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole

--Malcolm X

_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed Chicklet `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
   10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
Anonymity Anonymous

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 08, 2005, 08:58:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

t's real black and white what happend to us. Thousands of kids were tortured. Why is it an uphill battle.

Sorry, I missed this; crossed on the ether.

Yes, it's obvious to us who lived it! It's inobvious--damned near inaccessible--to people who have lived their whole lives in a state of general anxiety over the myth of juvenile delinquency.

Read up on Bobby DuPont's masters thesis on generalized anxiety. Then follow his career path. That bastard learned the ropes from the best of the best--WWII acquired research scientists--then put it to the test on us and our parents. And, evidently, his findings have been put to work getting bogus, but gratifying, "confessions" out of Semites of the Islamic faith.

Of course, it could be coincidence. These tactics are so rote and familiar that when I explained what happened to me to a good friend who grew up in the Haitian/Dominican mountans, she said "yeah, Zombi" and looked at me like I hadn't been paying attention.

These are old rituals; time tested, Dick Cheney approved. Nothing new here. Only thing novel about this is 3 generations of government "educated" idiots who can't bring themselves to see that it's the money bags, not our neighbors, relatives and friends, at the helm.

Question with boldness even the existance of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 09:06:00 PM

Little factamundo for those of you who have never interacted with non-Straight people. OTHER PEOPLE CONFRONT, FIGHT DIRTY, RIP YOU UP, ETC. This is not newly created behavior by Straight. Everything isn't Straight. People getting mad on an internet forum is NOT STRAIGHT. It's people getting mad on an internet forum. We are free to turn the damn thing off, call the people we are in a pissing match with, or go on pissing. It's not Straight. Nobody is forced to be here. Every emotion and emotional reaction is NOT STRAIGHT.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 09:15:00 PM

I've read about DuPont and agree with.

We were psychologically terrorized.

From the first time I got there til the time I left and now even years later I am still terrorized.

They were terrorist in a sense to us. And now they terrorize in Iraq. It's much worse, but we still got a heavy dose of terror.

Held with no charges filed. Open ended sentence, no idea how long we will be there. Unable to contact the outside world. Not afforded an attorney. Denied reading the bible. and on and on and on.

And this on a child non the less. Hell even a killer in the state prison, can at least take a shit and go to sleep and eat 3 squares a day. But not us, oh no, the pot Nazi's wanted to exterminate our minds.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on October 08, 2005, 09:52:00 PM

Right on !! Mutha-FuckAaaaa.  WITNESS !!!!! Lay it down now.  You put it so well.  Righteous.

 ::dove::

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: GregFL on October 08, 2005, 09:55:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"China is greatly misunderstood by most Westerners don't you think? I was totally amazed by their culture and sheer size, and supper hot economy. 17 million people, 2000 skyscrapers underconstruction in Shanghai! 50% of the worlds construction cranes in this country.



Have a safe trip. Careful in Colombia."

Yes people don't get it, but in 100years when the world is speaking chinese they will...

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 08, 2005, 10:04:00 PM

Seeing as they hold the note on much of our National borrowing, it may come much sooner. I think China will be number one in about 15-20 years.  One thing I learned from them is that they think in terms of generations. We think in terms of 4 years in our government.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on October 08, 2005, 10:21:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 18:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I've read about DuPont and agree with.



We were psychologically terrorized.



From the first time I got there til the time I left and now even years later I am still terrorized.



They were terrorist in a sense to us. And now they terrorize in Iraq. It's much worse, but we still got a heavy dose of terror.



Held with no charges filed. Open ended sentence, no idea how long we will be there. Unable to contact the outside world. Not afforded an attorney. Denied reading the bible. and on and on and on.



And this on a child non the less. Hell even a killer in the state prison, can at least take a shit and go to sleep and eat 3 squares a day. But not us, oh no, the pot Nazi's wanted to exterminate our minds. "

Str8 was a mind-rape, committed not by some ignorant person downtown in an alley, either, but by the Fed. gov'm't, the crown of England, and the pillars of our society.  Ever'one in authority is like the Semblers. You are nailin' it.

 ::dove::  ::dove::  :skull:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on October 09, 2005, 12:16:00 AM

Society is a prison!!   "None but ourselves can free our minds" -Marley

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Nonconformistlaw on October 09, 2005, 12:29:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 21:16:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:

"Society is a prison!!   "None but ourselves can free our minds" -Marley"

Having a free mind makes society's prison meaningless. The prison only works if you let it!!!!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on October 09, 2005, 12:34:00 AM

"With words they try ta jail ya..." -The Police, from the album "Ghost in the Machine", the song "Spirits in the Material World".  

With words they try ta jail ya. - righteous. 'cause that's about it too.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Verbal Razors on October 09, 2005, 12:51:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 21:29:00, Nonconformistlaw wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-08 21:16:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:


"Society is a prison!!   "None but ourselves can free our minds" -Marley"

Having a free mind makes society's prison meaningless. The prison only works if you let it!!!!!!"

Apparantly you havent done much time in Prison, have you?  :roll:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Nonconformistlaw on October 09, 2005, 12:55:00 AM

No I haven't been in prison unless you count Straight, which I consider a kind of prison...I was speaking generically about how a free mind "frees" one from the "prison of society". I wasn't referring to "actual" prison....that is another story....I know.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2005, 01:19:00 AM

Who is Razor

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2005, 01:21:00 AM

its so obvious

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2005, 01:25:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 22:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

"its so obvious"

ditto

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: teachback on October 09, 2005, 01:28:00 AM

Quote

Little factamundo for those of you who have never interacted with non-Straight people. OTHER PEOPLE CONFRONT, FIGHT DIRTY, RIP YOU UP, ETC. This is not newly created behavior by Straight. Everything isn't Straight. People getting mad on an internet forum is NOT STRAIGHT. It's people getting mad on an internet forum. We are free to turn the damn thing off, call the people we are in a pissing match with, or go on pissing. It's not Straight. Nobody is forced to be here. Every emotion and emotional reaction is NOT STRAIGHT.

I don't care WHO said this.. :nworthy:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2005, 01:29:00 AM

Look it's him again  :roll:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: teachback on October 09, 2005, 01:32:00 AM

Quote

Society is a prison!!

Charles Manson said the same thing.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: teachback on October 09, 2005, 01:36:00 AM

Look it's who? :question:

Me? :silly:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: starry-eyed pirate on October 09, 2005, 02:12:00 AM

The Devil may speak the truth.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: teachback on October 09, 2005, 02:15:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 23:12:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
The Devil may speak the truth.

Indeed...  ::read::

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2005, 01:26:00 PM

fuckin starry eyed nigguh

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2005, 02:09:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 18:55:00, GregFL wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:09:00, Anonymous wrote:


"China is greatly misunderstood by most Westerners don't you think? I was totally amazed by their culture and sheer size, and supper hot economy. 17 million people, 2000 skyscrapers underconstruction in Shanghai! 50% of the worlds construction cranes in this country.





Have a safe trip. Careful in Colombia."

Yes people don't get it, but in 100years when the world is speaking chinese they will...



"

Not if we nuke the chi-coms now, while we still have a chance.  Megatons for Beijing, coming up.....

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2005, 09:42:00 PM

What amazed me the most was how Mel just pulled up to the front door. He saw us but did not pull around the side of the building. The following is what I wrote back then,

"There he was . . . Oh my God it?s Mel Sembler. . . I couldn?t believe it. My eyes focused, and I realized there was the main dude responsible for all this crap standing 30 feet from us. I yelled out there he is!! The rest joined in. Mel would not validate our existence by looking at us. He was keenly aware of the group confronting him. It was a very tense and exhilarating moment. The tension was palpable. We made a difference to the status quo. We rocked their world and made them think. We were the topic of discussion in the grand Holocaust party. "

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Verbal Razors on October 10, 2005, 11:15:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 22:19:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Who is Razor"

Linchpin, Therion, scarstruck, etc etc etc etc.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 12:56:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:58:00, Antigen wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:47:00, Anonymous wrote:


t's real black and white what happend to us. Thousands of kids were tortured. Why is it an uphill battle.

Sorry, I missed this; crossed on the ether.



Yes, it's obvious to us who lived it! It's inobvious--damned near inaccessible--to people who have lived their whole lives in a state of general anxiety over the myth of juvenile delinquency.



Read up on Bobby DuPont's masters thesis on generalized anxiety. Then follow his career path. That bastard learned the ropes from the best of the best--WWII acquired research scientists--then put it to the test on us and our parents. And, evidently, his findings have been put to work getting bogus, but gratifying, "confessions" out of Semites of the Islamic faith.



Of course, it could be coincidence. These tactics are so rote and familiar that when I explained what happened to me to a good friend who grew up in the Haitian/Dominican mountans, she said "yeah, Zombi" and looked at me like I hadn't been paying attention.



These are old rituals; time tested, Dick Cheney approved. Nothing new here. Only thing novel about this is 3 generations of government "educated" idiots who can't bring themselves to see that it's the money bags, not our neighbors, relatives and friends, at the helm.

Question with boldness even the existance of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

"

First accurate post you made in years.
Im not Dobbs

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 12:58:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 18:55:00, GregFL wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:09:00, Anonymous wrote:


"China is greatly misunderstood by most Westerners don't you think? I was totally amazed by their culture and sheer size, and supper hot economy. 17 million people, 2000 skyscrapers underconstruction in Shanghai! 50% of the worlds construction cranes in this country.





Have a safe trip. Careful in Colombia."

Yes people don't get it, but in 100years when the world is speaking chinese they will...



"

Chinese most spoken language in the world now.

China has more english speakers than any other country now.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 01:00:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-09 11:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-08 18:55:00, GregFL wrote:


"

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:09:00, Anonymous wrote:



"China is greatly misunderstood by most Westerners don't you think? I was totally amazed by their culture and sheer size, and supper hot economy. 17 million people, 2000 skyscrapers underconstruction in Shanghai! 50% of the worlds construction cranes in this country.







Have a safe trip. Careful in Colombia."

Yes people don't get it, but in 100years when the world is speaking chinese they will...





"

Not if we nuke the chi-coms now, while we still have a chance.  Megatons for Beijing, coming up....."

China is too busy being overpopulated.
Dont do them any favours!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 12:22:00 PM

why the hell does the Sembler depo stay at the top?   I like this one, but never seen it happen.  What kinda routine you putting on this one Ginger?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 12:49:00 PM

'cause it's interesting to Straight victims and 'cause some idiot was trying to obscure it with his spam.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 02:36:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-09-30 10:57:00, Antigen wrote:

"Never mind the pittance they stole from our parents. Hell, I don't even care about the various sources of graft and panhandling that also landed up on that pile of gold. These people and their cronnies command and direct BILLIONS in public funding for their war on people who prefer drugs that they don't sell. People die, fathers and mothers go to prison, hard working immigrants are framed and deported (google Dallas Fake Drugs for details), local police departments around the country are infiltrated and destroyed by multijurisdictional counterdrug task forces.



Probably the most lunatic eterprises ever devised by these sociopaths, however, is the aerial spraying of modified Roundup (aka Agent Orange... yeah, just like the stuff we used in Vietnam) on pristine rain forrests and all the critters, people and water systems therein. Want to read about something even a little crazier? Here's a Google search on Fusarium Oxysporum Thankfully, as far as I know, saner heads have prevent this madness being visited upon domestic farming, at least so far.



The content of this depo shows clearly that Betty, who is an undisputed leader in this movement since the Nixon erra, for what she is; a clueless, self rightious idiot. I wish this depo could be delivered by hand to every legislator and appointee subject to a round of her bullshit. I wish they all knew, as we do, how fucking nuts these people are so they'd quit giving them money and power.



Honest to God, I wouldn't have such an interest in these people if the worst they ever did was mess with teenagers and their families for a couple of short years. It's sad that they do that and I feel for each new generation of their emotional victims. But that's not important enough to me to warrant any sustained effort.



These people are fucking dangerous to the entire planet. Who do YOU think came up w/ the brilliant idea to pay the Taliban to quit growing opium poppies? Or was that just a pretext?

Save our planet; it's the only one with chocolate!

--Andi, domestic goddess

"

I really do think this is the more important point here folks.  Of course I don't want to see ANYONE abused at the hands of these fucking psychos but now they're doing it on a much larger scale.  They are indeed effecting public policy and that's going to hit everyone, not just the unfortunates who find themselves locked up in one of these lunatic's asylums.  The Bush admin has run amok all the while with the backing and support of these nutcases and in return he either appoints them to sensitive positions or backs their sadistic ideology.  It's about much more than us guys....MUCH more!!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 02:51:00 PM

http://www.straightincarchives.com/anon ... erDepo.htm (http://www.straightincarchives.com/anonanon/docs/straight/BettySemblerDepo.htm)

Read page four.  She states that she considers Arnold Trebach to be a "threat" to her.  DAMN woman!!!  Anyone who dares disagree with the great and powerful Oz is a threat that MUST be destroyed!! :razz:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 11, 2005, 05:08:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-11 09:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"'cause it's interesting to Straight victims and 'cause some idiot was trying to obscure it with his spam."

fair enough - thanks for the answer

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 11, 2005, 05:27:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-11 11:51:00, Anonymous wrote:

"http://www.straightincarchives.com/anonanon/docs/straight/BettySemblerDepo.htm



Read page four.  She states that she considers Arnold Trebach to be a "threat" to her.  DAMN woman!!!  Anyone who dares disagree with the great and powerful Oz is a threat that MUST be destroyed!! :razz: "

Exactly! Now, shouldn't we, as freedom loving American tax payors, reexamine ALL of these people's claims about various threats to ourselves and to them? I mean, come on! Are Colombian peasants really such a threat to us as to deserve being arial sprayed with fucking Agent Orange for the past 10 years or more? Are dark complected young men in the cities such a threat as to deserve to be locked away and ass fucked for years? Are their children deserving of what that does to their lives? Are highschool and even middle school kids really such a threat as to warrant on campus police substations, trained guard dogs and 1-800-BEA-SNITCH hotline numbers posted all over the place.

Think about it. Betty Sembler is a very powerful little welfare mama. She holds seats on the boards of all kinds of policy making and lobbying bodies. When she starts babbling her nonsense about the latest newly discovered threat to the chiiiiiiiilllllldren, KIDS GET KILLED BEHIND IT!

Not a place upon earth might be so happy as America. Her situation is remote from all the wrangling world, and she has nothing to do but to trade with them.
--Thomas Paine

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 12, 2005, 07:51:00 PM

After reading her deposition I think Betty pretty much screwed things up for her and Mel

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2005, 03:49:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"China is greatly misunderstood by most Westerners don't you think? I was totally amazed by their culture and sheer size, and supper hot economy. 17 million people, 2000 skyscrapers underconstruction in Shanghai! 50% of the worlds construction cranes in this country.



Have a safe trip. Careful in Colombia."

If you went to Beijing/Shanghai/XiAn/etc,then you did not see China.Also if you go to the "famous" villages (like Dali or Lijiang),then you did not see China.The real China has no skyscrapers or construction cranes.
I suggest you go to LioCheng,Shandong or JiShou,Hunan or JiangCheng,Yunnan if you want to see the real China.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2005, 03:52:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:14:00, Frank Discussion wrote:

"

Quote

That being said, China man and Dobbs, which I think are two different people, can do nothing to stop it.



Threats will not stop what is about to happen in court.

I think that these threats that you refer to, even if they could be taken seriously at all, will hold no bearing one way or the other concerning how that case will turn out.  



You've gotta be kidding.. :grin:"

Threats stopping WHAT?
The only thing I want to stop is Helen Petermann's breathing MY AIR!

Im Not Dobbs,but I am in China.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2005, 03:56:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-11 09:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"'cause it's interesting to Straight victims and 'cause some idiot was trying to obscure it with his spam."

No no no no no!!!!

I was spamming it BECAUSE THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BETTY SEMBLER DEPOSITION!!!!!!!!!!!
You Moron(s)!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2005, 07:08:00 AM

you were spamming because you a dick

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2005, 08:08:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-13 04:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"you were spamming because you a dick"

My being a "dick" as you put it has nothing to do with my spamming.
I TOLD YOU why I spammed this thread.

Im a dick.
I spammed this thread.
I would have spammed this thread if I were not a dick.
I would have spammed this thread if I were an Artichoke.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2005, 07:05:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-13 05:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-13 04:08:00, Anonymous wrote:


"you were spamming because you a dick"

Im a dick.

 :rofl:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2005, 05:29:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-08 17:48:00, Antigen wrote:

"Deflection aside, the wife of a high ranking (read: crony) appointed ambassador has testified under oath her fidelity, affection and confidence in a man (and I use that term loosely) who has been judged guilty of extreme sadistic child abuse.



It's public record.



Who gives a fuck how poor Brian or Nelson feels about it. It's hard fact as stated by close a associate of one of the Büsh brothers' close cronies.



America suspects that our leaders are raving mad and stark naked. All they need is the evidence. No one of us has a compelling case. But there are thousands of us who know.



Now... why the fuck are we ripping each other up like it's OMR again? Can anyone explain that to me? I know why I did it then. I thought it was all theatre for the benefit of our demented parents. I never dreamt any of you would be so enthralled with it as to keep it up.



WTF?!

I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole



--Malcolm X

_________________

Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen

Drug war POW

Seed Chicklet `71 - `80

Straight, Sarasota

   10/80 - 10/82

Apostate 10/82 -

Anonymity Anonymous"

See, that's my biggest bone of contention with you Ginger and I've said it from the start. I think you are alot smarter than me and I openly admit that shit. But you actually LET this ripping like its OMR go on in here. It's b/c we don't have a set agenda that people are allowed to come at all and hurt one another in post, and/or b/c there are no requirements for identification or limits placed on Total free speech in here perhaps b/c someone or someones don't want to injure that particular civil right. And if a crobarkiller comes out b/c of it well then tha'ts alrite, too.

People mention "hey lets' try this or that, let's really protest or something like it..." its old news and boring.

I do like your idea about someone taking subpoenas and beginning to ask others what they know. Then it becomes hard evidence.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2005, 05:32:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-11 09:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"'cause it's interesting to Straight victims and 'cause some idiot was trying to obscure it with his spam."

I think Beth was spamming up the boards, not some other quack male, dickhead.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2005, 08:24:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-04 08:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Yes, Betty Sembler has shown us her disgusting, shit-filled soul during her deposition.  This lying sack of fecal matter does view the legal system as her own personal apparatus, designed to protect her and her ilk from the "threatening" antics of R. Bradbury (my favorite faggot these days, by the way) and other druggie ingrates who tell the real story about the teen torture centers that she ran.  This putrid pile of puss-filled polyps has shown her arrogance, her ignorance, and her generally vile and distasteful demeanor.  Truly repulsive and vile, this revolting, lying coozebag and her cronies in the DFAF, etc. are not only criminally responsible for knowingly and willfully abusing thousands of kids at a time, but also for spreading lies and disinformation about drug use to any who will listen.  By spreading these lies and bogus theories, they are able to continue to feed the beast that they created---filling prisons, rehabs, and drug testing labs in a manner that eventually profits her fascist friends not only economically, but also in the sense that their fucked-up, totalitarian, we-know-what's-in-your-best-interest world view is furthered at the expense of common sense, individual rights, and decency.  This cunt is a dangerous individual, and she truly is more threatening to you, me, Ray Bradbury and everyone else than Bradbury could ever be to her.  More dangerous than a schizophrenic mulatto with a crow bar, Betty and her kind have no place in a civilized society.  In a truly just world, she would be unceremoniuosly weighted down with bricks and dumped in a cesspool, along with her husband and 'dear friends' like Miller Newton. "

biz-umpity bump!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2005, 03:17:00 AM

As for spamming to the point of forum disruption, I can't begin to imagine what motivates a forum spam-hacker. This is not for lack of trying. Okay, that's an exaggeration. I can begin to imagine. But I cannot end imagining, because I have failed to get an answer, or I have failed to understand.

As for anything else I post that might be considered spam, well why don't you call the spam police on me.

Look, I know it isn't easy getting your little tyranny together over the internet. But you are never going to get us to behave the way you want us to. That is called psycho. Take your meds.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: teachback on October 15, 2005, 09:52:00 AM

Why don't you have yourself a nice, warm cup of shut the fuck up? No one fucking cares what you say or what you don't say -- say whatever you want, it doesn't fucking matter. Rock on, bitch. See?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2005, 12:01:00 PM

I wasn't talking to you, and I am sure I shut up more often than you do.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 17, 2005, 09:48:00 AM

Case in point. What would happen if Straight, Inc. cronies gained control of, say, a state prison system?

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Date:         Sun, 16 Oct 2005 06:34:37 -0400
Sender: Drug Policy Forum of Texas
From: Kay Lee
Subject:      DAMAGE CONTROL

DAMAGE CONTROL

The day you know the truth but cease to speak it is the day you begin to die."
~Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

As you may have read in many Florida newspapers, the FDOC is currently being investigated by the FBI and FDLE for steroid abuse among guards, inmate labor on private projects, pilfering large amounts from the recycling fund, and hiring people who get paid for not working, just playing ball. And you, fellow citizens, voters, taxpayers, are as usual, swallowing the losses.

These are just a minor sampling of all the illegal and immoral activities going on in the department.  Although most of the activities looked at so far have involved recently 'retired' Region Director Allen Clark and his personal favorites, the ballplayers, there is so much more and so many more that should be investigated and charged or fired or retrained.

And it all has to go back to Clark's friend, relative and admitted mentor, James Crosby, the man who was told about guard Timothy 'Big Red' Thornton's proclivity for beating prisoners before Thornton helped brutally murder inmate Frank Valdes at Florida State Prison in 1999. Crosby was the warden there at the time.

Crosby chose to ignore the warnings, and shortly after the jury let all the murdering guards go free, he was promoted to top dog, secretary of the Florida DOC.  All too often that's is how it goes in the DOC.  The guards get promoted over professional officers.  If officers complain, they get the worst shifts and duties, are shunned or get fired.

Allen Clark's reign of terror is over, thank God. But Crosby, the little man with no compassion, is still in his position of unearned power.  He went publicly silent for a couple of weeks when all the poop hit the fan, but behind the scenes he's been running around threatening anyone who might talk.  He was definitely shook.

We almost had his resignation last week, but he got an unexpected reprieve from the man who hired him in the first place.

Florida's governor Jeb Bush, little brother to George, has expressed total support for his protégé, advising him to ignore the people giving him grief. I don't know what he says to him in private, but Bush publicly has nothing but praise for the little man with the big temper who shirks his responsibilities, allows criminals to wear the uniform of professionals,  and uses the department for his own personal gain.  

Bare in mind, James Crosby forces department employees to support the governor with donations and coerced attendance at political functions.

Members of the legislature are claiming that Crosby is a nice fellow (as if that's the quality that makes a good warden) whom all employees like, despite the fact that every letter I get and every phone call the reporters of several newspapers get from correctional officers ends with "don't use my name, I am in fear of retaliation".  

Florida's spineless legislatures have decided to turn their backs on all the information we've been giving them, on all the people who serve in a prison system with no focus on ethics, in order to support the governor's man.  These officers need and deserve the legislator's intervention, but so far it's been withheld.

So, with Jeb Bush's blessing, Crosby feels he is back in the saddle again.

After his meeting with Jeb, plans for damage control have most likely began in earnest.  What you see from here on is most likely orchestrated, at least in part, by Bush or people who are experts at making weak men look powerful and bad men look good.  It'll be a professional attempt to protect someone who doesn't deserve protection.

How obvious does it have to get?  When the man at the top is nasty,  the wall of silence wraps around him like a cloak and everything about the system begins to stink. The Florida prison system has become a cesspool of corruption, nepotism, favoritism, and racism, with a core of good and professional officers trying desperately to hold it all together with no help from their superiors.  Among these employees moral is rock bottom, fear is sky high, and an air of defeat is immanent.

Crosby is trying to get things together for a big public relations campaign.  He?s going to try to counter all the negative things that's been exposed.  It is possible Jeb is going to try to let him skate.  

For that reason, I must emphasize to the officers that if you really want a safe and fair place to work where you move up according to your own efforts, now is the time to push harder. I know some of you are thinking of giving up because you believe that Crosby is going to survive, that the bad guys are going to win again, which is exactly what James Crosby wants and desperately needs you to believe to keep his job.

Remember Crosby's favorite saying, "If you go after the king, you better not wound him"?  Well, we've wounded him.  We can't walk away now and hope for the best.  We've got to forge ahead full force.

Right now you've got media attention, legislators under pressure and the boss stressed out. Where before no one would listen, you've now got a real voice!   If you don't do this now you will never know your power.   We need you, we're counting on you, and we can amplify your voice.  A few more leads, a little more truth and you'll see, all things are possible.   And when you win, and the department begins to do the things it takes to get dignity back into corrections, we'll go after pay raises.

STAY AWARE:   There are meetings planned for next week, ordered by Crosby, where Wardens and other high level administrators will be made to submit positive things from their facilities, This isn't the first time Crosby has coerced your support.  

BE PROACTIVE:  I believe there is one topic that can expose James Crosby's abuse of his position to the satisfaction of the legislators. I am particularly interested in the illegal political activities.  That is a crime that can?t be covered up.  

I know many of you have felt the pressure to be supportive of Jeb Bush at your own expense and/or on your own time.  Are there any of you who will confirm the allegations in the packets below?  Please offer any information that I can check out through public records or other means of investigation?  
 
PACKET PAGES FROM REGION 1 EMPLOYEES
 
Opening page of Packet
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage1.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage1.html)
 
Extortion In It's Many Forms
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage2.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage2.html)
 
To Area Ministers and Local Leaders
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage3.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage3.html)
 
To The Florida Democratic Party
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage4.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage4.html)
 
To Bill Warner, FSECC Fiscal Agent
http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage5.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage5.html)
 
I can offer you anonymity, I can get the public records requests done, the media is more than ready and willing to run with it, we just need your input.
 
If you have any information on illegal activities, please contact me, Kay Lee, at
 
Kay Lee
http://www.floridastateprisons.net (http://www.floridastateprisons.net)
 
Or contact these concerned reporters:
 Florida Media Steve Bousquet, SP Times
 
 Florida Media Marc Caputo Miami Herald ;
 
 Florida Media Karen Voyles, Gainesville Sun ;
 
 Florida Media Follick, Tampa Tribune ;
 
 Florida Media Bill Cotterell, political editor, Tallahassee Dem.

Palm Beach Post tcnews@gtcom.net (http://mailto:tcnews@gtcom.net)
 
Florida Media Crystal Cameron WMBB TV http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/jamescrosby.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/jamescrosby.html)
 
"There is no way to know the strength it takes to lift a weight until the weight is lifted...and that is strength enough.  To say what we see and what we feel requires strength, not a mere one but a significant one...as to love, to simply love takes strength, not a mere strength but a significant one...  May we find the strength we need."  Michael Bridge http//www.co-intelligence.org/P-gestures.html

 

...it is worth discussing radical changes, not in the expectation that they will be adopted promptly but for two other reasons. One is to construct an ideal goal, so that incremental changes can be judged by whether they move the institutional structure toward or away from that ideal. The other reason is very different. It is so that if a crisis requiring or facilitating radical change does arise, alternatives will be available that have been carefully developed and fully explored."

Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2005, 03:49:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-17 06:48:00, Antigen wrote:

"Case in point. What would happen if Straight, Inc. cronies gained control of, say, a state prison system?

What if they gained control of say, a once-great nation?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 17, 2005, 04:45:00 PM

Baby steps, darlin'.

IMO, Germany lost WWII but fascism won, hands down.

Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.

SysAdmin

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2005, 10:09:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-17 13:45:00, Antigen wrote:

"Baby steps, darlin'.



IMO, Germany lost WWII but fascism won, hands down.

Oh, y'think?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 07:48:00 AM

fascism is wining in amerika.  Look at the the Pres and his henchmen.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 10:06:00 AM

fuck you, man.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 10:28:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-17 06:48:00, Antigen wrote:

"Case in point. What would happen if Straight, Inc. cronies gained control of, say, a state prison system?

 :cry2:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 10:29:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-17 06:48:00, Antigen wrote:

"Case in point. What would happen if Straight, Inc. cronies gained control of, say, a state prison system?

There would probably be lots of pot smoking, extremist overreactions and conspiracy theories. Nothing would change.
 :scared:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 18, 2005, 01:58:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-17 19:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

Oh, y'think?"

Yeah, but it can't last. It's simply not a sustainable sytem. The only question left is how much longer we'll all go along supporting it before we snap out of it enmass and just quit paying them and quit obeying them.

Our country right or wrong. When right, to be kept right; when wrong, to be put right.
--Carl Schurz, German-born U.S. general and U.S. senator

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 01:46:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-17 12:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-17 06:48:00, Antigen wrote:


"Case in point. What would happen if Straight, Inc. cronies gained control of, say, a state prison system?

What if they gained control of say, a once-great nation?"

They already have.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 01:48:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-17 06:48:00, Antigen wrote:

"Case in point. What would happen if Straight, Inc. cronies gained control of, say, a state prison system?

Quote

Date:         Sun, 16 Oct 2005 06:34:37 -0400

Sender: Drug Policy Forum of Texas

From: Kay Lee

Subject:      DAMAGE CONTROL



DAMAGE CONTROL



The day you know the truth but cease to speak it is the day you begin to die."

~Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.



As you may have read in many Florida newspapers, the FDOC is currently being investigated by the FBI and FDLE for steroid abuse among guards, inmate labor on private projects, pilfering large amounts from the recycling fund, and hiring people who get paid for not working, just playing ball. And you, fellow citizens, voters, taxpayers, are as usual, swallowing the losses.



These are just a minor sampling of all the illegal and immoral activities going on in the department.  Although most of the activities looked at so far have involved recently 'retired' Region Director Allen Clark and his personal favorites, the ballplayers, there is so much more and so many more that should be investigated and charged or fired or retrained.



And it all has to go back to Clark's friend, relative and admitted mentor, James Crosby, the man who was told about guard Timothy 'Big Red' Thornton's proclivity for beating prisoners before Thornton helped brutally murder inmate Frank Valdes at Florida State Prison in 1999. Crosby was the warden there at the time.



Crosby chose to ignore the warnings, and shortly after the jury let all the murdering guards go free, he was promoted to top dog, secretary of the Florida DOC.  All too often that's is how it goes in the DOC.  The guards get promoted over professional officers.  If officers complain, they get the worst shifts and duties, are shunned or get fired.



Allen Clark's reign of terror is over, thank God. But Crosby, the little man with no compassion, is still in his position of unearned power.  He went publicly silent for a couple of weeks when all the poop hit the fan, but behind the scenes he's been running around threatening anyone who might talk.  He was definitely shook.



We almost had his resignation last week, but he got an unexpected reprieve from the man who hired him in the first place.



Florida's governor Jeb Bush, little brother to George, has expressed total support for his protég? advising him to ignore the people giving him grief. I don't know what he says to him in private, but Bush publicly has nothing but praise for the little man with the big temper who shirks his responsibilities, allows criminals to wear the uniform of professionals,  and uses the department for his own personal gain.  



Bare in mind, James Crosby forces department employees to support the governor with donations and coerced attendance at political functions.



Members of the legislature are claiming that Crosby is a nice fellow (as if that's the quality that makes a good warden) whom all employees like, despite the fact that every letter I get and every phone call the reporters of several newspapers get from correctional officers ends with "don't use my name, I am in fear of retaliation".  



Florida's spineless legislatures have decided to turn their backs on all the information we've been giving them, on all the people who serve in a prison system with no focus on ethics, in order to support the governor's man.  These officers need and deserve the legislator's intervention, but so far it's been withheld.



So, with Jeb Bush's blessing, Crosby feels he is back in the saddle again.



After his meeting with Jeb, plans for damage control have most likely began in earnest.  What you see from here on is most likely orchestrated, at least in part, by Bush or people who are experts at making weak men look powerful and bad men look good.  It'll be a professional attempt to protect someone who doesn't deserve protection.



How obvious does it have to get?  When the man at the top is nasty,  the wall of silence wraps around him like a cloak and everything about the system begins to stink. The Florida prison system has become a cesspool of corruption, nepotism, favoritism, and racism, with a core of good and professional officers trying desperately to hold it all together with no help from their superiors.  Among these employees moral is rock bottom, fear is sky high, and an air of defeat is immanent.



Crosby is trying to get things together for a big public relations campaign.  He?s going to try to counter all the negative things that's been exposed.  It is possible Jeb is going to try to let him skate.  



For that reason, I must emphasize to the officers that if you really want a safe and fair place to work where you move up according to your own efforts, now is the time to push harder. I know some of you are thinking of giving up because you believe that Crosby is going to survive, that the bad guys are going to win again, which is exactly what James Crosby wants and desperately needs you to believe to keep his job.



Remember Crosby's favorite saying, "If you go after the king, you better not wound him"?  Well, we've wounded him.  We can't walk away now and hope for the best.  We've got to forge ahead full force.



Right now you've got media attention, legislators under pressure and the boss stressed out. Where before no one would listen, you've now got a real voice!   If you don't do this now you will never know your power.   We need you, we're counting on you, and we can amplify your voice.  A few more leads, a little more truth and you'll see, all things are possible.   And when you win, and the department begins to do the things it takes to get dignity back into corrections, we'll go after pay raises.



STAY AWARE:   There are meetings planned for next week, ordered by Crosby, where Wardens and other high level administrators will be made to submit positive things from their facilities, This isn't the first time Crosby has coerced your support.  



BE PROACTIVE:  I believe there is one topic that can expose James Crosby's abuse of his position to the satisfaction of the legislators. I am particularly interested in the illegal political activities.  That is a crime that can?t be covered up.  



I know many of you have felt the pressure to be supportive of Jeb Bush at your own expense and/or on your own time.  Are there any of you who will confirm the allegations in the packets below?  Please offer any information that I can check out through public records or other means of investigation?  

 

PACKET PAGES FROM REGION 1 EMPLOYEES

 

Opening page of Packet

http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage1.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage1.html)

 

Extortion In It's Many Forms

http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage2.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage2.html)

 

To Area Ministers and Local Leaders

http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage3.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage3.html)

 

To The Florida Democratic Party

http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage4.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage4.html)

 

To Bill Warner, FSECC Fiscal Agent

http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage5.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/acpackage5.html)

 

I can offer you anonymity, I can get the public records requests done, the media is more than ready and willing to run with it, we just need your input.

 

If you have any information on illegal activities, please contact me, Kay Lee, at

 

Kay Lee

http://www.floridastateprisons.net (http://www.floridastateprisons.net)

 

Or contact these concerned reporters:

 Florida Media Steve Bousquet, SP Times

 

 Florida Media Marc Caputo Miami Herald ;

 

 Florida Media Karen Voyles, Gainesville Sun ;

 

 Florida Media Follick, Tampa Tribune ;

 

 Florida Media Bill Cotterell, political editor, Tallahassee Dem.



Palm Beach Post tcnews@gtcom.net (http://mailto:tcnews@gtcom.net)

 

Florida Media Crystal Cameron WMBB TV http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/jamescrosby.html (http://www.angelfire.com/oz/today/jamescrosby.html)

 

"There is no way to know the strength it takes to lift a weight until the weight is lifted...and that is strength enough.  To say what we see and what we feel requires strength, not a mere one but a significant one...as to love, to simply love takes strength, not a mere strength but a significant one...  May we find the strength we need."  Michael Bridge http//www.co-intelligence.org/P-gestures.html

 

...it is worth discussing radical changes, not in the expectation that they will be adopted promptly but for two other reasons. One is to construct an ideal goal, so that incremental changes can be judged by whether they move the institutional structure toward or away from that ideal. The other reason is very different. It is so that if a crisis requiring or facilitating radical change does arise, alternatives will be available that have been carefully developed and fully explored."



Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)"

There is already a CHRISTIAN PRISON in Florida.
Lawty Prison near Raiford.
Jed Bush did the ribbon cutting ceremony.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 07:28:00 AM

Christian prisons?  I guess the "christian" guards will be molesting prisoners (esp if there are youthful offenders housed), stealing money from the coffers, and all the things that Christ warned us not to do.  

When the prisoners get released, then not only will they still be criminals, they will probably be child molesters as well.   Nice Jeb!   Keep up the good work.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 08:46:00 AM

Dude's not takin' his meds again.  Lawtey is part of the Fla. Correctional system, it's not any more or less "christian" than any other prison.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 20, 2005, 02:04:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-19 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Dude's not takin' his meds again.  Lawtey is part of the Fla. Correctional system, it's not any more or less "christian" than any other prison.  "

you would know about med takin. family man.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 03:04:00 PM

Is this the most ridiculous, most paranoid thing you've ever read???? :eek:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 03:08:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-20 11:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-19 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Dude's not takin' his meds again.  Lawtey is part of the Fla. Correctional system, it's not any more or less "christian" than any other prison.  "

you would know about med takin. family man."

No, but I know about Lawtey. A friend did a few years there for trafficking in LSD.  Now get back on your meds before you hurt yourself or someone else.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2005, 08:18:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-19 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Dude's not takin' his meds again.  Lawtey is part of the Fla. Correctional system, it's not any more or less "christian" than any other prison.  "

Why do you flap your big mouth before you do the research.

Lawtey is part of the Florida DOC,and is a totally Christian prison.

Lawtey has been converted in to a Christian Prison.
The inmates MUST convert to Christianism to be allowed to live there.
If they complete the CHRISTIAN program,they have the possibility to get out early.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2005, 12:39:00 PM

Quote

On 2005-10-22 05:18:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-19 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Dude's not takin' his meds again.  Lawtey is part of the Fla. Correctional system, it's not any more or less "christian" than any other prison.  "

Why do you flap your big mouth before you do the research.



Lawtey is part of the Florida DOC,and is a totally Christian prison.



Lawtey has been converted in to a Christian Prison.

The inmates MUST convert to Christianism to be allowed to live there.

If they complete the CHRISTIAN program,they have the possibility to get out early.

"

and if you take your meds, a reasonable facsimile of sanity may show up sooner than expected.  maybe it'll at least shut you up.  Do you hear the voices?  They're saying "kill yourself".

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: GregFL on October 22, 2005, 05:39:00 PM

ahem...

or is that, Amen?


http://www.soulfulchemistry.com/lawtey.html (http://www.soulfulchemistry.com/lawtey.html)

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/12/25/ ... d.jail.ap/ (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/12/25/faith.based.jail.ap/)

it is true that the prison is "faith based" but it is not true you have to convert to christianity. You can also opt out.

What a crock of shit!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 22, 2005, 06:43:00 PM

Anybody who thinks this is a good idea ought to read up on C.S. Lewis's writings on the Therapeutic State. Another of my favorite Christians, Lewis.

At present there is not a single credible established religion in the world.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 12:22:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-22 09:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

Quote

On 2005-10-22 05:18:00, Anonymous wrote:


"

Quote

On 2005-10-19 05:46:00, Anonymous wrote:



"Dude's not takin' his meds again.  Lawtey is part of the Fla. Correctional system, it's not any more or less "christian" than any other prison.  "

Why do you flap your big mouth before you do the research.





Lawtey is part of the Florida DOC,and is a totally Christian prison.





Lawtey has been converted in to a Christian Prison.


The inmates MUST convert to Christianism to be allowed to live there.


If they complete the CHRISTIAN program,they have the possibility to get out early.


"

and if you take your meds, a reasonable facsimile of sanity may show up sooner than expected.  maybe it'll at least shut you up.  Do you hear the voices?  They're saying "kill yourself"."

I know, rite? fuckin idiot needs to have your head caved in for ya before you'd ever start to take your own advice. freak.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 01:02:00 AM

i didn't write that post. you got something to say to me, you know where to find me. but quit accusing me without asking me first if you have verified paranoia or fact.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2005, 04:04:00 AM

Quote

On 2005-10-22 14:39:00, GregFL wrote:

"ahem...



or is that, Amen?





http://www.soulfulchemistry.com/lawtey.html (http://www.soulfulchemistry.com/lawtey.html)



http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/12/25/ ... d.jail.ap/ (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/12/25/faith.based.jail.ap/)



it is true that the prison is "faith based" but it is not true you have to convert to christianity. You can also opt out.



What a crock of shit!





"

...and when you "opt out" you forfit any favoritisim you may have received at your parole hearing.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: GregFL on October 24, 2005, 09:42:00 AM

Quote

...and when you "opt out" you forfit any favoritisim you may have received at your parole hearing."

According to the state of florida, when you "opt out" you get transfered to a non faith based institution and go thru the regular channels.

But I think you have a point here. Parole boards are full of stodgy self rightous assholes they probably would favor someone who was in a "faith based" institution, and what this amounts to is coersion by the state to profess religiosity.  

It is a constitutionally forbidden practice. However, so is much that the government does these days.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 03:55:00 PM

Anyone up for another protest at their house?  It's not illegal as long as we stay off their property.  Since she seems so "threatened" by this I think it would be a great idea.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 07:13:00 PM

I'm up for a protest.  I certainly don't want her to feel "threatened", I don't intend to do anything harmful or violent to her, but I would like to protest, in a lawful manner of course.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 07:18:00 PM

She feels threatened by anyone who dares to disagree with her.  Its inevitable that she'll feel that way.  Not my intention though.  Just trying to call attention to what they did.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 07:20:00 PM

Maybe we should blow up this and put it on a poster!

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kidding, kidding

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2005, 07:22:00 PM

woops

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Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 04:53:00 PM

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On 2005-10-25 16:20:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Maybe we should blow up this and put it on a poster!



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kidding, kidding"

WHy are you kidding?  It's a great idea!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 04:56:00 PM

Well I do like the idea of doing it but since there's a lawsuit going on that directly relates to it I don't want to get dragged into it.  Go for though if you're inclined.  I think it'd be GREAT!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 05:09:00 PM

I think I will.  When is Mel's deposition?

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 05:11:00 PM

Not sure.  Check Wes' site.  He's usually up to date with all that.  and post it, I'd LOVE to be there!!

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 05:54:00 PM

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On 2005-10-26 14:09:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I think I will.  When is Mel's deposition?"

The trial is set for April 11, 2006.  Don't know when Mel's depo is.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2005, 05:56:00 PM

Depo tentatively set for Nov. 16th but you know how they are about postponing these things.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2005, 08:10:00 AM

After Mel's depo is done, since neither he or his wife have provided any proof of Intentional Infliction of Emtional Distress (which in law is a very high bar to reach and they (Semblers)are past the point of reaching it), and it's just a guess from reading all the documents that have been posted online, the judge will dismiss that count which is the most serious from what I can tell and my guess is Bradbury will sue them back.

From what I have read so far Bradbury could sue these folks now.  

Stick around this case is just getting started!

The case is in it's third year and should Bradbury sue them back and I can't think of any reason he will not, I know I would, this thing will be going on well into 2009, that's my best guess.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: fuckbuddy on October 27, 2005, 08:23:00 AM

I'm pretty pumped about it myself.

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on October 27, 2005, 11:45:00 AM

Ya' know, I used to think Rich was just a crackpot. Well, in all honesty, I still think he's a little off in some ways. But then, who's not?

Now I'm starting to see some real potential here. Think of this within the context of all that's going on w/ all the Büsh cronies. Will the commander in thief be indicted prior to the next regular election? Who will sweep it? What will happen in the aftermath?

I seriously think this particular band of political crime families is the worst of the worst that America has ever allowed to come to power. Look back to the history of Brown Brothers & Herriman, Union Banking and Prescott Büsh. Certainly, they had an awsome political and economic power thing going. And the dirty details of their funding and coddling the Nazis before, during and after WWII is shocking to the sensibilities of any decent American; tragic betrayal on the order of a Greek tragedy to anyone who ever loved a veteran of that war.

But they weren't playing with a fully stacked deck, were they? They did get some resistance in the form of having their assets siezed under the Trading w/ the Enemy Act. And then there was good old Smedly Buttler (whom, like all good things, came from Pennsylvania :wink: ).

This is a bit different. A generation or two later, they've had time to plan and to place their men more broadly throughout the administration. And oh what a mess they've made!

I think that in coming years, books will be written and the next generation will be telling their children unbelievable (to the kids) stories of oppression and cruelty on the order of that other generation of Nazi war criminals.

It'll be an interesting area of enquery for some time to come. And, call me an idealistic, Qujotean patriot, but I honestly believe we'll squash this evil cabal before they attain anything close to the level of control in our country that they had over Germany.

So it's not for nothing that all of us got a potent and toxic slice of the Büsh/Nazi ideal. No need for revenge. I remain most untrusting of all in whom the impulse to punish is too strong. It'll be vindicating enough if I get to watch the next generation grow up fed on tales of caution about what can happen when you follow orders from on high w/o first consulting your own concience.

On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on October 27, 2005, 04:35:00 PM

bump to the top because it belongs at the top

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Anonymous on November 01, 2005, 02:49:00 PM

They Semblers were featured in the St Pete Times today about their campaign contributions,

it's how they got away with Straight but no mention of Straight in the article

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on November 01, 2005, 06:40:00 PM

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On 2005-11-01 11:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"They Semblers were featured in the St Pete Times today about their campaign contributions,



it's how they got away with Straight but no mention of Straight in the article



"

No, but I think it mentions a Seedling:

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His sons, Greg and Brent Sembler, also are politically active. Brent Sembler is the finance chairman for gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist.

I still haven't got rock solid confirmation of that, but it does seem likely at this point.

Regardless, I think you've got the cause and effect mixed up wrt who's fuckin' whom and where'd the money go. They aren't "getting away" with this bullshit because they're good for so much money. They're raising the money and running these programs for the same reasons; because the political vermin who they support want them to do it. They think it's a good thing. Just look at the incestuous orgy of influence between KHK, DFAF and Governor Taft's office in Ohio. Nobody's 'getting away with' running KHK cause the gov needs the campaign contributions. On the contrary, they're doing it with his and his wife's full knowledge and blessing.

Same as it ever was.

So, you think Crist will actually be governor? And would he be the first Program grad to hold that job? The world may never know.

I give money for church organs in the hope the organ music will distract the congregation's attention from the rest of the service.
--Andrew Carnegie, Scottish-born American industrialist and philanthropist

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Cayo Hueso on November 01, 2005, 06:44:00 PM

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On 2005-11-01 15:40:00, Antigen wrote:


So, you think Crist will actually be governor? And would he be the first Program grad to hold that job? The world may never know.

Stop it.  You're scaring me now.

You been reading Lee's blogs on him?

When Plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in a society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it.
--Fredric Bastiat

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Antigen on November 01, 2005, 06:51:00 PM

Oh, is she writing again? Last I checked it was pretty stale.

The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923

Title: Betty Semblers Deposition
Post by: Cayo Hueso on November 01, 2005, 06:59:00 PM

Nah, you were right.  Didn't pay attention to the dates and I hadn't checked her in months.

The public schools are...designed around the assumption that all of the participants are irresponsible and incompetent...The result is the creation of an organization which is incapable of change. Every member of the organization is concerned with keeping his superior happy.
--Christopher Jencks, Harvard