Fornits
Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: the wet noodle on September 14, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
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I have decided to stop Fornits for a while...it saddens me because I have felt like I connected with some new friends who could relate to me...and the ways that Str8 has affected my life. But when I was attacked for simply stating that I was a member of a 12 step fellowship...it felt like I was back in group and you all were spitting in my face... Life is too short to take this abuse AGAIN...
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Love ya Withdraw NCL and Pirate you all rock!!!!
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You are not the stepcult. Nobody attacked you in any way. Unless.... is it now considered an insult to call someone a non-addict?
I think I'll get a tshirt made up that says "You Are Not Powerless!" What ya wanna bet it draws more hostility and threats of violence than my "I Love Weed" shirt ever does?
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
Anonymity Anonymous
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noodle doesn't like to be whipped by hot high chickies.
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On 2005-09-14 16:37:00, the wet noodle wrote:
"I have decided to stop Fornits for a while...it saddens me because I have felt like I connected with some new friends who could relate to me...and the ways that Str8 has affected my life. But when I was attacked for simply stating that I was a member of a 12 step fellowship...it felt like I was back in group and you all were spitting in my face... Life is too short to take this abuse AGAIN...
:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
Love ya Withdraw NCL and Pirate you all rock!!!!"
Noodle I don't think you should leave. I know how it is to get wrapped up in the posts and get upset. It happens. For the most part people are just engaging in debate about their beliefs regarding AA and NA.
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On 2005-09-14 18:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
"noodle doesn't like to be whipped by hot high chickies."
u r hot? cool! send me a pic...
WN
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You really should not leave Wet Noodle. I take lots more crap for my thoughts and views than you did I do believe. You just have to understand that some people will disagree with you. Don't worry about it and dont let them get you down, enjoy your supporters.
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Well the wet noodle is reading
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I understand , when I post here, often I draw alot of debate. I took a several months break before I recently came back. Take some time if you need ::cheers::
*edit, cause my typing sooks [ This Message was edited by: Withdraw on 2005-09-15 04:18 ]
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Wow, dragonfly, that was quite brave of you to post such controversial stuff. Funny how we get confronted here too for being honest!
Antigen/anon, How do y'all know he's reading?
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I have thought long and hard about this since I have started this thread. I am not really that upset that folks do not agree with me...or even that they are being mean and/or confronting me.
I actually love to debate and argue (I am a lawyer for gods sake).
What really burns me up is that a bunch of people on this site aren't just anti Str8...they are anti recovery...which is one of the most unforgiveable and ignorant things i have ever seen...
I am an active member of AA. I still attend many meetings every week, I have a home group, I work with a sponser and I sponser other men. As far as I am concerned the steps saved my life.
Over the past 17 years I have gone from a punk kid who committed many crimes...to someone who got my GED, went to community college, went to university and went to a top ten law school. I have a great relationship with my family. I have amazing friends and a good life.
I am a high school drop out who is now a successful lawyer... as far as I am concerned I owe it all to AA and god and the steps...
I am in therapy right now for the way that I am in my interpersonal relationships. It has come up that maybe my ability to relate to other people in relationships was shaped by my time in Str8... (fear of abandonement, wanting to always share my feelings, etc). Coincidentally...I found this site a few weeks back... at first I thought that it was great to able to go back and deal with some issues that I thought (wrongly) I had dealt with long ago... it was cool to talk to people who could relate to my experiences...
But I am now finding out now that this site is not about criticizing Str8...it is about criticizing all 12 step recovery...
I have no desire to be a part of something with that agenda...
Str8 was horrible...but I am not against all 12 step treatement centers as Antigen seems to be...
I wonder what Antigen would do is she had an out of control drug addict teenager on her hands?
There are a lot of bad juvenile treatment centers...but there are also a lot of good ones...
But I digress...I have decided to take a break because of the way that I feel when I defend that which has saved my life (AA)...
I am finding myself angry, caustic, sarcatic and bitter... These are ways that I do not want to be...
If you all want to smoke dope...that's fine... I have no judgment on that issue I would love to smoke some dope myself (I would if I thought I could)...but for you to criticize my life (which is built on and revolves around the 12 steps and the golden rule)...that is something that I do not want any part of...
Love and kissess
The Wet Noodle
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P.S. I am not saying that AA or NA is for everyone...that is a subject that is definitely up for debate...but to say that it is not right for ME...or for ANYONE ever...that is in my opinion a very ignorant point of view that I do not want any part of...THAT is the same thing as Str8 calling people addicts when they had never even used drugs...
Peace
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Noodle, not everyone here is against recovery. Personally I have no problem with people that CHOOSE to attend AA or NA. This is life Noodle, everyone has a different opinion. I don't see eye to eye with most people on a lot of things and if I expected everyone to see things my way in order to associate with them I would have no one to communicate with.
I hope that you reconsider your decision because as survivors I think it's imporatant we all stick together regardless of opinions.
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Well, Shady, I didn't post that about WN still reading. So I don't know. Maybe it's a friend who knew. Maybe just a good guess. Either way.
Noodle, I happen to know who the anon is that you've been primarily arguing with. To say that he's against recovery is laughable. I wish I could let you in on that, but it's prettty much private info. And now the anon over on the I Just thread will likely take that to mean that he's a closet stepper or something. According to him, you see, this site is all about promoting the Semblers and Straight by making us all look like a bunch of stoners. Other's think I should delete all the Elan trolls, cause if I don't then this site is all about raceism. Still others wish I'd ban all the program proponants and edcons, otherwise this site is just another recruiting venue for the programs.
You see where this is going? Nobody every said go be a junkie. Nobody I know of around here is really against anyone w/ a real problem w/ drugs (or otherwise) getting a handle on things. All the criticizm was against the 12-step cult.
Personally, I don't have a big problem w/ people voluntarily meeting up to worship anything from the Big Book to Ekanar(sp?) to the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I do, however, have some very serious problems w/ stepcraft as it actually exists today. To say that Str8 has or had nothing to do w/ stepcraft is just... astounding!
I know one person through a friend who was court ordered into Teen Challenge and another, one of my daughter's friends, who's debating whether to go or face a couple of years in county prison. So who's Teen Challenge? His cousin went to their facility in Oakland over a year ago and now she doesn't want to come back. She's trying to get her grandma to pitch for another year of "treatment". According to the one guy (a Str8 grad around our age) it's pretty much the same as it ever was. Took him a good year or so after graduation to start shaking it off.
According to Heal-online.org:
Alabama Teen Challenge in Oxford (& cities of Bay Minette, Warrior, ), AL is highly suspected of being a teen torture facility. Teen Challenge is the only group of programs endorsed by the Drug Free America Foundation (DFAF). DFAF was founded by Mel Sembler, former owner and director of Straight, Inc. a confirmedly torturous group of institutions for teens. Straight, Inc. was endorsed by former US presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush. In George W. Bush?s first term (2000-2004) he appointed Mel Sembler as US ambassador to Italy. George W. Bush instituted the ?New Freedom Commission? in 2000. The ?New Freedom Commission? is a group of psychiatrists and pharmaceutical lobbyists working to insure that every child in America is drugged and virtually enslaved through behavior modification. Please do not sent your child to any Teen Challenge program. If you were abused or had your rights violated by Teen Challenge, please contact us and we will post your story here as a warning to others. To view confirmed statements regarding abuse at other Teen Challenge programs, click here. To read about Straight, Inc. and the Semblers, please click here.
Evidently, the goose stepping altruistic tyrants are every actively and very directly using force of law to compell indictrination in Str8 under new names; now with increased government funding.
THAT is what I vehemently oppose. It doesn't matter how hard you and Shady or anyone else insists that's not happeneing or that you dissapprove. It's happening. And you're insistance to the contrary is just the same as any Str8ling's insistance that no abuse ever occured in the Program. So it does tend to get under my skin just a tad.
You're not the only one who was a pain in the ass kid. And you're not the only punk kid who ever pulled their shit together. If you look around, you'll find that more people pull their shit together w/o stepcraft than with it. If you've been off drugs for 17 years, but telling yourself every day that you've an addict, well that's just tragic.
You said: "I am in therapy right now for the way that I am in my interpersonal relationships. It has come up that maybe my ability to relate to other people in relationships was shaped by my time in Str8... (fear of abandonement, wanting to always share my feelings, etc)."
I can't dissagree w/ that. Often times these discussions remind me of a day in group. Basically, we really are all a lot of assholes. But you don't have to agree w/ me or anyone else to maintain status or belongership. I think anyone who agrees w/ everyone who hangs out here would be, by definition, mentally ill. How can you agree w/ a bunch of people who don't even agree w/ each other?...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana
is its effect on the degenerate races.
Harry Anslinger
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I can't believe that I am being sucked back into this...but maybe you all are right...I shouldn't leave...or I can't leave...I think I need to join a new 12 step program because I am powerless over this site! :smokin: :smokin:
But I doubt that will happen anytime soon...
Take care...and I guess (grudgingly) you have not seen the last of The Wet Noodle.
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But antigen those of us who do use the 12-steps get really beat down if we talk about it here. I could talk about Buddhism alot and maybe get a few trolls to give me shit, but 12-steps, forget it. All threads become full time, shit giving.
So it is clear to us that you don't want us here. (it's your website). But we are survivors, too. We got hurt in that insane place and we can actually help, too, in these discussions. Antigen, I personally have always respected you as an intelligent voice here, so this tact you've taken lately has really surprised me.
I haven't read ANYTHING yet that you have posted that proves NA/AA and straight are cohorts. Yes, I agree that somewhere along the line law-enforcement started dumping DUIs in meetings. I don't know why...maybe Bill W was friends with a judge, I dunno. Do you? Facts. I have asked those that know more than I and no one knows.
But the thing is, it is against traditions. NA/AA officially does not want to be associated with any other organization. Having your court slip signed is against traditions. I personally will not do it.
Yes, many other organizations would like to associate themselves with NA/AA, such as rehabs. But b/c NA/AA has no opinion on this, NA/AA do not denounce the association. This is what is written in the literature. I know many see a conspiracy despite this. I just feel I have to give this perspective when I read these claims. Anitgen, your statements are shocking to ME.
When people say I am pathetic, or that my beliefs are tragic, or that they are sorry to find out about something I believe it DOES hurt. Maybe I'm just a wuss. But I would never speak to anyone that way. How can one possibly feel welcome here with this? I have gained alot from this site in the last year and a half and I plan to stick around. Despite the crazies and the assholes.
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On 2005-09-15 10:46:00, the wet noodle wrote:
That is the reason why your whole rant about people being forced into 12 step programs is ridiculous!!! People who are court ordered into AA/NA sit in the back of the room, do not pay attention, relate out and leave as soon as they can...they only have to attend meeting once or twice a week for gods sake...people who are court ordered into treatment centers are choosing them instead of jail...and these centers may use the 12 steps...but they are not endorsed by AA/NA..
Jail vs. Stepcult indoctrination is no choice at all, and for you to think that Stepsters like yourself are not behind the practice is ludicrous. Do you think that Anheuser Busch or Seagram's lobbied to get the courts to send people to meetings?
NA/AA uses the loophole "oh, we don't endorse any causes, but our members might" as their justification for their disgusting practices. And the 12th Step says to "carry the message", which is dangerous, because the ideas espoused by this cult with which you are so enamored are not only false, but detrimental. If the Stepcult was some harmless little sect of kooks, I'd let it go, but it is not---it is a fucked-up organization that has been making inroads in our culture for far too long.
And you , Wet Noodle, are a fucking hypocrite. You whine about me bashing your idiotic religion, yet several times you have accused me of "perpetuating Straight's abuse" by doing this, and have made other personal attacks when you were unable to respond to questions or assertions I have made about Stepcraft. How typical of your ilk---you can not defend the ridiculous notions espoused by your cult, notions which are not only false, but dangerous, so you whine about being attacked while you spout inane accusations and insults. You also erroneously state that I feel the way I do about your dime-store philosophy is a result of Straight and only Straight. This is not the case. I have attended meetings of your cult and know exactly what it is, firsthand.
Your belief that treatment centers such as Straight are not part of the Stepcult is completely at odds with reality. The 12 Step groups are frequently invoked, with mandatory meetings at most of them, and speakers from the local AA/NA diocese are brought in by many of them.
Enjoy the Kool-Aid.
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On 2005-09-15 07:48:00, the wet noodle wrote:
" a bunch of people on this site aren't just anti Str8...they are anti recovery...which is one of the most unforgiveable and ignorant things i have ever seen..."
you don't get out much, do you.
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On 2005-09-15 10:46:00, the wet noodle wrote:
The main diference between AA/NA and treatment centers like Str8 is a little something called FREEWILL. AA/NA does not work unless it is voluntary...
Free will being brought up by somone who is "powerless over (whatever)". Does this strike anyone else besides me as being a little odd? Careful, Wet Noodle, entertaining ideas that free will exists is gonna get you on the road to relapse.
Seriously, if someone has "free will" enough to sign up with the Stepcult, why can't they have "free will" enough to stop or moderate their ingestion of certain chemical compounds that they believe are causing them problems?
Oh, yeah, I'm high on pot as I write this..... :smokin:
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"When people say I am pathetic, or that my beliefs are tragic, or that they are sorry to find out about something I believe it DOES hurt. Maybe I'm just a wuss."
shady buddy, would you please take up some martial arts or boxing or something. i sincerely think that you have been emotionally battered by all this program jive. that's what i think, and i am posting it. i am not concerned with whether or not it hurts your feelings. i think you have been trained so severely that even when you are alone in your car and somebody cuts you off or rides your tail, you think you have to work your program and "forgive them" or "see them as a child of light" (your words, not mine).
this sort of training is violent to a normal, functioning psyche. it is constant internal criticism. tell the truth now. how much of the day do you spend reviewing your reactions to things and what you "need" to share about with someone later?
you might want to give up all that sugar crap and junk food, too. that can wreck your emotions. here is some unsolicited and yet first rate dietary advice: you go spend some money in the produce section. get yourself some of that florida fish. don't eat anything that doesn't resemble what it looked like when it was alive. trash all the other food in the house. do it now. i should charge you good money for how fucking Beautiful People* this is going to make you feel. but, check into fornits once in a while. i'll keep giving you free tips.
*don't forget us little fornits friends when you and sophie are walking the red carpet!
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On 2005-09-15 07:48:00, the wet noodle wrote:
as far as I am concerned I owe it all to AA and god and the steps...
Give up the lawyer gig, and get into stand-up comedy---you're cracking me up!!!!! :lol: :lol:
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I don't know where you get the idea that I don't want you here. This is a relavent discussion or it wouldn't keep coming up all the time. Seems to me that you require that everyone tip toe around your sacred faith or you'll take your ball and go home. Ok, if that's how you feel then do that. As much as I've enjoyed this (and I'm not being facetious, it's actually bit a bit more civil and coherent than most discussions on one of these hot topics) I value meaningful free and open discussion far more than your tender feelings or participation.
I don't find anything printed in the Big Book any more compelling than "Honesty, the first and most impotent rule."
Unless you can make a damned compelling argument to support your notion that someone other than stepcraft believers* are the ones coercing stepcraft participation, that particular tradition doesn't really mean anything easier. Where do you think they get their staff? You think they hire non members and just give them a 6 wk course in the Program then turn them loose?
Never mind what they say, whatch what they do!
But what else would you expect. Your cult promotes the idea that you will die if you leave the cult. Shit, was it Shady or Noodle who accused anon of trying to kill people by criticizing your cult? So you personally promote this idea. The politicians are listening! They hear you and they've got their finger on the pulse of the rest of the public who are almost as scared to honestly discuss your cult as some people are to use the word nigger in any context.
What the hell do you think they'll do with that? Pretend you're a politican for a moment. "Hey, everybody who might object to my handing my buddy a few mil in public funding is scared shitless to say so." And, again, your pretending that it's either not happening or that your cult has nothing to do with it is detrimental to the cause of putting a stop to it. But only if people keep walking on egg shells around the issue.
*AA/NA/GA or any other XA belief system that attributes mystical power to personal powerlessness. The Internet is now safe for free speech.
-- Christopher A. Hansen on the overturning of the Communications Decency Act
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On 2005-09-15 10:56:00, shady grove wrote:
"When people say I am pathetic, or that my beliefs are tragic, or that they are sorry to find out about something I believe it DOES hurt."
i know JUST what you mean. i feel the exact same way when people don't get why i like outkast so much. it tears me up. i fling myself across the bedcovers and weep bitter tears of being misunderstood. they just don't get it, and maybe they never will!!!!!!
every boy and girl, woman to man,
when you feel you've done about the best you can,
muthafuck the wagon come join the band
vibrate, vibrate higher!
-Andre Benjamin
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I have changed my mind.... at first I was offended by everyones constant digging against the program (AA) that saved my life...
But now I think this forum is kind of fun... ::soapbox::
Love ya...have a seat!!!
::dove::
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Thank you anon. I believe I know who you are and I do miss talking on PMs. I am assuming that we no longer do b/c you've realized that I'm a stepcult nazi automaton.
But thanks for the advice. I love fresh veggies but having trouble taking the time to cook them. I'm actually a good cook. Started a new diet (again) so wish me luck. It's weight watchers, no steps!
Good guess about the self-questioning. I do this too much but the the other extreme is far worse.
Antigen, I didn't mean that you can't discuss this topic b/c of my poor infant feelings. I was referring specifically to when forniters make personal remarks. And if I am welcome, well thanks.
BTW- i never said anyone here would die for any reason or cause another to do so.
I'm going down to the schoolyard now to indoctrinate some new stepcultists. Wish me luck.
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On 2005-09-16 09:36:00, shady grove wrote:
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I'm going down to the schoolyard now to indoctrinate some new stepcultists. Wish me luck."
Dude...wait for me...
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Wait for me guys! I'll bring the robes and the flowers. Shady don't forget your tambourine sweetie. ::bigsmilebounce::
Seriously, I have been wondering...
What is the suggestion for the person with addiction? Oh..addiction isn't real unless we are talking about physical addiction? Is that what I understand? Compulsive behavior isn't real? I think I am missing something.
So if not XA... then what? What is your solution for the "junkie snatching purses or the sweet little old lady getting drugs from her doctor"? That's the part that confuses me. I get it why you don't like straight and the 12 step fellowships. What I don't get is ...what is YOUR solution.
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On 2005-09-16 16:15:00, Sophie wrote:
" ...what is YOUR solution."
:smokin:
thanks for asking.
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On 2005-09-16 09:36:00, shady grove wrote:
"Thank you anon. I believe I know who you are and I do miss talking on PMs."[/qoute]
b.s. you ditched me months ago. don't come crying if i don't write you back the first day.
"I am assuming that we no longer do b/c you've realized that I'm a stepcult nazi automaton."
again, b.s. you clearly feel guilty for ditching me so you are making it look like my fault.
"But thanks for the advice. I love fresh veggies but having trouble taking the time to cook them."
maybe you shouldn't spend so much time either on the internet or going to meetings.
[quote}I'm actually a good cook. Started a new diet (again) so wish me luck. It's weight watchers, no steps!"
best of luck to ya dear. if that don't work, how bout you and the missus come up to my spa. i'll give you a real cut rate. war vets and all.
"Good guess about the self-questioning. I do this too much but the the other extreme is far worse."
please explain. NOW.
"I'm going down to the schoolyard now to indoctrinate some new stepcultists. Wish me luck."
gross. but since it is a "joke" i will let it slide. i will NOT however let slide the fact that Straight gave you O.C.D. - your post, buddy, not mine - I mean, that place motherfukkin child abused you, and you are happy to keep drinking the cool aid. it really is extraordinary, on the level of CIA extraordinary, what a good job these government sponsored thought reform camps do in long term pacification of a certain percentage of prisoners. i mean, they are motherfucking perverts, not only in the brain with all their rules about you are supposed to organize your thoughts and emotions Just So so that you psychologically self-flagellate all day, but in the body too! motherfuckers want to stick a needle in people to see what's in that blood! i mean, you'd think I'd be used to it, with the dogs and the sniffing and all that. but i think the taking of the blood is not only creepy, it's like rape.
and, yes you are so on their side.
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On 2005-09-16 16:15:00, Sophie wrote:
So if not XA... then what? What is your solution for the "junkie snatching purses or the sweet little old lady getting drugs from her doctor"? That's the part that confuses me. I get it why you don't like straight and the 12 step fellowships. What I don't get is ...what is YOUR solution?
The solution to the junkie snatching purses is real easy. Do like they do in merry ol'e England and Switzerland; make it legal. (uh, the heroin, not the purse snatching) My only dissagreement w/ their approach is that I don't think all tax payors should be compelled to provide the drugs, supplies and other expense items any more than I should be compelled to pay for stepcraft based programs. Before we tried to help the poor junkies, heroin was freely available from any corner apothacary or the Sears catalog for the same price per dose as aspirin. Whe had addicts, to be sure. Especially following our wars. But they weren't ever desperate for a fix. There was no such thing as drug crime at all. Drug crime and drug cartels and narco terror and drug gangs are all entirely a consequence of prohibition.
That might even go a long way toward helping the little old lady who's getting bad advice and/or the wrong or too many drugs from her doctor. There's a broad perception in our society that if you follow your doctor's advice, you'll be a-ok. That, of course, is rediculous. Doctors 1) are falible human beings just like the rest of us and 2) don't know a damned thing you don't tell them, except that narrow bit of data they can get from lab tests.
So then we'd be left w/ only the actual consequences of substance abuse on the individual user. From a public polic/public health standpoint, that's entirely negligable. No more public response is required exept to quit medaling in the private affairs of others.
On a personal level, XA wouldn't be so bad on an entirely voluntary basis if it's adherants would recognize that it is, indeed, a religion and has no place in public policy. Have I mentioned that my big problem w/ the stepcult is it's way of seeping into public policy?
I know this is hard to swollow, but we don't really have a huge drug problem. Addiction rates have not changed significantly in all the years since the Harrison Narcotics Act. Before that, we won WWII, finished the Panama Canal and used to produce the best thinkers, writers and entrepreneurs the world had ever seen. Usage rates go up in times of stress and down in times of peace and plenty. That seems to be the only reliable correlation.
So.. how about we eliminate DEA, ATF, area taskforces, DARE, NIDA, the Ad Council and all the rest of the ineffective drugwar apparatus, immeidately, if not sooner, cut all forms of taxes accross the board commensurate to the dime w/ those spending cuts and see if the ensuing prosperity will do it's thing and reduce desperation and, hence, the need for self medication?
The remainder of the problem will at least not be our problem and maybe those folks most susceptable to substance abuse will have less stress to medicate now that we're not actively at war with them.
In all seriousness, though, look to history. Find out what kinds of problems we actually had (or the lack thereof) before we started trying to fix this thing. I think, at the bottom of it, harmful substance use is a minor problem that has been with us always and we just have to accept it just like acne and menopause. So minor, in fact, that few, if any, of the major religions even give it ink in their holy texts.
The way we're doing it now is not helping, is very expensive, is pissing off our neighbors and our own fellow countryment. What was that thing about continuing w/ a practice despite adverse consequences?
I have found Christian dogma unintelligible. Early in life, I absenteed myself from Christian assemblies.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father and inventor
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed Chicklett `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
10/80 - 10/82
Apostate 10/82 -
Anonymity Anonymous
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On 2005-09-16 10:38:00, the wet noodle wrote:
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On 2005-09-16 09:36:00, shady grove wrote:
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I'm going down to the schoolyard now to indoctrinate some new stepcultists. Wish me luck."
Dude...wait for me..."
Fuck! Now I gotta go spike the NA meeting coffee urn with LSD and whiskey again......... ::hehehmm::
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i thought an urn was a place you kept the ashes of the dead. Is that what NA/AA does with addicts that went back to drugs ?? Make coffee outta 'em ?? :silly:
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On 2005-09-16 19:33:00, starry-eyed pirate wrote:
"i thought an urn was a place you kept the ashes of the dead. Is that what NA/AA does with addicts that went back to drugs ?? Make coffee outta 'em ?? :silly: "
Yes, they see that as the only way relapsed addicts can "give back". It's that 12th step thing......
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I'm sorry anon, I don't think I'm sharp enough to understand that "dog and blood" metaphor. I'm sorry I ditched you. I didn't mean to and didn't know I did.
My explanation is that I never want to be one of those that NEVER examines themselves. That's how people get hurt, in my experience.
You have a spa?
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i didn't say anything about a dog and blood metaphor.
and yes, i have a spa. it's upstairs from the coffee shop i own.
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ok
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"...gross. but since it is a "joke" i will let it slide. i will NOT however let slide the fact that Straight gave you O.C.D. - your post, buddy, not mine - I mean, that place motherfukkin child abused you, and you are happy to keep drinking the cool aid. it really is extraordinary, on the level of CIA extraordinary, what a good job these government sponsored thought reform camps do in long term pacification of a certain percentage of prisoners. i mean, they are motherfucking perverts, not only in the brain with all their rules about you are supposed to organize your thoughts and emotions Just So so that you psychologically self-flagellate all day, but in the body too! motherfuckers want to stick a needle in people to see what's in that blood! i mean, you'd think I'd be used to it, with the dogs and the sniffing and all that. but i think the taking of the blood is not only creepy, it's like rape.
and, yes you are so on their side.
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shady, here i am commenting on the disgusting dominance of the apes that have the mandate and the guns.i am saying they don't stop at sniffing the shit we leave, they get extreme orgasmic pleasure out of sticking needles into subordinated apes to satisfy their curiosity of what the ape has eated, smoked, dranked, shotted up, snorted or dissolved in the mouth. fucking perverts.
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On 2005-09-17 23:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
""...gross. but since it is a "joke" i will let it slide. i will NOT however let slide the fact that Straight gave you O.C.D. - your post, buddy, not mine - I mean, that place motherfukkin child abused you, and you are happy to keep drinking the cool aid. it really is extraordinary, on the level of CIA extraordinary, what a good job these government sponsored thought reform camps do in long term pacification of a certain percentage of prisoners. i mean, they are motherfucking perverts, not only in the brain with all their rules about you are supposed to organize your thoughts and emotions Just So so that you psychologically self-flagellate all day, but in the body too! motherfuckers want to stick a needle in people to see what's in that blood! i mean, you'd think I'd be used to it, with the dogs and the sniffing and all that. but i think the taking of the blood is not only creepy, it's like rape.
and, yes you are so on their side.
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shady, here i am commenting on the disgusting dominance of the apes that have the mandate and the guns.i am saying they don't stop at sniffing the shit we leave, they get extreme orgasmic pleasure out of sticking needles into subordinated apes to satisfy their curiosity of what the ape has eated, smoked, dranked, shotted up, snorted or dissolved in the mouth. fucking perverts."
what have you been smokin anon? :smokin:
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Drug crime and drug cartels and narco terror and drug gangs are all entirely a consequence of prohibition.
........ :idea:
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i'LL never post here again?
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:tup:
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On 2005-09-20 10:09:00, shady grove wrote:
" :tup: "
Fuck off shady grove. What you lack in smallness of size you make up for in smallness of mind.
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On 2005-09-20 17:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-09-20 10:09:00, shady grove wrote:
" :exclaim: So bring it on :flame:
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Oh no. A wet noodle. Yikes.
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WN will FUCK YOU UP. Mark my words, you're a dead man.
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On 2005-09-21 19:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WN will FUCK YOU UP. Mark my words, you're a dead man."
Baghead here speaks the truth...don't fuc# with my man Shady
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You tell 'em, toughguy!
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Yeah, tough guy! Go get 'em. Bet they'll regret the day they crossed you!
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On 2005-09-21 20:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You tell 'em, toughguy!"
Ok, I have had enough of you turkeys (or turkey) I am off to bed...
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'nite...thanks for dropping by!