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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 10, 2005, 06:10:00 PM
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Would be good if we could get some former Staffers to tell of their experiences at Hyde. There are tons of them out there since very few stay more than a year or two!
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If they are present staffers, they wouldn't post. If they are former ones, they want to put the ugly mess behind them! Most staffers who leave Hyde want to forget they were ever there!!
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Someone who claims to be both a former student and
faculty member posted to another thread 8 days ago.
Bottom post on this page http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=43&14 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10224&forum=43&14)
If she's who I think she is she was in the same
freshman class as me.I am not looking to collect money or punish anyone for their involvement with straight. I'm looking to change this mutherfucking world.
Reagan Youth
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I am a Hyde staffer
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On 2005-11-08 19:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am a Hyde staffer"
And what are your views on the various issues that have been addressed on this website?
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It must be a nightmare to teach at Hyde. Teachers have to go through this 'process' too. I'm a teacher myself (not at Hyde) , and to be part of that system I would have to toss out everything I learned about learning theory, good practices and child psychology. Like the "Emperor's New Clothes" - it sounds good at first, but, there must be some reason why the turnover is as high as it is there. My child's favorite teachers have all left. Just as parents are reticent to go public about their complaint, so are teachers, especially since they'll need references in their future.
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Who were your child's favorite teachers and why?
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I am not the "anonymous" you are asking about as far as favorite teachers, but I was a student at Hyde and will tell you about the teachers.
My favorite teachers ended up being the ones who were not involved in their "own self discovery." There were a few good teachers at the school who for some reason the school leaves alone, and does not insist they go through the same seminars. For most teachers and their families, it was required. I don't know for sure but I think the ones that they leave alone are the ones who they know would not "buy into the program" yet they don't want to lose them.
What got to me the most was the totally f--ked up teachers who they had leading the seminars. So many of my teachers had such deep seeded problems they should have NEVER been giving advise or facilitating seminars. I never understood this. The young ones especially! It seemed to me that any of the good, psychologically normal teachers would get the hell out within a year or two because it was just too bizarre of a school. Those ones who left were my best and favorite teachers.
I so much appreciate some of the posts I am seeing on this board. So many of you have articulated what is seriously wrong with Hyde.
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I don't remember faculty having to go through seminar so they must have changed that since '76. The seminars I remember were just the freshman class and one faculty member who was the leader and not a target. I know I dreaded the damn things because I was always the most convenient target in the class. If you wanted not to be the focus of a seminar just talk about 'ol Tom.
A fundamentalist Christian President who claims God told him to invade Iraq ? an act that killed more than 150,000 civilians, mostly women and children ? is not that much different from a fundamentalist Islamic fanatic who claims it is the will of Allah that he send young men to America to crash airliners into office buildings and kill 3,000 plus.
DOUG THOMPSON
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Oh yes Tommy, the staff have their own sick seminars! They make them talk about their marriages, and everything else intrusive that the rest of us go through. Hyde will say this shows how great the school is in making the teachers go through the same thing, but from what I understand many teachers would bolt and run because of this intrusivness!! I remember hearing from Mrs Grant about being raped as a student in college. Is this really what all of us kids need to hear in order to "grow?"
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On 2005-11-10 19:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh yes Tommy, the staff have their own sick seminars! They make them talk about their marriages, and everything else intrusive that the rest of us go through. Hyde will say this shows how great the school is in making the teachers go through the same thing, but from what I understand many teachers would bolt and run because of this intrusivness!! I remember hearing from Mrs Grant about being raped as a student in college. Is this really what all of us kids need to hear in order to "grow?""
This is yet another example of Hyde's twisted perspective. Here's a school where many (most?) students have struggled to maintain clear boundaries in their lives. Many students are confused about boundaries because of abusive relationships and poor role modeling in their own families and in relationships with troubled peers (due to enmeshed relationships, sexual molestation, exploitation, etc.). So, what does Hyde do? Hyde requires students and parents to participate in seminars that provide students with incredibly poor examples of . . . inappropriate boundaries in the form of (1) parents disclosing inappropriate information in front of their kids and (2) faculty and staff disclosing inappropriate information in front of parents and students. No wonder many Hyde kids leave the school with an even more damaged sense of what constitutes appropriate boundaries in relationships with other people. The role modeling at Hyde should be included as a chapter in a textbook about how NOT to raise adolescents.
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My views? I think people go through different things while at Hyde School and it is natural for some people to hate it and love it. Hyde is much different from any school out there. I feel it is the hardest school in American, because it does go after our deepest self. My experience has been positive. As far as all of the negative posts, what can you do? People have their own views and those need to be respected. But, if you want to break down, all Hyde asks from its faculty, students, and parents is that they work hard, tell the truth, and help others do the same.
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On 2005-11-21 10:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My views? I think people go through different things while at Hyde School and it is natural for some people to hate it and love it. Hyde is much different from any school out there. I feel it is the hardest school in American, because it does go after our deepest self. My experience has been positive. As far as all of the negative posts, what can you do? People have their own views and those need to be respected. But, if you want to break down, all Hyde asks from its faculty, students, and parents is that they work hard, tell the truth, and help others do the same."
You sound like a very sincere person and I am always happy to see both positive and negative feedback when it is done honestly.
I do not mean to detract from what you have posted, but the biggest problem I experienced with Hyde is that they DONT tell the truth. I had many experiences where the Hyde staff and especially the top administrators were dishonest.
I am glad that your experience has been good, but I wonder how long you have been at Hyde. It took us a long time to see through our clouded glasses. Thank you for sharing with us.
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I have been at Hyde for 6 years. I am sorry to hear that you have experienced dishonesty from certain administrators. One thing I do know is that Hyde's motives are positive and proactive. The people of administer the character culture at all Hyde Schools mean well. But, I do know that mistakes happen here and sometimes lack of judgement leads to misapproriated actions, but I see these as far and few between. I believe some things should change, but as far as the core of the the school does, I would not change a thing.
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On 2005-11-27 05:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have been at Hyde for 6 years. I am sorry to hear that you have experienced dishonesty from certain administrators. One thing I do know is that Hyde's motives are positive and proactive. The people of administer the character culture at all Hyde Schools mean well. But, I do know that mistakes happen here and sometimes lack of judgement leads to misapproriated actions, but I see these as far and few between. I believe some things should change, but as far as the core of the the school does, I would not change a thing."
I can appreciate the fact that you believe in the Hyde model. And I appreciate your willingness to acknoweldge that "mistakes happen here and sometimes lack of judgement leads to misapproriated [sic -- I'm not sure I know what that word means] actions."
But, it's very distressing to read your comment that "as far as the core of the the [sic] school does, I would not change a thing."
Have you read all of the postings on this website that offer amazingly detailed commentary on Hyde's troubling practices related to mishandling of students' mental health problems, abusive use of shaming and humiliation tactics, sponsorship of FLCs where emotionally raw material is disclosed by participants without any professional staff available to handle melt-downs among students and parents, incidents involving sexual harassment of students by a staff member, poor academic backgrounds among some teachers, Joe Gauld's incredibly arrogant, dismissive, and controlling demeanor, Hyde's handling of kids who run away from the school, the high attrition rate at Hyde, and so on?
Do you really believe that these issues don't need to be addressed? If that's your view, it's no wonder Hyde's reputation among educational consultants has slipped significantly and that so many parents are spreading negative information about Hyde.
If you haven't read the postings on this website, I encourage you to do so.
P.S. What is your position at Hyde? What role(s) have you played during the past 6 years?
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When I was at Hyde the only staff/administrators who lasted more than a couple of years were those who were very troubled themselves. It seemed as though the good teachers/staff left as soon as they saw what Hyde was all about.
I went to Hyde 4 years ago and when looking at the current roaster online there are VERY FEW teachers who are still there from my year. I know this high percentage is not as common at other boarding schools, and is due to the odd abuses that occur at Hyde. They can't keep good teachers because the good ones move on to schools where the academics are stronger or at least this is what some of them have told me.
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I am both a Hyde graduate and former faculty member, having finished my teaching stint at Bath nearly ten years ago. I agree with many of your reactions about the "round peg in a square hole" syndrome. I often felt misunderstood and tortured both mentally and physically as a student. Nonetheless, I did believe that the school made me confront many of my insecurities and fears. Compared to Hyde, college was a breeze and after going to graduate school I accepted a teaching position at Hyde. Essentially, I did so hoping that I could make a difference in the lives of kids (and learn proper teaching techniques in the process).
In terms of the quality of academic instruction at Hyde, no one can claim that the school puts academics first. Although I did work alongside a few excellent educators, most were not well versed in their subject areas. Sadly, this did not make much of a difference since the schedule at Hyde was so "seminar" and "sports-centered" that there was little time to teach. Moreover, many of my colleagues looked forward to these scenarios so that they would not have to teach.
Hyde truly is not for everyone. Unfortunately, kids do not often get to make the decisions as to where they will attend school. Parents often put their sons or daughters in a place like Hyde because they want them "fixed". My recommendation for all prospective families is for you to do your homework. Ask good questions. If you want a strenuous academic environment, then Hyde may not be the place for you.
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On 2006-01-08 14:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am both a Hyde graduate and former faculty member, having finished my teaching stint at Bath nearly ten years ago. I agree with many of your reactions about the "round peg in a square hole" syndrome. I often felt misunderstood and tortured both mentally and physically as a student. Nonetheless, I did believe that the school made me confront many of my insecurities and fears. Compared to Hyde, college was a breeze and after going to graduate school I accepted a teaching position at Hyde. Essentially, I did so hoping that I could make a difference in the lives of kids (and learn proper teaching techniques in the process).
In terms of the quality of academic instruction at Hyde, no one can claim that the school puts academics first. Although I did work alongside a few excellent educators, most were not well versed in their subject areas. Sadly, this did not make much of a difference since the schedule at Hyde was so "seminar" and "sports-centered" that there was little time to teach. Moreover, many of my colleagues looked forward to these scenarios so that they would not have to teach.
Hyde truly is not for everyone. Unfortunately, kids do not often get to make the decisions as to where they will attend school. Parents often put their sons or daughters in a place like Hyde because they want them "fixed". My recommendation for all prospective families is for you to do your homework. Ask good questions. If you want a strenuous academic environment, then Hyde may not be the place for you.
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Thank you for your honest Hyde impressions and experiences. What you've said is very helpful. My impression is that Hyde is not very strong academically overall, although I'm sure there are some good teachers.
My main concern is with all the comments I read on this website about Hyde's use of intimidation and confrontation. Many people have said that their kids have been humiliated and confronted in ways that aren't helpful. Also, many people have said that Hyde is not a good place for kids whose behavior is primarily a result of their mental health issues. May I ask you what you think about these issues?
One other issue, if you don't mind: Is it true that faculty handle these seminars but aren't trained in mental health techniques or issues? The seminars sound a lot like therapy sessions where some pretty big issues come out. What was your experience with that? Do the faculty have the training to deal with the issues?
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There simply is no training for seminars. The teachers are simply told to learn from others and trust your "gut" instincts. In no instance are APA (American Psychological Association) guidelines followed. This simply would be too much of an academic approach for Hyde - one where professional training would be required. There simply is no time for this to happen.
The main context of counseling at Hyde is getting to the truth of the matter. The goal is to get the kid and or parent to look at what is hindering their progress (usually referred to as attitude(s)). Typically, as many have alluded to in their comments, a one-size-fits-all approach is commonly utilized. Unfortunately, this does not work in the real world and it certainly does not work at Hyde. Yet this is too often the designed format.
I would definitely state that a utilitarian approach is the most common paradigm utilized at Hyde - individuality is vanquished in favor of the group. This might be why so many folks have responded w/dismay in regards to their experiences in seminars, regional meetings, etc.
I do think the majority (if not all) of the teachers and administrators at the school mean well. Unfortunately, most live, work, eat, and socialize with one another. As a result, they are limited by what they experience in such a small school environment (in such a small town, etc.). Quite simply, it is easier for those who work at Hyde to just eat up the prevailing acronyms or slogans (and they change faster than some people change their underwear) rather than seeking out the most capable, professionally recommended counseling practices.
I should conclude by stating that I do love Hyde in many ways. I guess I am like a grateful dieter. I lost fifty pounds on a rigorous diet, i.e., Hyde - one that made me so miserable that I would never again put back on the weight (never again teach there). Nonetheless, I am healthier for it. This might be the experience of some. I suspect others, unfortunately, only had poor experiences. If I contributed to these in any way during my tenure at Hyde, my sincerest and deepest regrets.
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On 2006-01-08 19:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"There simply is no training for seminars. The teachers are simply told to learn from others and trust your "gut" instincts. In no instance are APA (American Psychological Association) guidelines followed. This simply would be too much of an academic approach for Hyde - one where professional training would be required. There simply is no time for this to happen.
The main context of counseling at Hyde is getting to the truth of the matter. The goal is to get the kid and or parent to look at what is hindering their progress (usually referred to as attitude(s)). Typically, as many have alluded to in their comments, a one-size-fits-all approach is commonly utilized. Unfortunately, this does not work in the real world and it certainly does not work at Hyde. Yet this is too often the designed format.
I would definitely state that a utilitarian approach is the most common paradigm utilized at Hyde - individuality is vanquished in favor of the group. This might be why so many folks have responded w/dismay in regards to their experiences in seminars, regional meetings, etc.
I do think the majority (if not all) of the teachers and administrators at the school mean well. Unfortunately, most live, work, eat, and socialize with one another. As a result, they are limited by what they experience in such a small school environment (in such a small town, etc.). Quite simply, it is easier for those who work at Hyde to just eat up the prevailing acronyms or slogans (and they change faster than some people change their underwear) rather than seeking out the most capable, professionally recommended counseling practices.
I should conclude by stating that I do love Hyde in many ways. I guess I am like a grateful dieter. I lost fifty pounds on a rigorous diet, i.e., Hyde - one that made me so miserable that I would never again put back on the weight (never again teach there). Nonetheless, I am healthier for it. This might be the experience of some. I suspect others, unfortunately, only had poor experiences. If I contributed to these in any way during my tenure at Hyde, my sincerest and deepest regrets."
Your comments are extremely helpful to me and my family. We have really struggled with our Hyde experience. I agree that some of the staff mean well. But ever since we arrived at Hyde we have had an uneasy feeling about aspects of the school we didn't know much about until we got there. Every time I sit in a seminar or FLC I get more and more uncomfortable with the kinds of issues people talk about. Some of the discussion is fine and helpful, but so much of what I've witnessed sounds a lot like group therapy. I've overheard some incredibly painful conversations and witnessed some really horrible incidents involving parents, students, and staff. What you said about Hyde staff getting no training to run seminars now helps me understand my discomfort. I find it very hard to believe that Hyde is allowed to run these seminars run by staff who have no background in the sorts of mental health issues that come up. That seems very unprofessional to me, and I think some of what happens in these groups is very harmful and hurtful. I can no longer recommend to anyone that they send their child to Hyde; I think it's too risky.
I'm also concerned about the issue you raised that students' behavior problems are always viewed as an attitude problem. Now that I know that so many Hyde students have psychiatric problems I really question how appropriate the school's approach is. So many of these kids have trouble at Hyde because of their mental health issues. Maybe some don't, but many do. I really believe in addressing attitude issues when they're relevant. But at Hyde, as you said, it's "one size fits all." That seems to be a terrible way to run a school for struggling kids. Now I know why so many people leave the school or are unhappy with Hyde. Thanks for your insights.
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On 2006-01-08 14:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am both a Hyde graduate and former faculty member, having finished my teaching stint at Bath nearly ten years ago. I agree with many of your reactions about the "round peg in a square hole" syndrome. I often felt misunderstood and tortured both mentally and physically as a student. Nonetheless, I did believe that the school made me confront many of my insecurities and fears. Compared to Hyde, college was a breeze and after going to graduate school I accepted a teaching position at Hyde. Essentially, I did so hoping that I could make a difference in the lives of kids (and learn proper teaching techniques in the process).
In terms of the quality of academic instruction at Hyde, no one can claim that the school puts academics first. Although I did work alongside a few excellent educators, most were not well versed in their subject areas. Sadly, this did not make much of a difference since the schedule at Hyde was so "seminar" and "sports-centered" that there was little time to teach. Moreover, many of my colleagues looked forward to these scenarios so that they would not have to teach.
Hyde truly is not for everyone. Unfortunately, kids do not often get to make the decisions as to where they will attend school. Parents often put their sons or daughters in a place like Hyde because they want them "fixed". My recommendation for all prospective families is for you to do your homework. Ask good questions. If you want a strenuous academic environment, then Hyde may not be the place for you.
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The academics might be weak but I actually had trouble keeping up with my schoolwork because I was so tired all the time because of sports practices. Did anyone else have the same problem at Hyde? Before I get dismissed for griping about mandatory sports, Hyde's attitude was "it wasn't a good practice if nobody puked".There is something feeble and contemptible about a man who cannot face life without the help of comfortable myths.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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On 2005-09-21 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If they are present staffers, they wouldn't post. If they are former ones, they want to put the ugly mess behind them! Most staffers who leave Hyde want to forget they were ever there!!"
Well said.
While I understand and appreciate that many people -- including people whom I love and respect -- feel good about their life experience with Hyde, my own feelings about that experience are not pleasant. It's not pleasant to reflect on my own participation in activities that harmed, or might have harmed, others, particularly former students.
When I see that present and former students and parents are still reporting on this website the types of abusive and harmful behavior that I witnessed, experienced, and participated in many years ago as a staff member, I feel remorse for my own part in those activities. I also feel a need to assure those of you who were harmed by this behavior that, no, you're not crazy, there's not something wrong with you, it's not a personal character flaw on your part: you lived through a traumatic experience, your life experience is valid, your feelings have merit, and, in many cases, we adults did not serve you well.
I thank Lars, tommyfromhyde1, and the other unnamed intrepid souls who have created a forum here that gives people the opportunity to address these issues.
To those unnamed ones who mock people like Lars and tommyfromhyde1 for their "inability to put the past behind them," I ask that you take notice of the vehemence and force behind your reaction, and consider what exactly it is about their testimony that's making you so uncomfortable. Is it possible that, when you watch other people address this issue in their lives, it raises some scary questions within you about your own life? There's nothing wrong with that, because, after all, it _is_ scary, and I don't particularly like thinking about it; but don't take it out on them.
In the long run, this type of personal inquiry may prove to be of benefit to us all. Consider this article from http://www.telegraph.co.uk (http://www.telegraph.co.uk):
Clarke wants terrorists treated like victims of cult brainwashing
(Filed: 02/10/2005)
Charles Clarke is studying proposals to combat Islamic terrorist groups by treating them as religious cults.
The Home Secretary has told colleagues that anti-brainwashing techniques used to "deprogramme" cult members could be employed to fight the sort of fanaticism behind the July 7 bombings.
"What we know about other religious cults may offer some insight into how these men ended up behaving in this appalling way," he said last night.
He believes that there is no point in seeing extreme Islamists in the "classic" mould of revolutionaries fighting for a political cause. A closer parallel is with recruits to cults, who often come from educated backgrounds and are "brainwashed" into renouncing society.
One example, he said, was Mohammed Atta, the leader of the September 11 hijackers, who was an architecture graduate. Mohammed Sidique Khan, one of the London bombers, was a classroom assistant in Leeds and was married with a baby daughter.
The Home Secretary cited the work of Inform, an organisation specialising in cults, which emphasises the need to perceive how victims of brainwashing see their circumstances."
Former Hyde Staffer
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hey,
I would like to hear from some staffers involved in the Ed vs Joe war and the Stalinist purge apon Joes re enstatement.
Sid Smith
PS Sid Smith is not my real name
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On 2006-03-03 16:34:00, FHS wrote:
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On 2005-09-21 12:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If they are present staffers, they wouldn't post. If they are former ones, they want to put the ugly mess behind them! Most staffers who leave Hyde want to forget they were ever there!!"
Well said.
While I understand and appreciate that many people -- including people whom I love and respect -- feel good about their life experience with Hyde, my own feelings about that experience are not pleasant. It's not pleasant to reflect on my own participation in activities that harmed, or might have harmed, others, particularly former students.
When I see that present and former students and parents are still reporting on this website the types of abusive and harmful behavior that I witnessed, experienced, and participated in many years ago as a staff member, I feel remorse for my own part in those activities. I also feel a need to assure those of you who were harmed by this behavior that, no, you're not crazy, there's not something wrong with you, it's not a personal character flaw on your part: you lived through a traumatic experience, your life experience is valid, your feelings have merit, and, in many cases, we adults did not serve you well.
I thank Lars, tommyfromhyde1, and the other unnamed intrepid souls who have created a forum here that gives people the opportunity to address these issues.
To those unnamed ones who mock people like Lars and tommyfromhyde1 for their "inability to put the past behind them," I ask that you take notice of the vehemence and force behind your reaction, and consider what exactly it is about their testimony that's making you so uncomfortable. Is it possible that, when you watch other people address this issue in their lives, it raises some scary questions within you about your own life? There's nothing wrong with that, because, after all, it _is_ scary, and I don't particularly like thinking about it; but don't take it out on them.
In the long run, this type of personal inquiry may prove to be of benefit to us all. Consider this article from http://www.telegraph.co.uk (http://www.telegraph.co.uk):
Clarke wants terrorists treated like victims of cult brainwashing
(Filed: 02/10/2005)
Charles Clarke is studying proposals to combat Islamic terrorist groups by treating them as religious cults.
The Home Secretary has told colleagues that anti-brainwashing techniques used to "deprogramme" cult members could be employed to fight the sort of fanaticism behind the July 7 bombings.
"What we know about other religious cults may offer some insight into how these men ended up behaving in this appalling way," he said last night.
He believes that there is no point in seeing extreme Islamists in the "classic" mould of revolutionaries fighting for a political cause. A closer parallel is with recruits to cults, who often come from educated backgrounds and are "brainwashed" into renouncing society.
One example, he said, was Mohammed Atta, the leader of the September 11 hijackers, who was an architecture graduate. Mohammed Sidique Khan, one of the London bombers, was a classroom assistant in Leeds and was married with a baby daughter.
The Home Secretary cited the work of Inform, an organisation specialising in cults, which emphasises the need to perceive how victims of brainwashing see their circumstances."
Former Hyde Staffer"
I want to truly thank Former Hyde Staffer for helping to validate the traumatic time I had at Hyde. You helped me more than you know by getting an acknowlegement from someone who worked there. I appreciate your honesty and understand how easy it is to fall into the Hyde trap even as an adult staffer.
Would you mind telling us the reason you left Hyde?
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Thanks for the question; it's really made me think about this in a way I never had before.
I left my job at Hyde because, due to a combination of personal circumstances and the school's circumstances, it was a good time to move on.
The distance between Hyde and me has been growing ever
since. I have a gut feeling that something's fundamentally not right about the place, and, while that visceral reaction was quite faint while I was at Hyde, it has grown over time. It took me time to process what I experienced at Hyde. It also took life experience as a parent and school trustee to see that, when a school governing body hands too much power for too long to an entrenched school administration that is too convinced of its own wisdom, then some of the students in that school will likely encounter some soul crushing experiences in the course of their schooling.
Former Hyde Staffer
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Hey FHS,
when were you there?
Sid Smith
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On 2006-03-03 22:12:00, FHS wrote:
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Thanks for the question; it's really made me think about this in a way I never had before.
I left my job at Hyde because, due to a combination of personal circumstances and the school's circumstances, it was a good time to move on.
The distance between Hyde and me has been growing ever
since. I have a gut feeling that something's fundamentally not right about the place, and, while that visceral reaction was quite faint while I was at Hyde, it has grown over time. It took me time to process what I experienced at Hyde. It also took life experience as a parent and school trustee to see that, when a school governing body hands too much power for too long to an entrenched school administration that is too convinced of its own wisdom, then some of the students in that school will likely encounter some soul crushing experiences in the course of their schooling.
Former Hyde Staffer"
Thank you FHS for sharing your experiences. It is obvious that you are sincere. To me Hyde is a program dedicated to making as much money as possible. It is a closely held family corporation whose only interest is the bottom line. I challenge every one of you to check out Hyde's financial statements. If you don't come to the same conclusion I would truly be shocked.
The website to find this information on is, http://www.guidestar.com (http://www.guidestar.com). You can sign up without cost and then look at the IRS forms which gives a lot of info.
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170K a year with a bs in math from BU. Old Malcolm is doing pretty good. School provides housing in a nice place on High Street. Pretty sweet.
Sid
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Mal's degree is from Bowdoin and a MA from Harvard
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On 2006-03-04 15:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
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170K a year with a bs in math from BU. Old Malcolm is doing pretty good. School provides housing in a nice place on High Street. Pretty sweet.
Sid"
Hey Sid, the $170,000 is only for Malcolms role as head administrator. You then need to factor in his wife Laura's salary plus income from the books that each family is forced to purchase, income from renting the property to the school, as well as other income. Tack onto that all housing, food, transportation, etc for the entire family and I want to apply for the job. Only thing the Gauld's have to pay for is the clothing on their back. I bet even the old man's golfing is paid for by Hyde.
Did you take a look at the combined Travel and Entertainment expenses at both Bath and Woodstock?
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On 2006-03-05 04:12:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Mal's degree is from Bowdoin and a MA from Harvard"
Don't confuse Malcolm's MA from Harvard. Most anyone with a BA can get into this program. Big difference between this and being a "graduate of Harvard."
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Honestly I don't know that he graduated from BU. I know he was there. I used to run into him at bars. ... Maybe thats why he did not graduate.
Sid
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I missed that. The 300k for the fund raising consultants caught my eye though. Do you think Lennox is getting a cut of this?
Sid
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I noted the redlon road rental. I thought that was a receivable. Are you saying the house Joe is in is ownd by the Gauld's and the school is renting the propery from the Gaulds to house Joe? Man! I should have married Gigi.
Sid
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On 2006-03-05 15:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I noted the redlon road rental. I thought that was a receivable. Are you saying the house Joe is in is ownd by the Gauld's and the school is renting the propery from the Gaulds to house Joe? Man! I should have married Gigi.
Sid"
I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy! :lol: What a distressing contrast there is between the radiant intelligence of the child and the feeble mentality of the average adult.
-- Sigmund Freud
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I am sorry henry pushed you on the ice, but don't take it out on Gigi. I remeber her as a sweet little girl, although I am sure she has grown up now.
Sid Smith
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On 2006-03-06 13:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
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I am sorry henry pushed you on the ice, but don't take it out on Gigi. I remeber her as a sweet little girl, although I am sure she has grown up now.
Sid Smith"
Yes she has grown up like the rest of them! Gigi McMillan! They all live in that same bubble! Very sad.
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McMillian, Isn't he a Grand Potentate at one of the Hyde lodges?
Sid Smith