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General Interest => Open Free for All => Topic started by: Anonymous on September 09, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
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I have no faith the voters in the US will ever smarted up and stop electing Republicans!
Any ideas of what it would take?
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What makes you think we actually voted Repugnican in any of the last 4 elections?
I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves, it should be first those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others. Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.
--Abraham Lincoln
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Hmmm... I don't know: maybe Democrats with some actual ideas instead of vitriolic propaganda?
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On 2005-09-09 13:38:00, Antigen wrote:
"What makes you think we actually voted Repugnican in any of the last 4 elections?"
If you are referring to engineered or fixed
elections, then good point, very good point!
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On 2005-09-09 16:10:00, Mister Pink wrote:
"Hmmm... I don't know: maybe Democrats with some actual ideas instead of vitriolic propaganda?"
I think Clinton's eight years was very accomplished,
with many ideas that worked, and we where actually
paying back the deficit, with the respect and co-operation from the rest of the world.
Compare that to Bush, and I wonder why you ask for
ideas from the Democrats?
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On 2005-09-09 13:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I have no faith the voters in the US will ever smarted up and stop electing Republicans!
Any ideas of what it would take?
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A failed war. A failed hurricane response costing lives while playing guitar in san diego. Criminal cabinet members. Crumbling economy. High gas prices. Immigration run amok. Civil rights going down the drain.
Dubya is not a republican, he's a carefully managed puppet with a crafted public image. He's big money, he's a fraud. Him getting re-elected proved how many stupid people live in America I guess. Maybe the hurricane will change some minds down south. Bunch of flag waiving, bible thumping war mongers have a lot of force. Hate for islam and all, it's getting worse no better. They want a clash of civilizations, and we should never give it to them.
I am not tool of foreign policy. The citizens of the world need to realize we live under tyranny. Long live revolution. Long live freedom. Fuck diebold.
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It would take Democrats and Republicans switching names, but then it would just be the same people winning under a different name. Looks the majority of Americans like Republican values and ideas, you guys just lost in the free market of ideas, but then again, democrats dont like free markets.
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On 2005-09-09 20:28:00, OverLordd wrote:
but then again, democrats dont like free markets."
We don't like the ruse of state sponsored corporate capitalism masquerading as a free market, either.
Go lick Ayn Rand's nasty cooch, bourgie boy.
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On 2005-09-09 16:10:00, Mister Pink wrote:
"Hmmm... I don't know: maybe Democrats with some actual ideas instead of vitriolic propaganda?"
Democrats with vitriol? You must live in a fucking bubble, man. Why don't you educate yourself a little bit before making statements like this? Ever heard of "smashmouth politics"? Well it ain't Democrats.
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nbc6.net
Howard Dean Says Race Played Role In Katrina Death Toll
Democratic Party Chairman Speaks In South Florida
September 8, 2005
MIAMI -- Race was a factor in the rising death toll from Hurricane Katrina, Howard Dean told members of the National Baptist Convention of America on Wednesday at the group's annual meeting.
Howard Dean
Dean, Democratic party chairman, made the comments to the Baptists' Political and Social Justice Commission. The Baptist Convention has an estimated 3.5 million members representing 3,000 churches and is one of the largest black religious groups in the country.
"We must ... come to terms with the ugly truth that skin color, age and economics played a deadly role in who survived and who did not," Dean said.
Dean said Americans have a moral responsibility to not ignore the devastating effects of damage caused by Hurricane Katrina when it struck the Gulf Coast.
The former presidential candidate said the government will be judged on how it treats the old, the young and the poor.
"People are poor in different parts of the country. They are not refugees. They are Americans," he said.
Dean said that instead of considering proposed estate tax breaks, the Senate should channel the $760 billion savings into disaster relief funds.
"Shall we give that to the wealthiest people in the country, or should we rebuild New Orleans?" Dean said.
He also said the funds that now support the Iraq war could be used to reconstruct New Orleans or to aid the poor and elderly.
Dean urged the government to exempt victims of Hurricane Katrina from a stricter new bankruptcy law for one year.
"I hope Chairman Dean will match his rhetoric with his support for reforms that replace bureaucracy and entitlement with hope and opportunity," said Ken Mehlman, Dean's counterpart in the Republican National Committee.
Stephen J. Thurston, president of the Baptist Convention, said there was a lack of response and sensitivity by the government toward the Gulf Coast disaster.
Thurston's group and three other Baptist organizations representing 15 million churchgoers will hold a joint meeting in January 2008 before the next presidential election, Thurston said.
The Baptists intend to pursue an aggressive voter registration and participation campaign for 2008 Presidential election, Thurston said.
He said that had more blacks voted, the outcome of the 2004 election might have been different.
Commission member Joseph Richardson, Sr., of Broadview, Ill., agreed with Thurston.
"I think anyone would want leadership that relates to people's needs," Richardson said. "The mayor (of New Orleans) was crying out for five whole days."
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On 2005-09-10 04:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Go lick Ayn Rand's nasty cooch, bourgie boy."
LMFAO!
Doubt OL will get this one though. He sounds like a right wing talk radio personality. No offense or anything OL, it's just your politics are hilarious.
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Looking at the pure getting stuff side of things, that would rock. Radio talk hosts get so much free stuff it's not funny. Then again, I would take so much crap from you people it would not be funny either. I promise if I ever get a radio talk show, I'll name it OverLordd's Hour or something so you guys can call in and bash me.
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I think Hillary should be the next President.
I believe that is why that new tv show with
Geena Davis as president was created, to
condition the US for a women president!
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On 2005-09-11 02:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think Hillary should be the next President.
I believe that is why that new tv show with
Geena Davis as president was created, to
condition the US for a women president!"
I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw the preview for that show.
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To All My Fellow Americans Who Voted for George W. Bush:
On this, the fourth anniversary of 9/11, I'm just curious, how does it feel?
How does it feel to know that the man you elected to lead us after we were attacked went ahead and put a guy in charge of FEMA whose main qualification was that he ran horse shows?
That's right. Horse shows.
I really want to know -- and I ask you this in all sincerity and with all due respect -- how do you feel about the utter contempt Mr. Bush has shown for your safety? C'mon, give me just a moment of honesty. Don't start ranting on about how this disaster in New Orleans was the fault of one of the poorest cities in America. Put aside your hatred of Democrats and liberals and anyone with the last name of Clinton. Just look me in the eye and tell me our President did the right thing after 9/11 by naming a horse show runner as the top man to protect us in case of an emergency or catastrophe.
I want you to put aside your self-affixed label of Republican/conservative/born-again/capitalist/ditto-head/right-winger and just talk to me as an American, on the common ground we both call America.
Are we safer now than before 9/11? When you learn that behind the horse show runner, the #2 and #3 men in charge of emergency preparedness have zero experience in emergency preparedness, do you think we are safer?
When you look at Michael Chertoff, the head of Homeland Security, a man with little experience in national security, do you feel secure?
When men who never served in the military and have never seen young men die in battle send our young people off to war, do you think they know how to conduct a war? Do they know what it means to have your legs blown off for a threat that was never there?
Do you really believe that turning over important government services to private corporations has resulted in better services for the people?
Why do you hate our federal government so much? You have voted for politicians for the past 25 years whose main goal has been to de-fund the federal government. Do you think that cutting federal programs like FEMA and the Army Corps of Engineers has been good or bad for America? GOOD OR BAD?
With the nation's debt at an all-time high, do you think tax cuts for the rich are still a good idea? Will you give yours back so hundreds of thousands of homeless in New Orleans can have a home?
Do you believe in Jesus? Really? Didn't he say that we would be judged by how we treat the least among us? Hurricane Katrina came in and blew off the facade that we were a nation with liberty and justice for all. The wind howled and the water rose and what was revealed was that the poor in America shall be left to suffer and die while the President of the United States fiddles and tells them to eat cake.
That's not a joke. The day the hurricane hit and the levees broke, Mr. Bush, John McCain and their rich pals were stuffing themselves with cake. A full day after the levees broke (the same levees whose repair funding he had cut), Mr. Bush was playing a guitar some country singer gave him. All this while New Orleans sank under water.
It would take ANOTHER day before the President would do a flyover in his jumbo jet, peeking out the widow at the misery 2500 feet below him as he flew back to his second home in DC. It would then be TWO MORE DAYS before a trickle of federal aid and troops would arrive. This was no seven minutes in a sitting trance while children read "My Pet Goat" to him. This was FOUR DAYS of doing nothing other than saying "Brownie (FEMA director Michael Brown), you're doing a heck of a job!"
My Republican friends, does it bother you that we are the laughing stock of the world?
And on this sacred day of remembrance, do you think we honor or shame those who died on 9/11/01? If we learned nothing and find ourselves today every bit as vulnerable and unprepared as we were on that bright sunny morning, then did the 3,000 die in vain?
Our vulnerability is not just about dealing with terrorists or natural disasters. We are vulnerable and unsafe because we allow one in eight Americans to live in horrible poverty. We accept an education system where one in six children never graduate and most of those who do can't string a coherent sentence together. The middle class can't pay the mortgage or the hospital bills and 45 million have no health coverage whatsoever.
Are we safe? Do you really feel safe? You can only move so far out and build so many gated communities before the fruit of what you've sown will be crashing through your walls and demanding retribution. Do you really want to wait until that happens? Or is it your hope that if they are left alone long enough to soil themselves and shoot themselves and drown in the filth that fills the street that maybe the problem will somehow go away?
I know you know better. You gave the country and the world a man who wasn't up for the job and all he does is hire people who aren't up for the job. You did this to us, to the world, to the people of New Orleans. Please fix it. Bush is yours. And you know, for our peace and safety and security, this has to be fixed. What do you propose?
I have an idea, and it isn't a horse show.
Yours,
Michael Moore
http://www.michaelmoore.com (http://www.michaelmoore.com)
mmflint@aol.com