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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: CEDU 1974-75 on August 22, 2005, 08:51:00 PM
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Hey!!!!!Get a load of this!!This miserable bastard is a bonified member of A.A. in good standing.
Please Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5693 (http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=5693)
I stayed at this scumbags "recovery house" for almost two weeks,back in about the year 2001.Rumors abound that this guy is a date rapist,a mercenary preying on the gullibilty of unfortunates down on their luck,and a practicioner of scared straight,tough love,reefer madness bullshit...in the name of profit.I believe it!!
A fine reporter in Las Vegas has expressed some interest in this matter.Mr.Andrew Kiraly of Las Vegas writing for CITYLIFE magazine may be willing to "out" this guy as a member of A.A.
I need all the help I can get.
I will direct him to this website.
Please Help.This could be really big.I think if somebody starts holding A.A. accountable for the devastation it has wrought, it will make room for genuine educational developments.
PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE-PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not everybody understands just how detrimental,debilitating,ugly,hienous and stiltifing A.A. is on society at large.You guys can make this matter clear to a man that has already proven his brilliance in journalism.
Please Help![ This Message was edited by: CEDU 1974-75 on 2005-08-22 18:04 ]
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Maybe I missed it in the article but what exactly is AA?
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On 2005-08-22 18:51:00, puma046 wrote:
"Maybe I missed it in the article but what exactly is AA? "
I'm assuming the original poster meant alcoholics anonymous.
But that hasn't left me any less confused. Maybe I'm missing something. Like what outing him as a 12 stepper will accomplish, as opposed to the fact that he is a white supremacist, which should be enough in and of itself. "Not only is he a nazi, but he's also in AA!" Uh, I don't get it. I think the cult of white supremacy is a little more stigmatizing than the cult of Bill.
I'm obviously just not grasping this properly...
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Yea what does being in alcoholics anonymous have to do with being a white supremacist? I mean, if he's the principal of his local elementary school, then maybe we should be concerned. But an AA member?
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On 2005-08-22 17:51:00, CEDU 1974-75 wrote:
I think if somebody starts holding A.A. accountable for the devastation it has wrought, it will make room for genuine educational developments.
Either CEDU 74-75 is just insane or he's not talking about alcoholics anonymous.
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On 2005-08-22 17:51:00, CEDU 1974-75 wrote:
I stayed at this scumbags "recovery house" for almost two weeks,back in about the year 2001.
Evidently, he's not just a chronic meeting attendee, but is running a "recovery house". So he would be in a position of authority over vulnerable, desperate ppl and would be presented to them as the altruistic face of AA.A vote for GW is a vote for America's Führer.
--Anonymous (it's best that way...)
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Sure,I'm talking about Alcoholics Anonymous and yeah...maybe I,m a little crazy and I,m definately a lousy writer.So big deal...
The point I am trying to make is that there might be a media source willing to shatter the sleazy cloak of Alcoholics Anonymous request for anonymity at the public level.When has any press ever exposed someone as a member of Alcoholics Anonymous?I think if there was ever anyone whoever learned how to lead a supremecist cult in A.A. it's this guy.His involvement in A.A. is pertinant.And it justifies breaking the long standing agreement between the press and Alcoholics Anonymous.No one should be stigmatized for having a problem with alcohol or drugs but there should be a stigma for being attached to an abusive cult.
Remember this;if there had been no Alcoholics Anonymous,there would have been no Bud Deiderich and Synonon,no CEDU and none of the others.
Crack the anonymity barrier and the rest may fall of it's own accord.Lop off the head of the beast!
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Don't know whether you're right or not but it's an interesting theory
And I wouldn't know whether you're crazy or not but you are definitely not a bad writer---especially compared to some of the clowns who bashed you
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This guy is under investigation by the parole and probation department of Nevada.He has also attracted the attention of the FBI.
He has been getting a lot of ink lately as well as support for his White Peoples Party here in the state of Nevada-sometimes known as "the Mississippi of the west"
What little I know about him is that he got sober in AA at a very early age-probably his teens.I believe it would be possible to link his involvement in AA to his warped wanna-be cult guru interests at present.
It really won't surprise me at all to see some very serious charges leveled against him in the near future.It is a national issue and a great opportunity to drag Alcoholics Anonymous through the mud with him.
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It is a national issue and a great opportunity to drag Alcoholics Anonymous through the mud with him.
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That's what needs to happen to AA. It is a fucked up organization that has been infiltrating society and even the courts for far too long, playing the wolf in sheep's clothing game by presenting itself as a nonprofit, "spiritual, not religious" group that's only trying to help. Puh-leaze! The Stepcult is a breeding ground for kooks like that guy in the originally posted article. Although I generally disagree with guilt-by-association smear campaigns, I take a "by any means available" approach to AA/NA/Stepcult bullshit. The press needs to start outing these guys for the kookburgers they are.
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You guys are just a bunch of angry fools with way too much time on your hands. I have quite a few friends who would be in pretty rough shape if it hadn't been for AA. I don't know what kind of white trash pathetic states you all live in, but AA is a thousands times more beneficial at intervening in some pretty fucked up, alcohol related situations than it is in providing a breeding ground for your little dispute.
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On 2005-08-29 13:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
AA is a thousands times more beneficial at intervening in some pretty fucked up, alcohol related situations than it is in providing a breeding ground for your little dispute. "
AA/NA/12Stepcult has done far more damage to individuals and society than it has good. It is a dangerous cult that needs to be stopped by any and all means available.
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Nobody in the press seemed to recognize the importance-- it was very important-- of the involvement of Charles Manson in Alcoholics Anonymous.It was a crucial educational experience for the legendary murderer/psychopath/cult leader.He learned first hand, watching A.A. trusted servants use the important techniques of manipulation and control that Alcoholics Anonymous would perish without.These were techniques that he later employed in his murderous cult "family".
By the way.What "family"were you in at CEDU?I was in Eric Meltzer's.Yeah,I know...tough break.
If only Charles "Bud" Diederich hadn't learned the same brand of hate and lies.Now there is one bad ass cult leading freak.I'm sure I don't have to explain to you how many deaths can be laid at the doorstep of his cults.At least I hope I don't.It probably would have been nice if he had just hung on to his fucked-up alcohol related problems.
I'm happy for your friends,but take a closer look the next time you happen into A.A.The interactional dynamic can not be described without the term cult-like.
Michael O'Sullivan is an A.A. cultist and now the chairman of the largest politiclly recognized supremacist group in the country.This freak should not be underestimated and niether should the horrific influence of Alcoholics Anonymous.
By the way...this is just a guess...but I would say there are more White Supremacists in Nevada per capita than any state in America...They've been trying to move out the trailors to make room for highrise condominiums,that seems to be going pretty good.Clearing away racism and ignorance might take a little longer.
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I've always gone back and forth on the whole 12-step-being-a-cult thing.
As far as I'm concerned, whatever works for you to get you off drugs, more power to you. And I personally have known a lot of people who started off by getting sober with 12 step, then wised up and dropped the 12 step thing and stayed sober for the rest of their lives on their own. However, they give credit to 12 step at least getting them started. (But if they stayed there, I'm sure they would have started drinking or using again. Mainly because all you talk about in 12 step is using drugs and drinking and telling war stories!)
See, this is why I'm not sure if 12 step can fall into the category of a cult. Cults are really good at keeping most of their members. And while AA/NA etc. tote the line "keep coming back" their attrition rate (by their own last recorded numbers) is horrid. (It's around 95%. And remember, these are their OWN numbers.) That is a very unsuccessful cult!
What I don't like, however, is the institutionaliziation of the 12 step program. i.e. Go to jail or go to 12 step. And the fact that every single rehab in the country, for the most part, uses some form of 12 step ideology. That is total bullshit. It is extremely dangerous for our judicial and recovery system to believe in one way to solve the problems of alcohol and drug addiction and implement that into our drug rehab centers.
When I had to stop my habits, 12 step didn't work. It was too full of bullshit for me. I went to the meetings, I dealt with all the drama there, and the ridiculous meat market, and came to the conclusion that 12 step was only good for 2 things: getting laid and scoring drugs. I had to go with rational recovery, which thankfully, isn't a group, it's just a book. (A book that is banned by most rehabs, incidentally.) It also, by the way, totally slams 12 step, and does a very good job of doing so, and explaining why it doesn't work.
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One thing that really pisses me off about the anonymous people is that they tell me I have to stop drinking. I never had problems with alcohol, just drugs. Why the fsck do I have to stop drinking?
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On 2005-08-29 21:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"One thing that really pisses me off about the anonymous people is that they tell me I have to stop drinking. I never had problems with alcohol, just drugs. Why the fsck do I have to stop drinking?"
Yeah, that IS really annoying. When I was in 12 step, I made sure that I never did that to people. (Mainly because I never really felt that way or saw things that way. I didn't go around judging other people's drinking habits.) I was totally ok with other people drinking and doing drugs around me, too.
The way I see it, there's no way to tell *for sure* if someone else has a problem. They're the only ones who really know. Even if it's quite clear that another person may have a problem, it's none of your business. That's why I hate bullshit like interventions. The only way a person is going to quit using or drinking is if they want to. Someone else can't make them want to, or force them to. (And then the 12 step system contradicts itself by saying that "You have to do this for yourself and no one else!") What a load of crap.
It's fine if they keep to themselves, but once they start forcing their beliefs onto other people, that's when it gets annoying. That's why I hate the fact that 12 step has indoctrinated itself into our entire system of "recovery."
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On 2005-08-29 21:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
What I don't like, however, is the institutionaliziation of the 12 step program. i.e. Go to jail or go to 12 step. And the fact that every single rehab in the country, for the most part, uses some form of 12 step ideology. That is total bullshit. It is extremely dangerous for our judicial and recovery system to believe in one way to solve the problems of alcohol and drug addiction and implement that into our drug rehab centers.
When I had to stop my habits, 12 step didn't work. It was too full of bullshit for me. I went to the meetings, I dealt with all the drama there, and the ridiculous meat market, and came to the conclusion that 12 step was only good for 2 things: getting laid and scoring drugs. I had to go with rational recovery, which thankfully, isn't a group, it's just a book. (A book that is banned by most rehabs, incidentally.) It also, by the way, totally slams 12 step, and does a very good job of doing so, and explaining why it doesn't work."
I agree.
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This is absurd. People go to AA because they want to. If you're at AA and you're getting pissed because people are telling you to stop drinking, either...
1. You fucked up, got court-ordered there, and you might as well just shut the fuck up and thank god you're there instead of in the booty house getting your shit pushed in.
2. Some family member made you go, in which case just shutup and for once be cool with your family.
3. You're an idiot.
I'm putting most of my money on either 1 or 3. But you guys are out of control on these boards. Everything's a cult these days huh. Better keep your kids out of those after school programs. Those are all cults. Hope you blue collar mofo's aren't in any unions or anything. Those are definitely all cults. Shit man I'm a AAA member. Is that a cult too?
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Well, like I said in my previous post, AA is way too unsuccessful in keeping its numbers to be any kind of cult, anyway. I do feel that some of its doctrines are a bit on the zealous side, but that is also entirely contingent on what meeting you go to, and that is key. There is no centralized power structure calling the shots. Just a bunch of junkies and drunks drinking coffee and meeting in church basements.
But you contradicted yourself. You said that people went to AA because they wanted to, which I am fine and dandy with. But then you listed "you were court ordered to" as an example. Would that count as someone "wanting" to go to AA? No. That is someone being forced to go to AA. And actually, I know of people who have chosen 30 days in jail over 12 step, by the way. They came out and said they didn't regret their decision. Mainly because a lot of times, the jail sentence is a lot shorter than the AA sentence. (30 day jail sentence vs. 90 days of AA with 1 meeting a day, 5 days a week.)
This was my issue, the institutionalization of one method of recovery. (A method, I might add, that has proven to be unsuccessful time and time again, by AA's own numbers.) It has nothing to do with whether or not AA is a cult. It has to do with putting all of your eggs in one basket.
Would I myself choose jail? Hell no! I would just sleep through the meetings. But then again, I wouldn't let my addiction get so bad that I would get into it with the law to begin with.
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Where do you get any evidence that Manson was involved with A.A.? I'd think he'd be too smart for that ...
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I didn't contradict myself. You just weren't reading what I wrote correctly. I said that people go to AA because they want to, and there are really only 3 situations where someone is at AA but don't want to be; because of the courts, their family, or because they're stupid.
I thought of another cult for you guys to go chase down. Preschool! Man that is just a breeding ground for brainwashing, cult activities. Seriously, we gotta get Son of Serb and Shanlea and all the big guns on this one right away. With any luck we can rid this country of fingerpainting and freeze tag within the year.
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Yes,I realize it is difficult to clearly define the dissimilarities of finger painting,freeze tag and murder yet I believe it is important to try.
In much the same way I believe the similarities of a KKK hood and Alcoholics Anonymous sleazy anonymity should be examined.
Give me a crayon.
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Haha this is just getting out of hand. Sure, attack some aspect of AA if you have a problem with it. But you gotta keep it under control...people are coming on here and crying for the outright elimination of alcoholics anonymous because some jackass who ran a sober is also a racist pig. Seriously, what does he have to do with a bunch of recovering alcoholics trying to piece their lives back together in a church basement.
I guess I'm just taking a lot of offense to this whole thread because it's touching home. By no means do I support this white supremacist guy or anything he stands for. I think racism is just disgusting. But I also know a few good friends who owe a lot of who they are today to what AA brought to them. I also overcame a serious drinking problem, although I didn't bother with the AA route.
Do whatever it takes to bring this guy down! But let's not start attacking all of AA and all of the people doing some hard, very personal work within it.
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I meant "some jackass who ran a sober house" by the way.
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On 2005-08-31 07:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I didn't contradict myself. You just weren't reading what I wrote correctly. I said that people go to AA because they want to, and there are really only 3 situations where someone is at AA but don't want to be; because of the courts, their family, or because they're stupid. "
Oh ok, my mistake.
I'm still confused as to the relevance regarding the white supremacist and his AA tie-in. You can find AA meetings of almost any type. Race-specific, class-specific, hell's angels, gay, leather/SM, Christian fundamentalist, I'm sure there are white supremacist ones, too. In fact, I'd be willing to put down money that there are. There are lots of different types of kooky and non-kooky meetings out there. I still think that this guy's bigotry is more of the issue than the AA thing is.
Maybe because there are SO many different kinds of people who have come out of AA/NA, that it really doesn't matter. It's quite common for someone at some point to have had an experience with some sort of 12 step program if they have had a problem with addiction in their past. It's the natural first thing for most people to try when they want to quit, because it is so well known. (And because there really isn't anything else out there widely known about, besides doing it on your own.)
And as for the recovery house. That confuses me, too, because as far as I know, AA/NA don't "have" recovery houses, or associate themselves with them. Their style may be used in meetings in rehabs and in the recovery house, but I've never heard of an AA/NA recovery house. Is that new? Do they also have waffle houses?
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From what I know, these "recovery" houses, better known as "sober houses", are not actually run by AA. People who go to the same meetings connect with each other, and since a lot of them have really hit rock bottom, living situations for them are a pretty big priority. Quite a few are living on the streets, others are bunked up in overcrowded and dilapidated houses, some have just packed up and moved to a new town and are completely on their own, others still just kids looking to get out from under their parent's roof.
No matter the circumstances, these people meet at their respective AA meetings and go in on a lease together for a good sized home in a decent part of a city, and then just bunk up 1 or 2 to a room and commit to keeping each other sober. Once one of these places starts running smoothly, the people living there have a much better chance to get on their feet and get their shit straightened out. Eventually they find someone (usually new members of their meetings) to take over their spot in the house and share of rent, and they move on to bigger and better things.
It's not like AA trusted this racist guy to run a safehouse in the sense of the places cedu kids used to get sent when they were "unsafe" or had just gotten caught running away. If this guy had a sober house under his name, that was just between him and the people who wanted to live with him. AA really had nothing to do with it other than providing the forum for meeting.
These sober houses are lifesavers for the people that utilize them. It is a near impossibility to hold down a job when you don't have a home to go to at night. While these places get a little bit crowded and aren't the ideal place to live, they are crucial in helping some recovering alcoholics turn their lives around!
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The great mythological "If I drink I'm going to die" schmackdrabble."I know what will happen if I drink" bleh,bleh,bleh.
Without fear generating techniques and mindsets such as this the entire hierarchial structure of A.A. falls apart.When you need an influx of a hundred people in order to cull perhaps five members,it becomes imperative to produce as much fear as possible,so of course that's what they do.
If newcomers are the lifeblood of the program,experienced A.A. cultists are parasitic leeches, bloating with satisfaction at the prospect of enjoying someone else's misery and gleefully anticipating an opportunity to take control over somebody.
Brainwashing is an interesting phenomenom.Even though it is possible to reject the bulk of a programming regime, subtle fabrications such as these become entrenched in the victim's mind,and produce consequences consistant with the cults
warped desires.
Without fear,supremacist cults would cease to exist as well.
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Alcoholics Anonymous Must Die.
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You're both just stupid. There's really nothing else anyone can say to you. Except maybe, you're both complete idiots.
So this one fool who's been going off on AA throughout the entire thread, I'm gonna guess that he's one fucked up individual. His life sucked, he went to cedu, his life still sucked, he probably went to aa, his life still sucks to this day...see the pattern? This person is just a straight up miserable person, and I'm guessing he blames everyone in his past for that fact.
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I think the importance of the AA connection is that so many people seem to give other members the benefit of the doubt just because they're fellow members. So it's not a bad idea to remember, once in awhile, that just because someone identifies, even very strongly, w/ AA doesn't mean they're overall great folk. It doesn't mean they even hold the same notion of what AA is all about as you do.
It's like any other religious, racial or social bigotry. Many Christians assume all professing Christians must be the good folk. Then Pat Robertson goes and takes out a hit on the elected president of a friendly nation.
With soap, baptism is a good thing.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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On 2005-09-01 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
This person is just a straight up miserable person, and I'm guessing he blames everyone in his past for that fact.
But, of course, you'd only be guessing. I might just as well "guess" that your life is hollow w/o stepcraft and that's why you feel the need to so visciously and personally attack a critic of it. But I'd just be guessing too.
Personally, my life is great. My childhood was fucked up in a few important ways. And it had a lot to do w/ my family's involvement w/ another Synanon based program. So I think it's worthwhile to discuss that w/ people intererested in the topic and compare notes w/ others who might know wtf I'm talking about. I take it you don't, huh?I tried for years to live according to everyone else's morality.
I tried to live like everyone else, to be like everyone else.
I said the right things even when I felt and thought quite differently.
And the result is a catastrophe.
---Albert Camus
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Fortunately, no one asked you.
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Antigen you really gotta chill with the self righteous gig.
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That's when Antigen will settle down---don't you get it? All of this, her rants, the very existence of this site that makes her bread---it's about fleeing from the childhood demons she at least admits to.
Also the subsequent demons that she denies I think.
So get used to it, Antigen-Hyperbole is here to stay: not only does it lively-up the site and make her money that way but it keeps her from looking, really looking at her own life and trying to make some sense and congruity out of it
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:rofl: See?
...it is in fact nothing short of a miracle that the modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry; for this delicate little plant, aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom; without this it goes to wrack and ruin without fail.
--Albert Einstein
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You bet I see Ginger---the question is: why don't you?
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Antigen wrote:
"But, of course, you'd only be guessing. I might just as well "guess" that your life is hollow w/o stepcraft and that's why you feel the need to so visciously and personally attack a critic of it."
Antigen sees things just fine, and she hit the nail the head with her description of the above anon.
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On 2005-09-01 18:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"That's when Antigen will settle down---don't you get it? All of this, her rants, the very existence of this site that makes her bread---it's about fleeing from the childhood demons she at least admits to.
Also the subsequent demons that she denies I think.
So get used to it, Antigen-Hyperbole is here to stay: not only does it lively-up the site and make her money that way but it keeps her from looking, really looking at her own life and trying to make some sense and congruity out of it"
I definately agree that this idiot's life is hollow. It must be since he has nothing better to do with himself than post fabricated bullshit stories about total strangers on the internet.
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THUS HATH THE BLADE BEEN UNSHEATHED
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No kidding??
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Well I know for a fact you guys just grouped 2 different anon's together as one and then tried to make statements about their lives based on the fact that it was one person. However, seeing as how it was obviously at least TWO people, the foundation of your entire attack pretty much just fell out. And in reading back through the posts, it looks as if there were at least three different anon's that you guys just bashed as one person.
How the hell did a debate over AA and white supremacy turn into such a pointless little argument? Then again, just about every thread on this site that exceeds 2 pages seems to be like that as well. Another reason for everyone to just stop posting here and go get laid.
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Well yes, but they're all spewing the same dogma in very similar dialects. Who can blame the ininitiated for mistaking them for a single person?
Life is like a bird, at any given moment it is droping a load. It is only a matter of time before one eventually find you.
SysAdmin
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On 2005-09-02 11:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
I definately agree that this idiot's life is hollow. It must be since he has nothing better to do with himself than post fabricated bullshit stories about total strangers on the internet.
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Well, here's the thing. I really was being sarcastic. Though critical thinking and discussion of stepcraft obviously touched some nerves here, I'm sure as much rain has fallen into these people's lives as any of us.
As to the issue of time well spent, well none of us have anything better to do than what we're doing at any particular time. That the discussion around here so often and so quickly devolves into name calling and character assasination shouldn't come as any big surprise to anybody. When all you got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
And this, imo, really illustrates one of the prime issues under discussion; WTF are these much vaunted "tools" and can any of the advocates and salesmen demonstrate proper application?
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
--Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
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A couple of lines from a couple of different songs seem appropriate to me at this juncture of our debate.
First Parry Farrell of Jane's Addiction:
She takes a swing that she can't hit.She don't mean no harm,she just don't know what else to do about it.
And then Pete Townsend of The Who:
But my dreams,they aren't as empty as my conscience seems to be.I have hours only lonley.My love is vengance that's never free.
I probably knew that attempting to help dismantle the barriers seperating the truth from the lie and abomination that is Alcoholics Anonymous'stanglehold on contemporary thought regarding the treatment and care of individuals experiencing difficulties with societies reaction to their behavior by pointing out that Michael O'Sullivan is a racict and an A.A. member
would be a rediculous folly.But whaddyagonna do?In a world where a war on drugs shatters thousands of non-threatening lives a year...In a world where teenagers are subjected to grotesque constructions of demented psychologies...In a world growing increasing uglier and meaner by the day...In a world of conniving,frightened sickness and otherwise well-intentioned people duped into greater and greater abuses in the name of "tough love",I thought this might be a good time to raise a ruckus.If a politician has to identify his religion or an illness is fair game for public discussion,so is A.A. involvement.No longer can we allow A.A. to operate behind the scenes.
If you had seen as many atrocities as I have in A.A.your heart would probably ache a little bit too.I've seen too many inebriated people beaten,too many families,friendships and relationships broken in the name of "making A.A. the most important thing in your life",too much "NAZI" sobriety producing a bizzare cookie-cutter metality of learned helplessness and way too much hate.
Does that make me miserable?You're fuckin'A skippy............
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On 2005-09-03 15:51:00, CEDU 1974-75 wrote:
"If you had seen as many atrocities as I have in A.A.your heart would probably ache a little bit too.I've seen too many inebriated people beaten,too many families,friendships and relationships broken in the name of "making A.A. the most important thing in your life",too much "NAZI" sobriety producing a bizzare cookie-cutter metality of learned helplessness and way too much hate.
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Ok, now you're just calling the AA mentality nazis, right? So now this white supremacist guy has nothing to do with it anymore, it's the AA ideology that is the nazi?
I am so sick of people comparing every little thing they don't like or find too extreme to the nazis. The nazis worked too hard to be compared to every lame-assed self-help program or milquetoast politician. These guys were crazy genocidal bastards for fucks sake!
And for another thing... the nazis knew how to dress. I never met a snappy dresser in an AA/NA meeting back when I went to those things. Maybe I was just going to the wrong meetings... If they had SS uniform meetings, maybe I would have stayed in 12 step for the sheer lust and fetish factor.
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aa is no more racist than your local high school. in fact, your local high school is probably far more racist than aa. so according to your logic, it would be beneficial to our nation to wipe out high school education? because in essence, it's just as big a "breeding ground" for racism as aa is.
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On 2005-09-04 10:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
"aa is no more racist than your local high school. in fact, your local high school is probably far more racist than aa. so according to your logic, it would be beneficial to our nation to wipe out high school education? because in essence, it's just as big a "breeding ground" for racism as aa is. "
Not only racism, but ageism and other really bad habits. I would tend to agree. We should eliminate the NEA and DOE, shut down the government folk school system
Here's a good read on that.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/8p.htm (http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/8p.htm)
Ministers say that they teach charity. That is natural. They live on hand-outs. All beggars teach that others should give.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer
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Clancy Imaslan of the "Pacific Group"in Los Angelos, California coined the term "nazi sobriety" in the 80's to encourage a type of unquestioning adherance to his warped vision of what aa should be.His self serving success is a testament to the type of cultism aa is becoming recognized for.
Nothing should really be compared to Hitler and the nazis(except for Sean Hannity,of course).
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Don't forget the creator of Alcoholics Anonymous,Frank Buchman publicly supported Adolph Hitler.
http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-secrets.html (http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-secrets.html)
Check item 3
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AA/NA/Stepcraft-of-all-types must go.
I do my part, putting liquor and LSD in their coffee pots at their meetings. I'm a relapse and I'm comin' for you, Stepper! ::cheers:: :skull:
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On 2005-09-06 12:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
Nothing should really be compared to Hitler and the nazis
No, I think that's a mistake. The Nazis took over the hearts and minds and political will of the German people by way of certain pretty well known techniques and maneuvers. I think, unless you think it should happen again and again, it's absolutely imperative that we many things to Hitler and the Nazis wherever apropriate.
There's only one party on Capital Hill and it's the bipartisan spending party.
Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste
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On 2005-09-06 12:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"AA/NA/Stepcraft-of-all-types must go.
I do my part, putting liquor and LSD in their coffee pots at their meetings. I'm a relapse and I'm comin' for you, Stepper! ::cheers:: :skull: "
hahahaha. fuck aa. that other thread's title would be perfect for this thread as well. "drink a brewski and shut the fuck up".
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AA/NA= ridiculous, yes. Effective cult, no.
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They're a type of cult. Granted they aren't David Koresh out on a Waco compound but they have a cult mentality. If you're not in "the program" then you're either an evil user/drinker or some evil normie.