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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: OverLordd on August 21, 2005, 06:15:00 PM
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I want to get an idea of how much people are angry. How many of you have fantasised about causing physical harm to a person in the industry. How many of you would if you could? How many of you would have that bravery to pull that trigger, slit that artery, continue that beating, keep on choaking. I have had a very bad day today after trying to orginize some inspections, I basicly got verbally spit on. And I got really really angry at the blind industry people. How many people here would want to do that? How many parents whos kids have been taken from them, or harmed by a program? How many of you would cause physical harm to a person in the industry?
I find it nessasary to edit this because apprently people seem to think that I want this. Its a question people, to find out what you think, it has no reflection on how I feel.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-08-23 09:22 ]
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Evidently, very few are actually willing to harm anyone but themselves behind this shit. I know of a couple of patricides and a lot of suicides. But, so far as I know, no one has ever actually gone after the perps w/ anything more serious than a pack of lawyers.
Think about it? Sure. Fantasize? No doubt. I have a standing date w/ at least a couple of friends to attend Virgil's funeral. Personally, I just want to see who shows and how they present. I have no wish to disrupt it. But after the crowd goes home to Stepford, I fully intend to honor Virgil by pouring upon his fresh grave a full bottle of the finest Irish whiskey. After running it through my own system to ensure quality and purity, of course!
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid
of the dark. The real tragedy of life is
when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
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On 2005-08-21 15:15:00, OverLordd wrote:
"I want to get an idea of how much people are angry. How many of you have fantasised about causing physical harm to a person in the industry. How many of you would if you could? How many of you would have that bravery to pull that trigger, slit that artery, continue that beating, keep on choaking. I have had a very bad day today after trying to orginize some inspections, I basicly got verbally spit on. And I got really really angry at the blind industry people. How many people here would want to do that? How many parents whos kids have been taken from them, or harmed by a program? How many of you would cause physical harm to a person in the industry?"
Bravery? You are crazy man. I don't kill people because I'm not the same kind of scum that enjoy working for programs. I am not sadistic. They kill kids, and beat most of them. Would would killing them solve? Besides wasting the rest of your own life. Personally, being locked up as a teenager made me appreciate my freedom more.. and to go kill someone and go to jail isn't exactly at the top of my list of things to do. Plus, they'd play it like you are an out of control teen killing the 'poor therapist' who tried to help you. You will only help their business. SO.. me in jail, and they make more money. Plus I have to deal with any mental anguish from watching someone die at my own hands... HMMM.. real toughie there. Overlord.. you are crazy. You really are.
Fantasizing about hurting someone is one thing.. but for someone who was never even in a program.. you sure talk a lot about killing people. Heck, join the marines.. they'll let you kill as many people as you want. :tup:
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No, I wouldn't physically harm them. I would like to have a few words, though. Then I would laugh at them, cause they are such ignorant hick losers.
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He is already halfway there Anon, he enrolled in ROTC at North Georgia College where he is a freshman. Perfect candidate dontcha think?
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::bangin::
I find this repulsive. Come on, think about it. It's statements like this that cause people to not give credibility to this forum. When they come on here and read things like Overlord wrote about killing people, well, just how credible does it sound?
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I would think that is one post I'd remove, if I were you Ginger. I know you don't like to do it but it seems a bit out there. Way out there, actually.
As far as I'm concerned, three people who I love dearly were in programs. All siblings, all kids I saw grow up and who I was very close to. Disappeared all at different times. Once I found out where they were sent and what happened to them I got involved and have been ever since.
This whole industry repulses me, makes me sick, and I want to do all that I can to help the cause. But I have never even once considered killing or hurting anyone. Just like I wouldn't want them to start coming after those of us who are trying to help the cause to kill us. I don't even like the idea that someone would openly tell us they not only consider it but act like he hopes we will too.
The fact of the matter is that hurting or killing others is not the answer to solving a problem. Strategy and being united are. We seem to be lacking both, something I would like to see change. So many people fight and argue amongst themselves, I've watched it for a very long time. And I hear about it from others. A lot of people are really getting disgusted by it. It's very easy to see why we have not made more headway.
I know this sounds a bit cliche, but why can't we all get along?
Overlord, I would suggest when you are having a bad day you hold off actually posting anything here. A lot of what you had to say made no sense at all.
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Don't you think you've taken this a bit too far, Overlord?
Quote: How many of you would have that bravery to pull that trigger, slit that artery, continue that beating, keep on choaking.
You're talking about doing this to industry folks. Hey, we are all angry with them and wnat to see justice done, but I doubt you'll find too many here who will say they would consider killing them.
Where do you come up with things like this? Slit that artery? Wow, I really don't think you're going to have a following, Overlord. This is really sick and demented.
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Look, thats the reality of killing people, it sucks like that. People don't like the idea of killing people, and thats a good thing. I dont enjoy the idea of killing a person, but I wanted to know who would cause physical harm to a person. It was a question, and has no reflection on what I realisticly want. I wanted to know how you guys felt, and apprently I have been shown, unless someone else feels diffrently and would like to post.
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The differance between rational and irrational is acting upon your anger fantasies.
Hurting others who have hurt you gives them the power. You will have lost your power to the evil they perpetrate.
Same goes with self destruction through drug abuse of ones self. IMO. They win and will say "see the kids are liars and deserved to be locked up."
Dont give away your power to the evil perpetrators.... PRAY.
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On 2005-08-21 18:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I would think that is one post I'd remove, if I were you Ginger. I know you don't like to do it but it seems a bit out there. Way out there, actually.
I suppose I'm just not afraid of thoughts. Even ones that are way out there. And it's not asif OL originated the concept. Industry people are always going on about how scary and dangerous anti-program people are. But there's no basis for that fear. We hurl words and documents, accusations and hard questions. They call cops and lawyers and hire security personnel. Occasionally, ppl used to throw bottles and rocks at the outside of a Program building. But, as far as I know (and I think I would have heard something by now) no program client ever actually has done violence in retribution for what was done to them.
Here's an entertaining story about how that works out.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... rt=0#18413 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2862&forum=7&start=0#18413)They serve so that we don't have to. They offer to give up their lives so that we can be free. It is, remarkably, their gift to us. And all they ask for in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. Will they ever trust us again?
Michael More
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It would make a entertaining movie action title.
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Thanks for proving you're a f-ing idiot! Overlord" just the name should tell you he is out there. How can you guys ever be credible with people like overlord on your side.
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Thanks for proving you're a f-ing idiot! Overlord" just the name should tell you he is out there. How can you guys ever be credible with people like overlord on your side.
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Thanks for proving you're a f-ing idiot! Overlord" just the name should tell you he is out there. How can you guys ever be credible with people like overlord on your side.
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wait... im the f-ing idiot and you post three times... :rofl:
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OL- you have messed up this time. Wait until your friends over on ST get a load of this. You'll be banned from there. You are over the top now. Go shine your boots and polish your gun and get off of the internet.
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Don't worry, ROTC will keep him VERY busy this fall. He won't have much free time to post.
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:wave: :wave: :wave: Bye overidiot
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You people seem to miss the point that this was a question to see how other people felt. Its not how I feel. You people dont seem to read the posts enough. Oh, and dont worry, I will have plenty of time indeed to hammer on you anons that dont have the guts to get a log on and talk with your name out there.
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And another thing, as I look around I see one person, and one person alone bitching at me, the famous anon. I mean come on, if you really dont like what I ask, then log in and say it. Three Springs added something to the converstion, Antigen did, and every one that logged in really seemed to accutally have something to add. The anons just called me crazy, and were unable to know the differance between a statement and a question.
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maybe not much is being added because what you have to say isnt worth adding to...
but you'll have to ask them. You were pretty graphic in your post. In my years of working in programs Ive been told a lot of things but not that someone wished I was dead or that someone would consider killing me. That kind of hatred isnt productive and most folks know it.
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I hate to break this to you son, but, there is more than one Anonymous person posting. I am only one of them. From what I can tell, there are at least 4.
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Yap, I'm another. And I do think you were over the top, way over the top, OL. We did read your post, maybe you should read it again objectively to see how you sounded that day.
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Here's what you wrote, and why people are up in arms about it:
QUOTE: I want to get an idea of how much people are angry. How many of you have fantasised about causing physical harm to a person in the industry. How many of you would if you could? How many of you would have that bravery to pull that trigger, slit that artery, continue that beating, keep on choaking.
OK, you are asking questions. But they are suggestive, and they make the reader feel as though you feel that way yourself. How many would have the bravery to pull the trigger, slit that artery, continue that beating, keep on choaking - those are not exactly questions most normal people would ask of others.
Then you said:
I have had a very bad day today after trying to orginize some inspections, I basicly got verbally spit on. OL, what the hell are you talking about? What inspections, and who verbally spit on you? This made you sound a bit out there as well.
And then you said:
And I got really really angry at the blind industry people. How many people here would want to do that? OL, you say you got really, really angry at the blind industry people, and then you ask how many people would do that (slit the artery, etc.) - very much sounds like you would be willing and able and that you are looking for others to join you. Disgusting, if you ask me (and others.)
Then you say:
How many parents whos kids have been taken from them, or harmed by a program? How many of you would cause physical harm to a person in the industry? OL, it's not the answer. Why even ask?
And you need to know that people post anonymously because they don't want their identy revealed on a forum where they know darn well that industry people read and post on daily. It's not hard to figure that one out. And if they don't want a log in name where people can go back and track all of their posts, then so be it too. Why would they? Besides, you're not giving us your real name. I doubt others call you "OverLord".
Just another perspective from another anon.
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Overlordd IS NO MORE over on the struggling teens site. No posts lately? Gee-what could have happened? Did someone see your psychotic post over here?
Another Anon
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Nope, I said a mother and father were abusing their child as they sat on, her I think it was, or maybe a him anyway, they sat on him/her, and I believe that to be child abuse.
And apprently you cant say things like that to parents, anyway, its more of a supsention than anything else.
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It is obvious that he is young and idealistic, albeit a fool. I admire idealism, but detest fools. He has no real world, first hand knowledge of the programs. He?s never been to one, ever visited one, never worked at one. In a court of law his statements would be dismissed as hearsay. Not to mention that some of his statements could be seen as conveying a terrorist threat. I?m sure that he will make a fine supply officer. :lol:
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I did compare it to rape, but I also said it was abusive.
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Foolish? Or just old fashioned? I can remember the day when, in frustrated anger, just anybody might say something like "I could strangle you!" or "Your dad's gonna kill you!" w/o anybody calling out the anti-terrorist task force of CYS. My, my, how times have changed.
The real irony here is that, quite often, these LGA/Synanon style programs induce intense anxiety, up to and including fear of death or even actual life threatening conditions in the the breaking down phase of "treatment." But just you go and suggest that some of their victims might occasionally think about doing them violence in some theoretical way and, oh my! Do they get bent out of shape over that!
Here's a clue for you folks. When your kid gets wind of your plans to send them of, especially if the get the news from a couple of hired thugs who show up in their bedroom one night, it's far worse than a carelessly stated threat of violence. OL is just venting frustration, maybe looking for some validation. You bastards, on the other hand, actually risk your kids' lives and welbeing by turning them over to lunatic hippies w/o question or any sort of supervision.
Some people can dish it out but just can't take it.
My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
-- Ashleigh Brilliant
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What do you mean by acually introducing life threatening situations, like what I mean?
And What is CYS?
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On 2005-08-22 14:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I hate to break this to you son, but, there is more than one Anonymous person posting. I am only one of them. From what I can tell, there are at least 4."
yeah, there's karen, karen, karen and karen. your a fucking joke, lady.
unemployed "lawyers" (more like "wannabe lawyers) are even more pathetic than employed ones. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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On 2005-08-23 12:27:00, OverLordd wrote:
"What do you mean by acually introducing life threatening situations, like what I mean?
And What is CYS?"
Like, ferinstance, asphyxiation due to improper and unwarranted restraint, death due to medical neglect or extreme exhaustion and dehydration and other causes.
I'm not being expansive here. These things happen. They're documented. If anybody wants to rant about it, rant to the various coroners who have laid those charges, not me.
CYS is Children and Youth Services. I meant it generically, as CPS = Child Protective Services.Faith means not wanting to know what is true.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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I don't know Overlord, but I'd trust him with my kid any day before I'd be stupid enough to enroll my kid at Whitmore Acadmey AGAIN!!!!!
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Now I know what CPS is, thanks for explaning
Any way, I'm a scout leader, I'm trusted with 40 plus kids on a weekly bases and none of them have ever gotten hurt. :grin: Karen is a ok person, she was never really that mean to me, so I dont think that was her.
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I am the Anon who posted below and I am not Karen. Karen actually has defended Overlordd.
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My name is not Karen. I don't know the person Karen that you are referring to, but I have seen the posts talking about her. I don't even live in her state. I also didn't know they allowed 18 year olds to be scout "leaders". You just graduated high school. Do you mean you were an assistant leader?
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As a youth I was a Senior Patrol Leader, which is the highest leadership position for youth. I was responsible for the trainning, leadership, and camp outs. I was also responsible for the safty and well being of the scouts as well as makeing sure they had fun. Now I am an Assistant Scout Master, who is still considered a leader, but not "The leader" You know?
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"unemployed "lawyers" (more like "wannabe lawyers) are even more pathetic than employed ones."
If this is referring to Karen, you missed the mark a little bit. I wish I were "unemployed" like she is! Her company relocated, she got a great severance and is being paid for not working.
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So OL, what would the BSA, or your community college in Georgia, or the military think of your posts? Youve got an anger management problem and people are frightened by that. It's not surprising that programs tell you to get lost. You come across as a flake and have no credibility. I wouldnt want someone like you watching out for the safety of my kids on a camping trip. If no one has ever gooten hurt on one for your trips it's just by chance.
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I know for a fact my BSA scoutmaster would find it amusing and something I would say. The guys at north geogria most likely would not care because they would realise its a question and has nothing to do with the way I feel.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-08-23 16:01 ][ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-08-23 19:02 ]
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How can you be a current assistant scout master when you are away at college? College started last week. Are you an assistant scout master in the same town as your college or something?
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Guess no one's going to answer your question OL.
I surely wouldn't want to physically hurt anyone. But I'd sure like to see a bunch of parents take the GROUP OF LEADERS of the "BRAT CAMP" on ABC out on a wilderness "retreat" and just see how well THEY would hold up to the SAME treatment they dished out to those poor kids! Have those LEADERS do a bit of "therapy" where they have to discuss their own deeply-held secrets on public TV. Be scared to death, and call it "finding yourself." Bet a few of THEM would cry like babies too. NOW THAT MIGHT BE FUN!
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How can you be a current assistant scout master when you are away at college?
I'm registered as a ASM.
And to the anon above me I say that is indeed a good idea!
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So what qualifications do you need to be an assistant scoutmaster?
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No criminal record, no drugs, stuff like that.
There is other trainning you are recomended to take, a load of it infact, I will be taking it as soon as I can.
Two that come to mind off the top of my head is
Climb on safey trainning
Safe swim trainning
Climbing and swimming.
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You dont list any sort of first aid. What training have you had that qualifys you to take care of other peoples children? Youve brought this up regarding wilderness therapy instructors and you should be able to provide the same level of safety for your charges. So what qualifies you to have children in your care?
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You dont list any sort of first aid.
I did not list it because I already have first aid trainning.
And after TSW comment I'm sure every one on this topic feels like ::bangin:: I have a few things to ask.
Have you ever planned doing a GBD on a staffer?
A what?
And damn it you better get the NRA quals for rifle range shooting so you can run the Rifle Shooting Merit badge I did that for three years at a boy scout camp in Washington State and I loved it. Though nearly getting my head blown off by a scared cub scout sucked, but them things happen on occasion.
I was thinking about it, but doing the rilfe shit takes alot of extrat work, you have to clean the guns, secure the ammo, well you know the drill, but the shooting merit badges don't seem to be that fun for the people in charge because they can never shoot you know. They are always running the range.
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GBD group beat down
wouldent that be considered assault? Or was it never reported? :???:
Anyway, about the rest of your post.
When ever I saw the instructer he never seemed to have any fun, and he never seemed to be shooting, then again he was 40 something so he would not enjoy bars and just having fun like younger kids.
Anyway, its good to hear its easyer than it seems.
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In the scouts I learned a respect for firearms, and it always bothered me when I got a gun loaded or not, pointed in my direction. but if I ever do run the range I will remember what you said, I bet we can make it a hoot. And still safe of course! :grin:
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Overlord speaks for no one other than himself.
Who gives anyone else the right to speak for them?
I never did.
OL: You seem to contradict yourself a lot. Aren't you a 'southern christian' baptist of whatever you call yourselves? Don't you have rules about not killing people? Aren't you worried about going to your 'hell'? I dont even know what to say to you, you are so crazy its funny. Like, I literally laugh out loud when I read some of your posts. I guess my question is, are you being serious when you post all the time... of is it just more of casual laughable conversation starter. I'm just trying to get some perspective. You are an 'interesting' fellow.
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I am a boy scout AND I know how to use matchs and stuff. Enuff sed, dont ya think?
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Overlord you are sooooooo fucking hot. Caught the pic of you on the other thread. A gamer wearing zubaz. Awesome. I popped a load in my trousers.
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On 2005-08-24 16:01:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Overlord you are sooooooo fucking hot. Caught the pic of you on the other thread. A gamer wearing zubaz. Awesome. I popped a load in my trousers."
wish I could have been there man! you could have popped it on my face.. i fuggin love that. give me a ring.. ill stroke ya anytime. :tup:
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Wow I wanna see the hot pic too..... where do I go?
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Wow... Grow the fuck up, I mean thats really sad... making a login like mine.
Who gives anyone else the right to speak for them?
I never did.
Yeah, well I bet you did not vote and you bitch about bush to, your a anon, people might listen to you if you signed your posts or got a log in.
Aren't you a 'southern christian' baptist of whatever you call yourselves? Don't you have rules about not killing people?
We haave rules about not mudering people, there is a differance, but I dont really think I have ever killed any one to my knowledge.
I guess my question is, are you being serious when you post all the time... of is it just more of casual laughable conversation starter. I'm just trying to get some perspective. You are an 'interesting' fellow.
but moving on to the question in your post, yeah alot of what I say is ment to be funny, I am indeed not always serious. Some of my stuff is for shock value to get people to pay attention, and some of it is crazy radical shit, because if you say more than you want, then tone it down and make it look like a compromise your more likely to get what you want.
If you catch me saying something that is so far out there, its generally one of two things.
1. Its to get people to look at it and start talking about it, if they bash me for what I said or not, its ok, but they start talking about what I brought up.
2. I'm venting. Every one needs to vent every now and again. If I just say something insane and have no support, then im venting.
This topic starter was alittle bit of both mixed together, with the question added in because I wanted to know what people thought.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-08-24 16:42 ]
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Go to let it bleed under open discusions. Gamer dude with zubaz
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And then the how to give a better blowjob thread
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:eek: Shocking TSW.
Drinking yourself to bed tonight again?