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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Hyde Schools => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 17, 2005, 12:29:00 PM
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Ingeborg Lauterstein's new novel shines a light on the "fix my teen" industry, which Hyde and other schools fall into. She is my mother and I survived Hyde School back in the mid-80's. This was right when Gauld came back and took the school over. While some of the problems that Gauld saw in society and education were very real, the "tough love" approach his schools use do not always work. In my case, Gauld made sure that I was out of his school and could not graduate. This all happened close to the end of the school year. As a direct result of his efforts, my choices in college were limited and my entire life since has been impacted. I am not making this up. It turns out that a brand name education, followed by that all important first and second jobs affects your future a lot more than anything Gauld could ever offer in terms of character. It took years and years, but now at 38 I finally get paid an o.k. wage, but only on a freelance basis. Of course the novel is about a lot more than these brainwashing centers that pass themselves off as schools, it's about family and what that means and it is funny, maybe too funny for my tastes.
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Just because you couldn't cut it doesn't mean it's not a good school. For every disfunctional loser like you, there's 100 kids that Hyde has worked for and who are now making a good wage after attending a good college.
Get an existance...PLEASE!
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Just because you couldn't cut it doesn't mean it's not a good school. For every disfunctional loser like you, there's 100 kids that Hyde has worked for and who are now making a good wage after attending a good college.
Get an existance...PLEASE!
I think you have it wrong babe! It is more of the norm that for every 100 students, one might do well and have a positive experience at Hyde!! This is not "Hyde bashing" this is "truth over harmony." Why is there such a high turnover of teachers every year at Hyde? Why does Hyde accept most of the students who apply? Why is there such an emphasis on fundraising from both the students and parents? Has anyone done a Dunn and Bradstreet on Hyde? Try it and you will see who benefits from Hyde!! A little hint! It is not the students!
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In my reasonably extensive experience with Hyde, the one thing I saw that they promised parents they were NOT about was being a fix-my-kid school. I regularly saw Hyde tell parents, if you think this is just about the kid, then you are at the wrong school. And I saw them reject applicants on that basis. I even saw them eject teachers on that basis.
And you know what, there was a time when I was refused admittance to Hyde because my parents....WHO WERE TOTALLY WILLING TO PAY THE MONEY....won't take part in the process. They wanted me fixed, and Hyde said, um, no, sorry, we don't work that way, because that way doesn't work.
I should also point out you jumped from making a point that a new book is about Hyde....to "Gauld made sure that I was out of his school and could not graduate" kind of skips over some minor details.
I saw a lot of stuff go down at Hyde, and while I may not know you or your specifics, I never saw a situation rise to your level that wasn't justified.
So the real question is, who are you? Once we know that, we can get some informed opinions about why you and Hyde didn't get along, and then parents can make an assessment on the facts.
Which even if true, without a lot more factual info, may or may not have had a relationship to why you aren't getting paid what you think you deserve.
Anyway, bling Hyde for your life 20 years later, well, you should hear how absurd you sound. (first job, blah blah, second job, blah blah). Good God man, get a grip. Stop blaming others for your life and your problems.
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On 2005-10-05 03:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"In my reasonably extensive experience with Hyde, the one thing I saw that they promised parents they were NOT about was being a fix-my-kid school. I regularly saw Hyde tell parents, if you think this is just about the kid, then you are at the wrong school. And I saw them reject applicants on that basis. I even saw them eject teachers on that basis.
And you know what, there was a time when I was refused admittance to Hyde because my parents....WHO WERE TOTALLY WILLING TO PAY THE MONEY....won't take part in the process. They wanted me fixed, and Hyde said, um, no, sorry, we don't work that way, because that way doesn't work.
I should also point out you jumped from making a point that a new book is about Hyde....to "Gauld made sure that I was out of his school and could not graduate" kind of skips over some minor details.
I saw a lot of stuff go down at Hyde, and while I may not know you or your specifics, I never saw a situation rise to your level that wasn't justified.
So the real question is, who are you? Once we know that, we can get some informed opinions about why you and Hyde didn't get along, and then parents can make an assessment on the facts.
Which even if true, without a lot more factual info, may or may not have had a relationship to why you aren't getting paid what you think you deserve.
Anyway, bling Hyde for your life 20 years later, well, you should hear how absurd you sound. (first job, blah blah, second job, blah blah). Good God man, get a grip. Stop blaming others for your life and your problems.
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Hyde does play games with graduating seniors, but there is usually a reason when someone is kicked out. On the other hand I have seen kids HELD BACK for no reason, although many of us believe Hyde does this to keep the student and the dollars coming in for another year.
On the contrary to what "Anonymous" is saying, I see lots of hypocracy on who Hyde graduates and who they don't. One year a 19 year old student who was having sex with a minor graduated. Another student who clearly broke ethics towards the end of the school year also graduated. So when this former student says Hyde ruined his life, I understand the anger involved, and believe that indeed Hyde picks and chooses who graduates and it is not neccesarily consistent, but 20 years is a long time to blame!
To say your life is ruined at this point in your career is a cop out! Even if Hyde screwed you over unnecessarily, it is time to take responsibility. Hyde messed with me too, more than you can imagine. I could have allowed what they did to me to ruin my life, but I would NEVER succumb to this. I did what I needed to do to mend the damage, and I have gone on to have a successful career. It wasn't easy, but one has a choice in life. You either give up and continue to blame everyone and everything in your past, or you fight to survive. I chose the later and you might want to think about doing the same.
Don't get me wrong, I do think Hyde is very distructive, but we can't sit back blaming Hyde forever. Many of these negative posts are true and hopefully the intelligent parents will make a choice based on both the positives and the negatives. Hyde isn't for everyone. I think this website is very informative and hope that anyone considering Hyde reads all the posts.
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You have a good attitude Anonymous. You see the flaws at Hyde, but you have moved on! I too am a survivor of Hyde from 9 years ago. I dislike Hyde's methods and am glad this forum exists to inform students/parents of the facts. These posters can debate all they want, but the truth is there are a few successes of each graduating class, but many more failures!! I doubt Hyde completed any studies to see where the graduating students are today. I doubt they would want to do this as it would expose facts that Hyde would not want published.
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I hope you don't mind...
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I hold it to be the inalienable right of anybody to go to hell in his own way.
--Robert Frost, American poet
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Hyde does play games with graduating seniors, but there is usually a reason when someone is kicked out. On the other hand I have seen kids HELD BACK for no reason, although many of us believe Hyde does this to keep the student and the dollars coming in for another year.
When I was there in the '70s there were a few kids
who were called "PGs" which stood for "post-graduates".
These were guys who had completed Senior Year but
were too valuable as athletes to let go. The league
that Hyde was in allowed this.The most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of
knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness.
--Thomas Jefferson
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As horrible as my experience was there, I don't let it affect my life anymore, despite my lingering anger at my folks who just can't bring themselves to admit that they f&^%$d up by buying into the Hyde mentality.
Warm weather, palm trees, beautiful girls and a real educational experience (college) helped wash it all away.
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MMM hyde in the 70's. Those were the days. Where is henry milton now?
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On 2006-02-23 17:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"MMM hyde in the 70's. Those were the days. Where is henry milton now? "
I've often wondered about that myself. I always thought that he'd end up working for an outfit like WWASP or Straight, Inc. but I've never seen his name come up in any posts about either one.You know....if the Seed was in Utah, who knows how many "wives" the old bastard would have.
Jupiter Survivor
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I think we were there at the same time. I was there the summer the mansion burnt. I some times wonder what became of Phil. I actually liked Henry. I kind of felt bad about his wife running off with Todd. Todd and Marsha sang well together.
A survivor of the Joe and Ed show
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On 2006-02-27 08:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think we were there at the same time. I was there the summer the mansion burnt. I some times wonder what became of Phil. I actually liked Henry. I kind of felt bad about his wife running off with Todd. Todd and Marsha sang well together.
A survivor of the Joe and Ed show
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I was there the year after the fire. Never heard any story about Milton's wife running off with anyone.Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous
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Yeah...Marcia was pretty weird and ended up leaving Henry and running away with Todd Donahue..Actually they taught there for a year after they got together. Henry ended up dating and then marrying Mary, a sec'y and they had a couple kids.
Henry's in FL.
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I remember Henry and Mary. The thing I have always been curious about was what went on after I left. The Whole thing between Joe and Ed when the "book" and National Committment fizzled. I heard a number of rumors. Like Larry Kennedy embezzing funds. Joe and Ed having sex with various students, all of which I enjoyed with a certain sagenfroid, being a disaffected former student. I have run into folks that are very pro one side or the other. Kind of like kids taking sides in a messy divorce. Joe is back and Ed is in Kennebunk plotting a coup perhaps.
anon
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On 2006-02-27 13:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I remember Henry and Mary. The thing I have always been curious about was what went on after I left. The Whole thing between Joe and Ed when the "book" and National Committment fizzled. I heard a number of rumors. Like Larry Kennedy embezzing funds. Joe and Ed having sex with various students, all of which I enjoyed with a certain sagenfroid, being a disaffected former student. I have run into folks that are very pro one side or the other. Kind of like kids taking sides in a messy divorce. Joe is back and Ed is in Kennebunk plotting a coup perhaps.
anon
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The amazing thing about all of this is that Hyde is supposedly a "character building" school and yet the kids as well as the staff seem to be completely screwed up! The school hires these former screwed up students to teach the newer screwed up kids! Gee Wiz, seems like former students have something very laughable to look back on in life!!
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On 2006-02-28 07:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
The amazing thing about all of this is that Hyde is supposedly a "character building" school and yet the kids as well as the staff seem to be completely screwed up! The school hires these former screwed up students to teach the newer screwed up kids! Gee Wiz, seems like former students have something very laughable to look back on in life!!"
It's the same way throughout this entire twisted little teen "help" industry. Has been since its inception. Sad but true.
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Hyde was an interesting place. The experience for
me was on the whole positive. It took a number of years to get to the place that I saw it in that light. There was a bit of kool aid drinking when I was there. National Committment was pretty bazar. I did a parody school newspaper when I was there. The head line was "Eastern Block Commandos in Bath to Dash Nations Only Hope" Joe walked by as I was tacking it up. He looked over my shoulder, read it, ,said "Hummm" and walked down the hall way. I was pretty out in terms of my kool aid free diet. I was never punished for the National Committment parody. The "leadership" students were all on board. Hyde had to be spread to the nation to save it.
I have fond memories of almost getting hit my a tanker ship in pennobscott bay in the fog while rowing a dory or being dropped off at parkers head and running back to campus. When I was there there were a number of folk there that were not "screwed up" and were truly interested in helping people grow and deal with the issues they were going thru. Larry Pray, Bud Warren, Jim Searles and Charlie Bond come to mind. Paul hurd , henry milton, and Joe could be confrontational. Paul was famous for driving his index finger into kids chests. They mostly left me alone. I don't know why. There were a bunch of kids there at the time that were pretty well balanced, although I can not claim to be one of them.
The staff at the time clearly did not know what they were doing with some of the wilder among us. Phil in our summer school was a case in point. _I_ could tell he was crazy. I have been assured that they screen now. There is a line. It is not a bright line but there none the less, where chemistry takes over and attitude and choice fade. Telling some one with a bipolar disorder that schizophrania is a choice is like telling some one with diarhea that shitting is a choice. Try it next time you are so afflicted. I remember kids with real problem being told to make the choice. I don't think it worked for most of them. I don't know if they do that any more. Hope not.
Malcolm and his sister are strung together a little better then the old man in my estimation. One the whole I am glad to see the place still going.
J&E survivor
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Who are you?
I was there then!
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Do you remember Jan Holland? She died last year, of breast cancer. I have a very happy memory of Jan in a tight rib knit shirt. She used to call me a "very very sick young man"
J&E
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On 2006-02-28 11:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
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Hyde was an interesting place. The experience for
me was on the whole positive. It took a number of years to get to the place that I saw it in that light. There was a bit of kool aid drinking when I was there. National Committment was pretty bazar. I did a parody school newspaper when I was there. The head line was "Eastern Block Commandos in Bath to Dash Nations Only Hope" Joe walked by as I was tacking it up. He looked over my shoulder, read it, ,said "Hummm" and walked down the hall way. I was pretty out in terms of my kool aid free diet. I was never punished for the National Committment parody. The "leadership" students were all on board. Hyde had to be spread to the nation to save it.
I have fond memories of almost getting hit my a tanker ship in pennobscott bay in the fog while rowing a dory or being dropped off at parkers head and running back to campus. When I was there there were a number of folk there that were not "screwed up" and were truly interested in helping people grow and deal with the issues they were going thru. Larry Pray, Bud Warren, Jim Searles and Charlie Bond come to mind. Paul hurd , henry milton, and Joe could be confrontational. Paul was famous for driving his index finger into kids chests. They mostly left me alone. I don't know why. There were a bunch of kids there at the time that were pretty well balanced, although I can not claim to be one of them.
The staff at the time clearly did not know what they were doing with some of the wilder among us. Phil in our summer school was a case in point. _I_ could tell he was crazy. I have been assured that they screen now. There is a line. It is not a bright line but there none the less, where chemistry takes over and attitude and choice fade. Telling some one with a bipolar disorder that schizophrania is a choice is like telling some one with diarhea that shitting is a choice. Try it next time you are so afflicted. I remember kids with real problem being told to make the choice. I don't think it worked for most of them. I don't know if they do that any more. Hope not.
Malcolm and his sister are strung together a little better then the old man in my estimation. One the whole I am glad to see the place still going.
J&E survivor
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Thanks so much for your post. Nice to get different prospectives. Sounds like you were at Hyde years ago. Do you mind letting us know what years you were there.
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75 - 77
Ford/Dole, Carter/Mondale, The Bicentennial, Peter Frampton, Big hair, Bad cars, At least SNL was funny back then.
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Yes SNL was a lot better at that time. Seems as though Hyde has not changed a lot since then as far as unqualified staff. You said you were told they screen now. Believe me the screening has a lot to be desired. They are pretty desperate for qualified teachers and don't pay much, so end up with the bottom of the barrel.
I had beneficial experiences at Hyde as well as some pretty horrific ones. Overall I feel my time at Hyde was a waste and harmful to my academics. I don't blame my parents as they thought they were doing right by me. There is no one who feels worse about it than them, but we have moved on. I look at this site from time to time to see how things are back at the old school and to see what has changed. It looks like very little has changed since the 80's.
Sounds like your experience was pretty decent. Do you mind my asking what college you went to after graduating from Hyde and what you ended up doing in the proceeding five years after graduating?
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I dropped out of college my freshman year. Worked odd jobs. Got a job in the electronics industry out of an interest in music. I worked at well know audio company. I went to night school got an associates in EE by 83. I graduated from a fair Engineering School in 96 with a BS in CS Magna cum. I work for a large computer firm. Have a good job, attactive wife, beautiful home and two health well adjusted children. I am active in community affairs. I am athletic. Don't drink, don't do drugs. Smoke cigars occationally and lie to my heath care provider about it. I go to church regularly
The academics at Hyde were poor IMHO. It was however a charater building experience. Joe's idea was that the system allowed kids to prosper with bad character traits. He felt that character was more important then knowledge. He set out to form a system that valued charater over academic success.
Unfortunatly there is the second order effect of people of gaming the charater system. I have kept track of some of the star students in my era. Not all of them did well. Some of the people that did not do well at at Hyde by the standards that Hyde applied did very well. I count my self in the later group. Many of the thing that have helped me be sucessful I learned at Hyde.
I met a guy at a Greatful Dead show in buffalo ny in 1980 named Jimmy Vita. Jimmy said "Hyde. What a bunch of noise" Jimmy spent his time moving wood piles and digging holes at hyde . For him it was a bunch of noise. It was not for me.
J&E survivor