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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 09, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
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There have been rumors of sexual relations between female staff and male students at BCA. We all know that there have been questionable treatment at these schools. Is there truth to a certain "team leader" and student at BCA?
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heidi and the burros
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LOL,
I've heared the "rumor" from a couple different people.
Knowing the team leader in question, and her level of instability, regular alcohol consumption, jelous husband, the assistant team leader staying at her house rather than going home to his crippled wife, and the ton of times she was under question for her relationships with her male students, I don't doubt it for a second. Either does anyone else I've heared from or talked with.
What I wonder is... did it ever happen while the school was open, or is this an "iccolated incident"?
Come on... some one knows the real DIRT. spill!
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i'm pretty sure brandon mcneely was gettin down with a bunch of the male team leaders but i cant say much more than that
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What the fuck is an "iccolated incident"?
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I always thought molly was pretty friendly with the older student guys.. not saying she fucked any of them, but ya never know
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I know two girls from CEDU who were raped. Repeatedly. One for a week straight.
:evil: Its a fucking evil place and Im glad its gone, for now.As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
--Hunter S. Thompson's Samoan Attorney
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Really? When? What campus? By staff?
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On 2005-08-09 19:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"LOL,
I've heared the "rumor" from a couple different people.
Knowing the team leader in question, and her level of instability, regular alcohol consumption, jelous husband, the assistant team leader staying at her house rather than going home to his crippled wife, and the ton of times she was under question for her relationships with her male students, I don't doubt it for a second. Either does anyone else I've heared from or talked with.
What I wonder is... did it ever happen while the school was open, or is this an "iccolated incident"?
Come on... some one knows the real DIRT. spill!"
So who were the staff members that the rumor were about?
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The "team leader" refered to is none other than Ariel Gunn, who was more unstable than 80% of the kids at BCA back in '03. Her relationship with one student became so disgusting and "obvious" that even the nurses started making bad jokes about it. Her team fell into disarray as no attention was given to anyone else. She was a bit strange from the beginning anyway.
The person who spilled the beans on the "team leader" sounds like they had an inside knowledge of what was happening. Are you staff?
Also, some of the male team staff seemed to have too close a relationship with several girls. Marc Trivelpiece in particular...he seemed a little too friendly with some of the girls. Same with Todd "Wifebeater" DeGraff.
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they actually made areil a team leader?! how sad.
glad i wasnt around for that
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Marc Trivelpiece's wife was way too fine to be fuckin' around with any of bca's "fine selection" of girls. And Todd's wife worked at bca (as of '02) didn't she? But damn when did they make Ariel a team leader? She was a complete mess. I remember her big long teary good bye (good riddance) rap in the beginning of '02. So she came back after all that? That lady was a nut.
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What the hell happened when I graduated! Holy shit! Ariel wasn't even an assistant team leader when I left, what team did she wind up taking over? I remember I had to help her out in her aerobics election class because she couldn't get order in that auditorium. And you saw that Todd DeGraff had some relations with girls that were disgusting huh? Wow, I remember when Natalie Miller knocked his big ass down for a teddy bear. Now the guy is a wifebeater? Maybe the school gives these staff members issues just like it gives some of the graduates. I remember when Todd was scared to even speak in raps. WEIRD!
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Yeah things really changed...when I left Todd was upper school team leader and certainly didn't have any trouble expressing himselves in raps, or anywhere else for that matter. He took over that position when, who else, Ariel left it in that ridiculous drawn out rap. I had no idea Ariel came back.
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On 2005-08-12 11:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah things really changed...when I left Todd was upper school team leader and certainly didn't have any trouble expressing himselves in raps, or anywhere else for that matter. He took over that position when, who else, Ariel left it in that ridiculous drawn out rap. I had no idea Ariel came back. "
thats fucking funny.. all of it
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I was a staff at the time of closure. (please don't assault me, I tried to be one of the good guys). I heared this Ariel rumor from a couple former students who keep in touch and who were also there when school closed.
I remember the relationship of 03, but this includes a student that was on her team at the end. What I heared was that it happened when she flew to Ca. to do a workshop for a group of kids. With one of her favorites :flame: It pissed me off to see some kids do nothing and get everything they wanted and others busted there ass and got nothing but grief.)Details are shady. I was told they "got it on" while they thought another former student was asleep in the back seat of the car.
You would think after being a team leader for how long and how the story goes that no good drama goes untold for very long, she'd be smarter. Thing are different when no one has the fear of being made to pay. :rofl: :tup:
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ok time out...who the fuck would really want to get busy with ariel?? i mean seriously, there were a couple of staff at bca i wouldn't have minded gettin' down with (and they sure beat the students), but ariel?!? that was one hurt ass bitch. oh well, just goes to show how fucked up some of those look good bastards were at that school. snitchin' on poor voyagers for sneakin' back some much needed cookies and drink mix from their little visit to buttfuck ferry idaho one minute, and then nailin' ariel in the van the next. thank god they could only keep me there for 2 years.
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I would agree on the Trivelpiece wife thing-but some of the stuff he did (often with DeGraff) to one or two of the girls there (some of the more attractive ones) was a bit...weird. Hanging upside down(as a joke) and tickling almost to the point where all of Quixote was filled with that obnoxious helium airhead barbie doll laughter. One of these girls acted as though she wanted to do something with Trivelpiece. Probably just because of promiscuity, attention, or establishing herself is a favorite, but many of the male staff seemed to love the attention.
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That sort of thing got thrown around a lot though. I remember when all the girls in Mary Cassat started accusing Mason of 'acting inappropriately' in the dorm, which was pretty fucked because that really wasn't his style. They just didn't like him.
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The girls in Mary Cassat...very true. They would defintley do something like that to screw someone over. Mason was one of the better guys there...he didn't buy the BS hook, line, and sinker.
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Two important CEDU heads, Dan Earle and Andy Grenier(sp?)were also not immune to the charms of CEDU students. Those were consummated relationships.
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ariel definitely was unstable but i dont think that means she hooked up with a student.. i mean really, she openly talked about her herpes who would hook up with that?? and todd and mark were not getting too touchy feely... for a lot of the girls they were like big teddy bear father figures and were the only good relationship with a male they have ever had... maybe it was a little weird but what wasnt weird at that place? and none of you can call me a hipocrite because i wasnt close with any of those staff so dont even try to say that i snugged them
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I don't think anyone would have said anything had you not added that last part in. Hate to say it, but you kind of set yourself up with that one! I still sit here and read all this shit about Ariel and just get stuck blinking my eyes in unbelief. I have NEVER heard Ariel talk about her herpes in raps, (maybe I wasn't in enough raps with her). I was there back in 96' and I started seeing Ariel come around in 97' or 98'. I just can't believe people are saying that she came in with alcohol on her breath! WEIRD!
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i put it in ariel's butt in the south mudroom closet a couple times
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In the closet?? Too bad about her having herpes then.
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Eh, it's all good. I already had it. And the clap. But I wish I had known she had the genital fire. THAT one keeps you up at night...
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mudroom closet? you die-hard romantic, you.
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nothin wrong with an std bro! just consider it a battle scar
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That is so disgusting.
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I didn't like Ariel once I discovered her game. I was on her team and sat in many raps and a couple workshops with her, I never heared anything about herpes.
I have heared about her hooking up with one of the guys from her team after the school closed. I've heared it from almost everyone I've talked to since they closed. students and staff.
I'd give names, but I don't want to be the bad guy. He wasn't a kiss ass to any one but her. Frankly, he didn't talk to any staff other than her.
Funny part is after he hit her with a life preserver in his voyager days she was scared shitless of him and begged La not to let him come back. (hint hint, to anyone who was there)
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Yes this is true...please contact me...dc.costa@comcast.net
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PLEASE CONTACT ME..I may know who you are....
dc.costa@comcast.net
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I was at BCA with you...contact me...
dc.costa@comcast.net
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Oooooh shit I know exactly who you're talking about. Wow, but yeah I should've seen that one coming.
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there was a staff (34 year old woman) and a kid (17 year old guy who turnd 18 mid relationship) who were having sex while I was there at RMA.
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there was a kid (me) and some moms (aka yours) who were having sex at the schweitzer conferences.
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On 2005-11-12 10:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there was a kid (me) and some moms (aka yours) who were having sex at the schweitzer conferences. "
:rofl:
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d. costa ehhh, werent you the one who was supposed to be asleep?
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yeah, I was alsleep
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I beef injected a 36 yr old staff lady and I was 17
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So I hear BCA is up and running again. I hear some of the old kids are back, it's too bad really. I also see by the web site that the same manipulative, lieing, bastards are running the place. The whole thing still makes me sick to be honest. Is Ariel working there again? I can't imagine how La would be able to keep her finger on the staff with out her henchmen makeing them pay. At the same time I'm not sure how they could get around such indescretion as sleeping with students.
So dcosta, were they sleeping together before the school closed? Or did you just get the lucky premeir showing. (oh, sorry, I just grossed myself out).
Do you keep in touch with any of the old kids? How are they doing? I think about it alot, ya know the mistakes I made and the lengths I was pushed to. How the abuse believe it or not was as bad for some of us staff as it was for the kids. I was pushed and punished when I tried to stand up for myself or the kids who weren't Ariels pets. The hours I spent being yelled at for "keeping score" when I generally had no idea what they were talking about, the dirty looks and threats. I'm not sure why but I'm still very effected by it all. I don't trust anyone anymore, and would rather be a shut in than open up or get out. I guess that's what I get for opening up, letting down walls and trusting at BCA. I hope and pray that I didn't cause or inflict the same pain for others. If I did or rather I'm sure I did, and so I senceirley appologize. I know it doesn't do any good now, but I am sorry. It was all so hard to see at the time. The crap got so thick and I never knew who to trust, who was being real and who was going to twist the knife. It's unreal the pressure and stress the staff are forced to endure. Unfortunateley, it gets passed on. I actually only had a few weeks left before my planned departure. I couldn't take it anymore and I didn't like who I was being changed into.
I guess I'm rambling, but for now it feels good to get it out.
costa and any other kids that were there when it closed, how are you, really? Were there any good times? Any decent staff? Any chance you'll be showing at the Arab show in scottsdale this year?
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There was no real "trust" at the CEDU schools, it was merely submission disguised.
Maybe some people truly trusted, but not those of us who expereinced emotional fallout after the experience.
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Yo, who is this and how the hell do you know about the Scottsdale show?
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i went to cedu high and i fucked one of the staff there. we were fucking for about 6 months until she quit. she was only 22 and fresh out of college, she hated the place to. I wont say any names but i heard its happened before to.
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to the staff that spoke earlier - Loren, is that you? Get a grip, really. You bought into the whole thing, hook line and sinker. You were a screamer, and you know it. you sold all the parents on the game. Shame on you, if you think it was such a scam.
And as for Ariel, she didn't sleep with the student. She was indiscreet and crossed the line, for sure, but she did not sleep with the student. I make no excuses for her, and I am very upset at what she did. She did not get rehired at BCA, nor did you.
Decent staff? I don't know - you all were a bunch of fakes.
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okay, mr. big staff talker,
why haven't you responded? Rambling on and on, so what's your story now? Complaining about how bad it was and how bad you screwed the kids. What do you have to say now? Chicken?
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hi im looking for info on the Cedu in the sierra nevada mountains in California...
is that the cedu you kids attended?
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On 2006-02-04 19:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"to the staff that spoke earlier - Loren, is that you? Get a grip, really. You bought into the whole thing, hook line and sinker. You were a screamer, and you know it. you sold all the parents on the game. Shame on you, if you think it was such a scam.
And as for Ariel, she didn't sleep with the student. She was indiscreet and crossed the line, for sure, but she did not sleep with the student. I make no excuses for her, and I am very upset at what she did. She did not get rehired at BCA, nor did you.
Decent staff? I don't know - you all were a bunch of fakes.
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I know for a fact Ariel slept with the student because I'm friends with the student she slept with.
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I recall back in 1985, 3 of us students rented some videos and were invited to Randy Eide and Caroline Wolfe's apartment above the field house to watch them.
Caroline came out of the shower with nothing but a small tower wrapped around her and proceeded to make herself comfortable on the carpet in front of the TV to watch Clint Eastwood flicks.
She laid the towel on the carpet and then laid down on top of it, face-down, and for 4 hours that was the view we got.
She also made endless sexual references and suggestions and invited me up to her apartment on two occassions, alone. To think she did not have sex with students seems unlikely at best. That Randy didn't care his "former" prostitute, CEDU grad girlfrien/fiance was lying naked in a room with three students, one of whom was having a sex contract for 6 months (me), was a little strange.
There was also a nutcase staff member who was there only a couple of months. She made it clear she wanted to have sex. I will never recall her name because I don't think she ever told us. But I will never forget this one day when myself and a student named Mike Slaughter were stocking firewood and filling the furnaces below the girls dorms known as the Nests, when she turned me, with the door to the furnace open and commented, "Wow, that's a large furnace. I bet you could fit a body in there." I left without comment to get more wood and when I returned, Mike was there and now she said, "I can't believe how huge this thing is. You could fit two people in there." She had a really crazy look in her eye and I am plenty happy she was gone later. Having sex and then getting thrown into a furnace would make for a bad day.
It was also speculated that Melissa Lanier and Tom Kray, a staff member who left in 1985 were having sex. Hard to know. After our graduation, so many people claimed to have graduated dirty you will never know what is true and what is not. But the staff clearly had no scrupples, much less common sense, were engaged in mind control, behavior alterting therapy on teens and probably took full advantage of that.
I think the schools got far worse after I graduated based on what I have read here. But again, you never know what to believe.
--Bill,
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On 2006-02-27 16:10:00, Willy B wrote:
"I recall back in 1985, 3 of us students rented some videos and were invited to Randy Eide and Caroline Wolfe's apartment above the field house to watch them.
Caroline came out of the shower with nothing but a small tower wrapped around her and proceeded to make herself comfortable on the carpet in front of the TV to watch Clint Eastwood flicks.
She laid the towel on the carpet and then laid down on top of it, face-down, and for 4 hours that was the view we got.
She also made endless sexual references and suggestions and invited me up to her apartment on two occassions, alone. To think she did not have sex with students seems unlikely at best. That Randy didn't care his "former" prostitute, CEDU grad girlfrien/fiance was lying naked in a room with three students, one of whom was having a sex contract for 6 months (me), was a little strange.
--Bill,"
You're shitting me :eek:
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whether Ariel slept with a student or not really isn't the point. She crossed the line when she became remotely intimate with a student. That is repulsive, and none of us argue that.
I addressed the staff's original post regarding BCA being up and running again. He was unprofessional and made sorry excuses for being part of what he considered a sham. He talked a good line while he was employed.
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I went to Cedu in Running Springs, CA in 1984.