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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on August 03, 2005, 02:08:00 AM
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Are these places that bad or is it just some pissed off kids who got ofended when confronted with the truth. Just wondering the thoughts about it.
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Yeah they're that bad, asshole. They're unregulated. Why don't morons like you understand what can happen when no one in the entire world is checking up to make sure you're okay? If you really want to know the "thoughts about it," then read up. There's plenty to wrap your little mind around on here. I was sexually molested by a staff member at the place I went to, so me being offended doesn't have fuck to do about being a pissed off kid or being confronted with the truth.
On 2005-08-02 23:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are these places that bad or is it just some pissed off kids who got ofended when confronted with the truth. Just wondering the thoughts about it."
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Of course they are all bad.
There are no bad kids, just bad adults
Drugs good
School bad
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Generalizations are dangerous....saying that ALL residential facilities are horrible places for every child and all staff members are evil and all should be shut down is as dangerous a generalization as saying all Japanese people had something to do with the bombing of Pearl Harbor and every Muslim had something to do with 9/11. It is unfair to the good staff and caring counselors to say that all are bad. There are bad facilities and bad employees. Regulations should be in place and inspections should take place on a regular basis. But to say every one in the entire United States is a horrible facility is wrong.
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Original poster- just spend some time reading through this forum. You'll find your answer that way.
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I am not a pissed off kid, I'm a pissed off grandparent. My beautiful, precious granddaughter happens to be in a residential program. For the past year I have extensively researched the "teen help" industry, and can honestly say that I have not found a single program that is not bad. However, in the spirit of trying to be open minded, there may be some helpful programs out there, but they are most certainly not the ones with the glossy brochures and slick marketing techniques. They are not the ones located in states with weak or no child protection laws, no licensing requirements or official oversight. They are not the ones who censor mail and prohibit all forms of communication with the outside world. They are not expensive prisons calling themselves "boarding schools" who hold their young prisoners incommunicado for years on end. If any of you out there know of a good program, I'd love to hear about it.
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Take what you read here with a grain of salt. That is after you weed through the silly games and name calling etc etc etc. Go to http://www.strugglingteens.com (http://www.strugglingteens.com) and poke around there. And take everything on that site with a grain of salt too. ST is more one-sided and heavily edited but theres no name calling or profanity.
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Struggling trolls is an EDCON referal agency.
They take MONEY to send kids to private JAIL.
This is their marketing.
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Wandering around there websit doesnt cost anything and if you ask questions about specific programs parents can respond via PM. And everything they have to say about programs is not good.
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Think of that when you are reading these forums.
Everyone's interests here are not what they seem. People make their living off sending other people's kids to programs. A lot of them hang out at Struggling Trolls. Thousands of dollars per kid usually, this is something they take very seriously.
What are the interests of those who post at fornits? To spread the truth. Nobody is making money here.
HUGE difference.
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So are there other site besides this one and ST?
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On 2005-08-03 08:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Nobody is making money here."
Unless they start posting links to struggling teens website, where as soon as you register you will get bombarded with parents trying to suggest programs. AND, get their fee. It's sick and disturbing, but just another day for these programmed parents.
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Im a parent and I come to this site and also ST. Noone solicits information to me. If I ask a question, I get responses. And I can take them or leave them.
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When I registered I got half a dozen parents sending me info about programs, guess it depends on the person?
When I asked about a specific program, they deleted the name of the program.
When I mentioned fornits, they deleted that too.
There is no open debate on that site. They simply let people post who help them gain more business.
Good luck finding your right forum.
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There are wonderful therapeutic programs available. Wilderness and otherwise. They do not all completely restrict communication, but they do recognize how manipulative these kids have learned to be. There are reputable educational consultants who can steer you to the proper program. these programs can save lives and families.
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When they vaguely say "oh theyre not all bad" then in the mind of someone who just wondered into this whole debackle, any program could be one of 'the good ones', they read the press releases without criticism of any program because nobody was able to tell them the warning signs, of the existance of this website OR ISAC, and they put their kid in it.
Its kind of obvious what Lon's trying to do here... MAKE MONEY. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun.
-- Patrick Henry
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this website has an agenda much stronger than that of struggling teens. That website is for parents to support each other and get information from other parents who have been through this with their kids. this website is just to bash all programs and express hate to all parents who send kids to any program
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On 2005-08-03 08:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"So are there other site besides this one and ST?"
Yes! I keep a list at
http://fornits.com/anonanon/ (http://fornits.com/anonanon/)
I'm sure that's not comprehensive. But whatever I've missed it's probably linked from one or more of the sites I've listed. Also, there are a lot of dead links. I don't really make any effort to delete those. I like to leave them as a record of sites that have come and gone. Occasionally, I get word of why and how the missing sites went down. Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.
--Isaac Asimov, Russian-born American author
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On 2005-08-04 09:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"this website has an agenda much stronger than that of struggling teens. That website is for parents to support each other and get information from other parents who have been through this with their kids. this website is just to bash all programs and express hate to all parents who send kids to any program"
Really? Is that why you post here?The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins; all of them imaginary.
H.L. Mencken, 1923
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On 2005-08-04 09:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"this website has an agenda much stronger than that of struggling teens. That website is for parents to support each other and get information from other parents who have been through this with their kids. this website is just to bash all programs and express hate to all parents who send kids to any program"
This site has NO agenda at all. The administrators don't censor anything at all, even from you trolls.
Struggling Trolls, on the other hand, exists solely for the purpose of making money. Now THAT'S an agenda. Can you not see the diffenece?
Back under the bridge, troll!
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Forget Struggeling Teens, it's just the same small group of people.
http://www.conductdisorders.com (http://www.conductdisorders.com) is much more interesting.
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fornits gives you the same small group of illiterate teenagers and adults who either don't have teens or lost custody battles like Deborah and can't get over the anger.
conducdisorders is really not the same thing. it does have some helpfull info but doesn't really address the out of control teen thing as well as the expereinces on strugglingteens
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... Is not the idea of a on-line text forum board to write your own views and read that of others...
It seems every one here would be able to read and write... if your going to troll, at least try and do it well.
Yes, yes it does. This site is a counter point, and a very firm one, to struggling teens. This site gives attention to the care and consern of teen agers. Struggling teens only care about parents feeling good about them selfs and helping them get over their own guilt and pain.
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On 2005-08-04 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"fornits gives you the same small group of illiterate teenagers and adults who either don't have teens or lost custody battles like Deborah and can't get over the anger.
conducdisorders is really not the same thing. it does have some helpfull info but doesn't really address the out of control teen thing as well as the expereinces on strugglingteens"
You are calling who illiterate? :rofl:
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On 2005-08-04 10:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"fornits gives you the same small group of illiterate teenagers and adults who either don't have teens or lost custody battles like Deborah and can't get over the anger.
conducdisorders is really not the same thing. it does have some helpfull info but doesn't really address the out of control teen thing as well as the expereinces on strugglingteens"
The epitome of poor reasoning skills is in evidence once more. If everyone on this site is "illiterate," then what could possibly be your reasoning for writing a post here? Why bother? Your compulsion to bash supercedes your ability to think critically. Interesting...
By the way, dopey, you misspelled roughly 5% of the total words you wrote while characterizing others as "illiterate." :flame:
Love Ya! :wave:
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***fornits gives you the same small group of illiterate teenagers and adults who either don't have teens or lost custody battles like Deborah and can't get over the anger.***
How have I offended you dear? Did I speak out against your prefered program?
Take responsibility. Own those words. Put a name with them. Take the bag off and stop hurling verbal bombs. Let's discuss this like adults. Which disgruntled Struggling Parent are you?
At the very least, post the link that might have led you to believe that I lost a custody battle.
Not surprising that you would have problems with your kid. You're a compulsive, lying, manipulator.
Angry? Ocassionally. But much more of the time, repulsed by a program that would perjure themselves in court to keep my ex's $5000 a month coming in. They all knew my son didn't 'need' to be there (if any kid does) and the wilderness counslor was the only one with enough integrity to actually admit it. And this was one of STs 'highly esteemed' programs.
I'm also frequently repulsed at the likes of you.
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How could you even know what their "preferred program" is? They won't say. :roll:
By the way, who did you get to write this post for you? :lol:
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One of them let a few of the cats out of the bag:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 280#120291 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=10963&forum=37&start=280#120291)
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...the people have a right to keep and bear arms.
-- Patrick Henry and George Mason Debates
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Deborah- which program was/is your son in?