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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: former CEDU therapist on July 29, 2005, 02:06:00 AM
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I am not Linda, Mary, or Mark. I am certainly not pro-synanon or pro-CEDU. I do not want to ID myself, because although a company may be closing - or reorganizing - they still can sue. I am not willing to risk that.
I was able to hook up with a couple of my former clients here in the boards and I was delighted to learn that they are doing just fine.
I was asked to leave CEDU because I was not buying into the brainwashing/synanon/shame 'em and blame 'em tactics. This was okay with me - I was actively looking for other work. No one here has ever guessed my identity. I was there for a pretty short period of time - but it sure made an impression on me. I've never seen anything like it. And a lot of what they did was the opposite of what I learned in school is actually helpful.
If you think you know me, you can always send me a private message. I was there a number of years ago.[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2005-07-28 23:08 ]
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Former therapist---what you say sounds a little sketchy---I wonder if you did something more specific than break the rules by making cocoa for your clients---if you're who I think you are--the answer is a resounding yes!!!!
As you say yourself---it's probably illogical to be afraid of being sued by a non-existent company---you've got a bur under your saddle about being found out in any public way, that's for sure
And "your" kids---are there some boundary issues here?
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WWere you at CEDU high in R.S. as a Ph.D. Candidate under Dr. Soltani in the late 90's?
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On 2005-07-29 10:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As you say yourself---it's probably illogical to be afraid of being sued by a non-existent company---you've got a bur under your saddle about being found out in any public way, that's for sure"
I wonder GameBoy, is it illogical to be afraid of being tracked down and harassed by die-hard
program weirdo's like yourself?
Cedu cultists and their Synanon friends have a proven track of trying to hurt and ruin the lives of their critics...and it goes far beyond mear lawsuits. In the past, cedu cultists have stopped at nothing to silence their detractors. Cedu's past methods include making death threats against individuals and famililies, and even physically attacking people in their own homes!
Cedu may not exist anymore, but as GameBoy has clearly demonstrated, there are still plenty of deranged people out there clinging on to Cedu's sick ideology & methods. But I guess old routines are hard to break, right Game Boy?
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On 2005-07-29 13:39:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-29 10:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"As you say yourself---it's probably illogical to be afraid of being sued by a non-existent company---you've got a bur under your saddle about being found out in any public way, that's for sure"
I wonder GameBoy, is it illogical to be afraid of being tracked down and harassed by die-hard
program weirdo's like yourself?
Cedu cultists and their Synanon friends have a proven track of trying to hurt and ruin the lives of their critics...and it goes far beyond mear lawsuits. In the past, cedu cultists have stopped at nothing to silence their detractors. Cedu's past methods include making death threats against individuals and famililies, and even physically attacking people in their own homes!
Cedu may not exist anymore, but as GameBoy has clearly demonstrated, there are still plenty of deranged people out there clinging on to Cedu's sick ideology & methods. But I guess old routines are hard to break, right Game Boy?
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You ask if it is illogical to be afraid to be tracked down and harassed, and unless this is some Game that the TWO of you engage in on here, than you just proved to be just like "gameboy" as you call him, and took the time to track down his remark and chose to harass him. So really, the point that you just tried to make at his expense is void. You proved yourself to be as low of a person that it seems you distest in the one you speak of. SUCKS FOR YOU :exclaim:
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I give up on you. You have no reason to suspect me for anything. I never said they told me to leave because of cocoa. You did not read carefully. I also posted in the "Sorry it's all over" thread.
No, it's not a boundary issue. I had teachers in school - they were "my" teachers. I have friends. They are "my" friends. Get over yourself. You sound like Ottawa.
On 2005-07-29 10:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Former therapist---what you say sounds a little sketchy---I wonder if you did something more specific than break the rules by making cocoa for your clients---if you're who I think you are--the answer is a resounding yes!!!!
As you say yourself---it's probably illogical to be afraid of being sued by a non-existent company---you've got a bur under your saddle about being found out in any public way, that's for sure
And "your" kids---are there some boundary issues here?"
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Have people affiliated with CEDU in some way "attacked people in their own homes" or "made death threats against individuals"?
Please say more if this is true---give details if you can---I don't hate CEDu---in fact think that it did a lot of good (though it wasn't perfect as most things aren't). If this is true I would like to know about it.
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I think someone confused the early days of Synanon with CEDU. Sure, some of the early CEDU crap was affiliated with Synanon, EST and probably even Scientology. but don't tell Tom Cruise or John Travolta!!
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MEL WASSERMAN was part of Synanon befor he started CEDU!
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If you want to fuck, then ask...
Who cares what you think you stupid druggie bitch. We can say anything we fucking want to.
I won't be intimidated by any of you fornits
bullying brats.
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I have very sensitive information that I have shared with law enforcement. Please respect my privacy; I respect yours.
Is this true?
Posted: 2005-07-29 16:24:00 Have people affiliated with CEDU in some way "attacked people in their own homes" or "made death threats against individuals"?
Please say more if this is true---give details if you can---I don't hate CEDu---in fact think that it did a lot of good (though it wasn't perfect as most things aren't). If this is true I would like to know about it.[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2005-07-30 22:52 ]
[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2005-07-30 22:53 ]
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I don't think former therapist is going to reveal who he is. I would private message him if I were you.
Are you looking for me? I was there around then - we went through a number of therapists. I don't remember exactly when I was there... or how long. It was kinda short. I know it pissed CEDU off when we gave the kids cocoa or sodas or cookies. A couple of us did this. I also remember some parents started pulling their kids around then. I think it was a time of upheaval.
We were not employees of CEDU - I liked by boss and co-workers. They were good to me. We were all a private practice using office space up there. I was pretty disconnected with what CEDU was doing - did not participate in any "raps" or "propheets."
I did have issues with the treatment of kids. I think I was there maybe two days a week??? Trying to remember! It's a LOOOONG time ago for me! Quite a learning experience!
You are posting as anonymous. You can send me a private message if you wish.
On 2005-07-29 11:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"WWere you at CEDU high in R.S. as a Ph.D. Candidate under Dr. Soltani in the late 90's?"
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Yes, yes, YES!!!! Synanon LIVES!!! I LIVE!!! I joined Synanon and learned TRUE therapeutic methods!! I learned to con parents, to brainwash staff, and to scare the SHIT out of kids!!! I learned shaming and blaming, social shunning, and RAPS, GLORIOUS RAPS!!! I learned that I could get staff like BRANDIIIIIII to spill the dirt about what sluts they were!!! I learned that I could get LaTressa to glorify HERSELF!!! I learned it ALL at SYNANON!!!
That's when I knew that a furniture salesman could change the world and get frightened parents to mortgage their homes for me! Furniture isn't NEARLY as lucrative as the kid business!
On 2005-07-30 07:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"MEL WASSERMAN was part of Synanon befor he started CEDU!"
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Why don't you take yourself away from yourself for a minute, and think..."is there a way that I can escape third grade once and for all". You really need to learn the term "bullying" before you decide to use it in ANY of your posts/replies, whatever! If you think that I am being a bully to you, then ask yourself, what is calling names and assuming peoples' lives in a hurtful manner being? Hmm, most would conclude that that is EXACTLY what bullies do. Just like you can say whatever you want, so can everyone else...but please, don't be all sensitive behind that computer and lash out with anger. Have a nice day, Johnny-come-lately!
Oops, sorry everyone! This message is for the stalking Anonymous who always posts in this site calling people bullies, brats and any other childish names he can come up with, because he needs a little attention![ This Message was edited by: If u want to know..then ask on 2005-08-01 09:08 ]
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I just wonder how many people committed suicide or became extremely depressed due to that hypercritical "therapy" they used there. I know of several from the time I was at CEDU.
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On 2005-07-29 18:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I think someone confused the early days of Synanon with CEDU. Sure, some of the early CEDU crap was affiliated with Synanon, EST and probably even Scientology. but don't tell Tom Cruise or John Travolta!!"
Im kinda new here, but now some of this makes sense.... landmark Education and all of its cult trappings also has roots in est. Landmark Education is NOT A GOOD THING. And anything that operates like it is not a good thing.
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Why are putting Landmark Education in the mix with this? Are you referring to the Landmark forums? Landmark Education is NOTHING compared to CEDU.
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I guess that proves my point... CEdu bad the forum bad.
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On 2005-08-03 05:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I just wonder how many people committed suicide or became extremely depressed due to that hypercritical "therapy" they used there. I know of several from the time I was at CEDU."
I know of 4 from the time I was at RMA (00-02). Haven't talked to anyone in years, so there could and most likely are more.
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On 2005-07-29 10:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Former therapist---what you say sounds a little sketchy---I wonder if you did something more specific than break the rules by making cocoa for your clients---if you're who I think you are--the answer is a resounding yes!!!!
As you say yourself---it's probably illogical to be afraid of being sued by a non-existent company---you've got a bur under your saddle about being found out in any public way, that's for sure
And "your" kids---are there some boundary issues here?"
Everything you say sounds a bit "sketchy," Annie. How 'bout if you get "outed" in public?
How's the weather in Minneapolis? Getting cold yet?
Careful how you treat people, or, contrary to your expectations, you WILL be reacquainted with your limitations, I can assure you of that.
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How about if every one of you just drank a brewski and shut the fuck up?
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On 2005-09-17 14:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How about if every one of you just drank a brewski and shut the fuck up?"
I think it's important to expose charlatans and people who feel free to be hurtful and condescending while hiding behind a bag.
This particular baghead is Ottawa, or "Annie from Minneapolis," if you like.
She's hurtful, cowardly, ego syntonic loser who thinks she's superior to other people, both intellectually and morally. Well, I'm here to tell you that she isn't. She's not nearly as smart as she gives herself credit for, and she sent her son to a program that was so abusive it forced to close its doors.
I'll take that brewski, though. You're buyin'.
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The funniest part of this site are people like you who really think you know everything.
1. I don't have a clue who 'Ottawa' is.
2. I'm a guy.
3. I don't have any kids.
4. I've never been to Minnesota.
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Some fool was trying to bash on me awhile back, and from reading other people's posts about him, it made it seem like that fool was this "Ottawa"'s son. So who is this kid, and who exactly is Ottawa? He kept claiming he knew me, but didn't know a thing about me.
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On 2005-09-18 19:27:00, dniceo7 wrote:
"Some fool was trying to bash on me awhile back, and from reading other people's posts about him, it made it seem like that fool was this "Ottawa"'s son. So who is this kid, and who exactly is Ottawa? He kept claiming he knew me, but didn't know a thing about me. "
Ottawa5 is a woman from Minneapolis who was bashing the hell out of everyone on the CEDU forum. She sent her son to RMA, attended the parent workshops, bought into the "program," and now intends to open her own "school." She goes by the handle "Gentiana" on strugglingteens and other forums.
When people logically deconstructed her arguments here, she started posting anonymously and turned up the rhetoric. She also said some very hateful, nasty things like accusing former CEDU employees who left the program of molesting children/sexual impropriety, etc.
She's now trolling around the "KarenInDallas" thread, again anonymously, but her identity has been confirmed. I know all of her particulars because in her smug arrogance and technical ignorance she's left her personal information all over the net.
She has, since being busted, gone quiet. Before her tripping herself up she was compulsively posting vitriol not befitting of a lady. She's a very nasty, arrogant know-it-all, as you have seen in the CEDU threads and you can see in the thread I mentioned above.
It will be assured that she will not avoid the embarrassment of accountability for her actions. I wonder what her graduate advisor would think about someone who behaves like this? This type of person should never be charged with the care of anyone - look what she's done to her own children.
She sent her son to a horribly abusive program (RMA) that has been forced to close over lost lawsuits and prosecution of staff and has her teenage daughter (Ottawa2) involved on this board defending her. She should be barred from working with kids because she is conscienceless and wholly unethical. Not a good combination to be "helping" children, or anyone else for that matter.
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On 2005-09-18 19:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The funniest part of this site are people like you who really think you know everything.
1. I don't have a clue who 'Ottawa' is.
2. I'm a guy.
3. I don't have any kids.
4. I've never been to Minnesota.
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The post you're responding to wasn't directed at you, except for the brewski part. I know you're not Ottawa5. Sorry for the mixup.
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This is one of Ottawa5's posts from another site. See how she rails against "anaon posters" and people from Fornits? Isn't it a bit funny that she does EXACTLY what she complains about?
"Is it true that this forum has gotten rid of anons?
Gentiana
Posts: 6 Posted: Jan 12, 2005 - 09:21 PM
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If so, thank you Alex. I am the mother of a successful RMA grad and I am interested in a place to be in touch with the experiences of other parents (and kids) who have been in a CEDU school--- for reasons of research and technical understanding.
It seems like people are more real, as well as more decent and respectful, if they have to attach some kind of identifier to their posts. Maybe it's sad that it has to be that way, but that seems to be how it is.
Not that a name guarantees sane or decent behavior. Look for example at the Fornit's site to see some really sad behavior, with and without identifiers.
Earlier in the year, I found the Fornit's site and tried to understand the experiences of students who felt that they did not benefit from CEDU. I really wanted to comprehend why this was so---my initial thinking was that perhaps these reactions were based on isolated experiences with bad counsellors in one school or another.
Eventually, it was my conclusion that the people who responded with vehemently anti-CEDU remarks (in some cases, even with death threats directed toward me or my family), likely had "issues" that were beyond what any non-lock-down program could deal with. Of course this is useful information to have, but probably does not address any detriments or strengths that the more typical student might identify in the CEDU experience.
I would really like to hear about how CEDU (that is, the specific schools) was for anyone who reads this. I am interested in critical, as well as positive posts--omitting threats, abuse, etc. (el a Fornits') would be greatly appreciated. And facilitated by Alex's excellent plan to eliminate anons."
What a hypocritical loser. Nobody can believe or give credence to single word that comes out of this phoney's mouth (or keyboard, as it were).
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Hi, I graduated peer group 24 at NWA. I had just heard recently that cedu had shut down and while checking out the facts online, I stumbled upon this webpage. I don't quite know how to pigeon-hole my CEDU experience; in some ways I resent having my highschool years stolen from me, but other times I'm happy about having been there. When I first graduated in May of 2004, I was pretty full of piss and vinegar, but since then I've had a little more time to cool down.
Throughout the program I was labeled "negative" and pretty much got yelled at in RAPS at least once a week. I had the most number of table restrictions out of any of other kids then in attendance by the second half of my "career" and had been on 2 full-times. I had come pretty close to being sent to Ascent twice throughout the program. (Grapes in a Nalgene...) I never cried in propheets and got not one "live" vote from from my uncharacteristically well indoctrinated peer group during the Summit. Graduation was the happiest day of my life. Pochabel's Cannon still puts a smile on my face to this day.
Cedu took me away from my home, my friends and my family, but it also took me away from a lot of drugs and a life that may not have gone anywhere (without a great deal more effort).
After graduating from Northwest Academy, I took a year off to really reflect on what had happened. I did end up doing a lot of drugs during that year, but I also managed to matriculate at Colby College as a freshman this year.
When the interim year approached an end, I was able to turn of the drug use immediately (with manageable withdrawal) - something I'm not sure if I would've been able to do otherwise. I'm currently studying pre-med and have been drug-free since August (well mostly...smoke a little pot now and then and drink like a...well college student). In this respect, I am thankful for the way that things turned out.
However, Cedu did not leave me scratch free. Residual anger, guilt and distrust distance me from my family. I wake up sweating and panicking and thrashing almost every other night. (something that started at the beginning of my NWA experience...fear of escorts perhaps?) I'm very uncomfortable and fidgety around adults; I tend to avoid eye contact with authority, and I'm constantly paranoid about punishment and consequence, even for the smallest offenses. I'm not nearly as carefree as I used to be, nor do I voice my opinions nearly as much. And I'm much more lethargic than I used to and I express far less emotion.
Most of all, I feel like I cannot trust people. I have not felt much of an emotional attatchment toward anyone or anything since before NWA. I'll make friends, but I don't "bond" with them the same way I did with people I met before the whole experience began.
Just thought I'd like to share my experience as a relatively recent CEDU graduate with everyone.
If anyone wants to get in touch with me my e-mail is zma@colby.edu
Please, though, if you don't have anything good to say don't say it. Flames will be reported to my school and I will block your e-mail address. Otherwise, I'm happy to talk to anyone, particularly any other CEDU graduates that share some of my experience.
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God forbid you report us to Colby. Whatever would I do.
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Wow, there's a lot of flaming of this little forum.
Don't forget that age old adage:
Argueing on the internet is like the special olympics
Even if you win....
You're still retarded
(no offense to the retarded)
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On 2005-09-19 16:13:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Wow, there's a lot of flaming of this little forum.
Don't forget that age old adage:
Argueing on the internet is like the special olympics
Even if you win....
You're still retarded
(no offense to the retarded)"
:skull: That quote's only funny if ye know how to spell ARGUING correctly. Otherwise, ye look jus' as retarded, squiffy. Arrrrgh... :skull:
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Hahaha
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Watch them run, watch the drool, watch them fall into the pool...that's diving! At the special olympics!
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On 2005-09-19 14:18:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hi, I graduated peer group 24 at NWA. I had just heard recently that cedu had shut down and while checking out the facts online, I stumbled upon this webpage. I don't quite know how to pigeon-hole my CEDU experience; in some ways I resent having my highschool years stolen from me, but other times I'm happy about having been there. When I first graduated in May of 2004, I was pretty full of piss and vinegar, but since then I've had a little more time to cool down.
Throughout the program I was labeled "negative" and pretty much got yelled at in RAPS at least once a week. I had the most number of table restrictions out of any of other kids then in attendance by the second half of my "career" and had been on 2 full-times. I had come pretty close to being sent to Ascent twice throughout the program. (Grapes in a Nalgene...) I never cried in propheets and got not one "live" vote from from my uncharacteristically well indoctrinated peer group during the Summit. Graduation was the happiest day of my life. Pochabel's Cannon still puts a smile on my face to this day.
Cedu took me away from my home, my friends and my family, but it also took me away from a lot of drugs and a life that may not have gone anywhere (without a great deal more effort).
After graduating from Northwest Academy, I took a year off to really reflect on what had happened. I did end up doing a lot of drugs during that year, but I also managed to matriculate at Colby College as a freshman this year.
When the interim year approached an end, I was able to turn of the drug use immediately (with manageable withdrawal) - something I'm not sure if I would've been able to do otherwise. I'm currently studying pre-med and have been drug-free since August (well mostly...smoke a little pot now and then and drink like a...well college student). In this respect, I am thankful for the way that things turned out.
However, Cedu did not leave me scratch free. Residual anger, guilt and distrust distance me from my family. I wake up sweating and panicking and thrashing almost every other night. (something that started at the beginning of my NWA experience...fear of escorts perhaps?) I'm very uncomfortable and fidgety around adults; I tend to avoid eye contact with authority, and I'm constantly paranoid about punishment and consequence, even for the smallest offenses. I'm not nearly as carefree as I used to be, nor do I voice my opinions nearly as much. And I'm much more lethargic than I used to and I express far less emotion.
Most of all, I feel like I cannot trust people. I have not felt much of an emotional attatchment toward anyone or anything since before NWA. I'll make friends, but I don't "bond" with them the same way I did with people I met before the whole experience began.
Just thought I'd like to share my experience as a relatively recent CEDU graduate with everyone.
If anyone wants to get in touch with me my e-mail is zma@colby.edu
Please, though, if you don't have anything good to say don't say it. Flames will be reported to my school and I will block your e-mail address. Otherwise, I'm happy to talk to anyone, particularly any other CEDU graduates that share some of my experience. "
I want you to know that there are a lot of people out here who really appreciate you speakiing honestly about your experience. You are not alone. CEDU's marks on me will never go away; they're scars and injuries of the worst kind. The saying "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" doesn't even really hold in the context of this. Regardless, nobody ever needed to be strong to that degree of strength. You never asked for this, it was a kind of rape, of non-consensual forced intimacy, a cruel mindfuck the likes of which very few know for very few can concieve of something of this degree, and those that do are penultimately the ones who have experienced it firsthand and the least equipped to convey it to others in their damage. So again, I appreciate you speaking and there are many others who do as well. Congratulations on your matriculation, and may you remain in college until graduation. I wish you prosperity, and if necessitated, someone who will give you the care or love necessary to truly enjoy and appreciate your life.
Oppositional Defiance
Old soldier of what?
R.I.P. Sage Kiesel 1985-1999; He never had a chance.
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To Woodbury personnel who approve new logins and passwords:
I stumbled across your web site recently. A few years ago, as the mother of a teenager who was having many conduct problems, I enrolledmy son in Rocky Mountain Academy (RMA) and the results were more than his father and I could ever have hoped for. He is now a student at the U of Minnesota, looking at graduate school opportunities, but more than that, he is a happy, aware individual who is connected with those around him. He just spent a college semester abroad in a program that the U of M contracts with in Amsterdam, and since he knew that I would, as a parent, be a little nervous about him being overseas and in that particular location, he set up a web site on which he posted multiple photos and information to keep us in touch with his actitivities and locations.
As a result of our family's experiences at RMA, not only has my son done well, but I was inspired to change my fown field of interest. I was a biologist and MBA ,and on the basis of my RMA interactions with Bill Valentine and with Mel Wasserman in the last Advanced Workshop that he gave at RMA, I entered the field of psychology. I was just granted my Masters' and am working on my Doctorate, and it is my hope to start a school of my own someday, keeping intact the ideas that Mel and his compatriates developed.
So, on this basis, I am very interested in your web site. I have submitted a registration and have been assigned a login (user) name and a password and am waiting to have approval, as I think that I can gain from hearing the concerns of other parents, as well as being able to contribute to the understanding of others on the basis of my own experience with an emotional growth boarding school.
A.S. Hall
Ottawa5@aol.com
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Going on
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: May 28, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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I am the parent of a young man who graduated from RMA in 1999. Being kind of computer-inexperienced, I am not
sure if I can post this, but will try.
Our family's involvement with RMA was nothing but good, my son developed intoa loving, responsible person, and I have changed careers--from an economist to a person studying to become a psychologist--- on the basis of my experiences at the school. I, as a parent, attended the last workshop that Mel Wasserman conducted and for me it was really life-changing.
What shocks me is the "Hate CEDU" sites that I find on the internet--unbelievable to me that others have had such different experiences---are they wrong, dishonest, confused, I ask myself? I have no answer. But I would appreciate the comments of other parents who have had experiences with the CEDU schools, I cannot help but consider these institutions miraculous on the basis of my experience, but I would like to hear from others.
ottawa5@aol.com
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On 2005-09-24 10:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Going on
Anonymous
Unregistered User Posted: May 28, 2004 - 10:30 PM
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I am the parent of a young man who graduated from RMA in 1999. Being kind of computer-inexperienced, I am not
sure if I can post this, but will try.
Our family's involvement with RMA was nothing but good, my son developed intoa loving, responsible person, and I have changed careers--from an economist to a person studying to become a psychologist--- on the basis of my experiences at the school. I, as a parent, attended the last workshop that Mel Wasserman conducted and for me it was really life-changing.
What shocks me is the "Hate CEDU" sites that I find on the internet--unbelievable to me that others have had such different experiences---are they wrong, dishonest, confused, I ask myself? I have no answer. But I would appreciate the comments of other parents who have had experiences with the CEDU schools, I cannot help but consider these institutions miraculous on the basis of my experience, but I would like to hear from others.
ottawa5@aol.com
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Just goes to show how proud these losers are of locking their kids up for the better part of their adolescence.
Oh, the "miracle" of salvation, behind the locked doors of an institutionalized-style program.
Ottawa, your drive-by posts are laughable. I feel sorry for your kid(s) and anyone who falls victim to your self-righteous crappola.
Move on ... you are taking up valuable bandwidth.
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Amen. This lady is a complete whack-job.
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It never ceases to amaze me, this slaughterhousing of innocent children like cows on a conveyor belt.
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Annie (Ottawa5) is trying to open her own private abattoir. Apparently there's not enough processing facilities for teen meat.
She is one SICK individual and the ultimate hypocrite, as said previously.
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Let her. It'll create more opportunities for people to get REVENGE!
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A destructive cult tends to have an ethical double standard. Members are urged to be obedient to the cult, to carefully follow cult rules. They are also encouraged to be revealing and open in the group, confessing all to the leaders. On the other hand, outside the group they are encouraged to act unethically, manipulating outsiders or nonmembers, and either deceiving them or simply revealing very little about themselves or the group. In contrast to destructive cults, honorable groups teach members to abide by one set of ethics and act ethically and truthfully to all people in all situations.
A destructive cult has only two basic purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising. Altruistic movements, established religions, and other honorable groups also recruit and raise funds. However, these actions are incidental to an honorable group's main purpose of improving the lives of its members and of humankind in general. Destructive cults may claim to make social contributions, but in actuality such claims are superficial and only serve as gestures or fronts for recruiting and fund-raising. A cult's real goal is to increase the prestige and often the wealth of the leader.
A destructive cult appears to be innovative and exclusive. The leader claims to be breaking with tradition, offering something novel, and instituting the ONLY viable system for change that will solve life's problems or the world's ills. But these claims are empty and only used to recruit members who are then surreptitiously subjected to mind control to inhibit their ability to examine the actual validity of the claims of the leader and the cult.
A destructive cult is authoritarian in its power structure. The leader is regarded as the supreme authority. He or she may delegate certain power to a few subordinates for the purpose of seeing that members adhere to the leader's wishes. There is no appeal outside his or her system to a greater system of justice. For example, if a schoolteacher feels unjustly treated by a principal, an appeal can be made to the superintendent. In a destructive cult, the leader claims to have the only and final ruling on all matters.
A destructive cult's leader is a self-appointed messianic person claiming to have a special mission in life. For example, leaders of flying saucer cults claim that beings from outer space have commissioned them to lead people away from Earth, so that only the leaders can save them from impending doom.
A destructive cult's leader centers the veneration of members upon himself or herself. Priests, rabbis, ministers, democratic leaders, and other leaders of genuinely altruistic movements focus the veneration of adherents on God or a set of ethical principles. Cult leaders, in contrast, keep the focus of love, devotion, and allegiance on themselves.
A destructive cult's leader tends to be determined, domineering, and charismatic. Such a leader effectively persuades followers to abandon or alter their families, friends, and careers to follow the cult. The leader then takes control over followers' possessions, money, time, and lives.
If you know someone who belongs to a group that demonstrates a significant number of these warning signs and you would like more information on how to deal with destructive cults or mind control, go to http://www.factnet.org (http://www.factnet.org).
Now have a look at Thought Reform Exists
We Strongly recommend that you read the Influence Continuum
We Strongly recommend that you read the CODE OF ETHICS FOR SPIRITUAL GUIDES
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Dysfunction Junction, THANK YOU for letting us know! You did some work here and it is beneficial to those who were wounded by her.
I am MOST concerned to see this. She had talked about it here. There is something very wrong with her, as she spent hours and hours posting in a site that clearly had wounded souls. She had no respect for their hurt, and engaged in juvenile conflicts with them. She hurled insults thinly veiled as intellectual discussion.
As time went by, and people became more angry with her, she escalated her baiting and taunting. I've never seen anything like this from an educated "adult."
Clearly, she was compounding injuries and did not at all recognize the harm she was doing. She commented frequently about how immature people in these posts were - while she was completely lost in conflict with the posters.
This is a particularly insidious form of emotional abuse. She confused some of the posters who were not able to recognize what she was doing. Some became enraged with her - precisely what she was looking for - and then she would slam them for being upset. But SHE had created this! She took on a smug and superior air, further infuriating these people. She did not recognize that some of the rage that she stimulated had been created by CEDU experiences.
She bragged often about being a psychology graduate student - I have no way of knowing if this is true. She had an excellent facility for language - making it all the more difficult for some of our posters to handle her. She would turn anything she wished around, twisting the meaning, and pouncing on the person, pointing out what they said. This was particularly infuriating because she never accurately represented what had been said.
She would ask others questions, and if they did not answer, she attacked. However, she was challenged SEVERAL times to print out all of her posts and present them to her advisor. She never ONCE answered or responded to these challenges. Not one word. The better psychology schools require extensive therapy for each student. Also, behaviors such as hers would be of grave concern to an advisor. Although she claimed to spend ?very little time? in the posts, she produced vast volumes ? by some magic, I suppose.
I am an advisor for doctoral students. If my student presented something like this to me, I would report her to academic affairs and recommend a full psychological evaluation and therapy before she would be allowed to continue in the school. It is possible that a person such as Annie from Minnesota (interesting ? she told us she was in Ottawa, Canada) would be expelled from the university where I am a professor. It happens. These people lose all their tuition money. First and foremost, a psychologist must be mentally healthy. She clearly is not. It is the student?s responsibility to be mentally healthy and fit ? and to rectify it, if possible, if s/he is not fit.
She eventually made threats to posters, prompting me to delete many of my posts. I had been in private practice at CEDU briefly ? it was a very sick place. She then posted that she had printed out my posts, clearly threatening me, and closed with ?have a nice day!? This person is very immature and enjoys power struggles. I think she?s perfect for opening a CEDUesque kind of place.
Keep us posted as to her progress, okay?
On 2005-09-29 16:14:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"Annie (Ottawa5) is trying to open her own private abattoir. Apparently there's not enough processing facilities for teen meat.
She is one SICK individual and the ultimate hypocrite, as said previously.
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You couldn't have described her better, FCT. Thank you.
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Yeah, that was very well put. Definitely appreciated.
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Thanks, guys. I just realized I left something off, so I added it. She consistently ignored requests that she print all her posts out and show them to her advisor. Not one word from her regarding this - only one post about "telling" her advisor she was on the boards and his not having any problem with it. Sure. If I were my student, I would ask to see ALL her posts. If she started to squirm, I would be concerned.
I have edited my post, noting her refusal to answer that challenge. Do you know why she ignored it? Because she knew she had gone over the edge! She was calling posters immature while she HERSELF was in the sandbox with them, very involved in conflict on these boards! Sick, sick woman. I truly hope she does not meet her goal of opening a facility.
On 2005-09-30 22:12:00, dniceo7 wrote:
"Yeah, that was very well put. Definitely appreciated. "
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From Strugglingteens:
Profile for Gentiana
Member Status: Junior Member
Member Number: 4461
Registered: November 11, 2004
Posts: 2
Location: Minnesota
Occupation: psychology doctoral student
Interests: running reading gardening painting
What is your purpose in registering on this Board? (Specifics Please): support for other parents; my son is a successful RMA grad (1999)
email: Ottawa5@aol.com (http://mailto:Ottawa5@aol.com) = Anne Hall = Viscious Troll
What's so great is that she herself posted all of this information on the internet for public consumption. In her smug arrogance she believed she could remain anonymous. Not so, troll, not so.
For some of her better work, examine the threads "KarenInDallas" and "Say Hello to Our Strugglingteens Troll" - very disturbing. On those threads I reposted what she posted from ST and CA where she talks about her wanting to open up a TeenHurt facility.
BTW, FCT, I had a nearly identical experience to yours at Hidden Lake Academy where, not coincidentally, there were CEDU flunkies driving the bus...
If anyone wants to contact her advisor, I would suggest starting with the Psychology faculty at the University of Minnesota. You're likely to find who you're looking for there.
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For such a "brilliant" grad student, good ol' Annie was pretty stupid to think she could lash out at so many people on a highly public internet forum without any repercussions...
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oh! snap. snap. snap.
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Maybe this behavior needs to be reported to the Psych. Licensing board, too?
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Wow. Wow, wow, wow.
Unfortunately,the board won't do anything. They only take complaints from persons who have been personally injured by her while she was functioning in a professional capacity. Also, crimes are of interest. This wouldn't get anything out of them.
Someone could print out all her posts and mail them to the chair of the psychology department at the university...
On 2005-10-01 15:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Maybe this behavior needs to be reported to the Psych. Licensing board, too?"
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I don't advocate taking any action. I think Anne has punished herself enough with the humiliation of exposure.
Anybody who would say the things she has said should be ashamed of themselves.
I find it simply stunning to see exactly how far she was willing go so long as she felt secure in her anonymity.
She clearly exhibits the moral terpitude and ethical bankruptcy requisite for the TeenHurt business.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-02 06:01 ]
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Wow. I'm very imporessed with you!
On 2005-10-02 05:58:00, Dysfunction Junction wrote:
"I don't advocate taking any action. I think Anne has punished herself enough with the humiliation of exposure.
Anybody who would say the things she has said should be ashamed of themselves.
I find it simply stunning to see exactly how far she was willing go so long as she felt secure in her anonymity.
She clearly exhibits the moral terpitude and ethical bankruptcy requisite for the TeenHurt business.
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"Compassion is the basis of morality."
-Arnold Schopenhauer[ This Message was edited by: Dysfunction Junction on 2005-10-02 06:01 ]"
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Well, thank you, FCT.
As I said before, I had relatively the same experience you had working in the "industry." It is not surprising that we have arrived at similar conclusions.
As far as Anne is concerned, her chickens will come home to roost. It's only a matter of time and my intervention surely isn't needed.
People like her rarely succeed in any endeavor that requires human interaction at a meaningful level. I view her as "Ted Bundy Lite," a smooth-operating sociopath.
Take Care,
DJ
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Funny she completely disappeared as soon as her identity was revealed...Guess that's just how it goes when all your attacks hinge on the fact that no one can compare them to the source...
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Hi, I am a Mom who sent her 16 year old, (at the time) to Cedu Ascent for a six week program. I see a lot of negative writings about Cedu but wonder if this applies to Ascent.
My daughter had been at a boarding school considered to be a top Character Based education. Not so, but in any case she did something unacceptable and it was advised by the school that she go to Ascent. Thank goodness ours was a very good experience and my daughter told me it "the experience was the best I ever had." Something must be understood here. My daughter did not have a lot of difficulties nor was she out of control. Maybe this is why Ascent did what it was supposed to do for her. She came out of the program being more confident in her abilities and had better self esteem. The only negative I had about Ascent was there was no follow up with the kids or parents.
On the other hand, the boarding school my daughter went to before and after Ascent did her more harm than good. I learned the danger of putting a child in someone else's care and I regret this very much.
Would love to see some other posts from Ascent graduates.
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Which "boarding school" did she go to?
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You know I hesitate even to bring this stupid threat back. or attention to the stupid jerks who spawned it especially Dysfunction Junction: a more on-target name has seldom been chosen
You idiots. I know the poster you call ottoawa5 PERSONALLY. She actually spoken publically about her experiences posting here a year or two ago so it's no big secret that she did so.
You lunatics are so confused. I know for a fact she hasn't posted here in at least a year and a half. And I know that this dysfunction guy has posted the name and address of some woman who is definitely not the ottawa5 poster
Talk about libel then I check out dysfunction's posts elsewhere on this board, he did the same thing to some woman in Dallas even posting her telephone number
You know people there are limits to freedom of speech. There is behavior that is criminally accountable. I hope nothing happens to either of these women because Dysfunctional is an ass who jumps to conclusions/makes up things/ hallucinates. But if something did happen to them I hope to hell the police take this idiot into custody and throw away the key. And that he gets sued so all that's left for him is his pimply computer-glued ass
I see looking around this board there is already a lawsuit (Elan) targeting perpetrators like Dys. Maybe I ought to contact both the women he's slandered and see if they want to join It would serve him the fuck right
The woman you call ottawa would tell me to forget it so would her family I know these people. They do more good in one day I bet than any of the lousy posters here do in a lifetime or so.
But me I've got a sense of justice, I'd really like to see people like DJ pay when they mess with good people that way
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nice try anon, but i've done the research, and it proves conclusively that ottawa 5 is indeed anne hall, of minneappolis, minnesota.
now i'm going to find out who you are...hahaha!!! :evil:
by the way, i'm not dysfunction junction.
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Look, Ottawa generates a large reaction from many of us. At first, some of us engaged in thoughtful discussion, wanting to know specifically what tools and aspects of CEDU were educationally and therapeutically beneficial. She never could deliver. Meanwhile, many posters, such as myself, gave sincere and explicit examples of how the therapeutic methods of these schools were not only unethical, but harmful. We discussed exactly how the environment at CEDU promoted abuse, bullying, and isolation or manipulation to the extent you could not really develop emotional well being. We gave solid examples of coersion, lack of individuated support, and in fact, blatant deception. Moreover, tehere was an unhealthy lack of boundaries between staff and students. (This is a very short list.) Ottawa could care less. She acted as if the more specific, horrific stories never occurred, when it was systemic.
Sure, she was intelligent and articulate, but she was also cold blooded and blind, completely blind, to our avalanche of personal stories. Some of these strories were truly horrific and she acted as if they never happened. I liken it to a rape victim being told she was never raped.
We kept giving her opportunties to discuss the SPECIFIC aspects of the program that helped, and she never did. She just reiterated that her son is successful now.
She did talk of her own personal Dreams experience that was helpful. Dreams is a propheet. But the parent version of these workshops are watered down and sanitized. Also, the impressionable teen age psyche should not be barraged by this type of highly manipulative, intense experimental cultic therapy.
Well, there are many people who criticize the program and have a successful resume, are married with kids, but still deal with the more deleterious apsects of the cultic program.
I guess we were turned off by her total dismissal of our experiences (without even addressing them), as if we were lying. We already dealt with that attitude at CEDU. The funny thing was a lot of kids were under such constant pressure by CEDU's inaccurate prtrayal of them, they were badgered into admitting things they had never done, and then punished for a crime that never happened. Some of the experiences were hardcore traumatic, and she didn't give a shit. All she cared about was her son was "saved."
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Anne Hall aka Ottawa5 aka moose cock lover isn't even worth a second thought. She may be articulate, she may be well-educated, but she's far from inteliigent.
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I know her personally, too. This person here is lying. "Ottawa" is intelligent, ignorant, gifted with words, and cold-hearted. Also, many of us who know her definitely know that something is amiss. I mean there is SERIOUSLY something wrong with her - it's her personality. This woman is sick and she believes she's God's answer to everything.
I know her through a professional contact - I do not wish to say more.
On 2005-11-14 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You know I hesitate even to bring this stupid threat back. or attention to the stupid jerks who spawned it especially Dysfunction Junction: a more on-target name has seldom been chosen
You idiots. I know the poster you call ottoawa5 PERSONALLY. She actually spoken publically about her experiences posting here a year or two ago so it's no big secret that she did so.
You lunatics are so confused. I know for a fact she hasn't posted here in at least a year and a half. And I know that this dysfunction guy has posted the name and address of some woman who is definitely not the ottawa5 poster
Talk about libel then I check out dysfunction's posts elsewhere on this board, he did the same thing to some woman in Dallas even posting her telephone number
You know people there are limits to freedom of speech. There is behavior that is criminally accountable. I hope nothing happens to either of these women because Dysfunctional is an ass who jumps to conclusions/makes up things/ hallucinates. But if something did happen to them I hope to hell the police take this idiot into custody and throw away the key. And that he gets sued so all that's left for him is his pimply computer-glued ass
I see looking around this board there is already a lawsuit (Elan) targeting perpetrators like Dys. Maybe I ought to contact both the women he's slandered and see if they want to join It would serve him the fuck right
The woman you call ottawa would tell me to forget it so would her family I know these people. They do more good in one day I bet than any of the lousy posters here do in a lifetime or so.
But me I've got a sense of justice, I'd really like to see people like DJ pay when they mess with good people that way"
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On 2005-11-14 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You know I hesitate even to bring this stupid threat back. or attention to the stupid jerks who spawned it especially Dysfunction Junction: a more on-target name has seldom been chosen
You idiots. I know the poster you call ottoawa5 PERSONALLY. She actually spoken publically about her experiences posting here a year or two ago so it's no big secret that she did so.
You lunatics are so confused. I know for a fact she hasn't posted here in at least a year and a half. And I know that this dysfunction guy has posted the name and address of some woman who is definitely not the ottawa5 poster
Talk about libel then I check out dysfunction's posts elsewhere on this board, he did the same thing to some woman in Dallas even posting her telephone number
You know people there are limits to freedom of speech. There is behavior that is criminally accountable. I hope nothing happens to either of these women because Dysfunctional is an ass who jumps to conclusions/makes up things/ hallucinates. But if something did happen to them I hope to hell the police take this idiot into custody and throw away the key. And that he gets sued so all that's left for him is his pimply computer-glued ass
I see looking around this board there is already a lawsuit (Elan) targeting perpetrators like Dys. Maybe I ought to contact both the women he's slandered and see if they want to join It would serve him the fuck right
The woman you call ottawa would tell me to forget it so would her family I know these people. They do more good in one day I bet than any of the lousy posters here do in a lifetime or so.
But me I've got a sense of justice, I'd really like to see people like DJ pay when they mess with good people that way"
Whew. Where to start...?
Your "facts" are a bit off the mark here, anon.
First, I never published anyone's address or phone number: nobody in Dallas and not Ottawa's.
Second, publishing that PUBLICLY AVAILABLE information is in no way, shape or form criminal or tortious.
Third, you are incorrect about Ottawa5. Her name is publicly available, as she made it so.
Fourth, I never posted her address or phone number, although I have both.
Fifth, I am a network engineer by trade and I traced her IP address (kindly attached to her posts and stored by StrugllingParents) to a broadband cable company in Minneapolis, MN for which the account owner is "Anne Hall" from Minneapolis.
She registered her AOL screenname, "Ottawa5@aol.com," under the name "Anne Hall." She posted as "Gentiana" with the contact email of "Ottawa5@aol.com" on the CEDU alumni site and registered her profile as "Anne Hall" from Minneapolis, MN. She has also posted under the name "Gentiana" at StrugglingParents with her email address listed as "Ottawa5@aol.com."
In addition, a fornits poster who is friends with her son who went to RMA has confirmed the aforementioned facts.
So, you can say what you will, but you are clearly proven wrong.
Anne Hall=Ottawa5=Ottawa5@aol.com=Gentiana.
Like it or not, it is what it is. Don't get mad at me because this whacked-out freak isn't smart enough to conceal her identity on the internet.
Have a great day.
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Another lying baghead pinched in lie. I bet it was Anne herself who posted that. Funny how the poster used the word "threat" instead of "thread." Freudian slip, Annie?
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It was - she tried to disguise herself with the sloppy writing. She is big on trying to figure out who is whom by their writing style.
Ooohhh - I used "whom" properly. Let's see if this gets her trying to guess who I am!! What fun for her! I think she spent hours looking over posts tryint to identify posters! It's soooo nice to know that such a mature and sophisticated person is getting a degree in psychology! That is, if she's not lying about THAT, too...
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Yes, this is Annie. No doubt.
1) She's angry and defensive. That's Annie.
2) She is bringing up legal issues - Annie again. Remember, guys?
3) She used pop-psych observances - the observation of Dysfunction's name and use of the word "hallucinate."
4) Idealizing Ottawa - saying she would tell this person would say to "forget it" and talking about all the good they do. Yeah, like the good Annie did rubbing salt into people's wounds here.
This is Annie, folks. No doubt about it. She's trying to look like someone else by making writing errors - remember how focused she was on writing styles?
Crawl back under your rock, Annie. We don't need you here. I hope to GOD you're lying about going to school and you are never given responsibility for any kids. You're too sick.
On 2005-11-14 18:14:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You know I hesitate even to bring this stupid threat back. or attention to the stupid jerks who spawned it especially Dysfunction Junction: a more on-target name has seldom been chosen
You idiots. I know the poster you call ottoawa5 PERSONALLY. She actually spoken publically about her experiences posting here a year or two ago so it's no big secret that she did so.
You lunatics are so confused. I know for a fact she hasn't posted here in at least a year and a half. And I know that this dysfunction guy has posted the name and address of some woman who is definitely not the ottawa5 poster
Talk about libel then I check out dysfunction's posts elsewhere on this board, he did the same thing to some woman in Dallas even posting her telephone number
You know people there are limits to freedom of speech. There is behavior that is criminally accountable. I hope nothing happens to either of these women because Dysfunctional is an ass who jumps to conclusions/makes up things/ hallucinates. But if something did happen to them I hope to hell the police take this idiot into custody and throw away the key. And that he gets sued so all that's left for him is his pimply computer-glued ass
I see looking around this board there is already a lawsuit (Elan) targeting perpetrators like Dys. Maybe I ought to contact both the women he's slandered and see if they want to join It would serve him the fuck right
The woman you call ottawa would tell me to forget it so would her family I know these people. They do more good in one day I bet than any of the lousy posters here do in a lifetime or so.
But me I've got a sense of justice, I'd really like to see people like DJ pay when they mess with good people that way"
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Jesus, what are you people going on and on about! I thought this was a place to discuss our issues with CEDU, not belittle everyone who posts! Get back to the subject and quit messing around.
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Shutup dumbass, what'd you find this site for the first time a few minutes ago? They're talking about Annie Hall, who attacked just about every decent poster around here for a few months until her identity was traced and revealed, and she crawled back under the rock that is her life. I'd explain it all to you, but you're a dumbass, so it probably wouldn't make sense anyways. Basically, if there's one person who deserves to be belittled around here, it's her.
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Yes, by their fruits shall you know them...
On 2005-11-15 07:59:00, shanlea wrote:
"Look, Ottawa generates a large reaction from many of us. At first, some of us engaged in thoughtful discussion, wanting to know specifically what tools and aspects of CEDU were educationally and therapeutically beneficial. She never could deliver. Meanwhile, many posters, such as myself, gave sincere and explicit examples of how the therapeutic methods of these schools were not only unethical, but harmful. We discussed exactly how the environment at CEDU promoted abuse, bullying, and isolation or manipulation to the extent you could not really develop emotional well being. We gave solid examples of coersion, lack of individuated support, and in fact, blatant deception. Moreover, tehere was an unhealthy lack of boundaries between staff and students. (This is a very short list.) Ottawa could care less. She acted as if the more specific, horrific stories never occurred, when it was systemic.
Sure, she was intelligent and articulate, but she was also cold blooded and blind, completely blind, to our avalanche of personal stories. Some of these strories were truly horrific and she acted as if they never happened. I liken it to a rape victim being told she was never raped.
We kept giving her opportunties to discuss the SPECIFIC aspects of the program that helped, and she never did. She just reiterated that her son is successful now.
She did talk of her own personal Dreams experience that was helpful. Dreams is a propheet. But the parent version of these workshops are watered down and sanitized. Also, the impressionable teen age psyche should not be barraged by this type of highly manipulative, intense experimental cultic therapy.
Well, there are many people who criticize the program and have a successful resume, are married with kids, but still deal with the more deleterious apsects of the cultic program.
I guess we were turned off by her total dismissal of our experiences (without even addressing them), as if we were lying. We already dealt with that attitude at CEDU. The funny thing was a lot of kids were under such constant pressure by CEDU's inaccurate prtrayal of them, they were badgered into admitting things they had never done, and then punished for a crime that never happened. Some of the experiences were hardcore traumatic, and she didn't give a shit. All she cared about was her son was "saved."
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What the hell is your problem!? You're going to call me names? There isn't any need for that. Come on! Some people probably want to talk about what happened to them while at CEDU and all you can do is make fun of them? No wonder you ended up where you did. If all you can do is poke fun of people who want to talk about their issues associated with CEDU, well then maybe you should go elsewhere becuase I'm sick of having to read such hateful remarks.
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You really are a dumbass. I talk about my experience at CEDU around here all the time. I've posted genuine, sincere, thoughtful, and generally helpful posts here for almost a year now. I've helped others make sense of their experience, and others have helped me make sense of my experience. So who the hell are you to come on here and judge me? No wonder I ended up where I did? You stood up for Annie Hall, you deserve to be called names. And the worst part is you didn't even realize what you were doing. You just thought you were so high and mighty that you knew exactly what was up and could just tell everyone how it is. So yeah, you're a dumbass, and I'm standing by that.
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Where'd they teach you foul language like that? Some Vietnamese whore house. "Me love you long time!" Go sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
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Man you just get more brilliant by the second. Ass and hell? Where'd I learn language like that? I think by the time I was 8 I had heard it on TV a million times.
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Like I said: If you want to belittle people, start your own post. Start a post that's specifically for making fun of people. That way everyone who wants to be made a fool of can go there a do as they please. OK? Think you can do that? Think there is a drop of compassionate blood in your body or are you going to make fun of me for my respectful request?
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No, I won't honor your respectful request. Again, Annie Hall is scum and should be belittled in every post that her name is mentioned, and a couple times in posts where she is not just for good measure. If there is a post about breakfast bread at bca, there should be at least one comment about how pathetic Annie Hall is. Is this getting through to you yet? I pray it is...there's not much hope for you if it isn't.
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No, it's not getting through to me! I don't get it! What's you major malfuction? You want to make fun of someone? You want to call someone out? You want to call this Annie Hall person out? DO IT IN ANOHTER POST! START A FRESH POST DEDICATED JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE! I don't think there's much hope for you if you can't do that.
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God damn, you're just as thick as they come. You still don't get it. This isn't some dumb lady that I have a personal problem with. I'm not even the one who called her out in this post, dumbass. My very first post was the one calling you a dumbass for the first time. Annie attacked so many people around here, many on a personal level, and her son (or possibly just her pretending to rallly support for herself) came around spewing shit about raping people's wives and shit like that.
Now you're just starting to annoy me. Telling me to start another post? Again, who the fuck are you? Start another post, huh? How about this for you.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=11&61 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6131&forum=11&61)
Ottawa = Annie Hall
And, well, how about this one?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 5&forum=11 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6415&forum=11)
My point is, you ignorant motherfucker, that so many posts have been dedicated to Annie Hall being a piece of shit that it would be pointless to start a new one. Therefore, when her and her split personalities pop up to bash on someone new, everyone who has been personally offended by her step up and put her in her place.
Keep on supporting Annie Hall and maybe we can dedicate a few posts about sucking moose cock to you too.
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On 2005-11-22 14:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, it's not getting through to me! I don't get it! What's you major malfuction? You want to make fun of someone? You want to call someone out? You want to call this Annie Hall person out? DO IT IN ANOHTER POST! START A FRESH POST DEDICATED JUST FOR THAT PURPOSE! I don't think there's much hope for you if you can't do that. "
Buddy the last 6 pages of this thread are myriad people posting about their disgust in Ottawa aka anne hall. It all starts on the bottom of page 2 if you'd like to see for yourself. I'm seriously struggling to see how you can justify coming in on page 6 and telling people to get back to the subject. This post was started back in July but anne herself brought it back up recently. Looks to me like the natural flow of the thread led right into it. If you want to talk about your issues with cedu by all means YOU go start another post.[ This Message was edited by: dniceo7 on 2005-11-22 19:05 ]
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I started this thread. There was speculation about my identity, and people asked me. If it means anything, I am perfectly okay with how this thread has shifted - that's the way Internet threads work. You end up in a completely different place than where you started.
Ottawa was spectaculary offensive to everyone here - me included. She disrespected genuine expressions of pain from CEDU survisors. She stomped on people, took on a superior air, and made threats. She caused harm here.
This is what you are seeing. This is a part of the anger expressed regarding her. Her behavior was like pouring lemon juice on a burn patient. It was horrible, destructive, and to some of these posters, confusing.
I found her to be a despicable person who appears to enjoy inflicting pain on others. I truly pity anyone she has any responsibility for. She is a sick woman.[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2005-11-22 23:09 ]
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On 2005-11-22 18:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"God damn, you're just as thick as they come. You still don't get it. This isn't some dumb lady that I have a personal problem with. I'm not even the one who called her out in this post, dumbass. My very first post was the one calling you a dumbass for the first time. Annie attacked so many people around here, many on a personal level, and her son (or possibly just her pretending to rallly support for herself) came around spewing shit about raping people's wives and shit like that.
Now you're just starting to annoy me. Telling me to start another post? Again, who the fuck are you? Start another post, huh? How about this for you.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... orum=11&61 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6131&forum=11&61)
Ottawa = Annie Hall
And, well, how about this one?
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 5&forum=11 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=6415&forum=11)
My point is, you ignorant motherfucker, that so many posts have been dedicated to Annie Hall being a piece of shit that it would be pointless to start a new one. Therefore, when her and her split personalities pop up to bash on someone new, everyone who has been personally offended by her step up and put her in her place.
Keep on supporting Annie Hall and maybe we can dedicate a few posts about sucking moose cock to you too. "
Fuck you!
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Fuck you? Damn, that was rough. Just ran out of things to say huh.
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Fuck you!!
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Guys, this isn't needed - discussing Ottawa and what a pathological jerk she is is fine. C'mon - you don't even know who each other is.
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Fuck you too!
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I knew Ottawa's son when I was at RMA. Ottawa can come on here and rattle on about how successful he is but the truth is he is the pathological one. He is a complete mess and destined for nothing. I love the part she wrote about him setting up the website so she would know he wasn't immersing himself in Amsterdam's counterculture. Is she serious? Is it that easy to pull the wool over her eyes? She can hype up her academic "achievements" all she wants. She's a terrible parent and it's getting tiring having her come around here and take that out on us.
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I'm tired of listening to ass holes ramble on about nothing.
That reminds me of the song "Ramble On" (Singing in my head...) "Ramble On!" da da da da da da "Ramble on" Yeah Led Zeppelin rules.
But you're all still losers!
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Sad that you can't even hear yourself rambling. You post here just as much as the rest of us. More!
So fuck you too bitch.
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Yes, good. Fuck me too! OK, now we're getting somewhere! Fuck me! What a revelation. It's amazing that we can finally come up with such superb results from such little detail. Now, fuck me, is that statistically significant? Is that 95% or 99% accurate? Can you say with 95% confidence that the answer "Fuck You too bitch" is correct? If not, that response is not statistically significant. What measures did you use? Tau? Gamma? Chi-Squared? You must show your work for your answer to be considered correct. Next time show your work.
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Yeah dude, Cliff Brown Rules! Although he pitts out during class like a mother fucker. But he, and O'Doyle, rule!
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Dog fucked the pope, no fault of mine!
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Watch out!...Why money? My name is Brinks; I was born...Born? Get sheep over side...Women and children over to armored car...Orders from Captain Zeep.
Ah, devil ether. It makes you behave like the village drunkard in some early Irish novel...Total loss of all basic motor skills; blurred vision, no balance, numb tounge. The mind recoils in horror, unable to communicate with the spinial collumn. Which is interesting, because you can actually watch yourself behave in this terrible way, but you can't control it. Ether is the perfect drug for Las Vegas. In this town they love a drunk. Fresh meat. So they put us through the turnstyles and turned us loose inside.
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A drug person can learn to handle things like seeing their dead grandmother crawling up their leg with a knife in her teeth, but no one should be asked to handle this trip.
Want to explain CEDU to people? Just say that shit.
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TEMA & ABORRECIENDO EN LAS VEGAS
por
La felpa Gilliam & Juguetea Grisoni
PANTALLA NEGRA
Un viento del desierto geme tristemente. De en algún lugar dentro del viento viene los sonidos tilines y
almibarado-dulces de las Hermanas de Lennon que cantan "Mis Cosas Favoritas." Una serie de imágenes sepia de
protestas pacifistas de los medio-sesenta aparece uno después de otro en la pantalla.
En el estilo violentamente garabateado de Ralph Steadman, el TEMOR del título Y ABORRECIENDO EN salpicadura de
LAS VEGAS en la pantalla. Un golpe, y entonces se gasta y revelando lejos:
El TITULO: "quien hace una bestia de él mismo se Deshace del dolor De es un hombre." Dr. Johnson
La VOZ DE CAZADOR S. THOMPSON -- un. K. un. RAOUL DUQUE:
DUQUE (V/O) estábamos en algún lugar alrededor de Barstow al borde del desierto cuando las drogas comenzaron a
tomar el asidero.
¡AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Un Chevy rojo convertible -- EL TIBURON ROJO -- enjuga la pantalla negra.
EXT. EN EL CAMINO A LAS VEGAS - DIA
¡AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
EL TIBURON ROJO compite abajo la carretera del desierto en cien millas por hora. LAS PIEDRAS "la Simpatía Para
el Diablo" proclama.
EN LA RUEDA
EXTRAÑAMENTE TODAVIA Y TENSO, RAOUL DUQUE MANEJA -- ESQUELETICO, la CERVEZA EN la MANO -- las MIRADAS FIJAS
DERECHO ADELANTE.
AL LADO DE EL, la CARA GIRO AL SOL, los OJOS CERRARON DETRAS DE GAFAS DE SOL españolas ENVOLVENTES, SON SU
ABOGADO ATEZADA Y DESCONCERTAR IMPREVISIBLE, DR. GONZO.
La música golpea las miradas fijas de DUQUE derecho adelante. GONZO espumar arriba una lata de cerveza - lo
utiliza afeitándose como espuma.
DUQUE (V/O) recuerdo diciendo algo como: "yo me siento un poco aturdido. Quizá usted debe manejar. .."
GONZO empieza a afeitar. 2.
DUQUE (V/O) había de repente un rugido terrible por todas partes nosotros y el cielo estaba repleto de lo que
se pareció a inmenso batea, todo abatiendo y chillando y zambulliendo alrededor del coche..
Cierre en DUQUE -- sombras revolotean a través de su cara. Las reflejos de batea remolino dentro de sus ojos.
¡Empujamos en el fin a una pelota del ojo -- CHILLANDO ARREMOLINAR las FORMAS de BATEA-COMO!
¡AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
¡DUQUE (V/O)... y una voz chillaba: Jesús Santo! ¿Qué es estos animales malditos?
CORTE para DISPARAR LEJOS DE COCHE -
DUQUE, los ojos rígidos, desgranan en el aire. No batea dondequiera. GONZO mira casualmente sobre..
¿GONZO lo que usted grita acerca de?
El PATO CHILLA al lado del camino. La llave inglesa repentina hace GONZO mella su cara con su navaja.
DUQUE nunca mente. Le toca a usted manejar.
DUQUE (V/O) no punto que menciona éstos batea. Pensé. El bastardo pobre los verá pronto bastante.
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Folks, please....
This is Ottawa's work here. Maybe we should ignore her. She's not mentally healthy enough for any of us to invest time on her.
On 2005-11-23 12:35:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yes, good. Fuck me too! OK, now we're getting somewhere! Fuck me! What a revelation. It's amazing that we can finally come up with such superb results from such little detail. Now, fuck me, is that statistically significant? Is that 95% or 99% accurate? Can you say with 95% confidence that the answer "Fuck You too bitch" is correct? If not, that response is not statistically significant. What measures did you use? Tau? Gamma? Chi-Squared? You must show your work for your answer to be considered correct. Next time show your work. "
[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2005-11-23 15:17 ]
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How do you do it? Just when I think nothing that happens at fornits could be a surprise, you people go to a new level.
To Dysfunction Junction and his fellow posters: you are completely, completely wrong in this whole conspiracy/obsurdity that you've concocted around the identity of ottawa5
I should know: I am the person who originally posted as ottawa5. This whole tragi-comedy was recently brought to my attention by someone I know who still pursues these pages. I myself gave it even looking at this site well over a year ago.
I gave up on the site entirely because 1)I had gotten the info I wanted on the type of student that fails or is failed by an emotional growth school and 2) I was convinced to my satisfaction that no good could come out of trying to reason with people who did not want to be reasonable: that was most if not all of the habitual posters here.
This is not about suing anyone. There is no cause of action that I can see in Dysfunctional or other claiming that I am Annie Hall, the Easter Bunny or other assorted reality misses. After all, this site can't damage anyone: it's a chat room, and no one is likely to take anything said here seriously, so how can it be libellous? So talking about the legalities isn't my interest in bothering to post at this time.
I just wanted, when I heard about this latest nonsense in a long string of assorted nonsense at this site to make a few points that could enlighten a few of you chronics. First point is that you can't ID anyone from a computer: all you can say is that someone posted from a certain computer or someone posted using a certain person's information. Perhaps that's what happened here: maybe somebody has been posting as me: I haven't the time or the interest in going through this board to sort it out. I don't even own the same computer that I used when I was posting here. My best guess is that Dysfunctional and possibly Ginger are playing some kind of game with you all but I don't know that. It ain't me babe, that's all I know for sure
Have a nice life, I'm done with you
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you're done with us again? for the 100th time? no you'll be back, we're sure of it. you have a an addiction...a SICKNESS!
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HA HA HA HA!!!! Annie, you are a hoot!! Oh, GOD - I needed a laugh!!!
What a fucking liar! This broad is sick, sick, sick. She's parading as an anonymous poster, and now claiming someone told her about this...
Oh, boy! My sides hurt!
On 2005-11-27 14:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do you do it? Just when I think nothing that happens at fornits could be a surprise, you people go to a new level.
To Dysfunction Junction and his fellow posters: you are completely, completely wrong in this whole conspiracy/obsurdity that you've concocted around the identity of ottawa5
I should know: I am the person who originally posted as ottawa5. This whole tragi-comedy was recently brought to my attention by someone I know who still pursues these pages. I myself gave it even looking at this site well over a year ago.
I gave up on the site entirely because 1)I had gotten the info I wanted on the type of student that fails or is failed by an emotional growth school and 2) I was convinced to my satisfaction that no good could come out of trying to reason with people who did not want to be reasonable: that was most if not all of the habitual posters here.
This is not about suing anyone. There is no cause of action that I can see in Dysfunctional or other claiming that I am Annie Hall, the Easter Bunny or other assorted reality misses. After all, this site can't damage anyone: it's a chat room, and no one is likely to take anything said here seriously, so how can it be libellous? So talking about the legalities isn't my interest in bothering to post at this time.
I just wanted, when I heard about this latest nonsense in a long string of assorted nonsense at this site to make a few points that could enlighten a few of you chronics. First point is that you can't ID anyone from a computer: all you can say is that someone posted from a certain computer or someone posted using a certain person's information. Perhaps that's what happened here: maybe somebody has been posting as me: I haven't the time or the interest in going through this board to sort it out. I don't even own the same computer that I used when I was posting here. My best guess is that Dysfunctional and possibly Ginger are playing some kind of game with you all but I don't know that. It ain't me babe, that's all I know for sure
Have a nice life, I'm done with you"
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Leave Annie alone!!!! She is my most valued minion! Shame on you ALL!! You will ALL burn in HELL!!! Leave my love goddess alone!!!
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I don't understand why you are all so hard on Annie. You are all immature, insecure, and I'm not going to waste my time on you. Annie is a wonderful person who has decided to dedicate her life to helping troubled adolescents.
I have been printing out all of your slanderous posts and will be presenting them to her. It is not right for you to treat such a wonderful woman in this way. I'm sure that this week she'll be talking to her attorney - printouts in hand.
Have a nice day!
:wave:
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Then I won't hesitate to release those home vid's of her getting pissed on in college.
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You people are so awful. Annie is the closest thing to a saint that I hvae ever seen. She is the sweetest, most wonderful, most understanding person in the world. If you don't recognize that, there is something seriously amiss with you.
She came to these posts to learn and to be helpful. If you could not be helped by her, there is something wrong with you guys. All she wants to do is recreate CEDU so she can save lives and all you want to do is destroy her.
I can only pray that some day I will be as wonderful, understanding, sweet, kind, and dear as she is. She is brilliant, kind, and the best person I have ever known. You all are mean and spiteful. We are so fortunate that she wants to use her many gifts to change the world.
I've printed out all of your posts and we'll just see how superior you feel when you hear from her attorney!
Have a nice day!
:wave:
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If the Pigs were gathering in
Vegas, I felt the Drug Culture
should be represented as well...
and there was a certain bent appeal
in the notion of running a savage
burn on one Las Vegas hotel and
then just wheeling across town and
checking into another.
Me and a thousand ranking cops from
all over America. Why not? Move
confidently into their midst.
What do you mean I'm too late to
register? I'm a police chief.
From Michigan. Look, fella, I told
you.
I have a postcard here that says I
have reservations in this hotel.
You dirty little faggot! Call the
manager! I'm tired of listening to
this dogshit!
Listen, you fuzzy little shithead --
I've been fucked around, in my
time, by a fairly good cross-
section of mean-tempered rule-crazy
cops and now it's MY turn. "Fuck
you, officer, I'm in charge here,
and I'm telling you we don't have
room for you." We have to cut her loose. She's
got two hundred dollars. And we
can always call the cops up there
in Montana, where she lives, and
turn her in.
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On 2005-11-28 03:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You people are so awful. Annie is the closest thing to a saint that I hvae ever seen. She is the sweetest, most wonderful, most understanding person in the world. If you don't recognize that, there is something seriously amiss with you.
She came to these posts to learn and to be helpful. If you could not be helped by her, there is something wrong with you guys. All she wants to do is recreate CEDU so she can save lives and all you want to do is destroy her.
I can only pray that some day I will be as wonderful, understanding, sweet, kind, and dear as she is. She is brilliant, kind, and the best person I have ever known. You all are mean and spiteful. We are so fortunate that she wants to use her many gifts to change the world.
I've printed out all of your posts and we'll just see how superior you feel when you hear from her attorney!
Have a nice day!
:wave: "
fuck you, stupid. do you think you're the only moron to threaten a lawsuit over this stuff? your frivolity will meet the same end.
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On 2005-11-27 22:22:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Then I won't hesitate to release those home vid's of her getting pissed on in college. "
I've seen that one! the one where annie's gettin' gangbanged from 5 directions and then tie her to the bedpost and just let the floodgates open. when I was at rma I snuck a copy on campus. used to sneak into one of the classrooms every once in awhile, pop in ol' annie's tape, and rub out a mean nut. who needed those nasty cedu girls when I had annie getting pissed on to keep me company.
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Please tell me that this video business is bullshit. It doesn't even make sense; she didn't go to RMA. Her son did. I don't even like her, but this is just plain mean.
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I didn't say she went to RMA. I did. And when I needed to jerk off, I'd just break out her video which I snuck on campus. Who knows what college she was at when they filmed it. Probably some shithole. Same place she got her wannabe juco psych degree.
I'll dub you a copy if you want. She gets splashed in the face hard, you'll love it.
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But here's the problem. That
bastard cashed a bad check
downstairs and gave you as a
reference. They'll be looking for
both of you. Yeah, I know, but you
can't judge a book by its cover,
Lucy. Some people are just
basically rotten... Anyway, the
last thing you want to do is call
this hotel again; they'll trace the
call and put you straight behind
bars... no, I'm moving to the
Tropicana right away. I have to
go, they've got the phone tapped.
Yeah, I know, it was horrible, but
it's all over now... OH MY GOD!
THEY'RE KICKING THE DOOR DOWN! No! Get away from me! I'm innocent!
It was Duke! I swear to God!
No, I don't know where she is.
You'll never catch Lucy! She's
gone! I swear, I don't know where
she is! DON'T PUT THAT THING ON ME! Well. That's that. She's probably
stuffing herself down the
incinerator about now. That's the
last we should be hearing from Lucy. Where's the opium? I remember slumping on the bed, his
performance had given me a bad jolt.
For a moment I thought his mind had
snapped -- that he actually believed
he was being attacked by invisible
enemies. But the room was quiet
again.
Jesus... what kind of monster
client have you picked up this time?
There's only one source for this
stuff -- the adrenaline gland from
a living human body!I know, but the guy didn't have any
cash to pay me. He's one of these
Satanism freaks. He offered me
human blood -- said it would take
me higher than I've ever been in my
life. I thought he was kidding, so I told
him I'd just as soon have an ounce
or so of pure adrenochrome -- or
maybe just a fresh adrenaline gland
to chew on.
I could already feel the stuff
working on me -- the first wave
felt like a combination of mescaline
and methedrine -- maybe I should
take a swim, I thought... Yeah, they nailed this guy for
child molesting. He swore he
didn't do it. "Why should I fuck
with children?" he says. "They're
too small." Christ, werewolf is
entitled to legal counsel. I
didn't dare turn the creep down.
He might have picked up a letter
opener and gone after my pineal
gland!FINISH THE FUCKING STORY! What
happened?! What about the glands? What kind of rat-bastard psychotic
would play that song -- right now,
at this moment?
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shutup queer
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On 2005-11-28 03:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You people are so awful. Annie is the closest thing to a saint that I hvae ever seen. She is the sweetest, most wonderful, most understanding person in the world. If you don't recognize that, there is something seriously amiss with you.
She came to these posts to learn and to be helpful. If you could not be helped by her, there is something wrong with you guys. All she wants to do is recreate CEDU so she can save lives and all you want to do is destroy her.
I can only pray that some day I will be as wonderful, understanding, sweet, kind, and dear as she is. She is brilliant, kind, and the best person I have ever known. You all are mean and spiteful. We are so fortunate that she wants to use her many gifts to change the world.
I've printed out all of your posts and we'll just see how superior you feel when you hear from her attorney!
Have a nice day!
:wave: "
a saint who gets pissed on, on tape, for cash money. good camerawork in that movie though. captures her emotion. i think her daughter co starred
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Sorry - I was posting sarcastically as her defender. The last two posts about how wonderful she is were me. However, all the other "anonymous" was not me. Frankly, I think those posts were Annie herself pretending to be defending her. I believe she's here - I tried to make it obvious that I was being sarcastic, but I failed. What does that tell you? That tells you that Annie and her friends are such nut-jobs that no matter how extreme you make it, it actually looks like them! Wow. What assholes.
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Haha yeah man, a worthy stab at a funny joke, but Annie has popped up so many times under so many names, so many bag-heads, and using so many different writing styles that it's turned into a witchhunt. Fortunately, it's an easy witchhunt, because Annie is such a miserable person that anyone who seriously stands up for her is obviously her.
It did cross my mind that you weren't actually Annie though. No matter how hard she tries, the way to always tell if it's Annie is if it looks like the person who wrote the post was sitting there with a thesauraus the whole time trying to make themselves sound like an intellect.
KarenInDallas, Ottawa1-5, gentiana, Annie Hall - I know you're reading this. I just ordered my own copy of your college piss tape, can't wait to see you polish off the psych professor in the final scene!
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Oh, god - you're funny! What great points you make! Sitting there with a thesaurus! Ha, ha, ha!! Oh, that is HER!!!!
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A way out west there was a fella,
fella I want to tell you about, fella
by the name of Jeff Lebowski. At
least, that was the handle his lovin'
parents gave him, but he never had
much use for it himself. This
Lebowski, he called himself the Dude.
Now, Dude, that's a name no one would
self-apply where I come from. But
then, there was a lot about the Dude
that didn't make a whole lot of sense
to me. And a lot about where he
lived, like- wise. But then again,
maybe that's why I found the place
s'durned innarestin'.
They call Los Angeles the City of
Angels. I didn't find it to be that
exactly, but I'll allow as there are
some nice folks there. 'Course, I
can't say I seen London, and I never
been to France, and I ain't never
seen no queen in her damn undies as
the fella says. But I'll tell you
what, after seeing Los Angeles and
thisahere story I'm about to unfold--
wal, I guess I seen somethin' ever'
bit as stupefyin' as ya'd see in any
a those other places, and in English
too, so I can die with a smile on my
face without feelin' like the good
Lord gypped me.
Now this story I'm about to unfold
took place back in the early nineties--
just about the time of our conflict
with Sad'm and the Eye-rackies. I
only mention it 'cause some- times
there's a man--I won't say a hee-ro,
'cause what's a hee-ro?--but sometimes
there's a man.And I'm talkin' about the Dude here--
sometimes there's a man who, wal,
he's the man for his time'n place,
he fits right in there--and that's
the Dude, in Los Angeles.
...and even if he's a lazy man, and
the Dude was certainly that--quite
possibly the laziest in Los Angeles
County. ...which would place him high in the
runnin' for laziest worldwide--but
sometimes there's a man. . . sometimes
there's a man.
Wal, I lost m'train of thought here.
But--aw hell, I done innerduced him
enough.
What the fuck are you talking about?!
This Chinaman is not the issue! I'm
talking about drawing a line in the
sand, Dude. Across this line you do
not, uh--and also, Dude, Chinaman is
not the preferred, uh. . . Asian-
American. Please.
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great movie. too bad you're a queer and you're ruining it.
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"Like a Virgin" is all about a
girl who digs a guy with a big
dick. The whole song is a
metaphor for big dicks
No it's not. It's about a girl
who is very vulnerable and she's
been fucked over a few times.
Then she meets some guy who's
really sensitive--
--Whoa...whoa...time out Greenbay.
Tell that bullshit to the
tourists.
Toby...who the fuck is Toby?
Toby...Toby...think...think...
think...
It's not about a nice girl who
meets a sensitive boy. Now
granted that's what "True Blue" is
about, no argument about that.
Which one is "True Blue?"
You don't remember "True Blue?"
That was a big ass hit for
Madonna. Shit, I don't even
follow this Tops In Pops shit, and
I've at least heard of "True
Blue."
Look, asshole, I didn't say I
ain't heard of it. All I asked
was how does it go? Excuse me
for not being the world's biggest
Madonna fan.
I hate Madonna
I like her early stuff. You know,
"Lucky Star," "Borderline" - but
once she got into her "Papa Don't
Preach" phase, I don't know, I
tuned out.
Hey, fuck all that, I'm
making a point here. You're gonna
make me lose my train
of thought.
Oh fuck, Toby's that little china
girl.
What's that?
I found this old address book in a
jacket I ain't worn in a coon's
age. Toby what? What the fuck
was her last name?
Where was I?
You said "True Blue" was about a
nice girl who finds a sensitive
fella. But "Like a Virgin" was a
metaphor for big dicks
Let me tell ya what "Like a
Virgin"'s about. It's about some
cooze who's a regular fuck
machine.
I mean all the time, morning, day,
night, afternoon, dick, dick,
dick, dick, dick,
dick, dick, dick, dick, dick,
dick.
How many dicks was that?
A lot.
Then one day she meets a John
Holmes motherfucker, and it's
like, whoa baby. This mother
fucker's like Charles Bronson in
"The Great Escape." He's diggin
tunnels. Now she's gettin this
serious dick action, she's feelin
something she ain't felt since
forever. Pain.
Chew? Toby Chew? No.
It hurts. It hurts her. It
shouldn't hurt. Her pussy should
be Bubble-Yum by now. But when
this cat fucks her, it hurts. It
hurts like the first time. The
pain is reminding a fuck machine
what is was like to be a virgin.
Hence, "Like a Virgin."
Wong?
Fuck you, wrong. I'm right! What
the fuck do you know about it
anyway? You're still listening to
Jerry-fucking-Vale.
Not wrong, dumb ass, Wong! You
know, like the Chinese name?
Have you guys been listening to K-
BILLY's super sounds of the
seventies weekend?
Yeah, it's fuckin great isn't it?
Can you believe the songs they
been playin?
No, I can't. You know what I
heard the other day? "Heartbeat -
It's Lovebeat," by little Tony
DeFranco and the DeFranco Family.
I haven't heard that since I was
in fifth fuckin grade.
When I was coming down here, I was
playin it. And "The Night the
Lights Went Out in Georgia" came
on. Now I ain't heard that song
since it was big, but when it was
big, I heard it a million-
trillion times. I'm listening to
it this morning, and this was the
first time I ever realized that
the lady singing the song, was the
one who killed Andy.
You didn't know Vicki Lawrence
killed the guy?
I thought the cheatin wife shot
Andy.
They say it in the song
I know, I heard it. I musta zoned
out whenever that part came on
before. I thought when she said
that little sister stuff, she was
talkin about her sister- in-law,
the cheatin wife.
No, she did it. She killed the
cheatin wife, too.
You know the part in "Gypsies,
Tramps and Theives," when she says
"Poppa woulda shot his if he knew
what he'd done?" I could never
figure out what he did.
Can I get anybody more
coffee.
No, we're gonna be hittin it.
I'll take care of the check
Here ya go. Please pay at the
register, if you wouldn't mind.
You guys have a wonderful day
I'll take care of this, you guys
leave the tip.
Okay, everybody cough up green for
the little lady.
C'mon, throw in a buck.
Uh-uh. I don't tip.
Whaddaya mean you don't tip?
I don't believe in it.
You don't believe in tipping?
I love this kid, he's a madman,
this guy.
Do you have any idea what these
ladies make? They make shit.
Don't give me that. She don't
make enough money, she can quit.
I don't even know a Jew who'd have
the balls to say that. So let's
get this straight. You never ever
tip?
I don't tip because society says I
gotta. I tip when somebody
deserves a tip. When somebody
really puts forth an effort, they
deserve a little something extra.
But this tipping automatically,
that shit's for the birds. As far
as I'm concerned, they're just
doin their job.
Our girl was nice.
Our girl was okay. She didn't do
anything special.
What's something special, take ya
in the kitchen and suck your dick?
I'd go over twelve percent for
that.
Look, I ordered coffee. Now we've
been here a long fuckin time, and
she's only filled my cup three
times. When I order coffee, I
want it filled six times.
What if she's too busy?
The words "too busy" shouldn't be
in a waitress's vocabulary.
Excuse me, Mr. White, but the last
thing you need is another cup of
coffee.
These ladies aren't starvin to
death. They make minimum wage.
When I worked for minimum wage, I
wasn't lucky enough to have a job
that society deemed tipworthy.
Ahh, now we're getting down to it.
It's not just that he's a cheap
bastard--
But it's also
he couldn't get a waiter job. You
talk like a pissed off dishwasher:
"Fuck those cunts and their
fucking tips."
So you don't care that they're
counting on your tip to live?
Do you know what this is? It's
the world's smallest violin,
playing just for the waitresses
You don't have any idea what
you're talking about. These
people bust their ass. This
is a hard job.
So's working at McDonald's, but
you don't feel the need to tip
them. They're servin ya food, you
should tip em. But no, society
says tip these guys over here, but
not those guys over there. That's
bullshit.
They work harder than the kids at
McDonald's.
These people are taxed on the tips
they make. When you stiff 'em,
you cost them money.
Waitressing is the number one
occupation for female non-college
graduates in this country. It's
the one jab basically any woman
can get, and make a living on.
The reason is because of tips.
Fuck all that.
Hey, I'm very sorry that the
government taxes their tips.
That's fucked up. But that ain't
my fault. it would appear that
waitresses are just one of the
many groups the government fucks
in the ass on a regular basis.
You show me a paper says the
government shouldn't do that, I'll
sign it. Put it to a vote, I'll
vote for it. But what I won't do
is play ball. And this non-
college bullshit you're telling
me, I got two words for that:
"Learn to fuckin type." Cause if
you're expecting me to help out
with the rent, you're in for a big
fuckin surprise.
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If people want to rant and rave all day about stupid shit like how everyone else is a loser and how we're going to sue people we don't like, then I'm just going to keep on wasting space on shit like above. Got it!? Stop fucking around and get to the point. Want to call people names and poke fun, go somewhere else and do it. Start your own post, beacuse reading what everyone has been saying, I might as well read something mildly entertaining like funny movie quotes. Don't like it? Too bad!
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Here you go again, trying to tell me what to do. Well fuck you, I'll talk shit about everyone right here in this post. And then I'll go find a post about someone's summit experience and I'll talk shit about people there too. And all the other people on this site will join me and talk shit about Annie Hall everywhere we can. Motherfucker we'll go to the Kids Helping Kids forum and talk shit about Annie THERE. Actually, they already are talking shit about her there. So fuck you. I will post whatever I like wherever I like, and you can kiss my ass the whole way through.
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you're a sad sad little man
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I need to apologize again - I posted twice as an Ottawa admirer. It was sarcasm. However, she's so far off the deep end that I was unable to exaggerate to the point that it was obvious! I'm sorry!
You guys - I don't know what you're fighting about. But please be aware that I am the person who posted anonymously in that smart-ass style with the stupid "have a nice day" that Ottawa uses sometimes wiht the stupid waving icon. She sometimes puts that crap at the end of her aggressive and hostile posts.
Please don't take the last two pro-Ottawa posts seriously. They were mine. However, someone else WAS posting in support of her. I don't know who that person is.
I was not trying to start something bad here. It was humor. Stupid humor, it seems. Sorry.
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You should be sorry you piece of shit! Shut the fuck up about this Annie Hall person, or whoever she is. Jesus you people are fucking annoying.
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I wish I was as cool as you.
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I know. Instead of being a total tool, you should be a suave mother fucker like myself. Maybe then you'd get some pussy!
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Hint #346: Spending all your time talking anonymous shit on fornits means you don't get pussy
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No, it just means I have a shitty job with nothing to do...But I get pussy whenever I want: I have a girlfriend!
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Hint #347: Anyone can get a girlfriend. You'd only impress me if she was hot, and it's obvious that she's not.
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How is that obvious?
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If she were ugly, which she isn't, ugly pussy is still better that fudge packing, the endavor you participate in daily.
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It's obvious she's either butt ugly or doesn't exist just because of the way you talk about her. If you were getting laid, you wouldn't have to be on here bragging about it and trying to convince us you get laid. It's just a simple rule of thumb. Anyone who tries to impress upon others that they get laid gets little ass. If they do it to strangers online, they definitely get no ass. Simple as that.
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Jesus, you're a fucking tool. Look at the logic you use. Can you prove anything? NO! Can I prove anything? NO! So what the fuck is the point?! Eat a fat dick!
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I can prove you're a fuckin' loser. Your own testimony sealed that one right up.
On 2005-11-30 09:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"No, it just means I have a shitty job with nothing to do...But I get pussy whenever I want: I have a girlfriend! "
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And by the way, since you were probably having trouble understanding that last post...
tes·ti·mo·ny
1. A declaration by a witness under oath, as that given before a court or deliberative body.
2. All such declarations, spoken or written, offered in a legal case or deliberative hearing.
3. Evidence in support of a fact or assertion; proof.
4. A public declaration regarding a religious experience.
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Keep going, you're doing so well. The thing is: While it might be a shitty job and I might not have anything to do...I get paid up the ASS! So fuck off!
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Hahaha you get paid up the ass? I believe the correct terminology is "paid OUT the ass". Or maybe you really do get it in the ass as a paycheck.
You can fantasize all you want about bitches and money, because it's very clear now that you get neither. Paid up the ass haha.
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Ha! I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!
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On 2005-11-30 14:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ha! I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"
Sorry, I have to say it...
"You eat pieces of shit for breakfast?"
-Happy Gilmore
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On 2005-11-30 14:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Ha! I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"
Sorry man, it was fun talking shit with you before, but I don't associate with people that enjoy getting their shit pushed in.
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On 2005-11-30 13:23:00, Anonymous wrote:
"COM3 ON GUYS111!1111 LOL S2P INSULTNG AACH OTH3R111!!1 OMG LOL THEYRE RILLY IS NO NED FOR AL OF TAHT!!1!1! OMG WTF LOL CANT W3 AL B FREINDS!!!!! WTF SO ONE OF U SAYS U HAEV A GIRLFREIND AND TEH OTHER DOES NOT1!!1!!! OMG WTF LOL SO WUT!!11! CANT W3 AGRE 2 DISAGRE1!!!!1! LOL IF NOT THIS WORLD IS GONG DOWN DA TUBS FAST11!!11! WTF LOL"
I know where this language came from! There's a translator that will turn any sentence into the way a 12 year old would type it if they were on IM. It's actually pretty cool. You can type anything you want and it will come out looking like this. Google that shit.
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You're right. If by "you people" you mean Annie, Ottawa5, Gentiana orOttawa5@aol.com. That bitch is HORRIBLE.