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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 25, 2005, 08:44:00 PM
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http://www.anti-wwasp.tk (http://www.anti-wwasp.tk) - Forums just started but basic content is all there. New website to let people who feel wronged by WWASP or one of it's programs have an outlet to discuss it all. Also offering news, selected articles, and moderated forums.
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if you want to add these pictures of spring creek lodge here are a couple
(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/hobbit_with_kid.jpg)
(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/2304b619.jpg)
(http://http://photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/ea801e7d.jpg)
(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/firm-hold_bycameron.jpg)
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Thanks for the images, they aren't copyrighted or anything then and you own these images? I have received tons of positive encouragement from this forum which I must say is refreshing.
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Im not sure about the copyright, I think they are from another anti-wwasp type website.
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I think they are from Spring Creek Lodge - a wwasp program in Montana. The punishment cell
pictured is called the hobbit.Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
--Winston Churchill
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Well I definitely know where those pictures came from (not to be an ass) because I attended spring creek for 12 months, but I need to know whether you own the photos or at least where they came from to be able to use them on my site. I don't steal copyrighted materials or other's property for my own purposes. -kev
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The one at the top of the Hobbit is a personal photograph, not copy righted as far as I know. Its up various places on the web.
The others I am pretty sure come from the Desperate Measures articles. I don't know that that means they are copy righted - I don't think so.
I don't think there is any reason you couldn't use them if you want.
heres a link to the articles:
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/des ... t-pg.shtml (http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/desperate/site-desperate/day2/2front-pg.shtml)
There is a lot of material here so click around.
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Photos used by publications like rocky mountain news are copyrighted.
Perhaps it would be a good idea for you write to the editor and ask for permission to use the photos. Identify yourself, the purpose of your website and/as use of the requested copyright materials.
Usually they will grant permission (e.g.the photos you use would say "Used by Permission of the Rocky Mountain News").
Sometimes, especially in the case of free-lance photographers, the copyright is retained by the photographer, other times sold with the picture to the publication.
Hope this helps!
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(http://http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/SpringCreekDropout/firm-hold_bycameron.jpg)
Juu-ju time boys and girls. That hold is a joke. Thats just asking for a blind leg sweep, a hip toss (which would be sooo easy, just quickly stand up and torque your body to the right while pulling your left elbow back, get your arm around his neck and base out, pivot and toss him over and land on top :grin: Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
--Albert Einstein
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That really cant be a hold. I mean the guy has a free arm. Is it a hold Nihilanthic? You would know better than me. It more seems like a older guy escorting a younger guy around. That hold just seems to easy to get out of, even though I dont know Judo, I do know that a free hand while your holding some one, is not something you want.
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It is Cameron Pullman showing the news crew how he safely restrains a child until they calm down. I can tell you, after witnessing with my own eyes, this is not even close to how it's done. They radio 4-5 big male staff to come and sit on you with your arm behind your back, it's very painful. A submission hold is what they use, not restraint.
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Cameron was probably enjoying being behind him like that. :rofl:
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It is Cameron Pullman showing the news crew how he safely restrains a child until they calm down. I can tell you, after witnessing with my own eyes, this is not even close to how it's done. They radio 4-5 big male staff to come and sit on you with your arm behind your back, it's very painful. A submission hold is what they use, not restraint.
Thats not a restraint, I mean come on, if a kid was freaking out and some one grabed him he would hit him with everything he had, including his head. So a free arm is not a good thing I would think. Is it not obvious to the reporter taking the picture that its a load of shit?
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I made some layout changes and added some new graphics at http://www.anti-wwasp.tk (http://www.anti-wwasp.tk) and a couple new user submitted articles. The forums over there are still fresh and just asking to be torn up with some posts, so get over there and say something.
Also I am currently looking for pictures that anyone own's themselves and that would be interested in contributing to the site. I really have a lack of real portrayals of these facilities. If you have any images of WWASP related facilities please post them here or send them to (antiwwasp@gmail.com) thanks.
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I think there are some photos of Tranquility Bay over at isaccorp.org.
Otherwise, look into news archives to try to find photos.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 10:18 pm Post subject:
are you kidding me, with all those rules?
good luck enforcing them. good luck finding people to post on your threads that have been through hell and now you are concerned with their civility? how about being concerned with people having some freedom to speak! well they won't get it here, that's for sure! no public disagreement with the moderator? what, did you go to some fascist training camp?
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Where did the last post come from?
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Those are pretty standard rules for internet forums.
I'm glad there are forums where these issues can be debated with out quite the same level of "freedom" found on Fornits. People do abuse it - and others won't even read or seriously consider anything found here as a result.
Each has its place in the grand scheme of things and there is no point complaining about either format.
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So yeah to address the state of Prosser these days, it's still small, it smells when you drive through there from all the feedlots, and I haven't heard anything about that place for years. Does it still exist?
Anyways I made some changes to the site and took down all those rules and guidelines so it's all open discussion, well besides pro-wwasp stuff of course, (I have heard) their boards censor us so I will do the same. So the new url is http://www.antiwwasp.com (http://www.antiwwasp.com) for all those interested. Chatroom is on the way within a week I hope.