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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 06, 2005, 02:10:00 AM
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Are there any sane people here who went to Elan, did what they had to do, got out in like 16, 17 months and went on with their lives?
Seriously.
I am a normal individual, my parents had problems, I went to Elan, it was really silly, some morons yelled, I swept some floors, ...big deal.
I wasn't abused, I wasn't traumatized, granted, it was retarded, but not such a big deal.
I see all these posts about all this trauma and drama, and I am like what the hell is wrong with these people?
I was sane when I went in, I got out less than 18 months later, still perfectly normal.
What the hell is so interesting that you people are stillliving this shit out?
It's baffling to me.
The only reason I bother with thos board was out of boredom while working, but now I am curious. I cannot stress enough that if you are sstill thinking about this place, the issue was never Elan, it was you.
Seek help.
It really was not this big a deal.
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Apparently you were just sliding by. There is more than likely a laundry list of drugs that you were on that you've never admitted to using! I look forward to seeing your F.O.S. face on front row at SIBS, my friend. Sounds like you have quite a bit of facing up to do...
http://fornits.com/SIBS (http://fornits.com/SIBS)
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Nope, sorry.
Drugs are not my thing, i fact, I hadn't even tried even pot until after I got out of Elan. Sorry.
I know you would love to find insanity where there is none, as the emotionally unstable want to believe everyboy is like them, but you won't find any here.
I'm done.
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Ps:
sliding by?
You people really are demented.
Seriously.
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You'll see just how "demented" we are once you start getting the therapy that you NEED.
Love ya! :wave:
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For the record-
We have reported you 'doctors' and your threats of hacking and the like.
This board is now being monitored.
Such threats are not taken lightly.
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Horseshit, asshole! :wave:
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OF COURSE this site is monitored, Anon!! How else do you think our friends in the judicial system get the evidence they need to court order you little druggies to our fine Program, Straight, Inc.-by-the-Sea? Your idle threats and childish attempts at scaring us will be the subject of many a confrontation when you get here. We've got a blue chair on front row, waiting for you.
Love ya!
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Greeting fellow Doctor's...Would you like to join Marty Kruglik and I in a huge pajama gay sex party :question: :lol:
I am a homosexual psychiatrist that is employed with the Elan school. I also once got a student pregnant near her 18th birthday. I wonder how Priscilla Page and my son are these days.
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I am A Elan psychiatrist and Marty Kruglik's gay lover
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Well, I must say that I don't approve of that sort of depraved behavior Doctor, but go ahead and knock yourself out. :tup:
BTW, if you are interested in employment at SIBS, feel free to peruse our website.
Take care,
Dr. Fucktard
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AWww this is cute....the 'moderators' and 'administrators' of a pretty oinconsequential webpage full of relatively unlooked at and unimportant forums get together, form a little club, call eachother funny little doctor names and threaten people with a funny, clever little made up place they created to feel like 'a group' "only moderators and administrators can post' gosh, you al are so special, your own little club.
weeeeeeeeeee.
It's silly, the whole sibs thing, not even that funny, I mean, of course to your little bunch it might be, groups stick together, they have to because alone they realise what true loners and losers they really are.
Cute. Doctor this and doctor that....
awww, No amount of playing here will make you anything more than moderators on a free webpage.
Yes, we know you can get our Ip's duh, you're the fucking moderators.
If you hack into our computers, there is proof here that it was you, and legal trouble awaits. You know this.
So why keep playing?
You are adults, start acting like them.
Jesus.
Get a life.
Bye.
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S.I.B.S=
Some Insanely Bored Sillys
It's ok.
If you left your computer for a minute, al you Doctors might actually meet some REAL people so you could have a group in REAL life.
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On 2005-07-06 13:06:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
"Well, I must say that I don't approve of that sort of depraved behavior Doctor, but go ahead and knock yourself out. :tup:
BTW, if you are interested in employment at SIBS, feel free to peruse our website.
Take care,
Dr. Fucktard
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I am interested to know if you would consider hiring Marty Kruglik to replace your Gorilla? Marty would love to molest all those kids. I on the other hand have my hands full over here at Elan . I would love to work at your place, perhaps a future endeaver is possible for me.
BTW Doctot, do you also rape your teenage hostages? We at Elan believe impregnanting teens just before they turn 18 is acceptable behavior.
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All kidding aside, no. There are very few 'normal' people hanging around here. Some are quite damaged, others just a little off. But it's very rare, in my experience, to run into someone who spend any considerable time in a Synanon based TC who didn't come out of it a little banged up.
I veiewed the whole thing very much the way you do. It was a rediculous waste of a couple of years. I'd already resolved at age 15 to go off into the wild yonder, so I really didn't care about the damage done to my family relationship. It was already damaged beyond salvation and I was just glad to be out and free when it finally was all over. And I did just as you recomend. I went on w/ my life, married, had kids, bought a house--all more or less in that order.
I think I was already somewhat immune to the effects by the time I landed up in Straight. I attribute that both to having had nearly 10 years experience w/ this particular cult and also to having learned from my dad how to work, deal w/ idiots, keep my own mind together regardless... how to live.
But here's why I think this is an important issue today. The TC model of 'therapy' has become the default treatment of choice in the public and private sectores. And I've found that a lot of people are very damaged by this form of quack therapy. I think it's worth the time and trouble to try and promote some dialogue and some balance to industry advertising and lobbying.
That's all this ever was and, likely, all it ever will be.The world is so exquisite, with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there's no good evidence. Far better, it seems to me, to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides.
--Carl Sagan
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"All kidding aside, no. There are very few 'normal' people hanging around here. Some are quite damaged, others just a little off. But it's very rare, in my experience, to run into someone who spend any considerable time in a Synanon based TC who didn't come out of it a little banged up."
...And some are bored and amusing themselves.
Trust us.
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only moderators and administrators can post
Yes, I see your point. That should read, "Only executive staff can post, since it is OUR forum after all...
It's silly, the whole sibs thing, not even that funny, I mean,
SIBS is anything BUT a joke, sir/ma'am.. :flame:
you Doctors might actually meet some REAL people so you could have a group in REAL life.
We have a group -- the best damned group in the world -- at SIBS. :wave:
Please feel free to come visit our facility at any time. :em:
Thank You,
Fr. Cassian
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Did you go to Elan in the early 80's or earlier?
then maybe you could relate to some of the trauma and Drama :silly: Sorry you got so lucky floor sweeper count your blessings!
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But thats EXACTLY my point.
I understand that in the early 80's elan was a differnt place.
However, most of these kids complaining were there in the 90's or later. hell, I was there in the 90's, and it was silly at best, annoying at worst.
I can understand feeling damaged if you had been there in the early 80's or before, but not after.
Thats just babies whining trying to blame their complete emotional psychoses on some prety unimportant event.
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Well, I went through Straight, Sarasota in the `80's. I thought it was stupid. I never took it any more seriously than something to be endured till I could leave it in the dust. There were only a few incidents that I can remember that, in retrospect, after I had time to think, I really found disturbing.
But other people who were there at the same time were obviously distressed. I was just too young and (very righly for my stage of life) self absorbed to take it in. My heartthrob, the one boy who I wanted to find after I got out, dropped the extra weight, acne and palor was dead by the time I looked him up. I was there w/ Sammie Monroe, who appeared on the Montel Williams show fairly recently. What a sad story! But, at the time, while she was being held down and beat up, all I thought about it was "why do these idiots insist on fighting when it's so much easier to just pretend?"
Young people were broken beyond repair right before my eyes and I didn't see it, even though I helped make it happen.
I'm glad for you and anyone else who, like me, was able to just let it roll off and wait for eventual liberty. But, at the same time, I worry about those who, then and now, are not so tough.
Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway.
Anonymity Anonymous (http://fornits.com/anonanon)
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See that's the thing...you seem to have legitimate reason to be upset.
Like I said, the 80's were a different time.
I TOTALLY understand the people who were there at those times.
The issue I have is that these idiot kids who do the most whining were there in the nineties and later, when the WORST thing that happened was that a bunch of other idiot kids yelled at them, or they had to re-mop the dining room.
Doesn't it bother you AT ALL that THESE kids are equating their 'struggle' with yours, WHICH HAPPENED TO HAVE BEEN REAL?
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I don't think you read my posts. Yes, I was in one of those places w/ the worst of reputations in the `80's. And, when I got out, I went on w/ my own plans--went on with my life. I had no idea that I had wittnessed kids who's names and faces I can still recall being utterly destroyed; far less how I had played a part. I didn't start to get it till I started looking up old friends from those days and finding out that most of them are not well.
I suggest you look up some ppl who were in there with you and get their take on things.India Indicas, Mr. Peabody?
-- Sherman
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On 2005-07-06 19:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
Doesn't it bother you AT ALL that THESE kids are equating their 'struggle' with yours, WHICH HAPPENED TO HAVE BEEN REAL?
No, it does not. For over 700 days, I complied, ate shit and inflicted harsh mindfucking tactics on the happless unfortunate strangers who landed up in the same fix as I did, by various routes. For about 3 days I 'misbehaved'. I never hit anyone or thretened to. I was careful to be polite in my protests, even when 'misbehaving'. I did get my ass beat, even got my nose broke during that time. Those were some of the best days of my stay. It hurt physically, but at least I had my dignity, bloody nose and all.
I'd take two years of regulat ass kicking over two years of constant mind rape any day you ask me.I have found that the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it
--Harry S. Truman
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define normal.
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I frankly don't care too much about how anyone is doing.
They were not people I would have assiciated with under normal circumstances, so I am not rally interested in how they are or are not doing.
I've talked to a few, 4 or 5, and they are fine, they feel pretty much the same way I do.
We made fun of a couple of moments , giggled and went our separate ways.
To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be surprised if the others were not doing well because they seemed like demented morons when we were there, Like I said, not poele I would associate with in real life.
The people who are not doing well now were crazy BEFORE they got to elan.
Define normal?
I'm normal.I was normal BEFORE elan, and I am normal now.
before Elan I was a normal teen with angst issues with my parents, fighting snobery with idealism, etc.
Now
I have a great job, a great relationship, I am well to do, I travel in the upper class of social circles... normal life.
It's not a complicated concept to grasp, I shoudln't have to define it.
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I'm also going to stop posting anything here.
I came here out of boredom while working at home, and as a human being who likes to debate issues, I got caught up in debating things with you all.
However, I can see that this is not a forum in which to do that.
I guess this is the place where all those 'other' kids come to talk about how fucked up they are.
You're right, the normal people don't really come here, so I will not be coming round.
I can't debate or discuss anything with people who are led around by mental conditions, not fact.
I really hope you people find what it is that you need to get your heads fixed, I feel sad for all of you.
Bye.
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On 2005-07-06 21:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm also going to stop posting anything here.
I came here out of boredom while working at home, and as a human being who likes to debate issues, I got caught up in debating things with you all.
However, I can see that this is not a forum in which to do that.
I guess this is the place where all those 'other' kids come to talk about how fucked up they are.
You're right, the normal people don't really come here, so I will not be coming round.
I can't debate or discuss anything with people who are led around by mental conditions, not fact.
I really hope you people find what it is that you need to get your heads fixed, I feel sad for all of you.
Bye.
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Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.. Please feel free to join us again for some thearpy real soon, don't be a stranger now.
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You're not one of the real Sibs Docs.
you're just a faker.
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On 2005-07-05 23:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Are there any sane people here who went to Elan, did what they had to do, got out in like 16, 17 months and went on with their lives?
Seriously.
I am a normal individual, my parents had problems, I went to Elan, it was really silly, some morons yelled, I swept some floors, ...big deal.
I wasn't abused, I wasn't traumatized, granted, it was retarded, but not such a big deal.
I see all these posts about all this trauma and drama, and I am like what the hell is wrong with these people?
I was sane when I went in, I got out less than 18 months later, still perfectly normal.
What the hell is so interesting that you people are stillliving this shit out?
It's baffling to me.
The only reason I bother with thos board was out of boredom while working, but now I am curious. I cannot stress enough that if you are sstill thinking about this place, the issue was never Elan, it was you.
Seek help.
It really was not this big a deal."
Me suh been at Elan very long long time. Me wsuh will always be here and never leave. There be too many teenagers to abusive, I shall never leave.
Hi yuh yuh yuh yuh
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[ This Message was edited by: ShyGirl on 2005-07-18 17:19 ]
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No, no, ShyGirl! You're not supposed to eat the children! "Live on love for 9 months and eat the baby" is just a figure of speech.
But, aside from that, it sounds like you've managed to get yourself together pretty well. That's always good to hear.
What you describe sounds a whole lot like any other TC. Bored Anon, is that how you remember things at Elan during your 18 mos? Were you just aloof to it all, maybe? Here's freedom to him who would read;
Here's freedom to him who would write;
None ever feared that the truth should be heard,
But them that the truth would indict.
--author unknown (circa 1914)
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"A girl in the dorm tried to have sex with me"-Big deal.Never had an unwanted advance before?I'll bet you 90% of the free world has.
"On several occasions I was put in solitary confinement (the corner) for no good reason at all for days on end. People screaming/cursing in my face constantly; people spitting in my face; people crushing my self-esteem and confusing me with regard to my identity."
- Jesus, you are dramatic, lol.Corner? big deal.Morons screaming? Umm. I have had BOSSES who screamed louder and with REAL CONSEQUENCES!AND IF YOUR IDENTITY WAS CONFUSED YOU WERE A REALLY WEAK SPECIMEN IN THE FIRST PLACE!
"And let?s not forget the strip searches, watching people get the shit beat out of them"
-I never ONCE saw anyone get the shit beat out of them, lol.
"censored mail and phone calls, and sleep deprivation. The list goes on, but I can?t remember everything right now. "
-Big deal. Someone listened to your call.Sleep deprived?I slept ok. Your lazy ass need more than 8 hours sleep?Welcome to the real world.
I went into élan as a young girl who hated my parents and hated authority, but really had no other issues (no sex, drugs, violence or dropping out of school). Then I was imprisoned for 3 years for these ?crimes? without due process. "
-If you had 'no other issues' it would not have taken you 3 YEARS to get out lolololol!!!
Normal people just go with the flow and do what they have to do and are not overly dramatic (see above
"So, I start doing drugs, having sex and I couldn?t trust anyone. I was afraid to make friends and afraid to have a boyfriend. I never even told anyone about my experience in élan until recently. I was definitely more messed up when I got out of Elan than I was when I went in. "
-HAHAHAHA THIS IS THE COUP DE GRACE!!!!!IT'S NOBOY'S FAULT BUT YOUR OWN THAT YOU BECAME A SLUTTING DRUG LOSER!
You were VERY OBVIOUSLY crazy before Elan, sorry.
Howcome I just did what I needed to, got out, went to college, gott a great job pretty much without incident.
I do the occasional party night with the other normals lol, everything in moderation.
I never 'blame things ' on Elan like "Oh my god, I can't trust terrorists!! BECAUSE I WENT TO ELAN!!"Or "Oh no, I had a bad boyfriend BECAUSE I WENT TO ELAN!!"
Jesus.
Damaged is as dameged does,you were this wasy WAY before you got senrt to this silly place.
If you were not a basket case, elan would NEVER have affected you this way.
Sorry but it s true.
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On 2005-07-07 13:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
Howcome I just did what I needed to, got out, went to college, gott a great job pretty much without incident.
Well, my best guess? Either you were clueless and had no idea what was going on around you or you're a prick and just didn't give a shit.
And don't break your arm patting yourself on the back over your speedy graduation. Fact is it generally doesn't matter what you do or don't do. They let you out when the payor is no longer willing or able to pay. Simple as that.
They used to burn witches. Today we laugh at them. Today we jail people for marijuana. Tomorrow they'll laugh at us.
--Robert "Rosie" Rowbotham
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On 2005-07-07 13:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
Damaged is as dameged does,you were this wasy WAY before you got senrt to this silly place.
If you were not a basket case, elan would NEVER have affected you this way.
Sorry but it s true.
Do you think Elan's method is good therapy for kids w/ emotional issues?No laws, however stringent, can make the idle industrious, the thriftless provident, or the drunken sober
--Samuel Stiles
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Actually, my parents were willing to pay whatever it took, they are endlessly wealthy....they paid out of their pockets and it didnt make a dent, trust me.
Fact.
Also, I know what goes on around me, I just really didn't give a shit about Elan,lol. I just cared about myself and getting out. Any sane individual would.If that's prickish, than prickish I am, lol.
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In reference to your last question....No, I think the mentally ill people(most of the people on this board) should have been in hospitals or special homes.
Elan was a decent holding tank for the bratty kids to get taught a lesson maybe.The reason i was not really affected in any way was because I was emotionally stable.Obviously, the unstable kids had a different rsponse, therefore again, the unstable kids should be in hospitals.
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PERFECT description!
Elan was a good holding tank for bratty kids to learn a lesson!!
Never heard it so perfectly put!
Indeed, the crazier kids should never have been there, they should have been in hospital!
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Ok, well look at how they're advertising.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=elan+school+maine (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=elan+school+maine)
Does this look to you asif they're only promising babysitting services for spoiled rich brats? I think people looking for what Elan is selling ought to have a shot at the truth behind the ads.
Am I wrong?We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
-- Ben Franklin At the signing of the Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776.
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To tell you the truth, I couldn't care less, lol.
It didn't affect my life and how it affects the lives of those with less mental capacity is really not my concern.
Who cares?
You really need a hobby and a doctor.
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I know who the anon here is that keeps on defending Elan. The anon who loves a debate. The anon who claims to be normal and well-adjusted. The anon who keeps promising to go away and never come back...but always does. IT'S TAMAR!!! Can you believe it guys? Tamar is trying to teach us what normal is.
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Howcome I just did what I needed to, got out, went to college, gott a great job pretty much without incident.
I do the occasional party night with the other normals lol, everything in moderation.
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Oh and Tamar, we all know this isn't true, so who are you lying to here...us or yourself?
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Anon, if you are so "normal" then why were you in Elan? That's the million dollar question.
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Ummm...I work in the fashion industry, The man in my life is absolutely wonderful, I have a house and a loft, 2 dogs, money to burn and quite an inheritance. I graduated from a great school (Parsons, NYc).
Exactly which part have you doubted the voracity of?
All true.
Sorry.
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Oh and you asked "why I was in Elan" read earlier posts.
My parents had serious problems which have since been resolved by therapy.
There was tension between us and they were too busy to deal.
They had the money, so they spent it on Elan.
Every claim I ever make is honest.
Although my opinions might not always be shared, there is not one lie in any statement I make.
I apologise if you do not like my truths.
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On 2005-07-07 20:49:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Oh and you asked "why I was in Elan" read earlier posts.
My parents had serious problems which have since been resolved by therapy.
There was tension between us and they were too busy to deal.
They had the money, so they spent it on Elan.
Every claim I ever make is honest.
Although my opinions might not always be shared, there is not one lie in any statement I make.
I apologise if you do not like my truths."
If you are so normal Tamar, you would not have an eating disorder. Stop throwing stones at the people here.
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Listen-
everyone in mahattan has an ed.
hahaha
my friend is dating Lindsay lohan(the singer of my mans band) come on.
Welcome to reality.
besides, most of my disorder is played up for laughs.Didn't you get that memo?
I'm skinny. Who cares hahaha? My friends are all way skinnier than I.
In manhattan we call this a diet, lol.
seriously, maybe where you're from people let themselves go.
there are different standards here.
Like I said, great job, great money, great man, normal living.
I'm not here to explain that sort of thing to you.
You and I are from totally differnt walks of life.
Trust me, I'm normal.
We are all creatures of our atmospheres, dear.
Being thin is not a crime.
Being stagnant and weak, hoewever, is.
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I don't think anyone here is stagnant or weak. I also do not feel the need or think it's appropriate to brag about what I have or who I know. What's the point? People usually do this sort of thing to look down on others. Everyone has their own reasons for why they do things the way they do. Not everyone has access to the same choices or resources that are out there. So you got "lucky" that your parents are wealthy and you got a leg up in the world. Big deal. I have more admiration for people that struggled to get where they are versus having everything handed to them. Money does not define success as you should very well know. It boils down to what type of human being you are and external factors having nothing to do with it.
Seroiusly, Tamar it's very scary you consider yourself normal when you try to humilate people because of their weight, looks, or how their life has turned out. Sadly, many people out there have your perception and it's flawed. I suggest you really take a look at yourself and try to figure out what your inner qualities are as a human being versus trying to always belittle people.
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"I have learned that success is to be measured
not so much by the position that one has reached
in life as by the obstacles which he has overcome
while trying to succeed."
--Booker T. Washington
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You're right, I am of a vast slightly shallow majority.
I just wanted to help, maybe MY method is tough love too.
People share my views in the company I keep...different circles. I wasn't trying to belittle, I guess that's just the way things sound from my mouth.
Anyhow,
I simply wanted to debate a point, that being I live a successful life(by the standards of the society I am part of) and Elan was merely a silly bump in the road for me.
For those to whom It is more, I was suggesting that no Elan was NOT right for them.They should have been inplaces where they can deal with mental issues.
Sorry if I sound harsh, I am only honest.
Oh and by the way,
I do not "belittle people because of their weight"
I merely have opinions on how people should look, personal tastes.
All the people I know would aggree.
If you don't aggree, don't adhere.
My inner qualities are very much to my own satisfaction.
So yes, I work hard even though my family has money and am fortunate.
You can't fault me for being satisfied or having opinions as I cannot fault you for the same.
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hi yuh yuh yuh hi yuh yuh yuh
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Let us all take a minute to thank the lord that Tamar does not have or want any children.
And if you should ever change your mind, Tamar, maybe you should send them to Elan. I hear it is a wonderful, therapeutic school. When you are too busy to deal with your teenager's issues because you are busy starving yourself or belittling people, Elan will be willing to hold your bratty kid for the low cost of 50k per year.
It still cracks me up that we are discussing NORMALCY with TAMAR.
So, in answer to your question, Tamar, ?Are there any normal people here?? The answer is definitely NO. But remember, you spend more time in this forum than anyone else.
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Hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh
This talk will not cease until we all dance like Injuns! And let's play some Cowboys and Marty Krugliks!
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So, Tamar, you claim Elan was a walk in the park?
Let?s change the names for a minute. Instead of ?élan? let?s pretend we?re talking about someone?s parents. Now this teen?s parents are tying his hands and feet in restraints, putting him in a ?boxing ring? with someone 3X his size just so that he can get beat up, of course while this is going on the parent is yelling at the teen calling him a pussy. This parent is also depriving him of proper medical care, spitting in his face, constantly telling him how worthless he is, depriving him of sunlight for days, weeks or even months in some cases, forcing him to stay up at night for days on end. No working phone in the house...not even to dial 911 should it become necessary.
Now, what would happen to these parents? Do you think that maybe, just maybe, they might be charged with child abuse and neglect?
My point is that what goes on in these places is legalized child abuse.
Anyway, I do agree with you Tamar about one thing. After Elan it is our job to pick up the pieces. Elan may be a screwed up place, but we?re the ones who have to live our lives, so there?s no point in blaming them.
This forum should be a place where we can come to find old friends, make new friends, tell war stories with people who might understand us, and bash that Godforsaken place!
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On 2005-07-08 12:50:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh hiyuh
This talk will not cease until we all dance like Injuns! And let's play some Cowboys and Marty Krugliks!
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I am kinda upset that there has been no mention of playing Dr. Gerald Davidson and Marty Kruglik, but perhaps no one had thought of it yet.
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You have got to be kidding me tamar is back here!!
Tamar your life must really be sad all you do is talk about people weight, i have no idea what weight has got to do with elan..... Unless your just fucked in the head and dont understand nobody cares about weight here!!!It is so sad you can look at your self in the mirror and think you look good with your bones showing hun you need help, elan did not help you at all..
Your not that good looking in the first place to try to put people down on here! If i were you i would of cut and pasted someones elses picture.
That looks half way good!
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Let?s change the names for a minute. Instead of ?élan? let?s pretend we?re talking about someone?s parents. Now this teen?s parents are tying his hands and feet in restraints, putting him in a ?boxing ring? with someone 3X his size just so that he can get beat up, of course while this is going on the parent is yelling at the teen calling him a pussy. This parent is also depriving him of proper medical care, spitting in his face, constantly telling him how worthless he is, depriving him of sunlight for days, weeks or even months in some cases, forcing him to stay up at night for days on end.
Well actually I watched someone die in the boxing ring! Claire "Woodman" was my peer in the early eightys when Joe ran his babysitting service and you all slide now if you want to know the truth!!
I could tell story upon story but just listen to Art he pretty much covers it well enough! Elan was a sick and insane place to be and no it did not save my life, it gave me PTSD among other things, so FUCK the place I hope it burns to the ground and stop picking on Claire she was abused like the rest of us, she just does not know how to leave her abusers yet which is sad! :flame: [ This Message was edited by: Elanuanumous on 2005-07-10 15:32 ]