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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on July 01, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
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Anybody know if all three boys made it home or are they still out there?
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two are home, one is still on the loose
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Can he not go home? Seems that would be the safest place maybe?
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hes out havin fun
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Are the parents not upset with the person who gave them money so they could leave Whitmore?
And, the one that is still gone from home...who is looking out for him? Anyone?
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Who's looking out for him? Well, if these anon posts are true, it looks like he's looking out for himself. We're not talking about a lost 6yo., ya' know. We're talking about a young man who, in a matter of monts (at most) will be fully qualified to vote or go to war.
He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
--Albert Einstein
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Everybody needs somebody. Must be bad blood between his family and he.
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Well, I don't know, but it seems reasonable to guess that if the kid phoned home for help, they'd help him into another Program. And, by the look of things, maybe he's had just about all the help he can stand.
Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions.
-- ALAN BARTH, The Loyalty of Free Men, 1951.
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Or, maybe he is hungry or someone is helping him out.
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you guys are all wrong..haha
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liar liar pants on fire...I won't tell....you guys are all wrong......nay, nay................
get real and stop barking like a seal.........so, tell us....come on johnny
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who's johnny?
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well lets say..you are all just wrong in thinking whats going on..only the ones truly on the inside know..haha
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Why bother posting here then?
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because theyre full of shit
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On 2005-07-01 18:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"who's johnny?"
Anyone have the answer to this one?
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Antigen....you and your friends are so full of shit it is sad. if you had any idea what was going on you would not spread the crap you do. I know the real story...you do not. leave this issue to the families involed. It is NOT a public issue.
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Once again, ANYONE have an answer to this question? :question: :question: :question:
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You better believe it is a PUBLIC ISSUE when the owner of a school has been CHARGED with abuse by the STATE OF UTAH in criminal court. THAT MAKES IT PRETTY PUBLIC!!!!
This is a PUBLIC FORUM TOO...not a group of Antigen's "friends"....don't know the lady, never met her.
You posted one thing correctly, it is rather "crappy" to abuse kids, isn't it? Tell Cheryl Sudweeks to please not do that anymore!
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Leave it to "the families involved?" Don't think so. The day of keeping child abuse hidden in the Whitmore FAMILY closet is way past....it will not and did not remain a "little dirty secret of the FAMILY!"
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The days of keeping ANY child abuse hidden away are far from over, whether it is at an institution or in the home.
Although some may think no one knows, that is a huge mistake. ::bigsmilebounce::
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SUNLIGHT IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT.
Let that be out motto for the teen-help industry.
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Honestly, I only check this thread hoping for some news on these kids. Did the other two land up back in programs? I hope not. Is the one who's still out there checking in w/ friends? Does anybody know for sure he's alright? I hope so. But I understand entirely why no one wants to give much info.
screening pre-school kids for anti-social behavior is about as useful as screening the Christian Coalition for sanctimonious behavior.
Sanho Tree
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I agree...however, if he is found to be in harm's way, then I would be very supportive if the parents took every measure possible to punish the person or persons who assisted with his departure.
He/She should not have interfered between the parent and the child.
This irrational/impulsive behavior could cause the young man much bigger problems than were present at the Whitmore.
Just an opinion...Freedom of Speech, and all that. ::deal::
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Yes, it is just your opinion. Evidently, in the opinions of more than a few Whit kids, the sensible thing to do to get out of harm's way is to run. Obviously, someone's helping the kid, whether they know the situation or not.
This is where it gets difficult. Those of you who think the Whit is a good and helpful organization are absolutely sure that whoever has helped this kid get away from them have done wrong. Those who feel differently about the Whit think the kids were already in some deep trouble and have helped them to get out of harm's way.
Having been the rope in that particular tug of war in the past (several times) I don't really care much about either side of that argument. My concern is for the kids. I wish them the best.
Anybody care to answer my question about the two who went home? Well, three actually. There was a girl who left a couple of days prior. Are they still free? Or did their parents lie to them to regain control of them and then send them back or off to other programs? From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy.
--S. Gilbert
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Drug war POW
Seed `71 - `80
Straight, Sarasota
10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
return undef() if /coercion/i;
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If something were to happen to the missing boy on this journey "to find himself", you better belive that the individual responsible for providing the money, tickets and propaganda will be held responsible. I know that for a fact. I bet she's keeping her fingers crossed that EVERYONE returns safely, so she can be out of hot water. No denying that.
Speculate all you wish, but I'm fairly certain that ALL 3 boys will go back to Whitmore and not by force. Their parents love these boys and are willing to do anything to help them develop into sucessful young men. I know that ALL of the boys have confirmed that there was NO abuse at Whitmore, and they left because SOMEONE provided the means to a group of young, immature, troubled young men. When I was that young, I would have thought it would have been a fun idea to travel cross country with friends and travelling to different concerts. Especially with $750 burning a hole in my pocket!
I cant believe what I read on these message boards. It is extremely vengeful, immature and genuinely unacceptable.
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Why would an 18 year old go back to Whitmore?
What propaganda?
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NO ABUSE AT WHITMORE?
Do believe Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED with 7 counts of child abuse against 4 different children. So, yes there has been abuse at Whitmore Academy, along with citations for unsafe conditions, along with failed health inspections.
Hellooooooooooooooo!
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Anon, who do you hold accountable for what happened to Joey while in the care of the Suds? And why single out only one of several legal adults who helped these boys after they ran from the Whit?
Nother question. Anybody know why these boys didn't go to the NPD and ask for protection? That's not a rhetorical question. I can't tell you how upset I was when, after hitchhiking out of state and landing up in the foster care system, I found out that Sarasota police investigators would have been happy to protect me had I only known they were investigating Straight.
Just wondering if anyone who has talked to these boys has any idea why they didn't go to the local police.
Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.
--Ambrose Bierce
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Good questions, Antigen.
This ANON poster seems to want others to believe SOMEONE simply wanted these boys to just run off from the "safe, loving Whitmore" and attend what is NOW being presented as SEVERAL concerts, with HUNDREDS of dollars of pocket money.
Why did they run? Why did the worker at Whitmore help them, and why doesn't she work there any longer? WHO did they run TO?
As you said: Other adults were involved, believed the reports of their abuse, and reacted.
AND: why would these parents "who love their sons" even think about returning these boys to the Whit when one of the owners has been CHARGED with 7 counts of abuse against 4 different children? What makes sense about THAT?
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Casey and Mackey have not returned to Whitmore. Casey is home and doing well, Mackey is out on his own apparently doing fine.
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So the 3rd boy IS back at the Whitmore, then?
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On 2005-07-06 11:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If something were to happen to the missing boy on this journey "to find himself", you better belive that the individual responsible for providing the money, tickets and propaganda will be held responsible. I know that for a fact. I bet she's keeping her fingers crossed that EVERYONE returns safely, so she can be out of hot water. No denying that.
Speculate all you wish, but I'm fairly certain that ALL 3 boys will go back to Whitmore and not by force. Their parents love these boys and are willing to do anything to help them develop into sucessful young men. I know that ALL of the boys have confirmed that there was NO abuse at Whitmore, and they left because SOMEONE provided the means to a group of young, immature, troubled young men. When I was that young, I would have thought it would have been a fun idea to travel cross country with friends and travelling to different concerts. Especially with $750 burning a hole in my pocket!
I cant believe what I read on these message boards. It is extremely vengeful, immature and genuinely unacceptable. "
"Generally unacceptable?"
By whose standards? An anonymous Whitmore program apologist/supporter?
That's not just ridiculous, it's downright laughable.
:rofl:
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Question:
If a kid is coerced/forced back into a program under investigation and where one of the owners has been charged with breaking the law and may even be named in a civil lawsuit, does that kid have any legal recourse of their own whether they are 18 or not?
Anybody know???????
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Could those kids still at Whitmore turn themselves over to DCFS for protection, since thier parents choose to leave them at a place where the owner has been charged with child abuse, and where the investigation is STILL ongoing?
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Technically, yeah, they probably do. But it's a catch 22. They'd have to turn themselves and their parents over to the tender mercies of the child welfare people or the civil and possibly criminal courts. Most kids are actually unwilling to do unto their parents what has been done unto them. Most kids just want their freedom and to patch things up w/ their families.
And I think they're right about that. I'm both skeptical and ambivalent about all these legal actions against programs. Not being omnicient myself, I'm always willing to give anybody the benefit of the doubt and to take a Wilsonian watch and wait approach. But, for the most part, I think the legal actions serve only to further complicate things. They do generate some publicity and, thereby, foster some much needed discussion and fact finding. But I honestly don't think that's the best way to accomplish that. OTOH, I don't think there's any better way to tank the finances of wrong doers except by tort law. So... I'm back to ambivalent. Maybe it is the best way to proceed and I'm just an idealistic dreamer, wishing there were a better way.
Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause.
--George Washington, Revolutionary War General and U.S. President
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haha you people still dont know what is going on. And yes, the 3rd boy, Mike is back at the whitmore.
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If you are a kid in a program in Utah, you can and must report ABUSE under the Utah Abuse and Neglect Reporting Law (something most kids don't even know about):
UTAH ABUSE AND NEGLECT REPORTING LAW
U.C.A. Section 62A-4-503,62A-3-302
1. Any person, including, but not limited to, any social worker, physician, psychologist, nurse, teacher, or employee, who has a reason to believe that any person has been subject to abuse, neglect, or exploitation, shall immediately notify the nearest peace officer, law enforcement agency, or protective services agency.
2. Anyone who, in good faith, makes such a report shall be immune from civil liability in connection with the report.
3. When the initial report is made to the peace officer or law enforcement agency, such officer or agency shall immediately notify the nearest protective services agency and the agency shall initiate protective service procedures as
provided in this chapter. When the initial report is made to the protective services agency, and it appears that the abuse, neglect, or exploitation has caused serious injury or a serious imposition on the rights of the person, the agency shall immediately notify the local law enforcement agency, which shall initiate an investigation, and in cooperation with the protective services agency, initiate appropriate protective service procedures.
4. Any person required to report a suspected case of abuse, neglect, or exploitation, who willfully fails to do so, is guilty of a class B misdemeanor.
5. Any person who abuses, neglects, or exploits, is guilty of a third degree felony
In Utah, call 9-1-1 and ask them to connect you to the LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT or CHILDREN'S PROTECTIVE SERVICES (CPS) AGENCY.
Hope this helps!
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i went to the whitmore and i can honestly say cheryl is a bi-polar bitch and the whitmore is just one big expensive lie. i really fucking hate cheryl and her fag ass son brek.
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Wow, that was really low. Cheryl is unstable and frankly, a bitch so I really don't have an objection to your comment about her especially because she's an adult. But Brek is 11 or 12 years old- can you imagine living with such an unstable mother? One who never pays any attention to you because she's too busy "treating" everyone else? I'd be a little screwed up too. Think about what one year with her does to kids...now think about his almost 12 years. I don't think that was an appropriate comment at all.
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What "was really low?" What comment had anything to do with the Sudweeks young boy?
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I re-read and saw the crude, unacceptable remark about the Sudweeks young son. Absolutely, totally uncalled for--this boy is a child and should not be called any names, and should not have his name posted. Whoever posted that is way out of line.
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No kidding, Tha Truth! That hurt. Very close to home. When I was 12, I'd already spent half my life in a very similar cult. I was an asshole!, pure and simple. But I hadn't yet come of age. I'm very grateful to those who understood and cut me some slack and quite resentful toward those who should have known better but just didn't bother.
If they can get you to ask the wrong questions they don't have to worry about the answers
--Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow (Proverbs for Paranoids)
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Talking about someones child is the worst form of evil!!!!!! Especially one as young as he is.
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Someone's child? Have you more sympaty for Cheryl than for Brek? I feel sorry for Brek and hope that, one day, he'll come out from under it all and have some peace.
Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proven innocent.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author
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Isn't that what parents do?......sad wives, warp the children...........get real........focuse on her crimes. not her sad life............
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Have no sympathy for Cheryl Sudweeks.
Really feel sorry for this boy who has been raised in this setting. He sits in on these marathon GROUPS led by his out-of-control mother, observes the beating up of kids by other kids, and all the other unacceptable goings on at the Whitmore. It is really a shame.
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Does the state of Utah know this child is being exposed to this kind of behavior or is he considered an enrolled "student" of Whitmore?
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The DCFS is aware that this young boy lives in this situation. When asked why this agency does nothing, the answer was: "there has been no formal report of abuse of this boy against the parents." This boy does "attend school" along with the other kids there, and participates in all the activities according to our child who was enrolled there. His sister who just turned 18 was also raised in this mess, and is now listed as a "Staff Member."
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On 2005-07-06 22:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The DCFS is aware that this young boy lives in this situation. When asked why this agency does nothing, the answer was: "there has been no formal report of abuse of this boy against the parents." This boy does "attend school" along with the other kids there, and participates in all the activities according to our child who was enrolled there. His sister who just turned 18 was also raised in this mess, and is now listed as a "Staff Member.""
Thanks for your reply Anon, it's a shame more program parents and their children are not aware of the Utah Abuse Reporting Law. Perhaps these programs would be more inclined to clean up their act than risk being put out of business?
SUNLIGHT IS THE BEST DISINFECTANT.
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Antigen, you stated you were "...skeptical, ambivalent about legal actions against programs....although they could bring about discussion and fact-finding...."
Most parents and former "students" of these programs often do not find forums such as FORNITS until after-the-fact.
Many parents do not turn to attorneys and law suits until after they have been turned away by every agency they go to trying to get "help" in rectifying the damage these programs have done, and are still doing to children.
As you have stated about these programs: These owners have deeper goals, and motives than the almighty DOLLAR. The same goes for parents who file these law suits. Their goals are not all about monetary gain either.
Parents want these program owners,to be held accountable for their unacceptable, abusive and often criminal behaviors.
And parents want these owners and programs brought to the public's attentions to perhaps stop other parents from sending their children to these programs.
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I understand where Ginger is coming from ... personally I'm all for kids suing a program and being awarded huge settlements as it is the children who pay the biggest price and also, it will send a message to insurance underwriters to beware when insuring these programs ... RAISE THE PREMIUM ... make the programs pay through the nose for abuse insurance.
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Hey everyone this is Mackey..
To whomever said that I would go back, you are wrong I am out on my own doing just fine. I have bene doing great nad hvae bene maing money. I do plan on going back to the WHitmore Academy in August, just to sign myself out of my contract and to get all of my stuff.. which i did write down so it couldnt "go missing." KC is at home doing just fine from what I have heard, and Mike got sent back there for reasons I do not know of. Yes I made it, and I the only to escape and NOT go back, I beat Chris' record of a month, and nothing can stop me. I just want to aware people that I am doing just fine adn not to worry about me, if you would like contact with me feel free to e-mail me @ mackey2310@yahoo.com , and if you wish you can leave a number and I will be in contact with you, feel free to ask me any questions and what not, but nothing relating to the whereabouts of me because I cant say. Thank you and DONT BE SCHWAG
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Good luck on getting any of your stuff back Mackey--probably won't happen. Don't know what you mean about "signing yourself out of any contract." You parents signed the contract with the Sudweeks, right? Probably should save yourself the price of the ticket---just replace anything you left there, and write it all off as a "loss." Put the Whitmore experience behind you lad. Glad to hear you are doing good.
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On 2005-07-09 06:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hey everyone this is Mackey..
To whomever said that I would go back, you are wrong I am out on my own doing just fine. I have bene doing great nad hvae bene maing money. I do plan on going back to the WHitmore Academy in August, just to sign myself out of my contract and to get all of my stuff.. which i did write down so it couldnt "go missing." KC is at home doing just fine from what I have heard, and Mike got sent back there for reasons I do not know of. Yes I made it, and I the only to escape and NOT go back, I beat Chris' record of a month, and nothing can stop me. I just want to aware people that I am doing just fine adn not to worry about me, if you would like contact with me feel free to e-mail me @ mackey2310@yahoo.com , and if you wish you can leave a number and I will be in contact with you, feel free to ask me any questions and what not, but nothing relating to the whereabouts of me because I cant say. Thank you and DONT BE SCHWAG"
Good luck to you Mackey. Unless you signed a contract with the Sudweeks, which, by the way, would be invalid, since you would have been under the age of 18, no reason to do anything. In fact, you can't do anything.
As far as your things, kiss them good-bye. Unless you took your stuff when you left, you are more than likely not going to get it now. Ask anyone who has tried. It just sort of disappears.
It would probably be a good choice on your part not to even go near the Whitmore or the Sudweeks.
You sound like you are doing well, just stay focused on that.
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Often when 18 years olds ask for their belongings they are told that the clothing, etc belongs to their parents. You really should get in touch with them. I'm sure they are concerned about you and possibly they will help you.
Faith means not wanting to know what is true.
--Freidrich Nietzsche, German philosopher
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i agree 100 percent
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For Mackey to contanct his parents, it'll probably mean the end of his little adventure or whatever. If the dude is really serious about being 18 and on his own....I say forget about your stuff and just replace it or do without it.
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It's funny. My mom hid my $150 guitar in her attic for something like 7 years. She thought I'd hit bottom, come crawling back, yadda yadda, w/e. I should restring it and see if any of the kids take an interest.
Moralizing, with the force of law or coercion, is a
far greater crime against the constitutional principles of our nation than unauthorized euphoria, regardless of the substance involved, be it chocolate or heroin.
--James
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Oh no, I wouldn't go NEAR that place. Unless you're 18 and have a police escort. Seriously, two words...police escort.
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you have no damn clue what so ever his parents would or would not do. He is being influenced by an outsider who only wants to get even with Cheryl....that is reality
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On 2005-07-11 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you have no damn clue what so ever his parents would or would not do. He is being influenced by an outsider who only wants to get even with Cheryl....that is reality"
Get even for What?
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Hey Anon, isn't this kid almost 18 years old? If so, then it seems to me if he's old enough to be drafted by Uncle Sam and shipped off to some place like Iraq, he's old enough to decide for himself whether he wants to be in some program in Utah. It's really an issue between this young man and his folks. After he turns 18, he's an adult and the playing field is level. Hopefully he can return home and get on with getting a job or going to college. Life is too short for parents to drive a wedge between themselves and their children. Personally, I think the parents should keep it all in perspective and after their son turns 18 and wants to come home, they should welcome him with open arms. Put down the parent manual and embrace the joy of parenting the old-fashioned way: teaching your children by example.
:grin:
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On 2005-07-11 15:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you have no damn clue what so ever his parents would or would not do. He is being influenced by an outsider who only wants to get even with Cheryl....that is reality"
Big old flapping Red flag here, Mackey! Even after your birthday, I'd be very careful if I were you. Evidently, these folks don't think you're capable of thinking for yourself. If that's so, then they could very well take steps to remove your autonomy and do it with the approval of their own conciences.
If there is a God, he is a malign thug.
--Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author and humorist
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there is no draft. It is an all voluntary military...chack your facts
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On 2005-07-11 16:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there is no draft. It is an all voluntary military...chack your facts"
That is correct, the U.S. discontinued the draft in 1973. Today, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency; young men are required to register so that a draft can be more readily resumed. The U.S. armed forces are now designated as "all-volunteer", although, beginning in 2004, some enlisted personnel were involuntarily kept in the Army after their initial commitments had expired.
In 1980, Congress re-instated the requirement that young men register with the Selective Service System. Currently, male U.S. citizens and many male aliens living in the U.S., if age 18 through 25, are required to register with the Selective Service System, which describes its mission as "preparing to manage a draft if and when Congress and the President so direct.
So ... the question is WHY must young men ages 18 to 25 register with the SSS?
To make it easier to DRAFT them into military service if so ordered by Congress and the Chief Commanding Officer (the President).
Ironic isn't it? Minors can be forced into a private gulag until they turn 18 at which time they are considered old enough to be forced to fight for such basic human and civl rights as freedom of speech, right to assembly, right to bear arms, right to DUE-PROCESS before being institutionalized, etc.
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On 2005-07-11 16:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-11 16:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there is no draft. It is an all voluntary military...chack your facts"
That is correct, the U.S. discontinued the draft in 1973. Today, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency; young men are required to register so that a draft can be more readily resumed. The U.S. armed forces are now designated as "all-volunteer", although, beginning in 2004, some enlisted personnel were involuntarily kept in the Army after their initial commitments had expired.
In 1980, Congress re-instated the requirement that young men register with the Selective Service System. Currently, male U.S. citizens and many male aliens living in the U.S., if age 18 through 25, are required to register with the Selective Service System, which describes its mission as "preparing to manage a draft if and when Congress and the President so direct.
So ... the question is WHY must young men ages 18 to 25 register with the SSS?
To make it easier to DRAFT them into military service if so ordered by Congress and the Chief Commanding Officer (the President).
Ironic isn't it? Minors can be forced into a private gulag until they turn 18 at which time they are considered old enough to be forced to fight for such basic human and civl rights as freedom of speech, right to assembly, right to bear arms, right to DUE-PROCESS before being institutionalized, etc.
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Come to think of it, the military offers some of the best boot camp training out there ... and guess what? They pay you to go through it instead of the other way around.
:rofl:
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that's correct and they do not have Joyce Harris to get in the way
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On 2005-07-12 11:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-07-11 16:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"
On 2005-07-11 16:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"there is no draft. It is an all voluntary military...chack your facts"
That is correct, the U.S. discontinued the draft in 1973. Today, the Selective Service System remains in place as a contingency; young men are required to register so that a draft can be more readily resumed. The U.S. armed forces are now designated as "all-volunteer", although, beginning in 2004, some enlisted personnel were involuntarily kept in the Army after their initial commitments had expired.
In 1980, Congress re-instated the requirement that young men register with the Selective Service System. Currently, male U.S. citizens and many male aliens living in the U.S., if age 18 through 25, are required to register with the Selective Service System, which describes its mission as "preparing to manage a draft if and when Congress and the President so direct.
So ... the question is WHY must young men ages 18 to 25 register with the SSS?
To make it easier to DRAFT them into military service if so ordered by Congress and the Chief Commanding Officer (the President).
Ironic isn't it? Minors can be forced into a private gulag until they turn 18 at which time they are considered old enough to be forced to fight for such basic human and civl rights as freedom of speech, right to assembly, right to bear arms, right to DUE-PROCESS before being institutionalized, etc.
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Come to think of it, the military offers some of the best boot camp training out there ... and guess what? They pay you to go through it instead of the other way around.
:rofl: "
Hell as it may be, getting through Uncle Sam's behavior modification program at least will get you some very good health benefits, fairly good housing, funding for college, etc.
So ...screw the wanna-be "drill sergeant" program parents and their tough-love regimen. They can take that job and shove it!
:rofl:
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Wow now the KOOL-AID DRINKERS even think Joyce Harris contols the Military. You people are sickos!!
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Move over Donald Rumsfeld...Joyce Harris is going to take over your job.
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Hey its Mackey here again
I am back home in a way and on my own in a way. I have been in contact with my parents and they are helping me with my transition. We are hoping to be able to get all of my stuff back, because theres a lot of personal stuff there that I would want back, and would kinda suck to lose. I am doing really well back home, and I am keeping it real and enjoying my life as a kid while I still have those "freedoms." Thank you to all for your care and worry about me while on my adventure away from the Whitmore, your support is greatly appreciated. If you have any questions about the Whitmore, or just want to chat feel free to get me on AIM @ Man From Aussie , or via e-mail @ mackey2310@yahoo.com
ADIOS
-Mackey
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Hello people,
I would like to clear something up. Joyce Harris, in no way, shape or form told us to runaway, or gave us any ideas. She is a good woman and is only looking out for the teens that are left there at the Whitmore. Well that is all.
-Mackey
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Mackey,
Thank you for posting.
I am glad that you are safely home, and working things out with your parents. I wish you the very best.
I stated that I never instigated you boys running away from the Whitmore.
Joyce Harris
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hold up i heard toooooons dif shit. mackey just glad he got fuckin $500, that why he sayin shit up there like that, thats why he doin her like that. i talked to the two others an they both said joyce said GO TO BONAROO an wired money to them. she bought their tix, paid them extra, an has been PAYING FOR CHRIS'S APARTMENT FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS. ya thats rite joyce you caught BIIIIIITCH. bribery we have now is it??? im sorry but 2/3 say you a bitch. they tell truth STRAIGHT UP..... fuckin idiot here prolly dont know rite from left. aint that rite loser? PUUUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSYYYYYYYYYY!!!!! ur gf dont even want u no more!!! :lol:
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You people are delusional!
If anyone pays for Chris's apartment, it is himself, or his parents. He is a college student. His mother Mary Gentile posts here, and it is evident that she cares for and supports her son. You people do need to get a life!
Thought you had posted Joyce Harris was on food stamps, now she's supporting the universe?
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On 2005-07-14 22:03:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Hello people,
I would like to clear something up. Joyce Harris, in no way, shape or form told us to runaway, or gave us any ideas. She is a good woman and is only looking out for the teens that are left there at the Whitmore. Well that is all.
-Mackey"
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On 2005-07-15 07:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You people are delusional!
If anyone pays for Chris's apartment, it is himself, or his parents. He is a college student. His mother Mary Gentile posts here, and it is evident that she cares for and supports her son. You people do need to get a life!
Thought you had posted Joyce Harris was on food stamps, now she's supporting the universe?
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so fuckn ask mary why dont u. an i said she PRAY FOR FOOD STAMPS aint on em wit a house like hers. YA I SEEN YOUR HOUSE BIIIIITCH!!!! i know he in college an i know where too. but theres a lil thing in dis world called BRIBERY an joyce luv it.
"lovely"
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What do you mean, you saw her house?
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i mean i saw her fuckn house. WHAT THE FUCK ELSE WOULD THAT MEAN. fucker.
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Yeah right!
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Sorry to bust your bubble but Joyce Harris is not paying for anything. And has NEVER sent ME any money for any reason. Get your facts straight. By the way, what is your involvement in this matter anyways? What position are you, an anonymous poster, in to be able to make statements like that.
Also, why are you using my mother's name on a first-name basis. You do not know her, just as I don't know who you are.
Chris
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actually i do, u dont even know who i am so why the fuck u tryin to say you know who i know or not. wtf. im in the position that im on a forum so i can say wat i want if u like it or not. btw a lot of peeps callin ur mom mary, jus look around an im sure they dont know her. ud know me if u saw me and i know u too. i am involved in this shit jus like u are. an why would u tell about a bribe ne ways? obvious lie.
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Maybe this young man is not the LIAR!
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Actually, I think I know exactly who you are. I'll be calling you in a bit. Also, if you're in contact with my mom why don't you ask her who pays my rent.... SHE DOES, you fool.
Hey anon... You still into jada kiss and devon the dude? :wink:
Chris
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actually chris joyce has wired money in your name to chicago and im getting a little concerned by her obsession with you. marygentile
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No concerns with the LIE about who pays your son's rent, tho Mary Gentile?
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what do you mean??? mary
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Previous posting Mary Gentile from Whitmore said Joyce Harris had been paying Chris's rent FOR MONTHS. Is that not a lie? Does that lying posting not concern you?
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i am mary and i have never posted that she paid for his rent i know that she has wired money in his name.
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You need to READ lady. Someone from Whitmore posted that!