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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 29, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
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On 2005-06-29 09:04:00, Paul wrote:
"From an outsider of this teen behavior modification industry, it is the complainers and insult mongers who who make me wonder if your enrollment was your own fault. Sadly nothing seems to have changed in your lives, the only consistancy is juvenile annoyance."
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 100#113541 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2440&forum=7&start=100#113541)
second question: Who thinks Paul is a jackass?
Comments/Questions?
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Let him stay and make a fool of himself. Free entertainment. :lol:
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Paul, as an admitted "outsider" who was never in a teen torture facility, what the fuck gives you the right, or the fucking gall to even remotely suggest that our being there was our fault? I was kinda watching your little tiff from the sidelines, and hell, maybe even leaning toward your side slightly, but after reading the choice bullshit your slinging in the quote above, I gotta say "Fuck off, asshole." It's shits like you that allow the perpetuation of teen torture facilities by insinuating that somehow teens deserved to be treated that way. You are no different in your thinking than some asswipe failure of a parent who thinks to themselves "the kid disagrees with me, they must be crazy----I'll send them to Straight". Assholes like yourself should be drawn and quartereed in a public square after being sodomized vigorously with L. Ron Hubbard's dried shinbone. Fuck you, Paul, I hope you get run over by a rusty pickup truck filled with pigshit. Shitheads like yourself have no businesss posting here, and I would hope that you have the commonn courtesy to leave a place where you are so obviously not wanted. Eat shit and die, motherfucker.
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*rubbing hands together* :rofl:
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I think Paul should stay and say whatever the fuck he wants...same feeling goes for everyone.
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I think Paul is a jackass, and I'd like to see him leave this forum. I don't think he should be banned, but I'd like to see his sorry ass leave.
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On 2005-06-29 09:04:00, Paul wrote:
From an outsider of this teen behavior modification industry, it is the complainers and insult mongers who who make me wonder if your enrollment was your own fault. Sadly nothing seems to have changed in your lives, the only consistancy is juvenile annoyance."
He can't seem to help himself, is incapable of backing down (much like animals) and shows very little self-control. He?s a self-admitted bipolar, and from my experience, bipolars don?t know when to stop pushing, and don?t know how to hold their tongues, even when nothing of value can come of what they say. He's rude and he feels justified for no particular reason because he can?t see past his own needs getting met. He has delusions of grandeur, which?s why he has this arrogance and irrational self-entitlement issue with the people of this forum. He can?t relate to what you survivors talk about because he?s not one, and has nothing substantial to add, with the exception of his own one-sided, self-serving, fish bowl perspective. I was leaning his way too when I heard he was banned until I saw exactly what it was that Ginger was talking about with my own eyes. It is old. It's old and I've only been following his posts for 2 days.
The above quote is the kind of antagonistic goad that a selfish person uses whose only goal is to hurt, insult, or flame. It serves no objective and adds nothing but fanatical emotional instability to the discussion. He?s a name caller and an instigator.
Ignore him and he might go away. The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.
--William Osler
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"Until you value yourself, you won't value your time. Until you value your time, you will not do anything with it." - M. Scott Peck
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Nicely done, a thread for thin skinned folks!
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On 2005-06-29 16:21:00, Paul wrote:
"Nicely done, a thread for thin skinned folks!"
Thanks, I thought you'd like it! ::fuckoff::
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On 2005-06-29 09:35:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Let him stay and make a fool of himself. Free entertainment. :lol:
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On 2005-06-29 19:25:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
no thin skin here, Paul...
Excellent, glad to hear it!
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As long as he doesn't offend the admins and he lets them write offensive lying bullshit back to him, they'll let him stay. In fact, they'll ask him to privately suck their dicks, especially that one named Ginger, as long as he eats their shit. He sounds like a pig. oink. let the troll stay. let the troll STAY!!!
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Who thinks these guys should get over their obsession with Paul's obsession?
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Yes, I think Paul is a jackass.
I could give a shit if he stays or leaves, that's up to him/her.
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Who thinks that Carmel should get over her obsession with people getting over their 'obsession' with Paul's obsession? :lol:
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On 2005-06-30 08:25:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Who thinks that Carmel should get over her obsession with people getting over their 'obsession' with Paul's obsession? :lol:"
Frank Discussion,
Perhaps you could try focusing on the topic, instead
of me? Carmel is not posting about me, she is posting about what I am posting, and being criticized for ... got it?
I am losing track of the insults and accusations and diagnosis being tossed at me, if someone could record them all I would very much appreciate it.
Now as for my obsession, what again, am I obsessed about?
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Do a fucking moral inventory BITCH.
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I have to agree with the Psychiatrist on this one. How could anyone who has not been where we have even grasp severity of what we endured? I also think Paul should step back and see where self-centered self-absorbtion traits play a major part of his character make up. As for us we know the demons which we live with, maybe he's jealous and had a candy coated child-hood which could not compare to our living hell. We share a comon bond where he does not fit in.
And now the liberals want to stop President Reagan from selling chemical warfare agents and military equipment to Saddam Hussein and why? Because Saddam 'allegedly' gassed a few Kurds in his own country. Mark my words. All of this talk of Saddam Hussein being a 'war criminal' or 'committing crimes against humanity' is the same old thing. LIBERAL HATE SPEECH! and speaking of poison gas... I SAY WE ROUND UP ALL THE DRUG ADDICTS AND GAS THEM TOO!
--Rush Limbaugh, November 3, 1988
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Do a fucking moral inventory BITCH.
::bangin:: ::argue:: :nworthy: :idea:
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On 2005-06-30 11:51:00, Frank Discussion wrote:
"Do a fucking moral inventory BITCH.
::bangin:: ::argue:: :nworthy: :idea:"
Clearly if I recognize no obsession on my part a moral inventory would not be required.
If you can't tell what I am obsessed about, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting that I am obsessed!
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On 2005-06-30 11:19:00, Paul wrote:
Now as for my obsession, what again, am I obsessed about?"
Winning an arguement that exists only in your mind. The drug war places Leo in a round room and instructs him to piss in a corner.
--Antigen
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On 2005-06-30 12:00:00, The Psychiatrist wrote:
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On 2005-06-30 11:19:00, Paul wrote:
Now as for my obsession, what again, am I obsessed about?"
Winning an arguement that exists only in your mind.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2005-06-30 12:00:00, The Psychiatrist wrote:
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On 2005-06-30 11:19:00, Paul wrote:
Now as for my obsession, what again, am I obsessed about?"
Winning an arguement that exists only in your mind. The drug war places Leo in a round room and instructs him to piss in a corner.
--Antigen
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For those who don't understand my position, on all subjects:
Understand the law and your rights.
Make sure you have the freedom of choice.
Seek and receive unbiased information and
know the source of information.
Know how to opt-out of treatments or programs
the right way.
Know how to contact an advocate if you are
having trouble.
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That my friends is the basic foundation of my
advocacy.
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On 2005-06-30 12:03:00, Paul wrote:
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On 2005-06-30 12:00:00, The Psychiatrist wrote:
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On 2005-06-30 11:19:00, Paul wrote:
Now as for my obsession, what again, am I obsessed about?"
Winning an arguement that exists only in your mind. The drug war places Leo in a round room and instructs him to piss in a corner.
--Antigen
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Know how to opt-out of treatments or programs
the right way.
We wern't Navy Seals dick, we were kids.
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On 2005-06-30 12:07:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
We wern't Navy Seals dick, we were kids.
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Your point?
Regardless of whether you are a child or an adult,
knowing your rights will always matter.
Knowing how to process your rights will always matter.
If you are a child, helping your parents understand both your rights as a child and your parents right will always matter.
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Hmmm, I don't know why my last reply was dark?
Here it is again:
"On 2005-06-30 12:07:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
We wern't Navy Seals dick, we were kids.
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I wrote:
Your point?
Regardless of whether you are a child or an adult,
knowing your rights will always matter.
Knowing how to process your rights will always matter.
If you are a child, helping your parents understand both your rights as a child and your parents right will always matter.
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knowing our rights didn't mean SHIT in Straight, asshole. Maybe if you'd been there, you would know that. Stop wasting bandwidth with your stupid dissertations.
Maybe a stay at SIBS would give you a little perspective......
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On 2005-06-30 12:00:00, Paul wrote:
"If you can't tell what I am obsessed about, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting that I am obsessed!"
Well, I know you are obsessed with Deborah. That much is obvious.
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On 2005-06-30 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
"knowing our rights didn't mean SHIT in Straight, asshole. Maybe if you'd been there, you would know that. Stop wasting bandwidth with your stupid dissertations.
Maybe a stay at SIBS would give you a little perspective...... "
I understand your frustration then.
This is now. If you just want to rant about that past, OK, you have that right.
If I want to make comments about today, perhaps I should have that right?
If you want to help others, you could, that is your choice. That is what an advocate does.
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Paul.....Apparently your arogance over clouds you mind from facts. We were kids with almost absolutly no choice in the matter of going there, hence the term forced against our wills. Some of us were court ordered. As for the abuse in a way I am grateful you do not understand because I would not wish it on my worst enemies and only we who were there could comprehend what this forum is about.
As far as your obsession goes I see the obsession being having the last word on something you know absolutely nothing about.God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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When we were all at Straight, Dont you know we should have picked up the phone and called a lawyer? HAHA! When the cops didnt listen to me when I told them how Straight was and they took me back to Straight I shoulda picked up the phone and called a lawyer! It was so simple, Walk over, pick up the phonebook, call a lawyer, no problem!
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Yeah, we should've called HRS or something. Wow, were so stupid, not knowing our rights. I wish Paul had been there back then to act as my "advocate"......
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hahaha... :silly:
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On 2005-06-30 12:25:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-30 12:00:00, Paul wrote:
"If you can't tell what I am obsessed about, then perhaps you shouldn't be posting that I am obsessed!"
Well, I know you are obsessed with Deborah. That much is obvious. "
I don't agree with you.
Deborah is a prolific poster on cerain issues. I don't know all of what she posts on at Fornits. As I told Ginger when I joined, that my only contribution could be in the area of mental health where I am an advocate.
When Deborah floods an issue and doesn't make clear who her references are from. It can be dangerous for those attempting to make an unbiased
decision on what type of treatment to seek.
I would be remis in not pointing that out.
She could have just said, oh yeah, I will make that clear.
Instead she has consistantly attacked me.
Even Ginger told her to read up on the COS!
No one, not even Deborah, gave Ginger a hard
time for that post.
I am villified. Whatever!
Perhaps I should never have posted and said that there are rights attached to every law.
Perhaps I shouldn't post when a law reads that it is voluntary. I have now realized even posting the word voluntary will guarantee and onslaught of abuse towards me.
Perhaps if someone posts absolutes and states that a certain medication or treatment such as ECT causes brain damage ... everytime ... that I should not point out that is not accurate. Whatever, so I choose to point out innacuracies. Is that really such a big deal?
Look, if you don't like my posts, just don't read them.
I could care less about Deborah. I do care about biased and misleading posts in the area where a have some knowledge. If you would like to continue to criticize me for that, then, obviously that is your right. No one will stop you. Have fun.
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On 2005-06-30 12:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Yeah, we should've called HRS or something. Wow, were so stupid, not knowing our rights. I wish Paul had been there back then to act as my "advocate"......"
Me too!
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On 2005-06-30 12:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"When we were all at Straight, Dont you know we should have picked up the phone and called a lawyer? HAHA! When the cops didnt listen to me when I told them how Straight was and they took me back to Straight I shoulda picked up the phone and called a lawyer! It was so simple, Walk over, pick up the phonebook, call a lawyer, no problem!"
Perhaps calling a child advocacy group may have been effective.
Perhaps advocating now with the department of education that all schools have an advocates number posted would help.
This was done at all inpatient mental health facilites, actually outpatient too. Why couldn't it be done in schools?
Has it been attempted?
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Why don't you take your fucking pollyannic "advocacy" somewhere else? You weren't in Straight, obviously know nothing about it, and have insinuated that we deserved to be there. Take your OCD meds and LEAVE!!!!!
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On 2005-06-30 12:28:00, DOC SLOW wrote:
"Paul.....Apparently your arogance over clouds you mind from facts. We were kids with almost absolutly no choice in the matter of going there, hence the term forced against our wills. Some of us were court ordered. As for the abuse in a way I am grateful you do not understand because I would not wish it on my worst enemies and only we who were there could comprehend what this forum is about.
As far as your obsession goes I see the obsession being having the last word on something you know absolutely nothing about.God is inconceivable, immortality is unbelievable, but duty is peremptory and absolute.
--George Eliot, author
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Like I said, if it is just a forum to rant and get your anger out. I will leave.
If you all want to do something about the future I will stick around.
I don't believe anyone can change your past and remove those events from your reality.
As far as you stating that I am obsessed with having the last word on items that I know nothing about. I disagree.
But, hey, thanks for motivating me to create a signature ...
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On 2005-06-30 12:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Why don't you take your fucking pollyannic "advocacy" somewhere else? You weren't in Straight, obviously know nothing about it, and have insinuated that we deserved to be there. Take your OCD meds and LEAVE!!!!!"
Funny, you are taking a statement to one person, that was made as a comparison, to heart.
Please look at what I said again, and understand that I was asking the person to compare how they where acting to what I then said.
Or don't ...
If you couldn't understand that then, and you don't feel you would understand it any clearer upon revisiting the original post, really, just don't bother.
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One person or many, you said it, asswipe. Now go.....
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On 2005-06-30 12:43:00, Anonymous wrote:
Take your OCD meds and LEAVE!!!!!"
FYI, I am not on OCD meds.
I hope you don't think this is yet another example
of my having to have the last word.
You made a mis-statement, I corrected it, that is all.
OK, I am off to a meeting. Perhaps that will enable
someone to be happy :smile:
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something in the way you post paul is fucking up the forum I think..
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If someone would like to find my statement that
is pissing you all off, and repost, I would
be more than happy to review it!
As for the insults, those are your choices!
Should I respond to each insult, tit for tat?
:smile:
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You got to love a guy who come in the forum and invites everyone to blow his shit away.
" Paul... Just for the record you're one hell of a guy !!! "History does not record anywhere or at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unkonwn without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author
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On 2005-06-30 12:51:00, Anonymous wrote:
"something in the way you post paul is fucking up the forum I think.."
Now that is constructive, and I would like to hear more. Seriously. Any help on what happened here will be appreciated by me.
Gotta go, thanks for this comment.
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Hey, I just noticed this sub topic header:
"Like the layers of bullshit on Paul's head"
I laughed out loud ... good one!
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I meant the way your posts mess up the appearance of the forum, idiot. Your quotes and editing are fucking up the pages. Get off your high horse you dingleberry.
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On 2005-06-29 09:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-29 09:04:00, Paul wrote:
"From an outsider of this teen behavior modification industry, it is the complainers and insult mongers who who make me wonder if your enrollment was your own fault. Sadly nothing seems to have changed in your lives, the only consistancy is juvenile annoyance."
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... 100#113541 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=2440&forum=7&start=100#113541)
second question: Who thinks Paul is a jackass?
Comments/Questions?"
This statement for one.. along with many others.
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i could care less if you stay. but I will call it like I see it, and youre a jackass.
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Should I respond to each insult, tit for tat?
Yes, you are quit entertaining! :rofl:
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OK, I am off to a meeting. Perhaps that will enable
someone to be happy
::eek3::
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MEETING?
ENABLE???
Ahhhhhh!!!!!!
*runs screaming in terror*
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On 2005-06-30 12:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i could care less if you stay. but I will call it like I see it, and youre a jackass. "
Indeed.
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kewl. spamminating is awesome on a forum like this where people can lie and say they have degrees or that they were in a program. excellent.
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On 2005-06-30 13:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"MEETING?
ENABLE???
Ahhhhhh!!!!!!
*runs screaming in terror*"
It was an administrative hearing.
The enable statement was referring to my logging
off might have made some people happy.
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On 2005-06-30 12:55:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I meant the way your posts mess up the appearance of the forum, idiot. Your quotes and editing are fucking up the pages. Get off your high horse you dingleberry. "
Allright, you have me laughing again, thanks!
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On 2005-06-30 13:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
OK, I am off to a meeting. Perhaps that will enable
someone to be happy
[Paul] "My name is Paul, and I am an addict"
[group] "Hi, Paul!"
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ah crap now I fucked up this page...
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[Paul] "My name is Paul, and I am an addict"
[group] "Hi, Paul!"
OK, so you proved that you don't know what administration means.
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You're right, I don't. Can you explain it to me?
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ad-min-is-tration
This is all so damn complicated! Why won't you help me?!?! ::mecry::
Might you be my intelligence advocate?
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On 2005-06-30 11:50:00, DOC SLOW wrote:
"I have to agree with the Psychiatrist on this one. How could anyone who has not been where we have even grasp severity of what we endured? I also think Paul should step back and see where self-centered self-absorbtion traits play a major part of his character make up. As for us we know the demons which we live with, maybe he's jealous and had a candy coated child-hood which could not compare to our living hell. We share a comon bond where he does not fit in.And now the liberals want to stop President Reagan from selling chemical warfare agents and military equipment to Saddam Hussein and why? Because Saddam 'allegedly' gassed a few Kurds in his own country. Mark my words. All of this talk of Saddam Hussein being a 'war criminal' or 'committing crimes against humanity' is the same old thing. LIBERAL HATE SPEECH! and speaking of poison gas... I SAY WE ROUND UP ALL THE DRUG ADDICTS AND GAS THEM TOO!
--Rush Limbaugh, November 3, 1988
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You guys are WAY over analyzing Paul.
So what if he cant imagine the severity of what we endured? Isnt the whole idea of this forum, or even this movement to get people to at least try?
Thats like saying you want everyone to know about what happened to us and about the program, but they dont count unless they were actually IN the program. Thats just silly.
Self absorbed is about the last thing this guy is. He keeps trying to engage in dialouge and debate of at least some value, and all you guys keep doing is ridiculing and insulting him. Not to mention I am STILL floored that you would pounce on someone like this when all the bullshit on this forum goes regulary untouched.
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Scenario; A healthy minded individual offers his/her opinion and input to a crowd who boos them off the stage. The man takes his things, thanks the audience for their time, and leaves.
What he does not do is stay and try to reason with raving lunatics yelling, "fuck you!" and "get the fuck out of here, you jackass!"
The PROBLEM is that Paul, continues to engage with people who clearly do not take him seriously, and think he's an ass. WHY would he do this unless it was in some way serving him to do so? Paul's passive way of playing victim to the Fornit's board has hooked you, Carmel. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Paul just likes to argue with folks?
This board is full of bullshit that people have to wade through in order to find value. I don't think much has changed except for more traffic over time. More traffic = more bullshit.
In addition, Paul does flood. Article after article... Day by day by day by day. People have every right (whether productive or not) to express to Paul how they feel and what they think. As you said, "This is an open forum."
Paul has chosen to stay, regardless of the onslaught of insults that have followed him, it is a choice he is making.
Lastly, the rules of etiquette he broke were technological, not social.
I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life -- our desire to go on living -- our dread of coming to an end.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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"It is often tragic to see how blatantly a man bungles his own life and the lives of others yet remains totally incapable of seeing how much the whole tragedy originates in himself, and how he continually feeds it and keeps it going. - Carl Jung
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On 2005-07-01 07:32:00, The Psychiatrist wrote:
"Scenario; A healthy minded individual offers his/her opinion and input to a crowd who boos them off the stage. The man takes his things, thanks the audience for his time, and leaves.
What he does not do is stay and try to reason with raving lunatics yelling, "fuck you!" and "get the fuck out of here, you jackass!"
The PROBLEM is that Paul, continues to engage with people who clearly do not take him seriously, and think he's an ass. WHY would he do this unless it was in some way serving him to do so? Paul's passive way of playing victim to the Fornit's board has hooked you, Carmel. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Paul just likes to argue with folks?
This board is full of bullshit that people have to wade through in order to find value. I don't think much has changed except for more traffic over time. More traffic = more bullshit.
In addition, Paul does flood. Article after article... Day by day by day by day. People have every right (whether productive or not) to express to Paul how they feel and what they think. As you said, "This is an open forum."
Paul has chosen to stay, regardless of the onslaught of insults that have followed him, it is a choice he is making.
Lastly, the rules of etiquette he broke were technological, not social.
I cannot believe in the immortality of the soul.... No, all this talk of an existence for us, as individuals, beyond the grave is wrong. It is born of our tenacity of life -- our desire to go on living -- our dread of coming to an end.
--Thomas Edison, American inventor
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"It is often tragic to see how blatantly a man bungles his own life and the lives of others yet remains totally incapable of seeing how much the whole tragedy originates in himself, and how he continually feeds it and keeps it going. - Carl Jung"
Shut the fuck up, sir.
/bows