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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 23, 2005, 12:16:00 AM
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This message is for the coward called the one who kidnapps. I dare you to come do a "intervention" on a kid next door to me! I dare you to take her out of the house kicking and screaming. In my state there is a conceal carry law, and i have a permit! I would only see a bunch of thugs kidnapping a inncent girl and dragging her against her will to a vehical! I wonder what i would do? Blow your brains out!!!!!! The best part is yet to come when the cops come i tell them i stopped a kidnapping, who whas i to know it was a "intervention"? I only saw a bunch of thugs dragging a screaming girl into a car!
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come to my state please!!
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On 2005-06-22 21:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"This message is for the coward called the one who kidnapps. I dare you to come do a "intervention" on a kid next door to me! I dare you to take her out of the house kicking and screaming. In my state there is a conceal carry law, and i have a permit! I would only see a bunch of thugs kidnapping a inncent girl and dragging her against her will to a vehical! I wonder what i would do? Blow your brains out!!!!!! The best part is yet to come when the cops come i tell them i stopped a kidnapping, who whas i to know it was a "intervention"? I only saw a bunch of thugs dragging a screaming girl into a car!
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come to my state please!!
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you hit the nail on the head, that's all the "teen couriers" aka KIDNAPPERS really are-
just a bunch of THUGS
dragging children, teenagers, boys and girls into a strange car or van- and getting away with it!
we need to evaluate the system we live under, i understand the importance of keeping to oneself and minding one's own business, but maybe if more people took an interest (without judgement) in the lives of the children around us, or at least just kept an eye out for their well-being, then maybe less kids would end up kidnapped, killed, or locked away. the family situation is all luck.
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what is your state you backward ass inbreading jerk!! :wstupid:
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I would have to agree with the anon that commented on the conceal carry law. I'm 17, but I'll get one as soon as I can, something like 21 in my state, but anyway, it truely is a terrable, thing what they do, curretnly he has afew posts about it on the Gitmo v. WWASP topic.
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Just one thing, you see I know in my heart that I have made a difference in many kids lives. No matter what you all spew out. I feel very content. As for all of you, you have made no difference and you never will. All of you are in some computer fantasy world in which everything you hear negative you believe and anything positive you throw away as brainwashing. So continue your little fight against people that try to help children if it makes you feel like a whole person. You are just a bunch of resentful vigilantes. You want to commit murder? You have some very severe problems!
THE ONE WHO CARES
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On 2005-06-22 21:48:00, Anonymous wrote:
"you hit the nail on the head, that's all the "teen couriers" aka KIDNAPPERS really are-
just a bunch of THUGS
dragging children, teenagers, boys and girls into a strange car or van- and getting away with it!
we need to evaluate the system we live under, i understand the importance of keeping to oneself and minding one's own business, but maybe if more people took an interest (without judgement) in the lives of the children around us, or at least just kept an eye out for their well-being, then maybe less kids would end up kidnapped, killed, or locked away. the family situation is all luck."
SO TRUE.
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Just one thing, you see I know in my heart that I have made a difference in many kids lives.
Ok look, you have to understand, why you say you know in your heart does not matter, because your heart can be wrong! Do you understand I could try to help some one but end up hurting them very badly because i do somthing wrong, which is exactly what your doing. Again, its like swerving to avoid a dog and hitting a man, you were trying to do right but you did wrong.
As for all of you, you have made no difference and you never will.
Tell that to the hundreds of kids I work with through Boy Scouts, in a caring, supportive, exploratory, learning enviroment. This of course quiet unlike anything given as these schools.
So continue your little fight against people that try to help children if it makes you feel like a whole person. You are just a bunch of resentful vigilantes.
Again, you attack, and do not support your own arguments, your are being self delusional,support your arguments or you look like a idiot to others.
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On 2005-06-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just one thing, you see I know in my heart that I have made a difference in many kids lives. No matter what you all spew out. I feel very content. As for all of you, you have made no difference and you never will. All of you are in some computer fantasy world in which everything you hear negative you believe and anything positive you throw away as brainwashing. So continue your little fight against people that try to help children if it makes you feel like a whole person. You are just a bunch of resentful vigilantes. You want to commit murder? You have some very severe problems!
THE ONE WHO CARES"
We want to kill people who hurt children. This is an excellent human instinct. Had the police and criminal justice system not dealt with the person who molested and killed those sweet little girls in Florida, vigilante justice by the adults would not only have been justified, it would have been completely unthinkable for there to have been no response from the adults in the community. The State is FAILING to protect children from people like you. Personally I have never owned nor do I intend to own a firearm, nor do I intend to commit violent acts. But that's just me. Welcome to paranoia, One Who Kidnaps. Your name may soon be One Who Lives In Fear For His Life. Oh, by the way, someone is paying you. Therefore, there is a way to trace your identity.
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On 2005-06-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just one thing, you see I know in my heart that I have made a difference in many kids lives. No matter what you all spew out. I feel very content. As for all of you, you have made no difference and you never will. All of you are in some computer fantasy world in which everything you hear negative you believe and anything positive you throw away as brainwashing. So continue your little fight against people that try to help children if it makes you feel like a whole person. You are just a bunch of resentful vigilantes. You want to commit murder? You have some very severe problems!
THE ONE WHO CARES"
You kidnap children for money, and live in a fantasy world in which your violence and abuse are counted as "help". You're the one with serious problems, pal.
As for the "making a difference" issue-- people here certainly are making a difference. These forums have helped many people learn the truth about the Teen Abuse Industry. The word is spreading around. You better enjoy your days of freedom. Child abduction and assault carry a hefty penalty.
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You can make a dog obedient by beating the crap out of him when he does something you don't like, or doesn't follow orders.
You can win a dog obedience, even a difficult one, by being a compassionate and wise "pack leader" and being worthy of that obedience. You make it in the dog's best interests to follow your lead because it's good for the dog, not because you're making it bad for the dog to refuse you.
I have no respect for people who whip or kick dogs.
Same applies with horses.
And children.
I have no respect for people who beat, starve or kick dogs, or horses, or children.
Children are intelligent, sentient beings. One can get the same effect of beating, starving or kicking them by abusing them with words and punishments that wear down the spirit. A horse or a dog can't interpret it all as punishment if it's too subtle for the animal to connect the bad experience to your displeasure. A child can connect the dots. It makes it easier to whip a child until you break his spirit without leaving many visible marks.
I have no respect for people who beat children until they break---whether the beating is blatant or more subtle.
Breaking a dog, a horse, or a child is a cheap and shoddy shortcut for incompetents who lack the skill, patience, and compassion to win the animal or child's respect. And it leaves the dog, horse, or child damaged and with much less capability and potential than if the training was done *competently*---unless at some point someone competent goes back and expends twice as much effort as would have been required to do the job right in the first place, cleaning up your mess.
"One who cares"---Give yourself all the airs you want. Breaking horses or dogs works, too---but taking that shortcut just makes you another ham-handed incompetent.
You're an idiot, and worse, you have no idea that there's anything inherently wrong or inferior about your methods. You are too much of a fool to know how very much you don't know. I wouldn't trust you with a puppy, a colt, or a hamster, much less a child.
The same with *any* moron who uses any kind of confrontational "care" when supportive care would accomplish a better and more lasting result. It just takes more work than the cheap and shoddy quick fixes the programs substitute for quality care.
Timoclea
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On 2005-06-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
" You are just a bunch of resentful vigilantes. You want to commit murder? You have some very severe problems!
THE ONE WHO CARES"
Haha, still here I see. To answer you statements, yes I am a resentful vigilante. Yes, I believe in justified murder. And yes, I'm sure some people in society consider that a severe problem. I don't.
People like you need to understand, you reep what you sow. Almost harvest time, fucker! :skull:
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Ok, one who cares, I want you to look at what Timoclea said, she/he supported what she/he (sorry I dont know your gender) was well supported with logic and knowledge, while she did attack you, she did not just say it, she also said why she said it, take a note from her, in how you argue, take the time to do it right.
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I cannot believe parents allow this man to be alone with their child. Utter insanity on the part of these parents. This type of job attracts the strangest people in America, child rapists and sadistic pedophiles. I'm sure THE ONE WHO KIDNAPPS belongs in one of these categories. You disgust me.
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Just because I am a pedophile, does not mean I am not fully qualified in the kidnapping arts. You all fail to realize how simple this job is. I grab a teen from their house in the middle of the night, cuff them if they are rowdy, and manipulate them into thinking they are going to a wonderful place instead of the hell-hole they are destined to spend years at. I don't hit them (often), and I rarely have sex with kids who do not consent. I let them know, if they suck me off, I will loosen the cuffs a bit, and I generally get consent. Unless you have experience with escorting yourself, you cannot judge me. God has laid my path down for me. God tells me everyday what I do is right.
I enjoy getting up every morning to read this message board. I wish you would realize I am not such a bad guy, really. I love teens, I really love them. God loves me, and so does Jesus, so I must not be evil. Sure, go ahead and troll me now, I know you all will. I am just trying to please God, and myself before I blow my brains out for being a loser.
THE ONE WHO CARES
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once again the one who cares realizes how useful it would be for him to get a log in.
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I don't care about you idiots and your thoughts.
I have never abused or have been violent with a child!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ever!!!!!!You don't understand the work I do. There allot of caring transporters out there and I am sure there are some power hungry evil ones also. If you want to lump me into that catorgory then that is your choice. As for the immature idiot who keeps trying to bad mouth me, there is no need because everyone here hates me anyway. I don't suppose I could ever get you to see my side, so :wave: :wave: The one who cares
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if my ex wife ever sends you for my child, I will cut your little penis off and stick it in your mouth then hack your arm off with a butter knife and beat the shit out of you with it.
Why? Because I truely am "the one who cares".
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I don't suppose I could ever get you to see my side,
Well maybe if you acually argued your side, and did it well, you my friend are a bad human being, not just because of what you do, but you do it and you can't address it or excuse it, you dont even try.
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On 2005-06-23 09:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't care about you idiots and your thoughts.
I have never abused or have been violent with a child!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ever!!!!!!You don't understand the work I do. There allot of caring transporters out there and I am sure there are some power hungry evil ones also. If you want to lump me into that catorgory then that is your choice. As for the immature idiot who keeps trying to bad mouth me, there is no need because everyone here hates me anyway. I don't suppose I could ever get you to see my side, so :wave: :wave: The one who cares"
I've talked with you on here before. You uncritically take the word of the parents that the teen needs to be kidnapped, without ever considering that some parents are child abusers and neglecters who would be more than willing to pay to get an inconvenient, unwanted stepchild out of the house.
You're like the executioner of a bad government. If the corrupt regime says the guy is guilty and sentenced him to death, it's good enough for you, off with his head.
Sometimes the executioner kills a thief, sometimes a murderer, sometimes an innocent man. Oh, well, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
The methods of the places you take them are horrible, but they succeed at executing the independent will of most of the kids, so that's good enough for you.
You're like the guys at Mai Lai---"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
Without people like you, people doing the actual ham-handed botching of these kids' care wouldn't be able to get nearly as many victims.
But you do what you're told, you take people's word for it that have every conflict of interest in the book, and you deliver their kids up to low quality, hack-job, shortcut care.
That makes you a bad person.
Oh, I see "your side"---you see a wild kid--or one you've been *told* is wild, you see a broken kid who's the successful victim of thought-reform, and that's all you need to keep lying to yourself that the latter version of the kid is better than the former.
You're the same personality type, with the same lack of morals, as the men in the PRC who arrest political dissidents or Christians in underground churches and take *them* to re-education facilities to have *their* wills broken.
They, too, are adept at lying to themselves that they're "doing the right thing." They, too, no doubt get thanked and hugged by their victims after the process is complete.
They're as secure in their belief in the rightness and benevolence of their job as you are in yours.
You are both exactly the same kind of monsters.
You are the tendrils of evil that make the bad parts of the world go 'round.
The evil of the mild-mannered man who goes home to his wife and kids at the end of a day complacently destroying lives and minds "for their own good."
Timoclea
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On 2005-06-23 09:02:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I don't care about you idiots and your thoughts.
I have never abused or have been violent with a child!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ever!!!!!!You don't understand the work I do. There allot of caring transporters out there and I am sure there are some power hungry evil ones also. If you want to lump me into that catorgory then that is your choice. As for the immature idiot who keeps trying to bad mouth me, there is no need because everyone here hates me anyway. I don't suppose I could ever get you to see my side, so :wave: :wave: The one who cares"
You takes children from their homes by intimidation or force (or both), and place them in abusive environments. That's violence. That's abuse.
I understand the work you do, alright. You abuse children, then deliver them to people who will abuse them some more.
Eventually, you will realize that not everyone share your delusions. Especially not the legal system. Child abduction and assault are offenses. You commit these crimes regularly. You belong behind bars.
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On 2005-06-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
Just one thing, you see I know in my heart that I have made a difference in many kids lives. No matter what you all spew out.
Oh, I never would disagree w/ you about that, kidnapper.
in The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956, Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn. wrote
Chapter One
Arrest
How do people get to this clandestine Archipelago? Hour by hour planes fly there, ships steer their course there, and trains thunder off to it -- but all with nary a mark on them to tell of their destination. And at ticket windows or at travel bureaus for Soviet or foreign tourists the employees would be astounded if you were to ask for a ticket to go there. They know nothing and they've never heard of the Archipelago as a whole or of any one of its innumerable islands.
Those who go to the Archipelago to administer it get there via the training schools of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
Those who go there to be guards are conscripted via the military conscription centers.
And those who, like you and me, dear reader, go there to die, must get there solely and compulsorily via arrest.
Arrest! Need it be said that it is a breaking point in your life, a bolt of lightning which has scored a direct hit on you? That it is an unassimilable spiritual earthquake not every person can cope with, as a result of which people often slip into insanity?
The Universe has as many different centers as there are living beings in it. Each of us is a center of the Universe, and that Universe is shattered when they hiss at you: "You are under arrest."
If you are arrested, can anything else remain unshattered by this cataclysm?
But the darkened mind is incapable of embracing these displacements in our universe, and both the most sophisticated and the veriest simpleton among us, drawing on all life's experience, can gasp out only: "Me? What for?"
And this is a question which, though repeated millions and millions of times before, has yet to receive an answer.
Arrest is an instantaneous, shattering thrust, expulsion, somersault from one state into another.
We have been happily borne -- or perhaps have unhappily dragged our weary way -- down the long and crooked streets of our lives, past all kinds of walls and fences made of rotting wood, rammed earth, brick, concrete, iron railings. We have never given a thought to what lies behind them. We have never tried to penetrate them with our vision or our understanding. But there is where the Gulag country begins, right next to us, two yards away from us. In addition, we have failed to notice an enormous number of closely fitted, well-disguised doors and gates in these fences. All those gates were prepared for us, every last one! And all of a sudden the fateful gate swings quickly open, and four white male hands, unaccustomed to physical labor but nonetheless strong and tenacious, grab us by the leg, arm, collar, cap, ear, and drag us in like a sack, and the gate behind us, the gate to our past life, is slammed shut once and for all.
That's all there is to it! You are arrested!
And you'll find nothing better to respond with than a lamblike bleat: "Me? What for?"
That's what arrest is: it's a blinding flash and a blow which shifts the present instantly into the past and the impossible into omnipotent actuality.
That's all. And neither for the first hour nor for the first day will you be able to grasp anything else.
Except that in your desperation the fake circus moon will blink at you: "It's a mistake! They'll set things right!"
And everything which is by now comprised in the traditional, even literary, image of an arrest will pile up and take shape, not in your own disordered memory, but in what your family and your neighbors in your apartment remember: The sharp nighttime ring or the rude knock at the door. The insolent entrance of the unwiped jackboots of the unsleeping State Security operatives. The frightened and cowed civilian witness at their backs. (And what function does this civilian witness serve? The victim doesn't even dare think about it and the operatives don't remember, but that's what the regulations call for, and so he has to sit there all night long and sign in the morning. For the witness, jerked from his bed, it is torture too -- to go out night after night to help arrest his own neighbors and acquaintances.)
The traditional image of arrest is also trembling hands packing for the victim -- a change of underwear, a piece of soap, something to eat; and no one knows what is needed, what is permitted, what clothes are best to wear; and the Security agents keep interrupting and hurrying you:
"You don't need anything. They'll feed you there. It's warm there." (It's all lies. They keep hurrying you to frighten you.)
The traditional image of arrest is also what happens afterward, when the poor victim has been taken away. It is an alien, brutal, and crushing force totally dominating the apartment for hours on end, a breaking, ripping open, pulling from the walls, emptying things from wardrobes and desks onto the floor, shaking, dumping out, and ripping apart -- piling up mountains of litter on the floor-and the crunch of things being trampled beneath jackboots. And nothing is sacred in a search! During the arrest of the locomotive engineer Inoshin, a tiny coffin stood in his room containing the body of his newly dead child. The "jurists" dumped the child's body out of the coffin and searched it. They shake sick people out of their sickbeds, and they unwind bandages to search beneath them.
For those left behind after the arrest there is the long tail end of a wrecked and devastated life. And the attempts to go and deliver food parcels. But from all the windows the answer comes in barking voices: "Nobody here by that name!" "Never heard of him!" Yes, and in the worst days in Leningrad it took five days of standing in crowded lines just to get to that window, And it may be only after half a year or a year that the arrested person responds at all. Or else the answer is tossed out: "Deprived of the right to correspond." And that means once and for all. "No right to correspondence" -- and that almost for certain means: "Has been shot."
That's how we picture arrest to ourselves.
The kind of night arrest described is, in fact, a favorite, because it has important advantages. Everyone living in the apartment is thrown into a state of terror by the first knock at the door. The arrested person is torn from the warmth of his bed. He is in a daze, half-asleep, helpless, and his judgment is befogged. In a night arrest the State Security men have a superiority in numbers; there are many of them, armed, against one person who hasn't even finished buttoning his trousers. During the arrest and search it is highly improbable that a crowd of potential supporters will gather at the entrance. The unhurried, step-by-step visits, first to one apartment, then to another, tomorrow to a third and a fourth, provide an opportunity for the Security operations personnel to be deployed with the maximum efficiency and to imprison many more citizens of a given town than the police force itself numbers.
In addition, there's an advantage to night arrests in that neither the people in neighboring apartment houses nor those on the city streets can see how many have been taken away. Arrests which frighten the closest neighbors are no event at all to those farther away. It's as if they had not taken place. Along that same asphalt ribbon on which the Black Marias scurry at night, a tribe of youngsters strides by day with banners, flowers, and gay, untroubled songs.
But those who take, whose work consists solely of arrests, f
The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart.
Alexander Solzhenitsyn
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::claps impressed by the book, impressed by the quote, just damn impressed by how deep it is::
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The kind of night arrest described is, in fact, a favorite, because it has important advantages.
The arrested person is torn from the warmth of his bed. He is in a daze, half-asleep, helpless, and his judgment is befogged. In a night arrest the State Security men have a superiority in numbers; there are many of them, armed, against one person who hasn't even finished buttoning his trousers.
This should sound familiar to the pro-kidnapper.
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It's a great book. I know it was required reading in regular old public schools back in the `70's. A lot has changed since then.
Forgiveness is divine. Forgetfulness is just a mental dysfunction.
--Antigen
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On 2005-06-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just one thing, you see I know in my heart that I have made a difference in many kids lives. No matter what you all spew out. I feel very content. As for all of you, you have made no difference and you never will. All of you are in some computer fantasy world in which everything you hear negative you believe and anything positive you throw away as brainwashing. So continue your little fight against people that try to help children if it makes you feel like a whole person. You are just a bunch of resentful vigilantes. You want to commit murder? You have some very severe problems!
THE ONE WHO CARES"
No i wouldnt! i perseived a crime taking place (kidnapping) and i just saved the kid! So what if you say its a intevention, any thug kidnapping a kid can say that! Shoot first and ask questions later. Your right murdering you is too good for you, so i would just shoot you in BOTH YOU NEECAPS! Lets see you kidnapp again in a wheelchair!!
You dont know what state im from i could be right next door to you next escort! There are about 38 states with conceal carry laws! You still want to kindnapp? lets gamble!!!
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I'm scared :eek: :eek: :eek: :???:
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On 2005-06-23 17:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I'm scared :scared: :rofl:
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Hey, just a reminder.
"if my ex wife ever sends you for my child, I will cut your little penis off and stick it in your mouth then hack your arm off with a butter knife and beat the shit out of you with it.
Why? Because I truely am "the one who cares".
:wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
Come and try me mutherfucker!!!!
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On 2005-06-23 19:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
" :rofl:
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you're right and I'm done :wave:
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Very, well, I shall mark this down as a victory in the book of glory....
Haha, pussy
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Hmmmm,
I wonder if "the one who kidnaps" is aquainted with a person of my aquaintance.
If he or one of his associates is missing a pinky finger, it's possible.It's obnoxious to ask law enforcement to follow the law. That's insulting to every cop.
--John Lovell, lobbyist for the California police chief's association
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hmm give us alittle back story on that, you got escorted by a guy missing a pinky finger? did you by any chance, cut it off?
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Not me... but this "person of my aquaintance" resisted someone trying to serve a "green warrant". In the struggle he bit the man's hand and escaped. As he ran, he spit some hard spiky lump of something into the bushes.
I condemn false prophets, I condemn the effort to take away the power of rational decision, to drain people of their free will--and a hell of a lot of money in the bargain. Religions vary in their degree of idiocy, but I reject them all. For most people, religion is nothing more than a substitute for a malfunctioning brain.
--Gene Roddenberry, Creator of Star Trek
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Eww, even I wouldent do that, thats pretty bad. Bad as in grose, not bad as in wrong persay, depending on who he was running from. "Green warrent?"
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A "Green Warrant" is a warrant served on a person deemed to be a danger to himself or others, allowing this person to be taken into custody for evaluation.
I believe that relgion is the belief in future life and in God. I don't believe in either. I don't believe in God as I don't believe in Mother Goose.
--Clarence Darrow, American lawyer
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On 2005-06-24 07:15:00, Erinys wrote:
"Not me... but this "person of my aquaintance" resisted someone trying to serve a "green warrant". In the struggle he bit the man's hand and escaped. As he ran, he spit some hard spiky lump of something into the bushes."
ouch :rofl:
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I dont believe its wise to run from cops, it just makes you look bad, plus if they do even one thing wrong and you get his/her badge number, you can raise all sorts of hell for said person once its all over.
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I agree, and it's not that I think this guy was wise at the time.
PS He's now a vegetarian.
Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race.
--Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathemetician, and social critic
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Yeah, im really a meat eater at heart and I dont understand vegans or vegitarians, yet if anything would turn me vegitarian, that would.[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-06-24 09:44 ]
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You probbably don't understand vaginas either
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what the hell? I mean come on, what kind of a pointless responce was that?
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On 2005-06-24 09:40:00, Anonymous wrote:
"You probbably don't understand vaginas either"
Probably not, unless one is an OB/GYN or DVM ...or equipped with one.... Sometimes not even then.
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hey, Kidnapper, come for my daughter...she is 15. Her mother is the type of moron who would hire someone like you to "escort" her to one of these mind rape mills.
Yep hotshot, you probably can handle a 15 year old girl, but I got something for your ass if you so much as cock your head wrong around her or show up near my house for any reason whatsoever.
Comn guy....
I fucking dare you.
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Um, dude, I dont think he is going to come after your daughter...
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On 2005-06-24 12:09:00, OverLordd wrote:
"Um, dude, I dont think he is going to come after your daughter..."
He told me he was coming after .. you! :scared:
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Mrs. Slavis was so desperate, she hired escorts to take her daughter across the border and had her sedated. "I could not deal with it any more, so I arranged for the escorts to come pick her up. When you call the school, they tell you you can take your child yourself or they can give you some numbers of some escort services that have nothing to do with the school. [Her father and I] sedated her. I told her I was giving her antibiotics to have her tonsils out [but] I was giving her sedatives so she would not kick and scream. It worked and she was co-operative." The private school has attracted many of America's elite families, as well as a small number of Canadian students.
Amid allegations of severe physical and mental abuse at the school, the Costa Rican government launched an investigation that led to the school's closure last month and charges against its owner. The Costa Rican authorities raided the school after students alleged they were restrained, forced to walk around the swimming pool 500 times while holding rocks in the mid-day sun, fed rations of rice and beans, put in isolation rooms where they had to spend up to 12 hours in the same position and kept in rooms with up to 15 beds. The local social services department had also been told of alleged physical punishments and overcrowded, filthy accommodations.
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New York officials did find enough evidence to substantiate criminal charges against two men contracted to transport a teenager to Ivy Ridge last year.
WWASPS says parents routinely use such escort services - in this case Teen Escort from La Verkin - to transport an unwilling child to a facility.
New York officials, at the time, believed WWASPS and Teen Escort to be one and the same. WWASPS denies any connection.
The men were accused of beating the boy while handcuffed in the car after the teenager - who was then free of restraints - grabbed the steering wheel and caused the vehicle to crash.
Initially charged with misdemeanor assault and felony imprisonment, the two men reached a plea agreement in which they admitted guilt to misdemeanor harassment and were fined.
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He told me he was coming after .. you!
then he gets a axe or large bladed weapon to the side of the neck, no one is taking me anywhere, and any one who comes into my room in the middle of the night, I can assume means me bodly harm, so I cant be charged with a crime.
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from a WWASP website
ESCORT SERVICE
If your child will not allow you to bring him to one of the WWASP facilities or you feel that there might be problems during the trip, arrangements can be made for your child to be escorted to the facility. One mom told me of two very big guys showing up at her door at 4:00 a.m. to escort her son. Her son had no choice but to accompany them, thus allowing him to arrive safely at the facility they chose.
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Saturday, May 16th , at 12-noon, TeenAid is holding a vigil for the teenage girl abducted in broad daylight from Marymount Manhattan College. As reported, she was dragged screaming in terror from the school on April 24th by three men and a woman. Still screaming for help, she was shoved into a black sedan with dark tinted windows and driven by an "escort service" to The Family, a parent-funded, private lock-up facility in upstate New York.
Daniel Jeffreys, contributing editor for *Marie Claire* magazine and U.S. correspondent for *The London Times*, witnessed the abduction. Mr Jeffreys will be present at the vigil along with Herb Seiffert, great uncle of David Van Blairgan (16). David?s abduction from his Oakland, CA home in the middle of the night was described in a two-page article in TIME magazine (1/26/98). Mr Seiffert will present a statement from the Van Blarigan family calling for the return of David from Tranquility Bay.
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Youth programs in Utah targeted
Deseret Morning News
The New York State Attorney General's Office is probing Utah-based programs for troubled youths after a teenager was allegedly assaulted last month while being transported to an affiliated school near the Canadian border. Two men associated with La Verkin-based Teen Escort are accused of beating the boy as he was being taken to the Academy at Ivy Ridge in New York.
A New York investigator said the business operations of WWASP and Teen Escort have him concerned because of what he says is a lack of regulatory oversight and the "impropriety" of the transport services.
The parents paid several thousand dollars for the service, which included having their son removed from home while he was asleep in bed, having him cuffed and then escorted to a car in his bare feet, Hunt said.
At one point, the 17-year-old boy, while on a rural stretch of road headed to the academy, grabbed the steering wheel and caused the car to crash into a guard rail, police say. Afterward, the boy was beaten about the face while cuffed, Hunt said.
Neither man, he said, received any formal training to work in the youth transport service other than "informational brochures" on how to deal with problem kids. Training, he said, isn't a requirement because it is not an advanced form of criminal handling. "It's not like being on a SWAT team."
In a letter to lawmakers this last session, Utah assistant attorney general Craig Barlow wrote, " . . . my experience with unlicensed residential treatment programs calling themselves boarding schools is (that) no one knows what occurs in these programs. Children are completely isolated from the outside world and from their parents, and the potential for child abuse and child sex abuse is high."
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a noble profession indeed.. :roll:
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On 2005-06-24 12:09:00, OverLordd wrote:
"Um, dude, I dont think he is going to come after your daughter..."
I almost wish he would. Someone needs to teach these fuckers a lesson, and I volunteer
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someone struck a nerve. :rofl: :rofl:
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On 2005-06-24 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"someone struck a nerve. :rofl: :rofl:
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Well, It happened to me when I was 16. I got "escorted" to the Airport where I was put on a plane, and then immediately When I got off it was totall bullshit. THe escorter caused me much grief that I won't go into now.
No one EVER should try that shit on my kid, I swear they will experience pain and suffering in amounts they previously didn't think possible.
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You guys are not very nice. ::mecry::
THE ONE WHO RAPES, KIDNAPPS and BEATS... I mean CARES
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On 2005-06-23 06:19:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Just one thing, you see I know in my heart that I have made a difference in many kids lives. No matter what you all spew out. I feel very content. As for all of you, you have made no difference and you never will. All of you are in some computer fantasy world in which everything you hear negative you believe and anything positive you throw away as brainwashing. So continue your little fight against people that try to help children if it makes you feel like a whole person. You are just a bunch of resentful vigilantes. You want to commit murder? You have some very severe problems!
THE ONE WHO CARES"
The One Who Cares, I'm sure you truly believe that you care and help, but I am curious to understand what it is exactly that you are saving these kids from. Themselves or is it just because many of these kids break laws that are only imposed on minors?
I can't help but get this eery feeling when you post things like this. It makes me think of the social workers in white gloves that used to pay "friendly visits" to households to pass judgement and wreak havoc all in the belief that they were helping.
I don't support killing any of you, but I can certaintly empathize with the poster's anger of having been kidknapped and locked away against his/her will.
All of us that were sent away do have the right to be resentful. Not only do you support people like us being locked away, but you also believe you have the right to tell us how we should feel and what's appropriate and not appropriate.
If you REALLY care please stop trying to control other's feelings. Would you find it undignified to tell rape victims, POW's, Holocaust survivors,to stop being resentful? I doubt it. I bet a lot of those survivors have recurring anger as well. I suppose since "drugs are so evil" that aren't prescribed, you like many other do gooders think you deserve a pat on the back for buying into the crap of how we deserve to be treated.
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Man, coming from you, Greg, that's something to think about! You're usually the responsible, level headed, slightly paternalistic voice around here. But I get your point!
And, in fact, if somebody enters your house, or tries to, in order to abduct your kid, you have every right and responsibility to do whatever is necessary to stop them. That's not just a good idea, it's the law.
I wonder if any of these kidnappers have ever run into trouble from family members who maybe arrived unexpectedly or were already in the house and not game for the plan?
Power concedes nothing without a demand. The limit of oppression is determined by the extent of the endurance of the oppressed.
--Frederick Douglas
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::bwahaha:: :wave:
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Jodi! One sec...
:nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: :nworthy: There!
THANK YOU FOR HAVING SOME COMMON FUCKING SENSE!
You just saved your girl years of torture and a fucked up life, and a loooooooooot of money. Oh, and you dont have to feel guilty about the programs or get sucked into a parent seminar. :grin:
In all life one should comfort the afflicted, but verily, also, one should afflict the comfortable, and especially when they are comfortably, contentedly, even happily wrong
--John Kenneth Galbraith
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On 2005-07-02 18:59:00, jodi805 wrote:
After checking them out and reading all of these horror stories and what all these poor kids and people went through, I think I will handle my own problems with my daughter. "
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You just made my day my good citizen!!!!!!
Tell your daughter to come peruse this website, tell her you considered ¨helping¨ her and saw what a crock this was, and try to develop a rapport with her. Get on her side of the issues, set a good example, cross your fingers and throw some pixie dust...but above all, believe in her and hope for the best.
Do NOT commit her to a life a self loathing. That is the product these ¨schools¨ are selling.
It is a defective product.
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it's good to see a parent really researching and hearing out all side of this issue, and coming to her own conclusions about what is right for her child. I completely agree that placement is not the answer.
I only worry about the kids whose parents are so bad that the choice between lockdown and living at home is a difficult descision because both are the same..
That was my problem- at home I got smacked around and picked on relentlessly- and in lockdown I was abused and treated like shit- but at least there were other kids there to take the focus off of me for awhile.... it's sad when kids are put in the position of choosing between the lesser of two evils.