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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones => Topic started by: nite owl on June 21, 2005, 12:32:00 AM
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please sign petition to end institutionalized child abuse now! ---
time is running out....
http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html (http://www.petitiononline.com/hr1738/petition.html)
read the bill the petition refers to here:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.1738.IH (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.1738.IH):
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The world has caught up with you failures who think any kind of control and discipline of a child is abusive.
Your petition is going nowhere honey--if you'd put it out in the naive '60's or 70's, well, maybe.
People are sick of kids and that includes adolescents running around using drugs, committing crime, and generally being burdens on society. Your day of whining when parents start drawing limits for them is OVER. Deal with it!!!
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Not all of the kids are using drugs etc...Some are there for learning disorders, emotional illness, sexual assault, depression and other problems. These programs even advertise that they except children will all types of problems. My daughter was a rape victim. While in treatment she was severely punished with all types of abusive measures including an isolation that lasted one week. Do you think that this was appropriate treatment for a rape victim???????
Why don't you read some of the adds on the websites of these programs. Some of the children are there for ADD, Dyslexia and other learning disorders. This kind of attitude regarding children in programs is why noting is being done to protect many of the mentally ill and depressed children who are also victims of this awful industry. To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
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I am beginning to wonder if there is an "Anon cult" that seem to carry all these anons with bad attitudes towards children. It is probably the same person over and over and over again, but it is getting pretty disgusting to watch you speak about children the way you do. Check this out, do you even have children? If not, then shut it. If so, I doubt they still speak to you!
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On 2005-06-21 07:00:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The world has caught up with you failures who think any kind of control and discipline of a child is abusive.
Your petition is going nowhere honey--if you'd put it out in the naive '60's or 70's, well, maybe.
People are sick of kids and that includes adolescents running around using drugs, committing crime, and generally being burdens on society. Your day of whining when parents start drawing limits for them is OVER. Deal with it!!!"
yea, agreeing with the Anon Cult- what a weird thing to say. It's so absurd it's downright laughable. LOL
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The days when children were supposed to be seen and not heard are WAY over! The children are the voice of this nation and whoever doesn't like it, can find another nation were children have no freedoms and are used as slaves to the adults. Frankly, if my child does go through something I would rather them be outspoken about it with me, then to try to not be heard and I would never know! For the people with children, love your children and always let them know that they can be heard no matter what anyone else says. We as parents, give our children life and make sure they survive until they are adults. But as mentors, role models, and all around best friends, it our obligation to make sure that we teach our children values and help them to help us and our country in the future. "Children are the future"!
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You sound like a kid playing at being a parent--- an overly-permissive(read that as lazy and distracted) parent and there's a good chance that your kid is going to have plenty of trouble learning boundaries and appropriate ways of being with other people. Your posts, taken as a whole say that you've got some growing up to do yourself before you can adequately raise somebody else
I don't wish that on you but it's a fact, and I'd like to hear how you feel about your anything-goes theories in a few years.
Love involves teaching limits as well as making pretty speeches about what a superb mother you are. Childhood is not about "being seen but not heard", it's about learning that there is a time and a place to be heard, to act certain ways, to just plain not do certain things.
Frankly you just sound like you're not up to the task of being an adequate mom, based on this and other posts, just a lot of platitudes and a whole lot of time ranting and bashing others on the computer.
Time, btw, that maybe, just maybe, you could be sharing with your child doing something constructive instead of being a cyber smart-ass most of the time
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Well sorry to have struck a nerve, wait, I'm really not! I don't spend my time being a cyber smart ass! I see that your type is actually on here doing most of the bashing of others' opinions and plain being "inadequate" of possessing any kind of empathy or compassion for anyone on this website. To basically put down my parenting skills is nothing to me. You don't see me on a daily basis or at all for that matter. My child learns values, morals and skills every single day because of the kind of inspiration and motivation I impliment in his life. So waste your time on putting someone down that you actually know. If that was your post that I spoke of, then I meant every word I said. That was the way that you chose to deliver. By the way, don't YOU have anything better to do? Did you even go to CEDU? If you think what I said is even remotely close to bashing, then maybe you need to read YOUR last post. Mine had absolutely nothing in common with that! So, with that being said....Have a wonderful day!
To everyone else : How are you all doing? :wave:
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I think you have it confused Mr/Mrs. Punctual (you should take that as illiterate and absent minded). If indeed, "if you wanna know.." is a child raising a child (do I need to remind you how common that it these days?) then why do you insist on putting them in their place? How is that your job? I think you need to relax a little Anon and realize that this website is DESIGNED for kids to come and talk about whatever they want to. Not to have some self appointed chaperone tell them exactly what and what not to do.
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Well I read this completely ready to destroy the agument of the anon, then I got to the bottom and low and behold antigen took it away, good job, you covered everything I had to say, anon consider your self defeated, because you barely supported your agument, while antigen did very well. Well, anon, at least your better at debating than the "One who cares"
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Well, not to try and put this thread back on it's original topic or anything, but I went & read the petition, and signed it. If a school is legitimately dedicated to helping students, they should have no problems following the laws outlined in the purposed bill.
Will it have any effect on it's passing, or it's passing help curb abuse? I dunno, but signing the petition beats sitting around.
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Geoff- the petition reads:
The undersigned citizens respectfully petition for the passage of the End Institutionalized Abuse Against Children Act of 2005 (Introduced in House) HR 1738 IH to assure the safety of American children in foreign-based and domestic institutions.
Sincerely,
The Undersigned
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and can be read at site linking earlier. I think bill is linked there as well.
376 signatures so far- pretty good I think. Please help spread the word, maybe we can top 400??
Additionally- parents, health advocates or professional ALERT: want to sign on to this letter created by Allison Pinto, PhD.that way we can really slam 'em. The movement is growing, even CWLA, APA, and others are on board.
http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancip ... letter.htm (http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/emancipation/legislation/pinto-letter.htm)
As always though, personal letters are best, worth the effort, I think.
[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2005-08-12 13:51 ]
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I think that the bill is a good idea. I read it over, the WHOLE thing, and I think that if the schools are doing what they are supposed to be doing, they shouldn't have a problem keeping up with these regulations. The part I like best in the bill was the part about "Unscheduled/Unannounced visits" I think that if these were to really occur, they would end a lot of the abuse that goes on at these schools.
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yea, i agree for sure about the unannounced visits...
now if only they would add things safe gaurds like they have in psych wards and juvinile detention centers- access to advocates.
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Some of the people who helped author the language of the bill were disillusioned Teen Help parents, who realized that their kids had been abused.
The main people to write to would be Rep. Miller, thanking him for introducing the bill and stating your support; Rep. John Boehner, who chairs the Committee on Education and the Workforce; and Rep. Henry Hyde, who chairs the Committee on International Relations. (The bill has been referred to both of these committees.)
Following are some template letters; please feel free to copy them. I'm also including each Congressman's mailing address.
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The Honorable George Miller
2205 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Dear Congressman Miller,
I am writing to thank you for your sponsorship of HR 1738, the End Institutionalized Abuse Against Children Act of 2005, and to express my strong support for this bill.
I am a survivor of a program called ______, which employed coercive thought reform techniques. Coercive behavior modification is nothing but abuse and brainwashing. My experience was traumatic. I would like to see such abuses end. I think if American parents truly understood what such programs entail, they would be much less likely to turn their children over to the abusers.
I see HR 1738 as a good start toward reining in these programs, and raising public awareness about them. I enthusiastically support HR 1738. Thank you for your work with this bill and this important, under-publicized issue.
Sincerely,
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The Honorable Henry Hyde
2110 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Congressman Hyde,
I am writing to urge you to schedule hearings on HR 1738, the End Institutionalized Abuse Against Children Act of 2005, and to express my strong support for this bill. Because many of the residential behavior modification programs for teens are situated in foreign countries, though they are administered by U.S.-based entities, I believe this issue falls under the jurisdiction of your committee.
I am a survivor of a program called _____, which employed coercive thought reform techniques. Coercive behavior modification is nothing but abuse and brainwashing. My experience was traumatic. I would like to see such abuses end. I think if American parents truly understood what such programs entail, they would be much less likely to turn their children over to the abusers.
I see HR 1738 as a good start toward reining in these programs, and raising public awareness about them. I enthusiastically support HR 1738. Please hold hearings on this important bill, and please help secure its passage.
Sincerely,
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The Honorable John Boehner
1011 Longworth H.O.B.
Washington, DC 20515
Dear Congressman Boehner,
I am writing to urge you to schedule hearings on HR 1738, the End Institutionalized Abuse Against Children Act of 2005, and to express my strong support for this bill.
I am a survivor of a program called ______, which employed coercive thought reform techniques. Coercive behavior modification is nothing but abuse and brainwashing. My experience was traumatic. I would like to see such abuses end. I think if American parents truly understood what such programs entail, they would be much less likely to turn their children over to the abusers.
I see HR 1738 as a good start toward reining in these programs, and raising public awareness about them. I enthusiastically support HR 1738. Please hold hearings on this important bill, and please help secure its passage.
Sincerely,
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People are sick of kids running around, doing drugs, and being a burden on society? Haha. I'm not gonna lie, us "kids" are pretty sick of you moron adults ruining this country for us. Good thing we have idiots like you trashing this place so we can have something nice to be passe down to us.
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People are sick of kids running around, doing drugs, and being a burden on society? Haha. I'm not gonna lie, us "kids" are pretty sick of you moron adults ruining this country for us. Good thing we have idiots like you trashing this place so we can have something nice to be passed down to us.
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Thanks for letting us parents and kids who have benefited from these program know that you're trying to use legislation to attack these very schools that have saved our families.
The petition you posted on this thread will give those of us who care about really helping kids in trouble a good source of politicos to send our own stories to---it's a safe bet these legislators wouldn't get the other side of the story from the true believers at this site.
But even aside from our plans to send counter-information to these legislators, don't you people get the sense that the tide is turning against you?
Parents are being parents again, kids are not being allowed to run amok as they were 10 years ago---and programs to help out-of-control kids who are at risk of throwing the future away are in vogue (think Brat Camp for a pop culture example).
Seriously, my little buddies, sounds like your crusade may be running up against a societal/demographic trend that will swamp the small pseudo-compassion-babble-driven boat you all are riding in.
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all that the bill is proposing would be checks and balances on these institutions. to not support that would make YOU the unfit guardian.
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On 2005-09-16 17:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
But even aside from our plans to send counter-information to these legislators, don't you people get the sense that the tide is turning against you?
No. I've gotten the sense consistantly for nearly a decade now that, wherever we are able to discuss these issues openly and freely, you lose. Cause you're wrong. It is just wrong to use strong arm tactics against your own kind and call it love. Toughlove is a hategroup.The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russell
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"No. I've gotten the sense consistantly for nearly a decade now that, wherever we are able to discuss these issues openly and freely, you lose. Cause you're wrong. It is just wrong to use strong arm tactics against your own kind and call it love. Toughlove is a hategroup."
Yes Antigen, that's just precious. But whether or not your characterization of the motivation behind the programs in question is correct (I personally think it's simplistice), it is extraordinary to me that you cannot see that support for parental control over rebellious children is growing in this country.
Guess when there's a Brat Camp or its equivalent in every major city in the country and beyond, you'll catch on to reality (or not).
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Maybe the kids are getting rebellious because the parenting is getting shittier?
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or b/c society is throwing all this false morality from the right while society goes to shit. No one feels the weight of social ills more than kids, IMO, and kids see clearly the hypocrisy. The worst part about it is kids, esp thos in the suburbs have no outlet toward self-empowerments, presumably a prerequ. to becoming self-actualizing adults. Discipline (ahrsh punishment in these prison/military camp facilities and sumbission is not useful, for that reason. Discipling w/o empowerment, that is...
[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2005-09-17 09:12 ]
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sooo- damn near 600 signatures!!! yay!!
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that bill is never going to fucking pass. If anyone had any idea about how the legislative process worked you'd shoot yourself right now. Now matter how many people sign a petition to get a bill passed it still won't matter. You have to build alliances with the powerful politicians. You have to know someone there. You have to force that shit down their necks and get them to agree. It's not about the people, it's about politics, and petitions are the least successful method to get your point across. Nice try, but you would be better off giving head to the speaker of the house than sign this petition!
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On 2005-10-17 09:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Nice try, but you would be better off giving head to the speaker of the house than sign this petition!"
Oh yea? Have you gotten quite a few things passed before this way? I volunteer you for the cause, seeing as how you have experience.
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Whatever, you missed the point. If you want to actually help the bill get passed you are going to have to do more than sign the petition.
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Of course the bill is not going to fly through into meaningful law first time around. Nobody who's ever opened the opinions section of a decent newspaper believes that. But it will put the issue before the congresscritters.
it is extraordinary to me that you cannot see that support for parental control over rebellious children is growing in this country.
You should get out more.
Infidel: In New York, one who does not believe in the Christian religion; in Constantinople, one who does.
--Ambrose Bierce
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yes indeed! g
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On 2005-10-17 09:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"that bill is never going to fucking pass. If anyone had any idea about how the legislative process worked you'd shoot yourself right now. Now matter how many people sign a petition to get a bill passed it still won't matter. You have to build alliances with the powerful politicians. You have to know someone there. You have to force that shit down their necks and get them to agree. It's not about the people, it's about politics, and petitions are the least successful method to get your point across. Nice try, but you would be better off giving head to the speaker of the house than sign this petition!"
yea, we're going with the head thing next-- lol...eh, yuck...
I am 99% sure this won't pass as well, in our so called democracy... but it's creating some kind of buzz, or is at least that's the idea. Your statements are quite presumptuous, but I understand you're lack of faith in the American people...
I know I am doing more than just this- as starter of this petition I felt I needed to mention that- others are doing more as well... people are working with politicians, but as you said it's alliance building and that takes time. Well, it's acutally more than that...it's education and THEN alliance building. It's kind of incredible how little the people who can acutally do somethign to change this don't really understand- don't get it on a human level in terms of connecting with individuals stories and not getting it in terms of efficacy of care. The 'pick yourself up by the boot strap' underlied by the 'beating the devil out of you' mentality is so pervasive- we need a cultural shift but we need people who can influence this shift---ahhhh...we need SO MUCh to change.
The petition is a tiny step, but that's how things get started.
Incidentally, if you were a student (or parent or mental health professional) please e-mail Dr. Allison Pinto to sign on to the letter she's started and will be submitting to Congress... Even better, submit your story...
See here
http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm (http://cfs.fmhi.usf.edu/projects/ASTART.htm)
[ This Message was edited by: katfish on 2006-02-25 23:06 ]