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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: kaydeejaded on November 24, 2002, 09:13:00 PM

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: kaydeejaded on November 24, 2002, 09:13:00 PM

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Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Tampa survivor on November 24, 2002, 11:01:00 PM

Well, I guess I ought to plan my last hour...

 Really, I wouldn't give any credibility to the 89 Million in an hour thing.  Ah, during the cold war we could have done it with a full scale exchange (like 8000 BIG warheads going off).  One "suitcase nuke" like they talk about terrorists getting would only take out a few mile radius of an area.  It would really suck for those nearby, but i think tens of thousands would be a more realistic worse case.

I don't think we will get warning.

I think the odds of being one of the few thousand killed in a coordinated hit  are favorable towards survival.  We have a big ass country.  270 million.  Probably get hit by lightning fishing or golfing in Florida first.

Don't ever let them win.

If we freak out, they win.

Hang in there Kaydee

Bill



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Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2002, 01:20:00 AM

Bush is a moron.  He is mor of a danger TO EVERYBODY
than Osama.

And Ashcroft...

Well he's afraid of Calico Cats --- they are the devil incarnate, don't you know.

Your all crazy.

  :wstupid:

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2002, 09:22:00 AM

I would have to say that Bill hit the nail on the head. However when he said "they win" , I guess who they are could be subjective.

You do have a right to be scared as we should all be scared, but not about what Osama is going to do. We should be concerning ourselves about what our Guberment is doing. They are the ones that perpetrated this hole mess. It's their policies of "foreign control" that are  :nworthy:

If they can keep you sacred or watchin' your TV then they don't need to watch you.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: METALGOD8 on November 25, 2002, 10:28:00 AM

No point in worrying about the terrorists killing you, you'll never know it happened. I worry about it being roun the DC area and Quantico Marine Base. Of course, if they come down here, we'll skin em and hang em up in the barn for a few days to dry. They dont want to come down here. 80 million people, damn, that's a lot of headstones. The only thing that would cause that much death would be a natural disaster like a comet, so relax, take a deep breath and be safe. Thank the lord they caught that damn sniper!  :grin:   MG8

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: kaydeejaded on November 25, 2002, 11:49:00 AM

I have never trusted the government.  ::rainbow:: peace peace peace out!!

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Froderik on November 25, 2002, 12:20:00 PM

No, our govt's track record is far from good, & who knows what the future holds for us... ::soapbox:: that they're doing, now it would seem that something drastic has to be done to keep us alive. But what? ::deal::  

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Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: kaydeejaded on November 25, 2002, 12:46:00 PM

Yeah sick but I have wondered that too. Did they do it just to get us behind them to gear up for war? If they didn't then they are clueless, then if they did they are evil they are evil and clueless?  :cry:

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Carmel on November 25, 2002, 02:49:00 PM

::bangin:: is what we have been doing to these other people for years and years...OF COURSE they are going to be pissed. I was reading that supposed document by Osama Bin Laden regarding his reasoning for the attacks against the US and the American people.  And as much as we are all "Osama Haters" the guy has a point or two.  Millions of people die or are killed all over the world every year, and none too few are a direct result of some crap the US is involved in.  Thats a fact, whether it is righteous or not.  And he says that with all the bloodshed around the world that happens in the name of injustice, we have 3000 people die here in our country, and I quote " this finally has made the American people stand up, and they have not yet sat down."  The freak has a point.  The US has their own agenda for everything.  And although we speak for justice and freedom, we only stand up for it if it a)lines our pockets, b) lines our pockets, or c) lines the pockets of those who support our lined pockets.

I dont buy into Osama's beliefs or point of view...his pockets are lined as heavily as ours.  But from the point of view of the Middle Eastern people....we have to understand that they are surrounded by justifications of why Americans are the source of their pain and suffering.  We all get this picture fed to us by the media about how they are all a bunch of whiners and they are all crazy.  If your family was starving, dying, getting killed, blown up, and so forth...wouldnt you be up in arms about it?  Of course we would.  As it should be.  The US government does not care about the Middle Eastern people....they care about the flow of oil, and the high dollar interests of a select few.  The Middle Eastern people see it every day, and their hatred of us is justified.  As is their jealousy of our freedoms...after all, we preach liberty...but you dont see us shipping boatloads of the repressed over here to take part in this so-called freedom.

I do not believe in the unquestionable innocence of the United States...our hands are coverd in the blood of millions.  We arent the only ones mind you...but we are dirty, just like everyone else.  And for that reason our people should re-think their shocked reaction when it comes time to pay up.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Antigen on November 25, 2002, 04:49:00 PM

:wstupid:

Vultures in Eagles Clothing, by Lynne Meredith "Silent Weapons For Quiet Wars "An economic conquest takes place when nations are placed under "tribute" without the use of visusal force, so that the victims do not realize they have been conquered.  The conquest begins when the conquerors gain control of the monetary system of a nation.  The conquerors do not want to arouse suspicion so they make gradual changes, to their benefit.  They slowly usurp the financial assets of a nation.  Tribute is collected from said nation in the form of "Legal" debts, and taxes, which the people are led to believe is for their own good, and the good of others, and to protect them from an enemy.  The enemy then becomes the benefactor and the protector.  Although this method is much slower than military conquest, it is longer lasting because the captives do not see any military force used against them.  The people are "Free" to participate in elections for their rulers, although the outcome is of course manipulated by those in control.  Without even realizing it, a nation thus becomes conquered.  Their wealth is transferred to their captors and the conquest is complete. " from: Billions for Bankers, Debts for the People Sheldon Emry

I'm no expert on the mideast. But I've picked up a good deal of info over the last year. It looks to me asif Osama is the warrior son of the Binladen clan. The Bin Ladens would like to unseat the Saud clan and cut out as much American/British influence as possible. And that's just exactly what he's working toward.



I was really not surprised by the WTO attack. And I was no more or less saddened about it than I have been about all of the carnage that happens in other parts of the world, as reported in the media.



One thing, though. It's becoming more and more clear that the US Federal Government and America are two seperate and distinct entities. America loves freedom and tolerance, hates war and has no respect for theft and coercion. The USFG has no such ideology. We could spend a lifetime going back and forth about how this has happened and who's fault it is. But it won't make anything any better. I'm more interested these days in how to get back from whence we came.



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Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Tampa survivor on November 25, 2002, 05:01:00 PM

John Ashecroft against govt intrusion of internet by Clinton in 1997
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/ ... e/gj-7.htm (http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/1097/ijge/gj-7.htm)
A few years changes everything.  I guess the senator lost his mind when he became Attny General.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Antigen on November 25, 2002, 07:32:00 PM

Thanks for that, Bill. I've got some pretty cool friends.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2002, 07:33:00 PM

::hehehmm::

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: METALGOD8 on November 25, 2002, 07:49:00 PM

Ah, Web God, please, I need some nitric for my gold mining operation. Where can I get some? ::puke::  Let me know, please, thanks...  MG8


What if a group of people just told the government to f off and lived like the pioneers out in desolate Montana somewhere? Would they go to jail for that?

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Antigen on November 25, 2002, 08:20:00 PM

Well, watch what happens in California. They've legalized medical MJ, DEA has raided hospices and clubs, at one point holding a parapalegic woman at gun point and demending she rise and walk! I'm having a hard time pulling up links on it, but it's my understanding that a bunch of local municipalities and countys passed referendums requesting that their local law enforcement no longer work with DEA.

What next, civil war? It's possible. Fancy this for a moment. Many people believe that the Civil War was a whole bitch of a lot more complex than slavery. Slavery was an issue, but not anywhere near the main cause. What if the drug war becomes the scapegoad of another civil war in similar fashion?

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2002, 08:24:00 PM

On 2002-11-25 16:49:00, METALGOD8 wrote:" What if a group of people just told the government to f off and lived like the pioneers out in desolate Montana somewhere? Would they go to jail for that?"

Jail, hell no, they get someting better. Remember when that was tried in Waco, TX. I think we all know how that turned out.

And sorry, but I keep my bomb making chems to myself. You never know when you might have to mine yout front/back lawn to protect your self from.... ::hatter::

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Tampa survivor on November 25, 2002, 11:47:00 PM

Good point on our civil war.  States rights of determination and rule was THE issue then, and as was noted, the FEDS need to read their history.  The western states have spoken about the MJ issue, and the people are not being respected by the fed.  When the DEA makes an arrest for MJ distribution, they undercut their own authority, as their power comes from the governed. Keep doing it long enough, and federal agents will be unable to work in those areas as the locals will show who is in control.  
Most southerners were not slave owners, but most southerners who were able fought visciously for the RIGHT to determine commerce, tax and STATES issue without the federal govt intruding.
I shall end with a sorely neglected part of our constitution, the 10th amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"
This was the framers way of saying "we don't need or want a large federal govt."  Each state can determine most everything itself.  
Very few things were EVER intended to be federal crimes.  Treason, impeachment, piracy on high seas was it.  
If only we paid as much attention to #10 as to #1 and #2, many of our current troubles would vanish.
Bill

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: dreammagician on November 26, 2002, 03:54:00 AM

Where did you here this about 1 hour and 80 million people dying? I am in central florida, I have heard nothing of this. Please tell me where you heard this and how relevant is the source. I figure if the terrorist strike it will be around or on Thanksgiving day. I hope not, Getting back to civil wars, my great great grandad's name is on the succession to the union. His name was Joshua Adams, he was a senator to the state during the civil war. My family owned land as far as the eye could see and did own plenty of slaves. I am appalled by racism, I have told my dad plenty of times to cut the jokes at the dinner table about racism. I think I may have gotten through, but it's tough to crack an old cracker. I am proud that my relatives defended what they beleived in, also we kick the hell out of the north when they moved on our propery up there in Olustee, that's where my grandma was born, now she is 102 years of age. Even I ponder such a great thing.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Antigen on November 26, 2002, 12:54:00 PM

This just turned up in my list mail this morning.

http://freedomtoexhale.com/eventpics.htm (http://freedomtoexhale.com/eventpics.htm)

I've seen a lot of news and event info about the MMJ clubs, raids and local responses in California. I was surprised to find it so hard to find in the Media Awareness Archive or elsewhere. It's really amazing to me that these events haven't been making headlines all over the country! But here we are, left with the illusion of solidarity when, in fact, the Western states are in revolt against DC on one of the Feds' most cherished issues.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: kosmonaut on November 26, 2002, 01:28:00 PM

I guess I assumed everyone knew about this stuff.  I live in San Francisco, where we have legalized medical marijuana clubs.  In fact they are legal all over California.  Every once in a while the DEA come to town and make a big show of confiscating all the mj from the clubs and shutting them down.  Then they leave and the clubs are started back up again.  I personally know a couple of people who have prescriptions for mj and use these clubs.  One suffers from multiple sclerosis and it really helps her.  

In Santa Cruz, the DEA pulled that illegal raid shit and the city of Santa Cruz filed a lawsuit against them.  That happened just a few months ago.  I don't know what the status of that suit is at this time.

If enough people stand up against the feds at the same time, there isn't a whole lot they can do.  Lucky for us they can't be everywhere at all times to police our actions, although that may change in the next generation or two.

Organizations like the DEA have no respect whatsoever for the citizens of our country or for the laws we voted into place.

On the subject of terrorism, how many times a week since 9/11/01 have you read in the paper or seen on network news that a terrorist attack is "imminent".  Do you really believe these warnings?  Do you really believe that Iraq has long-range nuclear or chemical weapons capability?  Do you see the connection between Russia, France, the U.S., and Iraq's oil reserves?

Do you really believe our government leaders, most of whom are multi-millionaires, really have any interest in middle and lower income citizens (i.e. the majority of the U.S.) and the daily issues they deal with?  I don't believe they do.  How many of them do you think really appreciate and respect the spectacular natural wonder of our continent?  Apparently very few.  

Back to state's rights.  In the words of Bush, "While I believe there's a role for the federal government, it's not to impose its will on states and local communities."  Interesting how he, in support of Daimler-Chrysler, had the California Zero Emissions act overturned this week.

I'm tired of being lied to.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: dreammagician on November 27, 2002, 05:37:00 AM

Perhaps one day it will look better for Florida. We have two Bushes to contend with, and both have little pricklies on and around them. I don't forsee the drug policies getting any better in the near future. The Republicans love to use the drug war as a passionate stance for there cause. It started with Reagan and how the contra war was supported by drug profits tha tReagan allowed to come in the country. Why do you think the price of toot has gone down since 1981. Marijuana prices have esculated. Back in the late 70's a gram of coke was $100. Now you can get a gram for $35-$50 street price depending on who you know and how close you are to the source. I remember in the 70's when marijuana prices were $20-$25 a lid or ounce. Now they are between $90-$100. an ounce for commercial grade pot. They started the war it is up to us to finish it. Legalize and free the people.

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: kaydeejaded on November 27, 2002, 12:07:00 PM

Re: the 1 hour thing.
My friend a Rebpublican  ::bandit:: I am going to Mexico anyone wanna join me. Tequila herb beaches yeeehhhhahaahhahha

Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Froderik on November 27, 2002, 12:23:00 PM

"I am going to Mexico anyone wanna join me. Tequila herb beaches yeeehhhhahaahhahha "

I would consider taking you up on that, but I'm (happily) married with two kids...oh, well...maybe next life... ::ftard::

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Title: Off Topic re: latest terror threat
Post by: Antigen on November 27, 2002, 02:29:00 PM

I hear Costa Rica's real nice any time of year. Mexico's got great weather, but there's that Socialist government to contend with. Costa Rica's more Libertarian, hence more free.