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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 12, 2005, 02:37:00 PM
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that will be hard to determine with several states involved.
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How many laws have the Sudweeks broken??? And they do it every day. How much money have they scammed??? How many kids have they humilated? How many kids has Cheryl spit in their face?
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just little leah..but sometimes whores needa be put in their place. Then again, CANT TURN A HOE INTO A HOUSEWIFE. eh..hows teza? Little arabian bitch. good for nothin but glue..even the dogs wouldnt eat her. haha
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Let me set a few moments aside to assist you with your questions, Gmom...
How many laws have the Sudweeks broken?
None. There was one conviction in Canada of animal abuse (as I've seen you've turned inside and out), but as the majority of the members of this forum just love to boast, there are always two sides to a story. Looks like you just saw the wrong one.
How much money have they scammed?
None. Read the contract, sweetheart. If parents want their money back, tough luck. It's their fault for not reading the part where it says if you take your kid out early, you still have to pay for a period of time afterwards.
How many kids have they humiliated?
None. Kids may tease kids, and kids may do extremely idiotic things and make themselves look like idiots (I think your granddaughter is a wonderful example of this), but the Sudweeks don't do a thing to humiliate anyone. They're actually quite nice.
How many kids has Cheryl spit in their face?
Well, first off, I need to correct that horrible grammar of yours. Tsk, tsk, tsk. I'd think an old lady like yourself would've gotten through at least elementary school. You poor thing... low IQ's really are sad. The correct way to write your sentence would be, "How many kids have had Cheryl spit in his or her face?" And the answer to that is... you guessed it, none. Kids have spit in her face, however. I've seen it happen. Your granddaughter was one of them. Quite the rude little druggie, wouldn't you say? Ah, of course you wouldn't. You're too busy praising the mask she wears for you.
Edd is right... you can't turn a ho into a housewife. Ho's, they just don't act right.
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On 2005-06-12 12:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
"just little leah..but sometimes whores needa be put in their place. Then again, CANT TURN A HOE INTO A HOUSEWIFE. eh..hows teza? Little arabian bitch. good for nothin but glue..even the dogs wouldnt eat her. haha"
I hope the parents of those boys who ran read and understand the above. This is about as much respect and protection as your boys can expect from the Whit. This proud Whit graduate seems to be justifying how they humiliated Leah. Note that he doesn't deny it; not at all! He just thinks she deserved whatever she got.
How do you think these people will treat your kids if you leave them alone w/ them? I certainly wouldn't trust these ppl w/ my kids!
G: "If we do happen to step on a mine, Sir, what do we do?"
EB: "Normal procedure, Lieutenant, is to jump 200 feet in the air and scatter oneself over a wide area."
-- Somewhere in No Man's Land, BA4
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hey mouse..that was me..Sarah..ill take credit for that one! hehe luv ya!
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Antigen..they get more respect than that..especially from me..i dated one of them, the other I am good friends with as well as the third one. Anyways, why would they not get respect..i left once, and came back. I cannot be hypocritical..I love those boys and miss them. They get more respect im just sayin..I am rude though and used to get told that all the time. I try not to be rude until Ive got a reason, but i get defensive a lot..so not everyone is like me.
-Sarah
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Sure glad those boys aren't back there.
Maybe those parents will read some of this and be scared to death to send their sons back to this scary scary place.
AND DON'T FORGET....Cheryl has been charged for CHILD ABUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just because a former student says something doesn't mean the Whitmore supports it.
Besides, I'm pretty sure Sarah's talking about karma. If someone acts like Leah, they can bet that next they turn around it'll bite them in the butt.
And no, that's not a threat. The inevitable, invincible, all-hearing and all-seeing powers of the universe don't need outside influence. And yes, I did try to exaggerate that line unnecessarily.
By the way, Gmom, Leah stole some things of mine early on in my time at the Whitmore. I believe she owes me about $150, since she stole a collector edition Hello Kitty wallet and change purse set, 600 minute and 60 minute unused phone cards, my identification card, and $60 in cash. This is a warning... don't make me file a lawsuit on your sorry self, because I will do it.
You don't want to test me.[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-12 13:03 ]
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It wasn't karma that threatened to track Leah down and stuff a rag in her mouth. It was a person. A person who was angry w/ Leah for speaking out about the abuse she wittnessed and endured at the Whit.
Speculations on the Origin of Human Intelligence: "In defense of the Pygmies, perhaps I should note that a friend of mine who has spent time with them says that for such activities as the patient stalking and hunting of mammals and fish they prepare themselves through marijuana intoxication, which helps to make the long waits, boring to anyone further evolved than a Komodo dragon, at least moderately tolerable. Ganja is, he says, their only cultivated crop. It would be wryly interesting if in human history the cultivation of marijuana led generally to the invention of agriculture, and thereby to civilization.
Carl Sagan - The Dragons of Eden - 1977
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You know what else? It was a student, and as I stated earlier, just because a former student says something about the Whitmore doesn't mean the school condones it. I'm also angry with her for lying and trying to get innocent people in trouble for nothing but Leah's own satisfaction.
She is a cruel girl. I shudder to even call her a girl, because something so disgusting and so dispicable as her doesn't even deserve to be called such.
She gets off on others' pain. She'll probably turn on you all, too. Just watch and see, but I'm warning you now. You'd be wise to listen.
The Whitmore does not support my words, by the way. I'm saying these things as an individual expressing my point of view. Just so you know.
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I wouldn't make threats on a public forum. That's not too smart on your part. Now, just exactly why were you at Whitmore????? I don't know that you have stated that.
I really don't care what Leah did at Whitmore. Nothing she did or did not do justifies what happened to her or anyone else, for that matter.
It also seems to me that stealing is a way of life at the Whitmore, witnessed by me, when I saw one of the Sudweek girls wearing clothes I personally bought for Leah, to say nothing of the hundreds of dollars worth of items still being held by the Sudweeks. And not just Leah's things. Like I said, seems to be their MO>
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I don't mean to seem disrespectful to either side, but those of you who are talking rudely to gmom, and others on this website who are former students of whitmore, shouldnt the school have taught you manners to not disrespect others and call them whores and such? and on the same token the people who had children there or those who are just interested in the subject and disagree with the whitmore views, shouldnt you allow those who did attend whitmore and liked it, to voice their opinions, as long as they are not profane and within the line? I mean all you seem to be doing on this website is trash talk each other when you could be helping each other to understand all sides, the good and bad... those who are sticking up for whitmore, everyone knows there is something going on there, there is always something going on in every school no matter where you are, something is holding you back, something is making you say "oh nothing has ever happened here"... no school is like that, i dont care where the hell it is!! Sorry but some funny things are going on, they may not be true, yet they may be... help these people understand what really is going on, dont trash talk them, explain rationally and for those who are fighting against the whitmore, listen to these kids, listen to all sides, because once you close up to the point in which you all have, neither side will ever progress because your closing yourself off from other views... i think both sides need to go to some counseling because obviously the kids at the whitmore never learned this vaulable life lesson, and those of you who are against them, never learned it from your parents... everyone needs to grow up, shit happens, yes if the sudweeks are guilty, they will be brought to justice, and if they are not, it will be proven so, in the meantime everyone just attempt to help the other side understand, in a calm was, and everything will be fine, no arguments, no name calling, no whores, none of that crap that honestly, most people dont want to hear!! Thanks! And for the people beginning stuff about joyce harris, im not sticking up for the things she has done, but all im saying is, everyone has a reason behind everything they do, she must have one of her own, you may not all understand it, but she must have a reason otherwise she would not have kept going for all this time... i need to go i REALLY hope this helps!! PLEASE!! Thanks.. have a good night/day/ whatever time if may be for you... Bye! :smile:
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Anonymous poster has a valid point. From the Whitmore students and former students, there must be a balance somewhere between the cussing, name-calling and threats AND the we all love the Sudweeks and Whitmore is just wonderful, RIGHT?
Reading the combination of the anger-filled slams against this student Rob, for instance--and the other posts from his friends who seem to really admire and like him.
Makes one wonder: Who is this Rob person, and what is his real story?
And about the laws Joyce Harris broke: understand these boys had been run away for two days before they left Utah. Where were they during this two days? Who was helping them hide in Nephi for these two days? WHO CONTACTED Joyce Harris, IF she was in fact involved in this at all?
WHY did these boys run in the first place?
Did the parents of these boys know the Sudweeks were under investigation for child abuse?
NOW that Cheryl Sudweeks has been charged with child abuse...7 counts...DO these parents question EVEN MORE WHY their kids ran? WHY they were scared to return to the Whitmore?
LOTS of questions here!
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no answers...see....she will cop a plea....deal is she was a victim of FORNITS...a couple complainers ruined the NORMAL home......throw those whining parents a bone and send them home............story will be distorted........MEXICANS / indians // hell, simple CANADIANS set them up......typing on FORNITS of course....judge ROY imported from TEXAS.........same mis-justice.........take rest in the only good mesure.....she'll be separated from GROUP! for three years...................big ol TEXAS cheer............AMF
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Um, AMF, i REALLY have no idea what on earth you are ever trying to say... explaination at the end of each possibly?? PLEASE!!! Thanks!
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We get it. Our kids lived it.
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On 2005-06-13 20:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Um, AMF, i REALLY have no idea what on earth you are ever trying to say... explaination at the end of each possibly?? PLEASE!!! Thanks!"
VERY CLEAR. HISTORY LESSON. IT WILL STAND THE TEST OF TIME. WAIT AND SEE, THEIR VICTIMS OF A COUPLE FAMILIES. HELLO TORI!!!
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Caitlyn -AKA- "Mouse"
Why do you feel that you have to lie? I'm not even talking about your statements about Leah. You know that there were many occasions where Cheryl yelled at or humiliated kids. YOU WERE ONE OF THEM!! I saw her make you cry quite a few times. I remember that you ran the website, took care of all the posting, every damn technological thing in the house was your responsibility. You would be flooded with monitor reports, videos, book reports, & PPIs on Sunday nights. Some people wouldn't have their's done until the wee hours of the morning and you'd have to have them all posted by jumpstart on Monday. I also remember that almost every week Cheryl would find some little thing wrong with what you'd done and rail on you about it. A simple spelling error (that would be someone elses fault) and she'd scream at you. I have NO idea when you started re-writing history. I'm not saying you should make stuff up to make people look bad, just tell the truth. If you can't do that, then there's obviously something that someone is hiding. I've got news...PEOPLE DON'T HIDE UNLESS THEY'RE DOING SOMETHING WRONG!! It's called taking accountability. I can take accountability for the crap I've done, in and outside of the Whitmore. That's one of the things I learned there. Have you ever heard the expression, "Those who can't do, teach"? That's obviously what this is. We (the Whitmores) were "taught" to take accountability for every damn thing we did, big or small. But somehow those who taught us aren't being held to the same standard?? I don't understand why you're covering for adults that should've learned how to do that a LONG time ago. I'm sorry if I sound rude or offensive to you. I'm not trying to offend you I am just utterly and completely baffled.
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I suppose you have the right to your opinion. And although I'm not who you think I am, I do know her and don't recall all that happening to such an extreme. I didn't know Caitlyn too well, but enough to know she missed group a lot when I was there because she went to bed early almost every day, around 7 or 8, and that includes Sundays. And I haven't heard her yelled at any more than a few times in my time there. Everyone there regards her as the one to rarely do anything wrong. I remember because it pissed me off because she seemed so perfect at things. So I don't know what you're talking about there; maybe things were different before my time. But probably not.
Thank you for not trying to be offensive. You do have a right to your opinion and telling your side, or your "truth", of the story. However, I strongly believe that is not the way things are, were, or ever will be at the Whitmore, and I think I've expressed this to its fullest extent.
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On 2005-06-14 07:27:00, mouse wrote:
"I suppose you have the right to your opinion. And although I'm not who you think I am, I do know her and don't recall all that happening to such an extreme. I didn't know Caitlyn too well, but enough to know she missed group a lot when I was there because she went to bed early almost every day, around 7 or 8, and that includes Sundays. And I haven't heard her yelled at any more than a few times in my time there. Everyone there regards her as the one to rarely do anything wrong. I remember because it pissed me off because she seemed so perfect at things. So I don't know what you're talking about there; maybe things were different before my time. But probably not.
Thank you for not trying to be offensive. You do have a right to your opinion and telling your side, or your "truth", of the story. However, I strongly believe that is not the way things are, were, or ever will be at the Whitmore, and I think I've expressed this to its fullest extent."
Only problem is ... you are not objective. Take off the rose-colored glasses ... you might see things more clearly?
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On 2005-06-14 07:27:00, mouse wrote:
"I suppose you have the right to your opinion. And although I'm not who you think I am, I do know her and don't recall all that happening to such an extreme. I didn't know Caitlyn too well, but enough to know she missed group a lot when I was there because she went to bed early almost every day, around 7 or 8, and that includes Sundays. And I haven't heard her yelled at any more than a few times in my time there. Everyone there regards her as the one to rarely do anything wrong. I remember because it pissed me off because she seemed so perfect at things. So I don't know what you're talking about there; maybe things were different before my time. But probably not.
Thank you for not trying to be offensive. You do have a right to your opinion and telling your side, or your "truth", of the story. However, I strongly believe that is not the way things are, were, or ever will be at the Whitmore, and I think I've expressed this to its fullest extent."
You seem to have a lot of unresolved "issues" with former students who are guilty of nothing but being somebody you personally didn't like. Big deal!
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I was the anon poster with the long message, then to AMF and im not tori?? Who is that even? people keep talking about each other and I have no idea who they are... Thank you both, Tha Truth and Mouse for actually not calling each other names and yelling!! It was so great to finally see that someone has actually taken something on this forum to heart!, kinda?... I just honestly, really hope all this beomces resolved and it all comes into light, everything will be revealed sooner or later, hopefully, and AMF i still don't understand what you are talking about most of the time! I'm not very good with poetry, sorry haha! But anyway, I really hope all this does work out for the students that are currently there and the former students and families...
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County Jared Eldridge in the Salt Lake TRIBUNE is quoted today saying that Joyce Harris hasn't done anything criminal.
Guess that answers that question!
But fact still remains Mr. Eldridge HAS charged Cheryl Sudweeks with child abuse!
And the investigaion against the Sudweeks is still on-going.
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read a little further along in the article and maybe you will read how the parents are taking it to the FBI.
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Parents have the right to talk to whomever they chose. And most people can read.
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well that is good. So to go along with that, ask Mrs. Harris yourself what she has been up to. A certain email from her said that she was scared to death of looking towards Federal Prison time, and that if a parent had done that to her kid she would be utterly angered at them. That is from the horse's mouth. And no, I DIDNT hack into her computer. You would be amazed about the stuff I know before others find out. But then again, you would just be amazed at the real story and what is really going on with those boys. You will find out...in time, only time my dear.
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In addition there is a excellent civil case especially if ther were any drugs used by those boys, joyce harris provided the money and all the parents have to do is take hair folical test. I think she should have to pay each parent hundreds of thousands of dollars for sending their kids to drug concerts and providing money that could purchase them. Not to mention loose her teaching certificate. Ihear she has a nice house she could sell.
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The FBI?
Good ... now the feds will know about Whitmore and the allegations of abuse against the Sudweeks.
As for a civil lawsuit ... good luck. Civil lawsuits can last for years and rarely end in the kind of financial windfall hoped for.
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On 2005-06-14 11:16:00, Anonymous wrote:
"well that is good. So to go along with that, ask Mrs. Harris yourself what she has been up to. A certain email from her said that she was scared to death of looking towards Federal Prison time, and that if a parent had done that to her kid she would be utterly angered at them. That is from the horse's mouth. And no, I DIDNT hack into her computer. You would be amazed about the stuff I know before others find out. But then again, you would just be amazed at the real story and what is really going on with those boys. You will find out...in time, only time my dear. "
No, I am afraid no one would be amazed at anything that comes out of the mouths of you people. You are child abuse apologists.
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On 2005-06-14 11:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The FBI?
Good ... now the feds will know about Whitmore and the allegations of abuse against the Sudweeks.
As for a civil lawsuit ... good luck. Civil lawsuits can last for years and rarely end in the kind of financial windfall hoped for.
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P.S.
Ever heard of a counter-lawsuit?
I suggest you look up the term because anyone who is sued has the right to counter-sue.
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sue, lew, skip too......SUDWEEKS pain just began.......lawyer JACK going to go for that?........up to his neck...sweat...criminal plea is about all he can do....zoo a tough crew...counter sue???....laughable.....full of SUDWEEKS BULL....skip - to - then - lew.....judge ROY ain't CLAN.....review of SUDS SUE.....out in the trash.........behind the two compost piles.........going tweaking for awhile......she still all smiles??.............AMF
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On 2005-06-13 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"she will cop a plea....deal is she was a victim of FORNITS...story will be distorted........MEXICANS / indians // hell, simple CANADIANS set them up......judge ROY imported from TEXAS.........same mis-justice.........take rest in the only good mesure.....she'll be separated from GROUP! for three years...................big ol TEXAS cheer.....
AS IN PAPER...........judge ROY will agree....TWEAKER stay out of the zoo..........she'll do as told for awhile....obeying rules ain't GORILLAS style....she will be found, hidding on the "ledge".....many excusses on deaf ears....explain to civil TIN......she doesn't understand the gravity of her sin
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I'm glad the FBI are involved. Now Harris will finally get what's coming to her.
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On 2005-06-14 15:26:00, mouse wrote:
"I'm glad the FBI are involved. Now Harris will finally get what's coming to her."
Not so fast mouse ... the FBI, IF they get involved, will surely investigate Whitmore .... and these allegations of abuse made by parents and teens leveled against the program and it's owners.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
GOT CHEESE?
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On 2005-06-14 15:26:00, mouse wrote:
"I'm glad the FBI are involved. Now Harris will finally get what's coming to her."
You know what, little girl, you don't know half of what you think you know. Buying tickets, giving money to someone is not against the law. Besides, where the boys prisoniers at Whitmore? It's just an academic boarding school. Right?
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What does Mrs. Harris have coming to her? Huh?
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You must really be enjoying your little vacation Caityln, just typing away for Cheryl. Maybe you should have gone to the beach or something fun.
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I am sure you posted that civil lawsuits can last years i have all of the time in the world and resources. Dont forget about the texas board of education and im sure we can warn those students parents with 1000s of flyers. Fiesta texas is a blast and i love that hill country!!!!
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by the way joyce if you think ginger is persistant wait till you get a loud of me.
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On 2005-06-14 17:59:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I am sure you posted that civil lawsuits can last years i have all of the time in the world and resources. Dont forget about the texas board of education and im sure we can warn those students parents with 1000s of flyers. Fiesta texas is a blast and i love that hill country!!!!"
I'd be real careful, if I were you, that sounds very much like a threat. And on a public forum. Not too bright. :silly:
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On 2005-06-14 18:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"by the way joyce if you think ginger is persistant wait till you get a loud of me."
I bet Joyce is just shaking in her boots. :lol:
Joyce, if you read the little message about someone being persistant, I think that was meant as some sort of little threat. Big fucking deal.
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On 2005-06-14 16:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-14 15:26:00, mouse wrote:
"I'm glad the FBI are involved. Now Harris will finally get what's coming to her."
You know what, little girl, you don't know half of what you think you know. Buying tickets, giving money to someone is not against the law. Besides, where the boys prisoniers at Whitmore? It's just an academic boarding school. Right?"
I think both Sarah and I have already stated that it says in the contract the school has a little less than half custody of the kid while they're enrolled here. So they still ran from legal guardians, for no reason. The truth will come out when (as I'm sure they will) the media interviews the boys who ran. They ran because they got bored. Just watch.
And I already went to the beach, last month actually, to whoever said that. And yes, it was fun. You should try it.[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-14 18:18 ]
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On 2005-06-14 18:17:00, mouse wrote:
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On 2005-06-14 16:05:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-14 15:26:00, mouse wrote:
"I'm glad the FBI are involved. Now Harris will finally get what's coming to her."
It doesn't matter what any contract says, you can not give up any portion of legal custody without going throught the court. You can only give permission for travel and medical care.
You know what, little girl, you don't know half of what you think you know. Buying tickets, giving money to someone is not against the law. Besides, where the boys prisoniers at Whitmore? It's just an academic boarding school. Right?"
I think both Sarah and I have already stated that it says in the contract the school has a little less than half custody of the kid while they're enrolled here. So they still ran from legal guardians, for no reason. The truth will come out when (as I'm sure they will) the media interviews the boys who ran. They ran because they got bored. Just watch.
And I already went to the beach, last month actually, to whoever said that. And yes, it was fun. You should try it.[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-14 18:18 ]"
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doesnt anyone read the messages that nicely ask people to not be bitches to each other!???!!!! I tried to say it nicely but you all are just fucked up!! You guys are fighting for something that unless you actually get out there and DO something about it, is not going to change, joyce harris at least has the balls to go to someone to help her cause, all you guys are doing is sitting here and typing shit about each other, and no one is even being hurt by it!!! Has joyce stopped because you said "you better watch out" HELL NO! So just speak to each other like adults and maybe you can get somewhere because as far as I am concerned EVERYONE, well sorry, most, sorry again SOME people on this forum are hard headed as hell!!! Nothing is being accomplished by any of you fighting and being rude to each other!! Try to SOMEWHAT get along!!! I bet if you put all of these things aside, and you just met the person on the street, saying youve never seen them before, you would think they are nice people and would actually get along!! Instead of fighting with words and emotions show some facts that support what you believe in a civilized manner!! I visit this website in order to find out information about what has gone on and what is going on at the Whitmore, not to hear you trash talk each other, most of which you accuse someone of being someone they are not!! PLEASE JUST TRY TO GET ALONG!!!!!! I want to know whats really going on there! Can someone please be nice enough to explain it and dont be rude to me because im not siding with anyone!!! Thanks so very much! I appreciate it!! Have a great day/ night you guys!! :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile: :smile:
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Why the frenzy???? Guess Mama Cheryl must be ranting and raving, Huh?
These kids threatening...just terrible business, see what these parents are paying good money for?
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No threat just a promise to spend every resource to make sure no child is ever hurt by joyce harris providing money and transportation to a place full of illegal drugs not to mention the ability to make parents suffer because she thinks she can call them brainwashed when she has never even met them.
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When did you talk to Joyce Harris? She told you this?
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There is no frenzy!! Just everyone on this forum seems to be so immature, i have no idea who the hell Cheryl is, and to be perfectly honest, i hope they find out she really is guilty and they put her in jail... if all this is true... If someone does something illegal, epecially to kids, or in this case a friend of mine, i think they should rot in a cell for the rest of their lives... Yet I still dont agree with people on this forum degrading each other, because there is no point to it... I really honestly just want to learn more about this school and what is going on there, I have a friend currently there that I am worried about and I just would like to know the truth so I have some idea if they are alright or not!!! So please dont accuse me of sticking up for Cheryl or anyone else, because Im here for a different reason from many others, Yes I want them to be charged if its true, but mostly just so my friend can come home and I know they are then safe! If you believe im sticking up for these people that might possibly be doing things to children that i personally think are sick, you are dead wrong! Ive already said to a friend of mine, if Cheryl ever touched me in anyway or anyone else did i would flip the fuck out and start going crazy, and I would fight back, I dont care what happens to me, I will not b degraded by an adult, no matter who they are, in fact I will not be degraded by anyone!!! All I want to know is the truth so I can then know if my friend is ok!! No Cheryl over my back sorry, I think if she were I would beat the shit out of HER! I think its sick and wrong that two people that are running a SCHOOL with CHILDREN have all these counts against them, and the state of Utah is still letting them run this school! I think if even one were to ever come up,the school should be shut down until they are found innocent, and if they are found guilty, then it just never opens...
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Anonymous who said "this is no frenzy."
Luckily your parents have never placed you in a facility like Whitmore, and you have never experienced the dynamics of this cult-like atmosphere. You are coming from the real-life-how-you-would-react mentality.
The people here are from two extremes; so the arguments will continue to be extreme.
Those who support the Sudweeks will continue to try and deflect the argument away from the FACT that Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED with child abuse.
Notice that the attack is on to others, and that the TRUE BELIEVERS still do not accept or want to even discuss the fact that authorities have enough proof to charge this woman with abuse...and are still investigating Cheryl and her husband, Mark Sudweeks.
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NO, NO NO!!!! I said there is no frenzy because someone said I was going on a frenzy or something! Trust me I do understand why people are acting the way they do, yet i think it could be done in a way in which they could change the other sides mind, I personally, like i said before, have a friend currently at the whitmore, and I cannot wait until they get home, I wanted them to come home directly after the parents weekend, but they never did... I really miss them and if ANYTHING ever happened to them, I will go crazy, these people i agree need to be locked up and pay for what they have done, if it was really done, which i believe it was... we shall see, hopefully time will SOON tell!
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On 2005-06-15 08:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anonymous who said "this is no frenzy."
Luckily your parents have never placed you in a facility like Whitmore, and you have never experienced the dynamics of this cult-like atmosphere. You are coming from the real-life-how-you-would-react mentality.
The people here are from two extremes; so the arguments will continue to be extreme.
Those who support the Sudweeks will continue to try and deflect the argument away from the FACT that Cheryl Sudweeks has been CHARGED with child abuse.
Notice that the attack is on to others, and that the TRUE BELIEVERS still do not accept or want to even discuss the fact that authorities have enough proof to charge this woman with abuse...and are still investigating Cheryl and her husband, Mark Sudweeks."
This Whitmore parent loyalty smacks of the same song-and-dance we heard from the WWASPS supporters ... ironic isn't it?
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Parent loyalty? Who leaves their kid in a program when the owner has been legally charged with child abuse? Those parents should be held legally responsible if one of their kids gets hurt from the day the charges were filed!
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That's what I don't understand, my mother would never place me in a school where there was even RUMORS of something wrong going on in the school facility... I guess the parents just had no other choice, I know my friends parents were at the end, they had no where else to turn, unfortunately they were not provided with all the information about the things wrong with the school, and still werent until after they already saw a change in their child, therefore they felt all their prayers were answered... still I dont think my mother would keep me in that place!!
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What do you mean "the parents have no choice."
How about keeping the kid at home and doing their job? Private counsling, being a parent themselves?
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On 2005-06-15 09:58:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Parent loyalty? Who leaves their kid in a program when the owner has been legally charged with child abuse? Those parents should be held legally responsible if one of their kids gets hurt from the day the charges were filed!"
Personally I think these parents are in denial because they are ashamed to admit they made a mistake placing their kid at this program.
Either that or they simply don't care. It's better than having to deal with their children themselves?
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The parents may have made mistakes, but not for one moment can any of these parents be accused of not caring!!! Not for a moment.
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On 2005-06-15 14:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The parents may have made mistakes, but not for one moment can any of these parents be accused of not caring!!! Not for a moment."
I agree except in the case of parents who would choose to leave their child in any program that is under investigation and where the owner of the program has been charged with abuse.
That just doesn't make any sense.
Please help me to understand this. I don't want to misjudge these parents as I'm sure they do mean well. But why aren't they putting their kids needs first and removing them from a program that may not be healthy for them????
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On 2005-06-15 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-15 14:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The parents may have made mistakes, but not for one moment can any of these parents be accused of not caring!!! Not for a moment."
I agree except in the case of parents who would choose to leave their child in any program that is under investigation and where the owner of the program has been charged with abuse.
That just doesn't make any sense.
Please help me to understand this. I don't want to misjudge these parents as I'm sure they do mean well. But why aren't they putting their kids needs first and removing them from a program that may not be healthy for them????
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P.S. What are the ages of the kids still there? Youngest to oldest?
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News article said 12 to 17
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Yes, have to agree there.
ONCE it is spelled out that the Sudweeks are under investigation for abuse---REMOVE YOUR KID!
NOW THAT CHERYL SUDWEEKS HAS BEEN CHARGED:
IF the parents don't have the good sense to remove their kids....then the DCFS should step in and send the kids home!!!!!!
TIME FOR SOMEONE to be responsible for the kids!!
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has every one gone on vacation?
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On 2005-06-15 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-15 14:26:00, Anonymous wrote:
"The parents may have made mistakes, but not for one moment can any of these parents be accused of not caring!!! Not for a moment."
I agree except in the case of parents who would choose to leave their child in any program that is under investigation and where the owner of the program has been charged with abuse.
That just doesn't make any sense.
Please help me to understand this. I don't want to misjudge these parents as I'm sure they do mean well. But why aren't they putting their kids needs first and removing them from a program that may not be healthy for them????
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It's really simple. They just refuse to believe anything negative about the Suds. Doesn't really even matter if you show them hard evidence, like the transcripts from the animal abuse appeal in Canada. It's either those mean old Canadians making them look bad or they just don't understand, don't think about it.
Same with this. I know the Suds have been whinning and complaining for some time about how the local authorities torment them. The parents who are involved now are those who, evidently, buought into that line hook, line and sinker.
The legislature is to society as a physician is to the patient. If a physician ignored side effects of medications like today's legislators ignore the side effects of their legislation, the physician would be accused of malpractice. I accuse today's legislators (with rare exception) of legislative malpractice. Many of the ills that are so obvious in our society are a direct result of previous legislation. Their solution? More laws!
-- John A. Bennett, DO
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YEAH and when there is a trial, and IF there is a guilty verdict--WELLLLLL it will just be one of those:
THEY WERE JUST OUT TO GET THE PERSECUTED SUDS IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Right?
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Also the referral people are stating publicly that the abuse allegations are lies.
Referral liars should be held legally responsible for their behavior.
Thje money is the goal not the well being of children That is very obvious.
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I agree with you there.I am on a board of directors for a non profit society that offers referrals to different agencies for assistance. (Not teen programs by the way, whole other issues). As a society, we would not refer to a program that was under investigation however there would also be NO COMMENT from our administration regarding the investigation since it would be irresponsable of us either way. That my dear ed cons is called PROFESSIONALISM.
If CHARGES are laid, you bet we would NEVER make a referral until they were cleared in a court of law regardless as to our personal feelings! We would also avoid all connection with our personal views with the business of the society. Individuals are entitled to their opinions, the business however must maintain its integrity and personal opinions are clearly distinguished as being from the individual involved and not the society and its policies.
The lack of professionalism of both the programs and the referral agencies in this situation astounds me.
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That is the most sensible posting on the subject I have read so far!
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On 2005-06-14 14:47:00, AMF wrote:
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On 2005-06-13 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"she will cop a plea....deal is she was a victim of FORNITS...story will be distorted........MEXICANS / indians // hell, simple CANADIANS set them up......judge ROY imported from TEXAS.........same mis-justice.........take rest in the only good mesure.....she'll be separated from GROUP! for three years...................big ol TEXAS cheer.....
come out baby, come out..........
AS IN PAPER...........judge ROY will agree....TWEAKER stay out of the zoo..........she'll do as told for awhile....obeying rules ain't GORILLAS style....she will be found, hidding on the "ledge".....many excusses on deaf ears....explain to civil TIN......she doesn't understand the gravity of her sin"
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On 2005-06-13 19:29:00, Anonymous wrote:
"no answers...see....she will cop a plea....deal is she was a victim of FORNITS...a couple complainers ruined the NORMAL home......throw those whining parents a bone and send them home............story will be distorted........MEXICANS / indians // hell, simple CANADIANS set them up......typing on FORNITS of course....judge ROY imported from TEXAS.........same mis-justice.........take rest in the only good measure.....she'll be separated from GROUP! for three years...................big ol TEXAS cheer............AMF"
Cheryl Sudweeks will be served.....dining in or out dear????.............."lovely"......AMF