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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 12, 2005, 02:31:00 PM
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cat got your tounge. charges will be pressed!!!!!!
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Joyce Harris is not the child abuser. She has been an advocate for these kids for the last seven months. Cheryl Sudweeks is the abuser. She is the one charged. You people need to think. Open your eyes. I can not believe the number of people that refuse to see what is right in front of their faces.
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How can you trust anything any of these people say. Remember how we all met? All of you people have placed your own kids in harm's way; some of you several times.
Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers.
--Thomas Hodgskin
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Some people have faith. Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion and decision of which "side" to choose.
And for those "doubting Thomas" individuals we have reading this...
Come out and see, in Nephi, UT. I dare you. Come and see what it's really like here, all the "awful" things that go on here.
You'd be surprised, to those on Joyce's "side" of this game.
I'm serious about coming out here. Get the number from our website, call it, and find a date and time you could come out and check things out for yourself.
Really. I'll be waiting for you.[ This Message was edited by: mouse on 2005-06-12 12:37 ]
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CHARGES HAVE BEEN PRESSED!!!!
AGAINST: Cheryl Sudweeks for Child Abuse!!!!
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I'd be careful, Mouse. In the context in which we're talking, that could be taken as a threat.
For the most part we inherit our opinions. We are the heirs of habits and mental customs. Our beliefs, like the fashion of our garments, depend on where we were born. We are molded and fashioned by our surroundings.
--Environment is a sculptor -- a painter.
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Then they can take it that way. However, it is not intended as such and I thought that was obvious. Thank you for reminding me of the idiots wandering around here, though. I appreciate it.
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On 2005-06-12 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"CHARGES HAVE BEEN PRESSED!!!!
AGAINST: Cheryl Sudweeks for Child Abuse!!!!"
Really? If so, why haven't I heard anything about this in the news?
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Because you haven't looked? The SLT article has been posted in this forum at least 4 times, w/ links. Just go and look for yourself.
Then ask yourself why your dear, dear friends would want to hide this from you.Any Irishman who doubts the reality of selective enforcement ought to take just a moment to comtemplate the etymology of the term "paddy waggon".
--Antigen
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Here: http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_2796098 (http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_2796098)
To regard Christ as God, and to pray to him, are to my mind the greatest possible sacrilege.
--Leo Tolstoy, Russian revolutionary
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Ah, I see.
But let me ask you this.
Is the justice system necessarily right all the time? Isn't part of this site about corruption of government and society? Correct me if I'm wrong. It's your site and I haven't been through everything on it.
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On 2005-06-12 13:07:00, mouse wrote:
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On 2005-06-12 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"CHARGES HAVE BEEN PRESSED!!!!
AGAINST: Cheryl Sudweeks for Child Abuse!!!!"
Really? If so, why haven't I heard anything about this in the news?"
poor dear, seems it was tOO much for her to bare...............stick your head in the sand...you knew the truth LONG before this forum...............thumb in your mouth dear????
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On 2005-06-12 13:30:00, mouse wrote:
"Ah, I see.
But let me ask you this.
Is the justice system necessarily right all the time? Isn't part of this site about corruption of government and society? Correct me if I'm wrong. It's your site and I haven't been through everything on it."
she is to be prosecuted by THE PEOPLE.....jury of your peers.......see if she chooses a JURY......bet she won't....cop a plea she will..........she will SWEAR subsequent to all this.....that she was a victim................a tired pattern it will be....but she is an addict....sick, tired pattern.........RITALIN queen has NO knew ideas.....her BEST thinking got her to this point................come on now!!!!
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On 2005-06-12 13:30:00, mouse wrote:
"Ah, I see.
But let me ask you this.
Is the justice system necessarily right all the time? Isn't part of this site about corruption of government and society? Correct me if I'm wrong. It's your site and I haven't been through everything on it."
No, the justice system is not always right. However, Utah authorities have shown a pattern of extreme bias in favor of the troubled parent industry. In the rare event that even they are forced to concede that a program is over the top, it's like... well, like 3 Supreme Court justices arguing in favor of medical marijuana; it's pretty hard to argue to the contrary.
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
--Philosopher, Blaise Pascal
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On 2005-06-12 14:03:00, AMF wrote:
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On 2005-06-12 13:07:00, mouse wrote:
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On 2005-06-12 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"CHARGES HAVE BEEN PRESSED!!!!
AGAINST: Cheryl Sudweeks for Child Abuse!!!!"
Really? If so, why haven't I heard anything about this in the news?"
poor dear, seems it was tOO much for her to bare...............stick your head in the sand...you knew the truth LONG before this forum...............thumb in your mouth dear???? "
:roll:
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On 2005-06-12 14:35:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-06-12 13:30:00, mouse wrote:
"Ah, I see.
But let me ask you this.
Is the justice system necessarily right all the time? Isn't part of this site about corruption of government and society? Correct me if I'm wrong. It's your site and I haven't been through everything on it."
No, the justice system is not always right. However, Utah authorities have shown a pattern of extreme bias in favor of the troubled parent industry. In the rare event that even they are forced to concede that a program is over the top, it's like... well, like 3 Supreme Court justices arguing in favor of medical marijuana; it's pretty hard to argue to the contrary.
Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.
--Philosopher, Blaise Pascal
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So... what's your point in this, that almost no program can be shut down because the state doesn't want to admit it made a mistake?
Not trying to be smart alek (this time), just seeking to understand...
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On 2005-06-12 13:07:00, mouse wrote:
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On 2005-06-12 12:44:00, Anonymous wrote:
"CHARGES HAVE BEEN PRESSED!!!!
AGAINST: Cheryl Sudweeks for Child Abuse!!!!"
Really? If so, why haven't I heard anything about this in the news?"
Uh .. because you are misinformed AND misguided?
:wstupid:
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So while I read cnn.com for news and take guidence from my family, friends, and books, I really should be keeping up-to-date on a public forum for discussing problems with programs? Wow, now it hits me. We better call BBC about this one...
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On 2005-06-12 17:04:00, mouse wrote:
"So while I read cnn.com for news and take guidence from my family, friends, and books, I really should be keeping up-to-date on a public forum for discussing problems with programs? Wow, now it hits me. We better call BBC about this one...
:roll: "
The UK is quite familiar with behavior mod programs in the U.S. and how they work. One writer even got into Tranquility Bay and wrote about what they saw and heard.
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On 2005-06-12 14:51:00, mouse wrote:
So... what's your point in this, that almost no program can be shut down because the state doesn't want to admit it made a mistake?
Not trying to be smart alek (this time), just seeking to understand..."
No, I don't think you're being snide at all. And it's a very valid topic of discussion. I don't think all the good ppl of Utah or in the Utah government are evil people working some private agenda. A conspiracy of that size and scope and of this long duration would necessarily fall apart. It's not that.
"From the bottom of any large organization looking up through the ranks, human greed and stupidity look a lot like a conspiracy."
--S. Gilbert
Honestly, I think the troubled parent industry is a product of our ongoing culture war. It might be easier for me to see it and at least have an inkling what I'm looking at just because I came up in So. Florida (read redneck utopia) starting way back in 1965. In those days, the principal of the elementary school could and would still spank a kid. I even remember when teachers could slap a kid upside the head w/o filing a single piece of paper or notifying the parents. In fact, the last thing any kid wanted was for teacher to tell mom and dad that they'd been disciplined in any way!
So now things have changed. Right or wrong, all of our old, tried and (presumed to be) true methods of getting our kids to behave have been outlawed and replaced with... nothing. Nothing at all. People are at a loss.
I think that's what's behind the tacit approval from all of officialdome of these programs. We see the question posed around here over and over again; "Well, what would you do? We tried shrinks and counselors, drugs and threats, indulgance and everything else you can imagine, what should we do???" And it's a sincere question. What the questioner doesn't understand is that this particular solution is no solution at all. There's a HUGE difference between being hit, threatened, berated and humiliated in a group setting by strangers who say they love you and who demand that you pretend to love them and discipline, however imperfect sometimes, but the only mom and dad you'll ever have.
If something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
WHEN SPIDERS UNITE, THEY CAN TIE DOWN A LION
-- Ethiopian Proverb