On 2005-06-04 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"First you obsess over drugs and this website. Then you troll incessently and never leave the house, afraid you may miss something posted here. Fight with people here and call them names and get your feelings hurt when they return the favor. Next, you develop "problems" relating to straight that you didn't have before finding this website. Finally, blame all your failures on the 1 or 2 years you spent in straight.
Once you accomplish this, read and follow instructions in "how to shoot smack" and "how to freebase" threads.
"
On 2005-06-04 10:34:00, Anonymous wrote:
"First you obsess over drugs and this website. Then you troll incessently and never leave the house, afraid you may miss something posted here. Fight with people here and call them names and get your feelings hurt when they return the favor. Next, you develop "problems" relating to straight that you didn't have before finding this website. Finally, blame all your failures on the 1 or 2 years you spent in straight.
Once you accomplish this, read and follow instructions in "how to shoot smack" and "how to freebase" threads.
"
Web pages are like babies -- creation involves a level of enthusiasm that does not necessarily carry over into maintenance.
--Joe Chew
On 2005-06-05 10:02:00, GregFL wrote:
"And if you are addicted or compulsively using injectables or smoking addictive drugs,glorifing this is really not cool. What is cool is being able to overcome this crap and go on to have a good life...Children, grandkids, a loving partner, your own business, a nice house, seeing the world, retiring early without money worries, bailing out of the system and living a simple existence somewhere.. whatever your dreams are. Obtaining them or working towards them...
That is really cool."
The Consumers Union Report on Licit and Illicit Drugs
by Edward M. Brecher and the Editors of Consumer Reports Magazine, 1972
Chapter 5. Some eminent narcotics addicts
The United States Supreme Court's 1962 characterization of the drug addict as "one of the walking dead" can no doubt be illustrated many times over among addicts living under twentieth-century conditions of high opiate prices, vigorous law enforcement, repeated imprisonment, social ignominy, and periodic unavailability of opiates. The court's major error was to attribute the effects it so vividly described to the drugs themselves rather than to the narcotics laws and to the social conditions under which addicts live today. To illustrate, let us consider the effects of opiate addiction on a few distinguished addicts who throughout their lives had adequate access to continuing supplies.
Perhaps the most remarkable case was that of Dr. William Stewart Halsted (1852-1922), one of the greatest of American surgeons. Halsted, the scion of a distinguished New York family, and captain of the Yale football team, entered the practice of medicine in New York in the 1870s and soon became one of the promising young surgeons of the city. Interested in research as well as in performing operations, he was among the first to experiment with cocaine-a stimulant drug similar to our modern amphetamines (see Part V). With a small group of associates, Halsted discovered that cocaine injected near a nerve produces local anesthesia in the area served by that nerve. This was the first local anesthetic, and its discovery was a major contribution to surgery.
Unfortunately, Halsted had also injected cocaine into himself numerous times. "Cocaine hunger fastened its dreadful hold on him," Sir Wilder Penfield, another famed surgeon, later noted. "He tried to carry on. But a confused and unworthy period of medical practice ensued. Finally he vanished from the world he had known. Months later he returned to New York but, somehow, the brilliant and gay extrovert seemed brilliant and gay no longer." 1
What had happened to Halsted during the period of his disappearance? A part of the secret was revealed in 1930, eight years after his death. Then Halsted's closest friend, Dr. William Henry Welch, one of the four distinguished founders of the Johns Hopkins Medical School, stated that he (Welch) had hired a schooner and, with three trusted sailors, had slowly sailed with Halsted to the Windward Islands and back in order to keep Halsted away from cocaine.
The effort was not successful. Halsted relapsed and next went to Butler Hospital in Providence, where he spent several months. Again he relapsed, and again he went to Butler Hospital. Halsted's biographers reported that thereafter he was cured. Through magnificent strength of will, after an epochal struggle, he had cast off his cocaine addiction and gone on to fame and fortune as one of the four distinguished founders of the Hopkins. Or so the story went.
In 1969, however, on the occasion of the eightieth anniversary of the opening of the Johns Hopkins Hospital, a "small black book closed with a lock and key of silver" 2 was opened for the first time. This book contained the "secret history" of the Hopkins written by another of its four eminent founders, Sir William Osler. Sir William revealed that Halsted had cured his cocaine habit by turning to morphine.
http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library ... u/cu5.html (http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cu5.html)
Resentment is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die
-- Malachy McCourt
On 2005-06-05 19:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
"My husband and I smoke pot. We trip occasionaly. But we stay away from chemicals! We know that if we tried them we would like them too much! We would be one of those people shooting up all day in front of our kids and stealing to get money to buy drugs. "
On 2005-06-05 19:56:00, Anonymous wrote:
On the other hand of the spectrum Antigen, do you not agree that thses are highly addictive drugs?
The body of
Benjamin Franklin, printer,
(Like the cover of an old book,
Its contents worn out,
And scripts of it's lettering and gilding)
Lies Here, food for worms!
Yet the work itself shall not be lost,
For it will, as he believed, appear once more
In a new
And more beautiful edition,
Corrected and amended
By it's Author!
Epitaph for himself.
--Benjamin Franklin 1706-1790
Then there's the social stigma. If I'm trying to quit smoking, I get ditzy and bitchy. But I can explain that to people "I'm trying to quit smoking, I'm sorry, maybe I should just take a rain check till I'm feeling better." And most ppl will say "Oh, good for you! Ok, then stick with it, good luck!" Just for shits and giggles, try saying "Sorry, I'm trying to quit shooting smack...." and see if you get the same kind of support and understanding.
There is no drug so dangerous that it can't be made moreso through prohibition.
"
On 2005-06-05 10:02:00, GregFL wrote:
some people just think shooting drugs is cool.
On 2005-06-05 20:29:00, GregFL wrote:
"I think in my final anylsis, anyone has the right to come on here and condon anything, including condoning Miller Newton, DFAF, whatever.
On 2005-06-05 10:02:00, GregFL wrote:
"yes Ginger, and the fact that some people just think shooting drugs is cool. Others think self debasing hyper-focusing on their teenage heatbreaks and such is somehow theraputic.
To me its not. None of it. If all of this prgraming we are (and were) subjected to is some type of social vehicle, even one that is just zooming along without a major plan (somehow just tying itself together like an ant colony, the individual parts not understanding the bigger scheme), it is counterproductive to buy into it.
For shits sake, it is not cool to freebase cocaine or shoot drugs. It is pathetic. It is self-destructive. How many happy Junkies, meth heads and cocaine addicts do you know? How many of them have productive lives?
Nor is it constructive to hyper focus your attention on what happened to you in your teenage years in the program.
IT FUCKING HAPPENED. If this describes anyone here, do your best to Pull yourself out of the sewer of this negativity and live. Life is way too short for crying over your past and wasting your life on addictive substances.
And if you are addicted or compulsively using injectables or smoking addictive drugs,glorifing this is really not cool. What is cool is being able to overcome this crap and go on to have a good life...Children, grandkids, a loving partner, your own business, a nice house, seeing the world, retiring early without money worries, bailing out of the system and living a simple existence somewhere.. whatever your dreams are. Obtaining them or working towards them...
That is really cool.
"
Isn't that what Str8 accomplished... They gave us a standard, and anything below is 'pothetic'?
I think in my final anylsis, anyone has the right to come on here and condon anything, including condoning Miller Newton, DFAF, whatever.
yes, alcohol is a drug,