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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Straight, Inc. and Derivatives => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 02, 2005, 04:30:00 PM
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Only for educational purposes, kids :lol:
What you'll need:
Cocaine
Baking soda
Spoon or ladle
Coffee filter
Water
Flame source
Metal stirrer (a nail or piece of coathanger works fine)
How it's done:
Basically, you are converting cocaine hydrochloride (snortable or injectable powder) into cocaine hydroxide (smokeable base)
Put the coke in the ladle, then add two-thirds the weight of the coke worth of baking soda. Add a bit of water. Heat until vapor rises from mixture, DO NOT BOIL, stirring occasionally. You may see it begin to rock up and crystalize onto the stirrer, if not, don't worry, it may be a clear film on the top of the water. Pour water through coffee filter and allow filter to dry. You should have some nice little chunks of cocaine hydroxide on the filter. Put into a pyrex pipe with lotsa screens and vaporize (don't touch the flame to it if you can avoid it) it, inhale vapors and hold in lungs as long as you can. You should get a wicked ruch when you exhale. A neat thing about this is you can use this process to judge the purity of your coke. A gram of 100% pure coke (good luck finding it) will yeild 1.5 grams of base. Enjoy.
******To covert crack or base into an injectable form, crush it, put it in a spoon and cover it with lemon juice or vinegar. Filter it with cotton as you draw it into your needle. You may taste the lemon juice or vinegar (as well as the coke) upon injection. Have fun!
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If a person injects coke they can actually taste it?
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On 2005-06-02 13:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Only for educational purposes, kids :lol:
What you'll need:
Cocaine
Baking soda
Spoon or ladle
Coffee filter
Water
Flame source
Metal stirrer (a nail or piece of coathanger works fine)
How it's done:
Basically, you are converting cocaine hydrochloride (snortable or injectable powder) into cocaine hydroxide (smokeable base)
Put the coke in the ladle, then add two-thirds the weight of the coke worth of baking soda. Add a bit of water. Heat until vapor rises from mixture, DO NOT BOIL, stirring occasionally. You may see it begin to rock up and crystalize onto the stirrer, if not, don't worry, it may be a clear film on the top of the water. Pour water through coffee filter and allow filter to dry. You should have some nice little chunks of cocaine hydroxide on the filter. Put into a pyrex pipe with lotsa screens and vaporize (don't touch the flame to it if you can avoid it) it, inhale vapors and hold in lungs as long as you can. You should get a wicked ruch when you exhale. A neat thing about this is you can use this process to judge the purity of your coke. A gram of 100% pure coke (good luck finding it) will yeild 1.5 grams of base. Enjoy.
******To covert crack or base into an injectable form, crush it, put it in a spoon and cover it with lemon juice or vinegar. Filter it with cotton as you draw it into your needle. You may taste the lemon juice or vinegar (as well as the coke) upon injection. Have fun!"
Ok well then that will do wonders for some of these over 40 Straightlings with High Blood pressure problems. Can you say cardiac arrest!!! have fun. Jesus Christ I hope some of you crack heads are not air line pilots or Nuc plant workers, can you say crash and burn or BOOM!!!!!
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Go ahead and do that shit...........
The world will have one less gas station attendent
You are not a loser....................just stupid.
Darwin would be proud that you are being Weeded Out from the stronger and smarter humans.
Base and Shoot On Mofo
again, this really isn't the forum for that shit. You could google a junkie blog site for that.
"So, Sit the fuck down cuz your bringing the girl's side down"
TM
:skull: :skull:
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On 2005-06-02 15:15:00, Anonymous wrote:
"If a person injects coke they can actually taste it? "
Yes, that's the magic of yay, baby!!
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On 2005-06-02 19:42:00, Anonymous wrote:
Ok well then that will do wonders for some of these over 40 Straightlings with High Blood pressure problems. Can you say cardiac arrest!!! have fun. Jesus Christ I hope some of you crack heads are not air line pilots or Nuc plant workers, can you say crash and burn or BOOM!!!!!"
I'm a cardio-thoracic surgeon.
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On 2005-06-02 20:30:00, The Motivator wrote:
"Go ahead and do that shit...........
The world will have one less gas station attendent
You are not a loser....................just stupid.
Darwin would be proud that you are being Weeded Out from the stronger and smarter humans.
Base and Shoot On Mofo
again, this really isn't the forum for that shit. You could google a junkie blog site for that.
"So, Sit the fuck down cuz your bringing the girl's side down"
TM
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Look man, don't be so uptight. I was merely passing along some information to someone who had asked me about it. Don't knock it until you've tried it. 40 million crackheads can't be wrong. Quit buying into government propoganda about drugs. Freebase and be cool like me! :wave:
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Thanks for this important information!
Using fresh ingredients, my wife and I made some home made crack cocaine and boy was it refreshing!
We have truly discovered something truly wonderful and magical! Nothing is quite like it. Its funny how the smallest thing, like smokable cocaine, can change your perspective on so many things.
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change your perspective? I was thinking more like fuck up your perspective. C'mon y'all, whats the 1st and most important rule?????????????????? Now let's have a song!
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What about making meth?
Sounds like a new thread idea to me...
Thanks for the insight, fuck tha clowns.
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:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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On 2005-06-03 06:28:00, Dr Fucktard wrote:
" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: "
What's up, Doc? Don't tell me you don't enjoy the pleasures of freebase cocaine every now and then.........
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On 2005-06-02 22:53:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Thanks for this important information!
Using fresh ingredients, my wife and I made some home made crack cocaine and boy was it refreshing!
We have truly discovered something truly wonderful and magical! Nothing is quite like it. Its funny how the smallest thing, like smokable cocaine, can change your perspective on so many things. "
You're welcome. Don't overdo it and you'll be fine! Enjoy!
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Look man, don't be so uptight. I was merely passing along some information to someone who had asked me about it. Don't knock it until you've tried it. 40 million crackheads can't be wrong. Quit buying into government propoganda about drugs. Freebase and be cool like me! ::unhappy::
Now F*ckin' Have a Seat.........it's time for 5th Phase Confrontation Rap
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I was also lashing out at you due to some underlying feelings that I've been waiting to get out but couldn't wait until I got home to put it down in my MORAL INVENTORY
Motivator, I have to respect you for being one searching and fearless dude~! :tup: :lol:
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And the sick and addicted just keep getting MORE SICK and ADDICTED.
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Yes they are; and they're in need of some serious help. Some serious help indeed... :lol:
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It's no goddamn joke, Froderik. ::fuckoff::
Now have a fuckin' SEAT!! :flame:
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On 2005-06-03 20:31:00, Anonymous wrote:
And the sick and addicted just keep getting MORE SICK and ADDICTED.
Truer words never spoken, my friend...
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Your kids will experience the Pharmacopia either way..
On a side note I never got much from cocaine..If I wanna get my motor running ...which I dont..Id go for the Ice
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Other ways to kill yourself.
Shoot up all kinds of drugs over and over again.
Put a pistol to your head and pull the trigger.
Drive your car off a bridge or into a wall.
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Motivator, if the only thing keeping your kids from smoking crack is that they don't know how to make it, you're in some trouble already.
"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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On 2005-06-05 08:21:00, Antigen wrote:
"Motivator, if the only thing keeping your kids from smoking crack is that they don't know how to make it, you're in some trouble already.
"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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Lol, so true. It reminds me of these Christian Conservatives or whatever they call themselves who like to keep knowledge AWAY from their children. Instead they fill them with fantasy tales and idealistic values which get you nowhere in life but dissapointed.
How many Africans do you think the Church has killed because of this kind of backward stance on general knowledge?
Thanks for the info! Just another tidbit of info, who knows, it might come up in a conversation one day.
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I love it! I love how people come on here telling you what a loser you are and this shit sould be removed. Fuck em. Go pop some prozac, zoloft and buspar and then come tell us all again how anyone who uses drugs are losers. You are just sheeple byproduct of our society who don't think for themselves.
What's are next lesson?? :nworthy:
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I'm sayin'!
Look, I had it all backward the first time around. I treated my oldest daughter like a china doll, protecting her from anything I thought might make her frown or hurt. But nature took it's course, she hit adolescence and went scooting off w/o nearly enough practical knowledge or wisdom.
If you try to make your kids believe that all addicts are drooling, incoherent, smelly people unworthy of respect or friendship, they won't recognize them when they meet them out in the real world. And they won't believe a damned other thing you've ever tried to teach them about the risks of hard drugs. They'll just figure you don't know wtf your talking about and, possibly, find out for themselves.
You'd be far better off letting your kids do what kids do best; explore, spy and make a dedicated study of the adult world around them while they're young and they still trust you more than their own minds. That way when they reach the age when they're driven to go their own way and do their own thing seperate from you and your ways, they'll have a few things figured out already.
I'm a PATRIOT because I believe in the nations ability to un-fuck itself.
--Nihilanthic
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Pardon my nerve and attempt to censor junkie recipes. I guess anyone can get the anarchist' cookbook and dream up even more awful shit.
I just wanted to lash out at you. I don't have any respect for anons anyway.........at least most of them.
I'm sick of whining people in general and I was just taking out some blind anger on you Junkie Assholes who bind together when it's an issue of censorship or some bandwagon of the month to hop upon.
I hope you get your life together but since I really don't know you, because you are anonymous, I really don't care what you think or do....so blast away and rock that shit up and take yourself higher than ever before. Maybe your answer will be there but then maybe only after they mourn for your death. It will be sad but inevitable.
Thanks for being my pin cushion and I'm kind of glad your feathers were ruffled and your weary head amused. I tolerate people who do drugs of all types.....just not those without any real mental substance.
Regarding my children: I will raise them with out treating them like baby dolls or having to resort to a place like KHK to help them to become thoughtful individuals that will be independent and strong.
But what I was really trying to say was...........
Fuck Off........You take your drugs too seriously.
Lighten up and smoke a joint instead of looking for a new vein or rocking the shit up. Merely a suggestion...................your chinese conservative reference was fucking stupid too.
Go take a walk outside. your computer is as bad as a needle.
This site CAN be informative but winds up being entertaining instead.
Enjoy the Show that Never Ends. I will be back with an attitude and shooting from the hip at will.
TM
Can I get a little Cheese with that Whine?
PS Antigen....nice site......most of the time. I appreciate the thoughtfulness that you put into your posts. Just like any of us though.......you write much sometimes and say little.
You are the cure to a broken society that is now ruled by big business. Stick to your guns.
no disrespect meant in my $.02 Thanks for the free space to express it. night night druggies
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Im not quite sure what to write. On the one hand, I personally think injecting chemicals into your body can be dangerous. Fun, yes. But dangerous. Now, someone may not die from using meth or coke. But certainly over a long period of usage, health problems may occur. If your main motivator in life is that you are gonna die anyways so who the fuck cares, then sure! Why the fuck not right? But I have seen how sick people can get from meth and coke. And Im not just talking about the mental state eiter. Hell my step dad got Hep C form ONE TIME using meth! One needle injection. Anyone seen what a person going through hep c treatment (interfuron) looks like? How nautious and feverish and sick they get? Its like smoking. I smoked ALOT. Like 2 packs a day for a while and regularly a pack or two. Now, Im not dead. I quit so my chances from dying from cancer are slimmer, but I still can. The cigggarete wont kill me but what the ciggarete does to my body can. I mean moderation is key. Like that guy said. If you overdo it you can certainly get sick or even die. But Meth and coke are super addictive drugs! I mean my husband did meth alot and just quit. If you are the type who gets addicted to stuff easily maybe its no the drug for you. And your right antigen. Kids will explore, regardless of what you say. Education is more important than sheltering them. Why do you think so many kids get pregant and have diseases? They only teach abstinence so kids dotn protect themselves because all the adults dont want to believe a horomonally enraged teen will not have sex. If the parents nutted up and were straight with their kids aobut sex, drugs, ect, the kids might actually listen. Understanding the risks and benifits can help a person make a clear and consice decision about their choices. I like to smoke pot and I certainly feel that there is not a damn thing wrong with that. It is a great drug. There are many great drugs out there. Just remember the risks, use moderation, and all should be well. And if you cant and the risks are too great, just dont do it. Simple as that!
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I have taken the approach with my kids that education is paramount. They do not at age 13,14,15 need me to provide them with the formula for cooking cocaine. That isn't education, that is idiocy.
On the other hand, if they looked it up on their own out of curiosity, I would hope it was for intellectual stimulation and would hope they didn't try it. If I found out they had the formula, I would talk to them about my experience with people who used cocaine, how it was negative for them, etc. I would try to make them understand that it was not a good decision.
My son is 22 and drug free. He has smoked pot but doens't like it. My daughter is 15 and so far has "made a personal decision to not use drugs". I sincerely hope she stays that way, but I am well aware that my efforts at this age to prevent it would likely have a rebound negative affect. The only thing I can do is try to lead by example,and to let her understand the negativities of her bad decisions.
Could I stop her if she changed her mind? No fucking way. At this age, pretty much the parenting is over and the only thing left is a relationship and an example. The decisions are ultimately left to them. The desire to interfere with all that is bad that may happen to your children is the attitude that led us to all be committed to abusive drug rehabs.
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Greg -
Well Said from Experience. I appreciate your insight being further along with your kids........mine are considerably younger.
TM
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On 2005-06-05 19:01:00, The Motivator wrote:
Antigen....nice site......most of the time. I appreciate the thoughtfulness that you put into your posts. Just like any of us though.......you write much sometimes and say little.
You are the cure to a broken society that is now ruled by big business. Stick to your guns.
no disrespect meant in my $.02 Thanks for the free space to express it. night night druggies
Much obliged, my friend, much obliged. You may have thought I was a lunatic, and you may have been right. But you have contributed much to the dialogue. And I'm much obliged.
The people's right to change what does not work is one of the greatest
principles in our system of government
--Richard M. Nixon
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On 2005-06-05 19:01:00, The Motivator wrote:
I'm sick of whining people in general and I was just taking out some blind anger on you Junkie Assholes who bind together when it's an issue of censorship or some bandwagon of the month to hop upon.
Ok, before I read further, I have to take exception to this. Not on my own behalf, either, but on the behalf of all of my muses and mentors; some of whom have been our most well loved junkies.
What if they're anger is not blind? What if they see 20/20 and you're the one who's blind and, therefore, not in need of an anelgesic?
You have to admit they gochya :rofl: I thought I was reading a secret transcript from one late running OMR!
Don't worry so much about our friends here. They've made it this far. They'll either moderate or not, but either way they're friends of ours.
The Church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church.
--Ferdinand Magellan, Portuguese and Spanish explorer
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On 2005-06-05 19:01:00, The Motivator wrote:
hope you get your life together but since I really don't know you, because you are anonymous, I really don't care what you think or do....so blast away and rock that shit up and take yourself higher than ever before. Maybe your answer will be there but then maybe only after they mourn for your death. It will be sad but inevitable
God! I can't help myself! What if these guys make the most of it; wind up on national TV as celebrities; leave your dick in the dirt? Would you still talk down your nose to them and call them shams because you know The Truth® about them? Woud you find yourself saying "Well, who ya' gonna believe; me, or your own lyin eyes?" Or would you concede that they made it, better than you, despite longer odds? And could you concieve that, maybe, they made id because of doing what you thought was a mistake? Or would you have to occult that to protect your dogma?
Every act of a delegated authority, contrary to the tenor of the commission under which it is exercised, is void. No legislative act, therefore, contrary to the Constitution, can be valid. To deny this, would be to affirm, that the deputy is greater than his principal; that the servant is above his master; that the representatives of the people are superior to the people themselves; that men acting by virtue of powers, may do not only what their powers do not authorize, but what they forbid."
--Alexander Hamilton
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On 2005-06-05 19:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
" On the one hand, I personally think injecting chemicals into your body can be dangerous. Fun, yes. But dangerous.
Without a doubt! Not only can it be dangerous, but it always is! Every single time, without exception, even in a hospital setting. More kids get line infections from the hospitals than from doing IV drugs at home. Most of the time, it's not for fun, but for need.
Now, someone may not die from using meth or coke. But certainly over a long period of usage, health problems may occur. If your main motivator in life is that you are gonna die anyways so who the fuck cares, then sure! Why the fuck not right?
Cause there are those of us out here who feel the same sort of pain and who have found better answers, that's why.
But I have seen how sick people can get from meth and coke. And Im not just talking about the mental state eiter. Hell my step dad got Hep C form ONE TIME using meth! One needle injection.
Darlin, you are a young woman. And I came to the same conclusion when I was a young mother who had been cut off from all of my heritage and do given much less hard info. So... where's the benefit in keeping all of the info from our children? None that I can see.
Anyone seen what a person going through hep c treatment (interfuron) looks like? How nausious and feverish and sick they get? Its like smoking.
Whoever you know who's goint through hep c, it beat's hell out of their liver. Tell them to look into milk thistle as an adjunct to whatever they're doing. It may effect kidney function, and there is research on that, so tell them to check. But, if there is no good reason not to, then milk thistle is a good remedy for having abused one's liver.
I smoked ALOT. Like 2 packs a day for a while and regularly a pack or two. Now, Im not dead. I quit so my chances from dying from cancer are slimmer, but I still can.
Yeay! :nworthy: I'm 40 and still hooked. You're way ahead of the game! I wish I had stayed quit when I was your age.
But Meth and coke are super addictive drugs! I mean my husband did meth alot and just quit.
No! Not addictive! Anybody who wants to quit the stimulants can quite easily! You only suffer the consequences of lack of the drug; sort of an exagerated versuion of what you sought to cure. Addiction is much harder. Ask any opiate addictd.
If you are the type who gets addicted to stuff easily maybe its no the drug for you. And your right antigen. Kids will explore, regardless of what you say. Education is more important than sheltering them.
I'm not sure there's a type who get's addicted or a type who does not. I think it all has to do w/ how you believe. Freak that he was (RIP), I think Frank Zappa was onto something: "A drug is neither moral nor immoral - it's a chemical compound. The compound itself is not a menace to society until a human being treats it as if consumption bestowed a temporary license to act like an asshole." --Frank Zappa
If your favorite drug doesn't make you an asshole, then where's the problem? If it does, then you sure don't need an anon voice on a web forum to tell you so, you know it already.
Why do you think so many kids get pregant and have diseases? They only teach abstinence so kids don't protect themselves because all the adults dont want to believe a horomonally enraged teen will not have sex. If the parents nutted up and were straight with their kids aobut sex, drugs, ect, the kids might actually listen. Understanding the risks and benifits can help a person make a clear and consice decision about their choices.
No kidding! :nworthy: Whenever the old farts talk turkey; for real, all the cards face up on the table; with the newly minted next generation, you/we always make better of it than we were able to. It's only when we withhold pertinent info. that we get into trouble.
I like to smoke pot and I certainly feel that there is not a damn thing wrong with that. It is a great drug. There are many great drugs out there. Just remember the risks, use moderation, and all should be well. And if you cant and the risks are too great, just dont do it. Simple as that!"
I'm gonna say g'night and have happy dreams beliefing that you've got things in hand at least as well as we ever did. :nworthy: Government can do something for the people only in proportion as it can do something to the people
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You know Ginger, I have little experience first hand with addiction, but I think I understand the process much better than most and certainly better than those whose brains have been pickled in 12 step programs.
You say Meth and Cocaine aren't addictive. I can't comment on meth because I only have 3rd hand info on it, but Cocaine, being very similar to caffeine, wouldn't it be addictive? I really don't know but that would be a logical conclusion.
And actual addiction, which is physical addiction, isn't even the real problem with many people. It is compulsion. This is why people cannot go off ciggarrettes, for example, by taking the patch. The delivery method is paramount...it is the act of smoking itself that the person becomes comuplsively attached to. You could mainline nicotene all day long and most hard core cigarrette users would still smoke. I understand that it is similar with opiates shooters and crack smokers, but others here would be more qualified to comment on that.
Maybe Meth and crack are similar? That is, they so stimulate those compulsive personalities that people use like they are physically addicted. I do know that many people bing on crack and that old addage, "one puff and your addicted" is nothing but propaganda swill. Still, many people, after a first use, go on a major bing and it appears they are addicted.
Addiction is a complicated issue and the misinformation is so prevalant in our society that it seems almost no one can even define it properly anymore. The disease model of addiction, for example, is such a farce to the extreme but it is accepted as reality in our society at large.
sigh. On the bright side, this thread morphed into something else pretty cool!
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Crack and meth are no where near simular :lol: Crack is some pussy ass shit that will give ya a 10 minute utopic lift. Meth will blast your ass into a whole new realm for 10 days. But I perfer to do both. after about 5 days on gak, smoking crack will give color to your hallications. The crack/meth combo is the closest ride to LSD.
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Well, I only have much firsthand experience w/ caffine, niccotine, alcohol and cannabis. The rest of what I think I know comes from reading and observation.
I'm just a stickler for proper definitions. Addiction is a very specific terms that has a definition. It's often misused. Opiates are addictive. If you take them constantly for a long enough time, you get sick w/o them, whether you want the effect of the drug or not. Other drugs are only reenforcing; you miss the effect when you don't have it.
One significant difference between cocaine and caffine is that caffine makes you feel awful if you overdose. When your stomach and head hurt from too much of it and you're all nervous and agitated, you simply don't want any more of it. Cocaine is different in that, the more you do the better you feel, the better it tastes, even if it's enough to kill you. (if you like the stuff, and I never did. this is just what ppl tell me or write about)
So caffine, while it's not exactly good for you, is much less troublesome than cocaine. I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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Yes, but in small doses, the affect is similar. That is why, for example, coca cola was able to substitute caffeine for cocaine with little fanfare.
And even using most people's caffeine addiction issue as an example in this thread, how many people will substitute their physical addiction of caffeine in coffee for a caffeine pill each morning?
The delivery method becomes something the addict becomes compulsively attached to.
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Tweekers have a culture of their own. It's kinda like the old deadheads and LSD. But just like with LSD, some people can't handle it and have no bizness doing it.
But crack vs. meth
A crack smoker will steal pocket change and cheap electronics from family members.
A tweeker robs banks and jacks luxery cars.
A crack smoker might fuck his girl all night.
A tweeker will score a whore, pull her tampon out with his teeth, spit it across the room and then fuck her all week.
Crack smokers look out for cops.
Tweekers have night vision goggles, booby traps, counter informants, guns and bombs.
If you piss off a crack smoker, they might get huffy and yell, but their harmless.
If you piss off a tweeker, your gonna get your tires cut, your windows bashed, your house lite the fuck up and maybe killed.
A desperate crack smoker will suck dick for a hit.
A desperate tweeker will sneak up on a mother fucker, gut em like a fish and kick their corpse in a ditch.
crack smokers occasinally think of their habit as a problem and may experience some hope of quiting.
A tweeker just plain doesn't give a shit.
Cops have few worries about busting a crack house.
Cops are fucking scared of meth labs and are uneducated about the drug its self. They've kicked in doors, grabbed rolling jars looking like the bunny busting out of the energizer, and KA~BOOM.
An explosion of that temperture and caliber leaves nothing but ashes. Colorado Springs Police declared a victory over the meth epidemic after city council asked about the extreme decline in meth busts. I think they truly realized that loosing their lives just isn't worth a bunch of bullshit.
Greg, I'm gonna come out to Flordia and get you gaked to the fucking gils. I'm gonna wind you up and watch you go :smokin: :flame: :flame: .
I'm gonna hook you up with a sweet ass whore and then convince you that God is real. After a few days with that pussy bonita you'll begin to understand Jesus and why he stopped those hostile moralist from throwing rocks at Mary Magdaline. He didn't wanna fuck a brused up, beat down, swollen head battered whore. He wanted to fuck a pretty one. So he told those flock-of-sheep following bastards some bullshit to get rid of em so he could have some private time with Mary behind the bushes. :grin:
I have to say, Jesus is cool with me :tup:
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ginger,
Yea, I think injecting anything into your body seems a little bizzare. Yet, a person tryign to be "cool" doing drugs with someone who has hep c or AIDs or whatever, that is not cool. If you are sterile and stuff, you can still get infected. And sometimes you dont even know if you have AIDS. It can be dormant for a long time and you can still pass it on. It is something to think about.
Well, I agree. I have certainly found better ways of dealing wiht pain and better answers.
Oh I agree. Dont get me wrong! As you read on in my post, I hope you saw I feel it is our duty as parents to inform our kids of drugs and sex and such, instead of being unprepared and learing about drugs form a DARE officer!
Well it was my step dad on Interfuron. It worked! He is completely virus free! But it is in remission, like cancer. So in a couple years if it is still gone, he will be completely virus free forever probably. And we have talked about the friends who kept drinking heavily after having Hep C and they are dead now. Dying from liver disease is not fun either. My husbands dad died recently from hep c, liver failure as a result, and liver cancer. All from intravinous (sp?) drug use.
I do definetly see gregs point though. Being honest about drugs to your kids and stuff is different than going,"Oh and by the way, here is a recipie for crack! Enjoy!" No need to influence them one way or another. Thats what finding who you are is all about. Finding what beliefs, values, ect fit you best. And looking at all sides of an issue in an unbiased and hoset manner can them help make those decisions!
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I freebased cocaine for a couple of months years back and walked away from it one day, no problem. Don't know if its technically "addictive" or not, but it wasn't a problem for me to drop it. Opiates?? Fuck, different animal altogether. I had a terrible back injury, still do. Did the physical therapy route, didn't work, was hesitant to have surgery so they put me on meds. Well in a year or two it went from a few vicodin a day to 20 percocet. Then they had the bright idea to switch me to methadone b/c they said I was killing my liver with the acetaminophen in the percocet. The methadone worked and worked well. I was out of pain, functioning, back to work....life was great for about 5 years. Then the docs all get nervous about prescribing it for any length of time (because I wasn't terminal) so they tell you they have to wean you off. HA-FUCKING-HA!! I enjoy hitting my bowl every night and I'm sure I'd be cranky without it (only thing that works for insomnia besides benzos and I'll just eat those til they're gone) but being physically addicted to something SUCKS!!
I did end up having the surgery and it worked, but only temporarily. The only thing I've found that has really helped is yoga. Guess maybe I should get off my lazy ass and try it again.The most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of
knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness.
--Thomas Jefferson
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On 2005-06-06 13:35:00, GregFL wrote:
The delivery method becomes something the addict becomes compulsively attached to.
Yes, but that's not got anything to do w/ addiction. That's ritual. Totally different type of power, though often people confuse one for the other.Why should we take advice on sex from the Pope? If he knows anything about it, he shouldn't.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright
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Anyone here not do drugs or alcohol?2
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http://www.straight-edge.com/definition.html (http://www.straight-edge.com/definition.html)
these ones are the best :lol:
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hep c is a virus. it is not caused by the drug, it is passed on by dirty needles. there seems to be a little confusion. if people had clean needles they would not get any contagious illnesses from shooting up drugs.
the way i see it, people got hep c from dirty needles because either they did not know the danger or they could not get clean needles.
me, i go into a drug store in redneck VA. "i need a 1cc syringe." they stall -- "we don't have that kind." "well you did last time, are you sure?" "well, uhm..." "it's for a kitten, i have to give it medicine." "uhm..." stall, think. "okay, i really don't need the needle part, how about you take that off and give me the syringe?" they had the syringe i was asking for. they made me sign a sheet they keep on everyone buying syringes there!
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On 2005-06-06 14:00:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
Greg, I'm gonna come out to Flordia and get you gaked to the fucking gils. I'm gonna wind you up and watch you go :smokin: :flame: :flame: .
I'm gonna hook you up with a sweet ass whore and then convince you that God is real. After a few days with that pussy bonita you'll begin to understand Jesus and why he stopped those hostile moralist from throwing rocks at Mary Magdaline. He didn't wanna fuck a brused up, beat down, swollen head battered whore. He wanted to fuck a pretty one. So he told those flock-of-sheep following bastards some bullshit to get rid of em so he could have some private time with Mary behind the bushes. :grin:
I have to say, Jesus is cool with me :grin:
Just kidding there. But thanks for the offer. I have been seperated from my girlfriend for a week or so and could use a little help.
:grin:
I think RY, you might have misunderstood what I meant by "maybe meth and crack are similar", That comment was made in a discussion about people getting compulsively attached to the delivery method, not in similarly to the drug. Hell, when I was a kid, I was around enough coke to understand that it really isn't that big of a deal. You barely get high, just a little euporhic rush and an increase in heart rate. This is gonna shock some of you, but when I was 18, I have some first hand information with cocaine and intervenous situations. Thats all I will say on a public website. This was mid 70s.It always scared me and then later in life I found out I have a genetic valve problem in my heart. I think my body was telling me to leave it alone. Even then I had a compulsive buddie who would go looking for cocaine until all his money was gone, and then leave it alone for months (back then coke was 75 per gram and not even pure..all hail the effectiveness of the drug war 30 years later!). This same guy now is addicted to pain killers. There is a lesson in there somehwhere.
I, however, didn't know anybody who acted like a crack head. I think it is the delivery method, the cheapness, the instant rush that makes people compulse over it. In my day cocaine was the drug of the disco, poor kids didn't get any. Bringing cocaine to the disco would get girls all over you, but they would talk you into snorting it in the car, say they had to use the bathroom, go back inside and then that was it. I devised a diabolical plan that almost always worked (pat pending). I would get a gram of cocaine, and LEAVE IT IN THE APARTMENT. My buddy and I would get to the disco, talk up the hottest girls, and then tell them we had cocaine back at at the apartment and did they wanna go party....
Worked like a charm! :grin:
I had some truly scary moments using when I was in my late teens, and by 21 or so, I just stopped everything and got serious about going to school, etc.
Back to my kids, I wouldn't wish my painfull life experiences on them, and to me drug use was always a big negative. When I say drug use I am not talking about drinking a few beers or smoking a few joints, even tho I don't do that either because it gives me anxiety. I love them both so much and I hope they make good decisions. I also am in the weird situation of trying to balance out their mother's attitude, which is that of a super religious woman with a program parent mentality. My daughter and I talk about it all the time, my kids know I was in rehab (with no real reason) and that I used drugs when I was a kid. I always thought hiding those facts from them when they got older would be counterproductive. I also think that making it sound super bad has a negative rebound when they found out (and they do) that people use and still get good grades, play sports, and have fun. I just like making the point that using is not smart and takes your focus off of real life, that life is to precious to go thru it stoned all the time or hyperfocusing on getting a substance into your body.
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On 2005-06-06 22:46:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Anyone here not do drugs or alcohol?2"
What kind of judgement are you making here?
Alcohol is legal, and "drugs" is too general.
You sound programish.
Some drugs help us. The word "drug" isn't a bad word. Sometimes I go to the drugstore for "drugs" to make me feel better. Do I shoot heroin? No... Do I do coke, crack, freebase, meth, smack, acid, mushrooms, mescaline, or whatever else? No... Have I ever used any of those before? Yes... Does this make me a bad person? No... I'm human, and I learn by trial and error.
Program taught us to see things in black and white only. Being that extreme is very dangerous to our psyche. There are always gray areas in every aspect of life. Rational thinking people learn to compromise with themselves and with other people to form healthy relationships. The unhealthy-thinking person judges and blames.
Being judgmental is no way to live. It's a self-chosen isolated prison. Acceptance of others is the key to accepting yourself.
Free your mind. :tup:
All I ask is equal freedom. When it is denied, as it always is, I take it anyhow.
--H.L. Mencken
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Salesmanship Club '84-'86
Straight, Inc. '86-'88
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke
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ooo1, what makes you think that question is a judgement?
The anon only asked "anyone here not use drugs or alcohol?
Jeeus, can't anyone around here ask anything or express an opinion without someone jumping down their throat?
Then you go off on some diatribe suggesting this person is still programmed and needs to "free his mind".
Is this really relevant to this person's question? You have the audacity to suggest that this person is programmed and in a self induced prison because he asked a one sentence question?
Maybe you need to take your own advice and free your own mind. Hell, your post recites your drug list like you are standing up at open meeting.
:lol: :lol:
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On 2005-06-06 21:55:00, Antigen wrote:
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On 2005-06-06 13:35:00, GregFL wrote:
The delivery method becomes something the addict becomes compulsively attached to.
Yes, but that's not got anything to do w/ addiction. That's ritual. Totally different type of power, though often people confuse one for the other.Why should we take advice on sex from the Pope? If he knows anything about it, he shouldn't.
--George Bernard Shaw, Irish-born English playwright
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I don't know that I totally agree with that. Somehow when you combine an addictive substance (caffeine-coffee, Nicotene-cigarrettes, Heroin-needles, crack-crack pipe)with a reinforcing delivery method, it SEEMS that oftentimes, the physical addiction almost becomes secondary to the compulsion to repeat over and over the delivery method.
I don't fully understand this, but it is observable.
I myself, cannot, willnot, get my caffeine fix from Coca cola or any other way. Coffee is the only thing that satisfies me.
That is a minor observation. Cigarrettes are a big one. You can double someone's nicotene intake with the patch or even with chewing tobacco, but they will still smoke, even oftentimes when death from cigarrettes is imminent. Crackheads, oftentimes with not enough time to develop an addiction, will bing until all possible sources of income are gone.
What is going on here? I really don't have the answer, but it suggests that there is something more....
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how about the power and meaning in ritual.
myself i haven't smoked nicotine in a few years. if i smoked one right now, it would take me back instantly to the state of mind i was in when i first smoked, or maybe whenever i was last smoking. state dependency. it's a personal ritual and a social ritual. but anyways, the state dependency thing is powerful. it brings back memories. what were you doing before & what meaning did that have.
anyways sometimes i smoked because i was hungry, or there was nothing else.
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"Jeeus, can't anyone around here ask anything or express an opinion without someone jumping down their throat?"
Hell naw
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I do not do any kind of drugs or drinking that could risk getting my children taken away from me. It is not worth taking that chance. Maybe after my kids are grown and of legal age I may have a more free lifestyle. I am not making judgements on everyone that uses illigal drugs and such but my personal opinion is it is not worth it while I have something important to me that I wanna keep in my life. I guess it would be nice to know if anyone does not use illigal drugs here cause if I would like to know what to expect if we ever got together to visit.
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On 2005-06-07 11:37:00, Anonymous wrote:
I guess it would be nice to know if anyone does not use illigal drugs here cause if I would like to know what to expect if we ever got together to visit."
Are you worried someone is going to use around you? I doubt anyone is going to break out the crack vile in front of you if you get together for a visit.
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oops, meant vial
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On 2005-06-07 07:07:00, GregFL wrote:
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On 2005-06-06 14:00:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
Greg, I'm gonna come out to Flordia and get you gaked to the fucking gils. I'm gonna wind you up and watch you go :smokin: :flame: :flame: .
I'm gonna hook you up with a sweet ass whore and then convince you that God is real. After a few days with that pussy bonita you'll begin to understand Jesus and why he stopped those hostile moralist from throwing rocks at Mary Magdaline. He didn't wanna fuck a brused up, beat down, swollen head battered whore. He wanted to fuck a pretty one. So he told those flock-of-sheep following bastards some bullshit to get rid of em so he could have some private time with Mary behind the bushes. :grin:
I have to say, Jesus is cool with me :tup:
There were also back then "speed freaks" but that was unusual in my circle of friends and everyone stayed away from them because quite frankly, they were weird and scary. I guess that is the equivalent of today's meth.
Comparing 70's disco speed freaks to todays tweek is like comparing a firecracker to a nuclear warhead.
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Persist for ..resistance
Resist their insolence
You are a dissident
Burn your fuse to detonate
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On 2005-06-07 17:07:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
Comparing 70's disco speed freaks to todays tweek is like comparing a firecracker to a nuclear warhead.
Wow, that must really make modern day meth heads so proud!
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good one
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On 2005-06-07 07:07:00, GregFL wrote:
hehe. Hey, you wanna stop by and have a couple beers, or share a bottle of wine, Im down for that!
You had better hope to GOD that he doesn't take you up on that, Greg - we'd be more than happy to send the StraightMobile? around for you..
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Teenage Drug Use Is A Disease
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Er...I retract the invitation!
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On 2005-06-07 23:02:00, Dr. Miller Newton wrote:
"On 2005-06-07 07:07:00, GregFL wrote:
hehe. Hey, you wanna stop by and have a couple beers, or share a bottle of wine, Im down for that!
You had better hope to GOD that he doesn't take you up on that, Greg - we'd be more than happy to send the StraightMobile? around for you..
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Teenage Drug Use Is A Disease"
I have a special bottle of wine prepared for Greg :scared:
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Something interesting Cayo mentioned is using pot for insomnia. I was on trazidone for a while for it and have been on ambien(sp?) and used the natural ways to help (exerside, eating well, no smoking past a certain time, no eating past a certain time, ect) and nothing worked for me except pot. Most drugs were "invented" to help people mentaly or physically. I belive exstacy was invented for couples therapy? So it is the goverment who has programmed us to believe drugs are bad. Drugs can be very helpful to us. As long as people can use moderation I think they can be useful.
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pot works great for helping get to bed. when i run out, i have to take xanax or something else to fall asleep.. i feel much more comfortable smoking some bud than taking an addictive benzo anyday.
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It depends on the pot. What I mean to say is that it depends on the pot. If it's strong stuff, it gets my mind going or gets me laughing my ass off so I can do anything but sleep. Stuff that's not so strong can help or if I mix it with alcohol then it's usually zzzzzz time...
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Hey um yeah, just wondering... how can a forum be taken seriously when there is a manual on how to freebase blow, and another about smack? I mean, its kinda counter productive you know, people telling about how they had been sent to abusive schools and stuff for all this stuff, then talking about how to freebase blow? I mean come on, it loses its valitity, while people will simpithize with you, when they see the post they will ignore you, most likely thinking "The kid diserved it." While this is completely wrong its the way some people are, dont think im coming down on you here for whatever you like to do in your own home, because im not, and im sorry if it comes across that way, but when there is a topic about yoru favorite drug, and freebasing coke, I cant use this site for sorce stories and things, does that make sence?
I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard was not what I meant.
---Richard Nixon
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i don't have an answer for you. but think about it like this. we were severely consored in Straight. myself i do not like being censored anymore. for whatever artistic or personal or humorous reason, someone wanted to start this thread. i don't know, you could complain it isn't serious or whatever, but these are my people here, speaking, and nobody gonna shut them up. some of us are tired, too, of all the stigma around drugs and ourselves. like, if i'm talking to people about being in a drug rehab when i was a teenager that was abusive and a cult, and i know their mind is stuck on "drug rehab... what did she do, what is she on now?"
i don't know, some of us kind of guess who is posting these threads, and then it makes us think how to respond, and what our response is really about, like our own prejudices about drugs and drug users, all the inseparable morality that gets in there. i want the creative right to my life back. if someone finds their creative life in freebasing coke or shooting smack, maybe that is just their thing.
for my closing argument, i would like to say go down to the shopping mall or the fancy beachfront or whatever and watch homo sapiens in a pathetic state of ruin. an open discussion about freebasing cocaine is not the problem.
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The druggies on this forum just can't help but to glorify their miserable pasts with asinine threads such as this that ostensibly "merely provide information" about getting high. :roll:
http://fornits.com/SIBS (http://fornits.com/SIBS)
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On 2005-06-09 08:13:00, OverLordd wrote:
"Hey um yeah, just wondering... how can a forum be taken seriously when there is a manual on how to freebase blow, and another about smack?
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Seriously? Who wants to be taken seriously? No matter what was/is discussed here all day long, we wouldn't be taken 'seriously'...isn't "seriousness" only relative to one's own personal persepective anyway? And serious to whom? Who should we be on our best behavior for, Mel and Miller and other clowns that don't give a flying fuck about you or this board? Counterproductive? What would be a "productive" counterpart? Relating on our STRAIGHT trauma 24/7 just as they had us relate our past in group? I don't think so. You use this board for your purpose and I will for mine. This is not group. Welcome to the internet.
I am going to go shoot my eyeball full of a speedball now, then I am fucking Linch's sister. I have his permission.
:smokin:
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I am going to go shoot my eyeball full of a speedball now, then I am fucking Linch's sister. I have his permission.
Haha, now that ladies and gentlemen is entertainment.
relative to one's own personal persepective anyway
only if you belive in relativism
What would be a "productive" counterpart? Relating on our STRAIGHT trauma 24/7 just as they had us relate our past in group?
Accually I was thinking more along the lines of thinking up ways to get back at them and take revenge.
Now, :wink: , I agree with you, inded censoring, is a issue, so I am inclined to agree, maybe I need to back off and just not care. While drug use, may not be inherently wrong, it is still illegal, and can hurt some one, so I guess thats where my view is coming from. Ok, so I made a choice, im going to ease up, I guess your right.
P.S. whats the code for quotes on this forum? it is diffrent for eveyr one I am on. hehe
Being a street cop, witnessing the tragedy firsthand, I've become
convinced that drug prohibition -- not drugs themselves -- are driving the HIV epidemic and the systemic crime that has swamped our criminal justice systems.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder
[ This Message was edited by: OverLordd on 2005-06-09 09:17 ]
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[ q u o t e ]"what you want quoted"[ / q u o t e ]
but without the spaces in the brackets, i just put those in so it wouldn't be read as a command.[ This Message was edited by: ;) on 2005-06-09 09:28 ]
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On 2005-06-09 09:24:00, OverLordd wrote:
""Like this?"All who doubted or denied would be lost. To live a moral and honest life -- to keep your contracts, to take care of wife and child -- to make a happy home -- to be a good citizen, a patriot, a just and thoughtful man, was simply a respectable way of going to hell.
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Step 1. We came to understand that the government is powerless over people's private use of drugs and that the War on Drugs was making the government's life unmanageable.
--Scott Tillinghast
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Just hit the Quote button instead of reply for an example.
Marijuana clearly has medicinal value.
Thousands of seriously ill Americans have
been able to determine that for themselves,
albeit illegally. Like my own family, these
individuals did not wish to break the law but
they had no choice.
--Lyn Nofziger, former deputy chairman of the Republican National Committee
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On 2005-06-09 09:08:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2005-06-09 08:13:00, OverLordd wrote:
"Hey um yeah, just wondering... how can a forum be taken seriously when there is a manual on how to freebase blow, and another about smack?
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Seriously? Who wants to be taken seriously? No matter what was/is discussed here all day long, we wouldn't be taken 'seriously'...isn't "seriousness" only relative to one's own personal persepective anyway? And serious to whom? Who should we be on our best behavior for, Mel and Miller and other clowns that don't give a flying fuck about you or this board? Counterproductive? What would be a "productive" counterpart? Relating on our STRAIGHT trauma 24/7 just as they had us relate our past in group? I don't think so. You use this board for your purpose and I will for mine. This is not group. Welcome to the internet.
I am going to go shoot my eyeball full of a speedball now, then I am fucking Linch's sister. I have his permission.
:smokin: "
Fuck yeah
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It's kinda cool that we have the ability to say what we want around here.
Ginger: I was just flaming for fun. I'm sarcastic as the day is long and enjoy lashing out in a usually much more diplomatic fashion.
Pardon my craziness. I'll try to keep it more thoughtful
This thread bloomed nicely!!
RY......youse one funny cat.
The Crackhead/Meth-head A/B comparison was so tragically accurate that it was entertaining.
Who wants to pick a song? Motivate.............
TM
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On 2005-06-06 14:00:00, Reagan Youth wrote:
"Tweekers have a culture of their own. It's kinda like the old deadheads and LSD. But just like with LSD, some people can't handle it and have no bizness doing it.
But crack vs. meth
A crack smoker will steal pocket change and cheap electronics from family members.
A tweeker robs banks and jacks luxery cars.
A crack smoker might fuck his girl all night.
A tweeker will score a whore, pull her tampon out with his teeth, spit it across the room and then fuck her all week.
Crack smokers look out for cops.
Tweekers have night vision goggles, booby traps, counter informants, guns and bombs.
If you piss off a crack smoker, they might get huffy and yell, but their harmless.
If you piss off a tweeker, your gonna get your tires cut, your windows bashed, your house lite the fuck up and maybe killed.
A desperate crack smoker will suck dick for a hit.
A desperate tweeker will sneak up on a mother fucker, gut em like a fish and kick their corpse in a ditch.
crack smokers occasinally think of their habit as a problem and may experience some hope of quiting.
A tweeker just plain doesn't give a shit.
Cops have few worries about busting a crack house.
Cops are fucking scared of meth labs and are uneducated about the drug its self. They've kicked in doors, grabbed rolling jars looking like the bunny busting out of the energizer, and KA~BOOM.
An explosion of that temperture and caliber leaves nothing but ashes. Colorado Springs Police declared a victory over the meth epidemic after city council asked about the extreme decline in meth busts. I think they truly realized that loosing their lives just isn't worth a bunch of bullshit.
Greg, I'm gonna come out to Flordia and get you gaked to the fucking gils. I'm gonna wind you up and watch you go :smokin: :flame: :flame: .
I'm gonna hook you up with a sweet ass whore and then convince you that God is real. After a few days with that pussy bonita you'll begin to understand Jesus and why he stopped those hostile moralist from throwing rocks at Mary Magdaline. He didn't wanna fuck a brused up, beat down, swollen head battered whore. He wanted to fuck a pretty one. So he told those flock-of-sheep following bastards some bullshit to get rid of em so he could have some private time with Mary behind the bushes. :grin:
I have to say, Jesus is cool with me :tup:
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Coke fiends that are going over the edge think that they have it together.
Junkies that are going over the edge know they're fucking up, but don't care.