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Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2003, 03:51:00 PM
Hi,
I graduated Lakewwod HS in 74...I was not in the seed..... BUT...was greatly effected by their brainwashing on my friends.
 I did smoke pot as did most of my friends...one by one I watched them wisked away to the SEED...only to come out zomby like and shunning only other seedlings.....these were LIFE-LONG friends!!!....I have gone on to live a "normal" life...with one exception...I have a large hole where my friends should be.
 I was fortunate to leave St. Pete 2 days after graduating and moved to Gainesville where I subsequently met "new" friends who I still share life and all it's happy memmories with 25 years later...but I STILL miss all my ol SEED friends... I feel as if I've been robbed!!!
             Rp
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2003, 10:49:00 PM
Hey, I went to Lakewood. I graduated in '75. I also was a "seedling" for 9 months. It must have been so weird looking in from the outside. Did your parents ever threaten to put you in? How did you find this message board? Sorry for all the questions.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: LeighBright on April 16, 2003, 09:45:00 PM
Hi! I've been writing a book about the programs. I know you said you WEREN'T in the Seed - but I'm interested in the experiences you mention here and the types of things you witnessed and went through as a former "druggie" friend. Would you be interested in speaking with me? Because I'm very interested in speaking with you! E-mail me:

 [email protected]
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on April 17, 2003, 03:00:00 PM
Well, 74 2was the year the Seed came to St Pete, and the year I entered Lakewood High. I probably know you or you probably know my sister Frieda.  What is your name? Give me a shout at [email protected], or post it here if you are comfortable. Also, be assured that most of your zombie, robot friends returned to normal when the seed left St Pete a few years later. Only the internal scars remain...

Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come when medicine will organize an undercover dictatorship. To restrict the art of healing to one class of men, and deny equal privilege to others, will be to constitute the Bastille of medical science. All such laws are un-American and despotic, and have no place in a Republic. The Constitution of this Republic should make special privilege for medical freedom as well as religious freedom.
--Abridged quote-Benjamin Rush, M.D., a signer of the Declaration of Independence

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on May 01, 2003, 04:55:00 AM
I too lost many friends to the "Seed"!  I went to Lakewood High 1974-1978.  My girlfriend was put in the seed thanks to her lying, wus of a brother, and I volunteered to my mom to "join" so I could just get inside, but it didn't happen. I'd still kick her little brothers sorry ass if I saw him.

She contacted me after my little brother ran into her a couple of years later. I was invited to play football with a group of them after my girlfriend chose to talk to me again.  Her brother set it up so they could show me a thing or two.  Well, I played college football by then, and it was the most fun I ever had with my clothes on!  At least the "team" I was on liked being on my side.  I don't think her little brother enjoyed it.  I bet he still doesn't pick up a football without looking over his shoulder.  I guess they were amazed a 300 pound "Druggy" could move that fast.  Well, I was motivated!  I vented most of my frustrations that day.  Too bad there weren't more of them there

We never really got back together.  She wasn't the same person she had been, though we stayed friends.  There is another girl who was a swimmer, a class officer, "A" student, and a really sweet person, until the Seed.  Even years later, when I saw her, she was withdrawn, and depressed.  It was a shame what they did to break her inner spirit.  The list goes on,,,,
Fuck the Seed!

T
LHS Class of '78
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on May 07, 2003, 10:04:00 PM
The Seed came to St Pete in 1973. Not 1974.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on May 08, 2003, 04:35:00 PM
Right you are. It was June 0f 73.  I am out of the country right now so have not had a chance to review the board much. I will return to the united states at the end of the month. Hello to all my friends....


You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence.

--Charles Austin Beard

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Pink on August 05, 2003, 11:41:00 AM
While I was not a Seedling, I find myself reading through this forum with great interest. Fortunate for me, my family was piss-poor back in the 1970's on the South side of St.Pete. The seed approached my parents about putting my brother and I in the Seed, but we were too poor for such a program. After reading through some of these stories, I look back at drinking powdered milk and having that hungry feeling as a true blessing.

My actual experience with the Seed was very real, however. I, too, lost friends to the program on a regular basis. My story for you readers is about how we would help seedlings on the run. It was common for my brother and I to offer safe haven to these unfortunate souls. My favorite story is when we were being chased by the police helicopter. Of course, we had a fresh run-away from the program in our car and my mother was in the car with us. After evading the chopper in a stand of trees, my mother started to get the idea we were actually being chased. (Bless her for her tolerance)It still seems unbelievable that the police were on the side of the Seed. This is one reason that so many felt that there was nowhere to turn. Sad that our run-aways had to leave the state and survive by their own means without the support of their parents.

Mr. Greg, Thanks for pursuing this forum with such vigilance. Sorry, I will not identify myself any further than to say Lakewood '78.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on August 05, 2003, 11:57:00 AM
You are quite welcome. I bet you a nickel I know you or your brother.   Curious? Email me and tell me who you are.

[email protected].

BTW, the police were definitely on the side of the Seed. The police chief, Ray Waymire, had his two sons in the program. Kids were illegally detained and returned to the seed all the time.
In addition, the Seed illegally would search kids, take any drugs they had on them, and illegally hold them and use them as a threat (IE: if you run, we will turn these drugs over and have you court ordered to stay here).Court order was a big scare because it in effect at least doubled your time there and that would scare the shit out of anyone.

Thank you for helping those kids find their way to freedom way back then.

Suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of Congress.  But I repeat myself.
Mark Twain

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on August 06, 2003, 07:31:00 AM
In l975 when the Seed closed the Chief of Police was Mack Vines and he had two kids in the program, a son and a daughter.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on August 06, 2003, 09:07:00 AM
right, but when I was in, it was Ray Waymire and he had two sons, J*** and P***, in the program. He was the one responsible for having the police in the pocket of the seed.

To seek out the best through the whole Union, we must resort to the information which from the best of men, acting disinterestedly and with the purest motives, is sometimes incorrect.
Thomas Jefferson Letter to Elias Shipman and others of New Haven, July 12, 1801.

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on August 07, 2003, 01:02:00 PM
Mack Vines was there too.  He even did late night infomercials for the Seed.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on August 07, 2003, 01:53:00 PM
no doubt he was there, along with his daughter, but late night infomercials?  Damn, I wonder if those are still somewhere in a local vault, I sure would like to see them.  By the Time Vines was involved, all things that involved the Seed I refused to look at or acknowledge. I have no memory of those infomercials.  I really, really resented and hated the place and what it did to me and my family.

In all history, there is no instance of a country having benefited from prolonged warfare. Only one who knows the disastrous effects of a long war can realize the supreme importance of rapidity in bringing it to a close. It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war who can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.
--Sun Tzu (author of The Art of War

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on August 08, 2003, 12:44:00 PM
Best memory serves the infomercials were on after midnight.  I remember the only time I saw the infomercial was on a Friday or Saturday night, during a show that had Wolfman Jack on it, (some concert style show - obviously way before the days of MTV).  I remember the Seed emblem in the background and remember him talking about the Seed, but since I'm not l5 and it's not l975 anymore, that's all I can remember.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on August 08, 2003, 03:26:00 PM
I think the show was called "in concert" but for the life of me don't remember the vines informercial.  Then again, if I would have seen it, I would of turned the channel or left the room.  I refused at the time to acknowledge anything that had anything to do with the seed.


An individual who should survive his physical death is beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls.

--Albert Einstein

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2003, 08:35:00 PM
Were you one of those sons or daughters?
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on August 21, 2003, 11:06:00 AM
you mean am I a waymire or Vine?

Er, no.

I was in the Seed with the Waymire kids.

To the extent that a society limits its government to policing functions which curb the individuals who engage in aggressive and criminal actions, and conducts its economic affairs on the basis of free and willing exchange, to that extent domestic peace prevails. When a society departs from this norm, its governing class begins, in effect, to make war upon the rest of the nation. A situation is created in which everyone is victimized by everyone else under the fiction of each living at the expense of all.

--Edmund A. Opitz

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2003, 06:00:00 AM
And I was in with the Vines' kids.

Isn't it amazing the changes that can occur over the short span of just a few monts.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Lazarus on August 29, 2003, 06:06:00 PM
You are absolutely right, I was there when Ray Waymire's son was. We had been friends until the death of a mutual friend from an overdose, that his Mother convinced everyone was my fault. Jesus what a nightmare. I also went to LHS, but dropped out. I probably know a good many of you guys or at least older siblings etc.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on August 29, 2003, 10:35:00 PM
WElcome and thank you for posting! We have so many people lurking and afraid to post here....

Please start a thread and tell us a little about your story. Ray's brother Pat last I heard was still locked up.

Anyway, can't wait to hear your story, how you feel today about your experiences so long ago, nd how you process the experience now from an adult perspective....

He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.

--James Burgh 1774

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Lazarus on September 08, 2003, 02:46:00 AM
I don't think my story will mean much to most of those participating here, as I get the general impression that I am a good deal older than most of you. I was also a bit older(I turned 50 this year) than most of you were, when I first went to the St. Pete Seed as well, I believe in 1972 or 73. And, as I recall, I didn't stick around very long either. You'll have to forgive me, but that was thirty years, a lot of drugs and probably a good 10,000 gallons of alcohol ago. I ran from the Seed and continued running until 1996. There were a few brief stops along the way, 75-79 I spent in prison after getting drunk and pulling an armed robbery. A few months after I got out of prison, I finally gave up on the drugs, I didn't want to go back and alcohol was far easier to get. I still had all of the same demons, just a different way to deal with them.

If anyone is interested, I can tell a little more about my mis-spent youth, but it may interest you to know that all of the misery and heartache brought by The Seed, Straight, Art Barker, Mel Sembler, et al. was simply collateral damage or acceptable loss. The Seed and Straight were merely a means to an end for these "founders." There is none so powerful as he who has the control of youth and that is true either figuratively or literally. These men gained enormous power and influence, not to mention a fair amount of wealth and fame at the expense of a generation. Do a search on Art Barker or Mel Sembler, and you might be surprised at results. If nothing else, look and see what the pain and misery a few thousands kids gets people.

[ This Message was edited by: Lazarus on 2003-09-08 00:21 ]
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Antigen on September 08, 2003, 04:59:00 PM
Thanks, Lazarus, for getting it.

I came around to my interest in the Program after probably 5 years of more of looking into drug policy and around 18 years after I split for the final time.

Having looked into the issue pretty thoroughly and read and heard a lot of different people's stories, there are some people who went through the Program with whom I would not want to trade places, not on a bet! However, there are a lot more people who've been subject to some of the Semblers other helpful programs with whom I would definitely not like to trade lives.

If it were all about what happened to me and my family 20 years ago, it wouldn't be that important to me. It's not. I knew how cracked these people were and was happy just to be away from them, even though it split my family. When something in the broader world gave me the creeps because it reminded me of the Program, I always chalked it up to leftover paranoia.

When I found out that I wasn't paranoid after all; the these same people were involved in the most insidious and lunatic aspects of the drug war, that's when I decided that I had to do what I could to get the word out, even though I liked it far better when only I was a little paranoid but the rest of the world was more-or-less OK.

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark.  The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.  
--Plato

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on September 13, 2003, 09:14:00 PM
Hey lazarius. Nice to hear from you. I am out of the country right now but will be back tomorrow. Please post more of your story, and welcome to our forum....


There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2003, 03:49:00 AM
I was put in the seed because somebody saw me as a threat to them when they were in and I was not there. They came to my parents and brainwashed them. These people all claimed they were my "friends" but were rather stuck-up towards me because I was poor. My bill with the Seed wasn't paid off ever. Fake friends before ...during......and now of course they are ALL screwed up on all kinds of things I hear... but I'm clean and sober still. But I don't have one really close friend who understands me. They even put me in Straight Inc. later and I escaped and left the country. I wasn't even abusing drugs. I was working in nightclubs as a musician. I've even talkd with one of these key people who hd me put in the seed and he tried to push dope on me. I had him busted. I don't care what people do, but the Dunedin click of Seed kids were all no good at all. Glad to be rid of the bunch.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on October 31, 2003, 06:47:00 AM
And very glad to have you hear. Welcome to The SDF!

Don't you suppose that maybe...after all these years, you could perhaps start viewing those other kids as victims also.....even the Dunedin Seed Kids? Many many children with no drug problems had severe drug problems after the Seed.

go figure....

Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
-- Anonymous

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on October 31, 2003, 09:06:00 AM
Quote
On 2003-10-31 00:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

but I'm clean and sober still. But I don't have one really close friend who understands me.


Don't be too sure of that. I felt misunderstood until about five years ago when I realized there were thousands, literally tens of thousands, of kids now adults that shared my experience. You know what, I also found out that some people very close to me, that came to be my friends  miles and miles from where I had been abused as a kid, were straight graduates that were keeping it a big secret.

The problem, as I see it, is shame. We all carried it for so long, we buried it, we disvowed the Seed, we refused to think about it or talk about it, we hid it from our spouses and children, but it never really went away it just became a negative part of us, a hurtfull portion of our wounded egos.

That shame belongs back in our childhood, and on the backs of the perpetrators of this scam.

And back to your original comment, there are many many people who read this message board that understand.

Where powers are assumed which have not been delegated, a nullification of the act is the rightful remedy.
Thomas Jefferson: Kentucky Resolutions, 1798

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Froderik on October 31, 2003, 09:12:00 AM
What branch of straight were you in and when?
(I was in VA from '82 - '85.)
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on October 31, 2003, 10:21:00 AM
Froderick, reread his/her post. The person was in The Seed St Pete during the same time frame I was there, way back in the early 70s........

WE ARE OLD


What experiences and history teach is this-that people and government never have learned anything from history, or acted on principles deduced from it.

--G.W.F Hegel (1770-1831)

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
reread his post Greg - he also said he was in Straight (I imagine it was St. Pete)
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on October 31, 2003, 01:12:00 PM
Oops!  Sorry I stand corrected.

Was it St Pete Straight, Anon, and would you PLEASE give us a post comparing/contrasting the two camps??????


THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on December 21, 2003, 12:07:00 AM
You know Greg, I had hardly any problems in the Seed except the outside world. I still am severely more reclused because of the military. I lost my brother to straight. I got put in a level #5 military psychiactric prison and believe me Haladol, 30 milograms a day is not a recreational drug. Especially without side effect pills. So i was a pretzel and still scared shitless of the VA. I'm more withdrawn and introverted than I was in the Seed. I just don't know why my Seed"friends" didn't understand.This was back in the 70's.I've still ghost pains all in my brain from the drug Haladol. Thanx to these "friends and their brainwashed misunderstanding I did not have a friend at all and still am a ward of the government. Excemption program got me a pension for my disclosure to te Seed, and they gave me a classified operation to work with overseas, I worked hard for Uncle Sam. None of my "pals" from the Seed even were serious about me and had all gone back to dope and booze. I don't even know why I exist anymore. I'm not even allowed to talk about it. I guess I'll always be a loner, But still I think most of my VA friends are dead too. Long hard truck,but thank you for moderating.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Dazzleland on January 17, 2004, 04:12:00 PM
I graduated Lakewood in 75 also.  I was in the Seed for over a year before my parents had to threaten to pull me out if I didn't get an "honorable discharge".  I still remember the night I got off my program.  The whole room was silent with disgust... the staff members and hundreds of guys and chicks.  Hmm.  I always found it fucked up that if you were actually honest, you failed and were openly hated by The Seed and everyone in it.  On the other hand, if you lied, everyone thought you were wonderful.

That aside, fear not.  The brainwashing goes away and your friends are still out there and are still your friends.  Do some Internet searches for them and see what you find.  Register on this site so they can find you.  I promise you, they are okay now and want to hear from you.

Rich L (Lakewood class of 75)
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on January 24, 2004, 05:05:00 PM
Hey Rich, good to hear from you.

Give me a call when you get in town or near town.


Clancy's Law: The perceived role of governments is to deploy ever increasing resources to the attainment of  ever diminishing end results.
--Home Page (http://ozinfo.com/)

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on April 20, 2004, 07:16:00 PM
I did not go to the seed but a lot of my friends did.  I graduated from Lakewood in 1977 and I remember how hard it was when my friends came out and would not even acknowledge me.  Later, a friend told me it was because they were always being watched.  One of my good friends used to sneek smiles at us "druggies" and came back into my group as soon as he graduted.  Later died in a motorcycle accident.  Another "seedling I knew I believed died of an overdose at the  age of about 23.  I was somewhat of a druggie in high school but was able to find a straight life after highschool.  I wish luck to you all.  I wonder if Kathy went to Lakewood and does her last name start with A.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on April 20, 2004, 09:39:00 PM
Thanks for logging on. I am sure we must know each other. If you would like to speak in private, email me at [email protected].

Many seedlings from lakewood it seems met untimely deaths. Are you speaking of Chris (motorcycle accident) and David L (overdose)?  If not, I sure would like to know who you are speaking of.

Welcome again!
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2004, 08:22:00 AM
Greg:  Yes I do believe we probably knew each other.  Your name is familiar,  but it has been a long time.  So sorry about David and Chris.  They were good people. I had lost touch with them by the time they passed away.  Reading these posts kind of helps me to understand what you all went through and understand a little better why the "seedlings" acted as they did back then.  Funny that I was such a druggie but i am so protective of my kids.  Remember that your parents did what they thought was right.  Hindsight is 20-20. My kids go to private school.I am a chicken,  so far so good.Do you have any idea what happened to Kathy Altvater or her brother Donnie.  I always felt she was so strong and would end up with a great life. Anyway thanks for answering my post.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on April 21, 2004, 09:15:00 AM
You know, I haven't heard from either one of them since I was 16 or so. I remember Kathy Joined the swim team and was developing an identity away from the Seed, Donnie was really into his dirt bike and was a funny goofy guy, I liked him.

I heard some news about them from a friend in St Pete about two years ago and forgot. I am sorry.

Thanks again for logging on, but I am curious..How did you find this site?
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on April 21, 2004, 09:16:00 AM
BTW, somewhere in this forum is a story about me leaving St Pete when I caught wind my father was trying to throw me back in the program. It was David L and I that took off and went to Illinois,and of course you know he is dead now. Him and I were good friends and his brother and I are in touch once in a while.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2004, 10:12:00 AM
Greg: I sent you an email.  Did you get it .
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on April 21, 2004, 10:17:00 AM
No, please try again.

[email protected]


Lately I have been getting a lot of Viagra ads, calias ads, pleas from Nigerian widows with 100s of millions of dollars,virus attachments and other nonsense, so there is a chance I inadvertenly deleted it. IF so, sorry.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2004, 10:22:00 AM
I'll try again.  Computer is not my strong suit.  Child of the seventies
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2004, 10:36:00 AM
Greg:  I can't get to you.  Keep getting error message.  I'll try after getting help from someone who understands computers.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: yhana on October 17, 2005, 07:34:00 PM
I was never in the Seed but I lost friends to it.  I grew up in Lakewood Estates and graduated from Lakewood High in 1977.

I never understood the reaction from those poor kids to a simple hello.  They seemed horrified and terrified and just plain paralyzed.  After reading some of these messages I am begining to get a sense of the true horror that they went through.  I feel selfish for feeling sorry for MYSELF when a seedling, former friend, would not speak to me anymore.  

Such a waste.  I was sorry then for those kids and I am still sorry now.  

Thank God my folks were too independent to put us under the control of other people!
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Antigen on October 17, 2005, 08:28:00 PM
Thanks for posting. I've always wondered what the typical onlookers, old friends and neighbors, made of the whole thing.

Don't feel bad about it. We were dealing w/ expert dementors. We all were tossed into a gun fight w/ not even a knife.

Now, tell us a Seed story, please! Whatever springs to mind; funny, tragic, heart warming, odd... whatever made an impression.

The present system is among the most impractical imaginable, if the facilitation of learning is your aim.
--Neil Postman and Charles Weingartner

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 06:30:00 AM
A SEED story........The first one that comes to mind is about a girl that kept her horse at Pineview Stables.  A really sweet girl that had a paint horse.  She disappeared for awhile.  I was just beginning to figure out about this whole SEED thing.  She came back to the stables one day and I saw her out riding in the back (there were woods out there).  I rode up to her to just say hi.  She FREAKED out!  Almost jumped out of her skin.  We were in the middle of the woods!  No one was around but a few squirrels and birds.  She rode off and I followed her asking what was wrong.  She turned and tearfully said that if I didn't get away from her she would have to go back.  I sat there stunned.  I didn't have a clue as to where she had been to begin with.  Or what talking to me had to with going back somewhere.  Long story short I went back to the barn and talked to some of the older kids.  Found out all about the SEED SUCKS.  Turns out that it wasn't because I was such a druggie (at the time I think I barely knew what pot even was) but that it was because of the people that lived in my neighborhood, the people that I talked to and the people that I just plain lived around!
Over the next few years I saw more and more folks that I knew going into the SEED.  Of course that was the last I ever had to do with them.  I did not help by saying that the SEED sucks every chance I got.  I did not help those kids by speaking to them.  Now I see that I probably caused them more trouble by trying to reach out and say hi to those kids that had that 'deer caught in the headlights look'.  
Well this was it for the first seed story that came to mind.  Don't know if it hurts or helps.  I am certainly glad that there is this place where folks can try to purge that part of their history.
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Antigen on October 18, 2005, 01:45:00 PM
Really, don't sweat it! Yeah, sure, in the moment it was always stressful when someone would goad us on like that. But it was also very reassuring to those of us who were just waiting it out.

Reminds me of the funniest damned thing that happened to me while in Straight. I was on a permission w/ my mom and a couple of other Straightlings at Disney World. (long story, but these were required, regimented type field trips. Pretending convincingly that it was much, much more fun than anything prior to intake day was also required)

So anyway, here I am w/ these dweebs wandering down Main Street USA when I caught a whiff of the kind on the air. That would have been surreal enough, but then I spoted the source. It was this guy on stilts dressed like Uncle Sam, sauntering along, grinning and tokin' up right there in front of Mickey Mouse and everybody. I never did figure out if my companions noticed and just thought it was better left unsaid of if they really missed it entirely.

Government operates best when it allows all messengers to offer their views, allowing the American people to decide which take root and which wither away.
--Harold Furchtgott-Roth, member of the Federal Communications Commission

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: ChrisL on October 18, 2005, 10:02:00 PM
Wolfman Jack's
"Midnight Special" the one you are thinking of Greg is

Don Kirshners' "In Concert"
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Napolean Bonafart on October 19, 2005, 02:55:00 AM
"In concert" was a network show that came on at 11:00 P.M. friday night. Midnight special was Saturday night at 12:00. Don Kirshner had a thing called "Rock Concert" That was back in the day.

Truth resides in every human heart, and one has to search for it there, and to be guided by truth as one sees it. But no one has a right to coerce others to act according to his own view of truth.
                                     
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Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Napolean Bonafart on October 19, 2005, 02:57:00 AM
Don't tell me the Dunedin click is finally coming out of the closet to harass me again?

The last struggles of a great superstition are very frequently the worst.
--Andrew Dickson

Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 03:02:00 PM
Yahana:  I also graduated from Lakewood in 1977 and spent a lot of my youth at Pineview.  Perhaps we knew each other.  GregFl also went to Lakewood.  Email me sometime and we'll figure out if we knew each other.  MPV 459
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: ChrisL on October 19, 2005, 11:50:00 PM
"In concert" was a network show that came on at 11:00 P.M. friday night. Midnight special was Saturday night at 12:00. Don Kirshner had a thing called "Rock Concert" That was back in the day.

AAAAhhhhhh.. You are correct,   Grasshopper...
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on October 21, 2005, 10:00:00 AM
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On 2005-10-19 20:50:00, ChrisL wrote:

" "In concert" was a network show that came on at 11:00 P.M. friday night. Midnight special was Saturday night at 12:00. Don Kirshner had a thing called "Rock Concert" That was back in the day.



AAAAhhhhhh.. You are correct,   Grasshopper..."


yes, and it was considered a "druggie show" that I could not watch during the seed.  

Damn, I just loved that show. I remember watching deep purple smash their guitars after a set that concluded with "smoke on the water".

What a great show that was!
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: GregFL on October 21, 2005, 10:03:00 AM
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On 2005-10-17 16:34:00, yhana wrote:

"I was never in the Seed but I lost friends to it.  I grew up in Lakewood Estates and graduated from Lakewood High in 1977.



I never understood the reaction from those poor kids to a simple hello.  They seemed horrified and terrified and just plain paralyzed.  After reading some of these messages I am begining to get a sense of the true horror that they went through.  I feel selfish for feeling sorry for MYSELF when a seedling, former friend, would not speak to me anymore.  



Such a waste.  I was sorry then for those kids and I am still sorry now.  



Thank God my folks were too independent to put us under the control of other people!

"


Damn I bet I know you.....
Title: Lost Friends to the SEED
Post by: Napolean Bonafart on October 21, 2005, 05:27:00 PM
I fucking watched all the shows on TV, did my own shows, and went to shows at concert halls. The Seed knew all about it. It was the Dunedin click that had me ruined from being a rock and roll legend by putting me in straight. But of course people carried the torch. I played in a dance hall band.

Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.
--Dan Barker, author and former evangelist