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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Public School and Program Abuse
« on: December 01, 2010, 01:34:55 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
I disagree, Programs are very highly structured with staff to child ratios close to 8:1 in many cases. The kids are never left alone and are always in groups

8 to 1 staff to student?  That's laughable.  Show some evidence.

Kids are never left alone?  Also laughable.  Kids are put into isolation all the time.  They are constantly left alone with a single staff member for work assignments, etc.  I guess all of the rapes, sexual asaults, suicides and self-harm must be done in front of groups of kids and groups of staff eight times as large as the group of kids.  I wonder how these kids end up beaten, raped or dead by their own hand with dozens of people watching them all the time?

Whooter, you really have no idea what you're talking about and are blatantly lying yet again.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: ASR Alumni Interview
« on: December 01, 2010, 01:16:54 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
I really dont think she would be interested too much.

Translation: "I fabricated a daughter."

Anyway, back when Whooter's posts were strung together and it showed he had over 7,000 anonymous posts he claimed it was his wife and daughter doing the posting.  He has also claimed his daughter never posted here.  There is no daughter, people.  No daughter, no son, no "program success story"...it's all fake.

Whooter has told so many lies that he can no longer keep them straight.  He tells all sorts of stories with all different, mutually exculsive details.  He doesn't even know when his fabricated daughter went to ASR.  He changed that story a half dozen times, too.

Aspen's whole story and Whooter's whole story are straight-up fiction.

I spend a lot of time in northern Vermont and have a hunting/fishing lodge right on Isle La Motte in Lake Champlain (right over the causeway from St. Albans) and I can tell you for a fact that there isn't even a Costco in St. Albans.  The closest one is all the way down by Burlington and nobody is going to make that drive for a part-time job.  The whole story is just plain old phony.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: Fabricated ASR Alumni Interview
« on: December 01, 2010, 09:40:31 AM »
Desperate change of subject back to the fake "interview."

Quote from: "Troll Control"
The point is the "the message" is phony and so is "the messenger."  You have your stories all screwed up.  You made up a son, made up a daughter, made up program experiences, made up the dates, made up the "Dave Marcus" timeline and can't keep all your lies straight anymore.  It's not "attacking the messenger."  It's "pointing out a liar with an agenda."

The bottom line is your entire "personal program story" is fabricated.  It doesn't make me upset, nor do I suspect it angers anyone else.  It only makes you mad that you have been caught lying about everything and have been outed.  You were dragged out of the shadows and when your name was put on all of your posts, you were exposed as a complete liar and charlatan.  That's all I'm saying.  If you don't like it when people point out your fabrications, you ought not to fabricate everything.

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These children are in desperate need of being isolated from their community.

Same old quackery.  All research points to the fact that Asperger kids need to be in inclusive environments and aggregating and isolating them only compounds their problems.  That's some business plan they have there.  What a joke.

The only question is whiuch will fold first?  Aspen Ed or this pending shithole that plans to isolate Asperger kids.  John Q. Public must be dumb as a rock to hire these idiots.

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I don't think anyone is going to buy a cratering business with tens of millions in debt and no profitable projections for the future.  Aspen gets continuously sued and pays out giant settlements regularly and that's in addition to the fact the business doesn't actually make any money in the first place.  It will probably just get shut down and the properties will be sold.

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Aspen Education Group / Fabricated ASR Alumni Interview
« on: December 01, 2010, 08:58:39 AM »
The point is the "the message" is phony and so is "the messenger."  You have your stories all screwed up.  You made up a son, made up a daughter, made up program experiences, made up the dates, made up the "Dave Marcus" timeline and can't keep all your lies straight anymore.  It's not "attacking the messenger."  It's "pointing out a liar with an agenda."

The bottom line is your entire "personal program story" is fabricated.  It doesn't make me upset, nor do I suspect it angers anyone else.  It only makes you mad that you have been caught lying about everything and have been outed.  You were dragged out of the shadows and when your name was put on all of your posts, you were exposed as a complete liar and charlatan.  That's all I'm saying.  If you don't like it when people point out your fabrications, you ought not to fabricate everything.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Public School and Program Abuse
« on: November 30, 2010, 03:36:05 PM »
Programs are a child predator's dream.  They get to have complete control over the kids they want to abuse and can even force them into isolation where it's the kid's word against theirs about what happened.  Most programs don't even do background checks on employees and hire bottom-of-the-barrel line staff that they cvall "counselors."

One program was opened by a pedophile and was given the Struggling Teens' "stamp of approval" after a visit and glowing review on the website.  The only problem was that the program owner was raping all the little girls in his care and was, after years of doing this, arrested and charged with over 120 counts of child sex abuse.

Yep, for a child predator, the Program is the place to be.

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It would be great if it just went under and wasn't able to continue sytematically abusing children like so many of its facilities have been found to do.  Several Aspen programs have been shut down by Johnny Law for abusing and even killing kids.  It's only a matter of time before it dies off.

My sources were dead on over a year ago when I was informed Aspen was being shopped.  I hope they don't find a buyer and just deep-six those shitholes.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: ASR Alumni Interview
« on: November 30, 2010, 03:21:47 PM »
Yeah, and you also said she was there when Dave Marcus was there.  That wasn't until after 2002.  Your entire made-up story is shot through with holes, man.

Too many made up stories about too many made up kids to keep 'em straight I guess.

Quote from: "Whooter"
I fabricated a son

Yes, you sure did. And a daughter, too. And a whole "story" to go along with it.  And...Well, nevermind.  You made pretty much everything up out of thin air.  People are tired of your threadbare stories and lies.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: ASR Alumni Interview
« on: November 30, 2010, 03:10:05 PM »
You have said previously that your make-believe kid was at ASR in 2001.  That was 9 years ago.  You have also said your ficticious kid was at ASR for 14 months and another time 16 months.  Not very convincing at all.

FWIW, this "interview" looks phony, too.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Education about forced therapy
« on: November 30, 2010, 01:01:01 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
There are no serious punishments for not attending therapy.

This quote shows astounding ignorance of how programs work and operate.

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That sound you hear is Aspen Education circling the toilet drain.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: Aspen Education's Systematic Child Abuse
« on: November 12, 2010, 11:09:04 AM »
Quote from: "Troll Control"
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
So true, Anne.  Here's some more about the investigation that showed Aspen Education systematically abuses children in their care:

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November 2, 2009

Background Information: Mt. Bachelor Academy
Children, Adults and Families Division, Oregon Department of Human Services

Investigations conducted by the Oregon Department of Human Services at Mt. Bachelor Academy (MBA), a therapeutic boarding school located near Prineville, have resulted in nine substantiated findings of child abuse and neglect against the school's leadership and therapeutic program.

As a result of the abuse investigation and violations of Oregon’s licensing standards, the state has ordered Mt. Bachelor Academy to temporarily cease all therapeutic, educational and residential services to children until further notice.

The abuse and neglect findings centered on the program as a whole, as well as the school’s Executive Director, and involved five children who attended Mt. Bachelor Academy during 2007-2009. The results of the investigation are being provided to local law enforcement officials.

The investigation was conducted by the Office of Investigation and Training (OIT) at DHS. Investigators with OIT reported that all students at MBA were required to participate in “emotional growth” workshops, called Lifesteps, which included activities that were coercive, intimidating and humiliating -- including sexualized role play and reenactment of past traumatic events, such as prior physical or sexual abuse.

While the initial reports described concerns about Lifesteps, the investigation ultimately revealed serious safety concerns about MBA’s curriculum and program as a whole. The experience of the five students was consistent with that of other children enrolled at the school. The report concluded that the experiences of “these five youth are exemplars of the program's treatment of its students as a whole."

As a result of the OIT investigation, DHS Children, Adults and Families Residential Treatment Services and Licensing found violations of state licensing standards for therapeutic boarding schools, and state officials will require MBA to cease providing therapeutic, educational and residential services to children.

The licensing program determined in its investigation that there are conditions present that immediately endanger the health and safety of the children enrolled at MBA. The program found that MBA’s methods of educational instruction, emotional and behavioral intervention and daily interaction with students create an immediate threat which places all children at risk of harm.  

Further, the investigation revealed that MBA has subjected children to Lifestep workshops as a therapy technique that is harmful and damaging to their health or welfare. In addition, that MBA has not provided the therapeutic treatment necessary for children to overcome or improve with substance abuse issues, mental health issues, eating disorders and other issues, nor provided qualified staff to treat such conditions.  

The substantiated incidents of abuse or neglect are shown below:
•   Mt. Bachelor Academy Executive Director neglected the care of four children by failing to ensure individualized and therapeutic treatment plans were developed to address past abuse and significant emotional and behavioral issues.
•   The Mount Bachelor Academy program abused a child in 2007 by requiring the child to engage in sexualized role play in front of staff and peers.
•   The Mount Bachelor program abused a second child in 2009 by requiring the child to make obscene and self-degrading comments out loud, in front of staff and peers. In addition, the Mount Bachelor program neglected the same child during 2008-2009 by failing to provide adequate medical care and supervision.
•   The Mount Bachelor Academy program neglected a third child in 2009, by failing to provide adequate supervision during an international trip.
•   The Mount Bachelor Academy program abused a fourth child in 2008 by requiring the child to engage in degrading activities such as acting out sexualized role play and physical abuse, and by being subjected to obscene and degrading comments by staff in front of other staff and peers.
•   The Mount Bachelor Academy program abused a fifth child during 2009 by requiring and/or permitting staff to use derogatory names, phrases, ridicule and harassment.
•   The Mount Bachelor Academy program neglected five children between 2007 and 2009 by failing to provide individualized treatment to meet their diagnosed mental health needs.
•   The Mount Bachelor Academy program abused five children between 2007 and 2009 by requiring them to engage in activities that were coercive, intimidating, harassing, and/or humiliating.

The substantiated incidents meet Oregon's legal definition of child abuse because they were inconsistent with recommended and appropriate treatment or care, used derogatory names/phrases, profanity, ridicule, harassment, coercion, and/or intimidation that was likely to endanger the child's health or welfare. In addition, the activities subjected children to a substantial risk of harm to their health or welfare, and the adults failed to supervise or intervene when the child needed assistance or care, in an activity that was likely to endanger their health or welfare.

An expert in the field of child and adolescent psychiatry consulted by DHS as part of the investigation concluded: "In general, coercive, degrading and humiliating treatment is harmful to young people, especially those with psychological vulnerabilities. Young people (male and female) who have been victims of abuse often hold themselves responsible for the abuse, and develop sexualized behavior for reasons they often don't understand. To confront them and humiliate them about these behaviors in an effort to force them to see themselves more clearly and consequently change their behavior can be very destructive. It has the risk of reinforcing self-blame and self-loathing attitudes already present in traumatized individuals. It is essentially retraumatizing."
 
Today's report also includes a substantiated allegation of child abuse against the Executive Director of MBA as "the individual responsible for delivery of therapeutic care to MBA students.”  In that role, the Executive Director “administers through staff an ‘emotional growth’ curriculum in which all students must participate regardless of their emotional, behavioral or mental health needs, and regardless of their own trauma histories.  This curriculum is delivered by staff who are not trained to treat the broad range of issues the children bring, and who routinely degrade and humiliate them.” The report concludes that the Executive Director, “knew or should have known what happens to students in [the] program.”

Mt. Bachelor Academy is a licensed Therapeutic Boarding School, located in a rural area, 26 miles east of Prineville, Oregon, licensed originally in 1988. The school admits both male and female students who are from age 14 to 17.5 at the time of admission, although some children are admitted pursuant to an exception as young as age 13. The total capacity is 125 students and the average length of stay is 14-16 months. Tuition is $6,400 a month with an additional up front, one time $2,200 enrollment fee. Other service fees are not included. In 2008, Mt. Bachelor was reorganized and became a program of Aspen Education Group. Aspen was recently acquired by CRC Health Group, Inc. In March of 2009, MBA had approximately 77 staff and 88 boarding students.

Last March, the state received reports of child abuse against Mt. Bachelor Academy, initially concerning the Lifesteps program at MBA. OIT is a division of DHS that investigates allegations of abuse by paid staff in various therapeutic or treatment settings, and OIT handled the investigation of the reports of abuse at MBA. There were two investigators primarily assigned to go to Prineville and interview people on campus. In addition, the office used three other investigators to conduct witness interviews of people in- and out-of-state. The investigators conducted interviews involving 65 witnesses, including MBA students and staff, along with licensed therapists familiar with individual students. Investigators consulted with a medical expert certified in Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, and they reviewed documents and photographed materials used as part of the MBA therapy program.  

At the same time, the DHS Licensing program investigated standards for health and safety and looked at the school's compliance with Oregon Administrative Rules related to their license as a therapeutic boarding school. Licensing notified MBA that they were prohibited from conducting their own investigation into the allegations of abuse reported to have occurred; prohibited from destroying or otherwise concealing school or student records; prohibited from disciplining or threatening discipline to students interviewed during the investigation; prohibited from conducting Lifesteps activities until further notice. Parents of students were notified of the investigation.

A "Therapeutic boarding school" is a program that is primarily a school and not a residential care agency (as defined in OAR 413-215-0506).  Therapeutic boarding schools are licensed to provide both educational services and care to children for 24 hours a day and hold themselves out as serving children with emotional or behavioral problems by providing therapeutic services or assuring that children receive therapeutic services.

So, basically, in 2008 this program became part of Aspen Education and within one year was found to be systematically abusing all of the children in its care and getting shut down.  Aspen's programs are designed this way and implemented this way, causing massive trauma to its abused and neglected victims.

PARENTS BEWARE ASPEN EDUCATION PROGRAMS. :poison:  :suicide:

This program was included in the Behrens study.  She concluded that child abuse is effective in helping kids. :eek:

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Quote from: "Troll Control"
I've been saying this for many years.  The vast majority of these programs have "self-study" academics, no accreditation, no licensed teachers, etc.

We had a long discussion several years ago about the Academy at Swift River, an Aspen Education Program, and the unaccredited academics there.  It was insisted by one poster here that all credits transfer, the school was accredited, etc., although he did admit that his own child had to repeat a year of highschool after leaving ASR.  He continued to claim "improvements have been made and all credits transfer and 100% of this kids get into the college of their choice."  This is false.

After operating this "school" for over a decade, Aspen Education still does not provide transferable credits through its education program.  Here is a recent statement from just last year from a parent whose child was forced to repeat a year of high school after finishing the ASR program:

Quote from: "ASR Parent"
This school is not structured. The credits do not transfer to any school other than as those such as a gym class or band credits. My son, upon returning to regular highschool, had to repeat junior year while taking senior year. I do not recommend this school to anyone.
Posted by a parent on 07/28/09

Link

Parents should beware Aspen Education's aggressive and false marketing of its "schools" which cannot issue diplomas nor transerable academic credits.

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Aspen Education Group / Re: What Type of Kids "Succeeded" in Behrens Study?
« on: November 12, 2010, 11:06:07 AM »
Quote from: "Troll Control"
Quote from: "Behrens Study"
These final results indicated that adolescents who
had lower levels of psycho-social symptoms at admission (adolescent report), the absence of a
mood disorder, a positive experience in the program, a sense that their problems had improved,
and parents who were satisfied with the program were more likely to report positive outcomes at
discharge from residential treatment.

Well, there goes the "programs help kids with severe problems - too severe for local treatment" angle.

The kids who self-reported to have improved had no severe problems to begin with, no mood disorders and parents who were satisfied with their purchase.

So, the more or less "normal teens" showed improvement but the ones with real problems were pulled by their parents because they weren't improving or dropped from the program because they were accepted even though the program had no ability to help them (26% of participants).

Also keep in mind there has never been any follow up to determine if any of these results were lasting.  Previous research has shown severe degradation of results beginning immediately after discharge.

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