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I am a little surprised that military school never became a thing here as there is certainly a macho edge to some aspects of australian culture.  I am not sure I am sold on the idea as it seems a little overly structured and disciplined. But then many australians who have been educated by jesuits say it comes close. There is something creepy about children dressed up as baby soldiers that I just dont like. particularly if they are not even in their teens. But as you say it is consensual and looks harmless enough. At least military school does not use a cocktail party sort of model for education.

Some older Americans tell me that military school used to be where badly behaved boys were sent. Bill Brysons biography of his childhood mentions his father frequently threatening it when he misbehaved. But it appears that this has changed and they only take kids who are keen to go. Did anyone get sent to military school to "shape up" behavior wise? If so was it just like a slightly stricter boarding school or more like a punitive bootcamp?

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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

Sorry for the slur to any real JWs out there, but the door knocking really does piss me off.

Crazy Mac used to keep a pair of long leather welding gloves by the door. When an evangelist or salesman would knock, he'd grab up those gloves and invite them along to feed the dogs.

I've actually thought about inviting them in and debating them.  When I was a kid, a friend's mom did that and they walked out of the house two hours later absolutely stunned.  This lady knew her scripture well and the more she studied it, the more atheistic she got.

Perhaps your friend's mum should have done what this guy did
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U58wgn-9Y3c

she did state upon leaving that the only good thing about the place was the kids. The book also featured all of those things and worse while also talking the place up. you are full of shit whooter

Oscar i assume this is gennarose from what it takes to pull me through. If I remember correctly the book said she left claiming the only good thing about the place was the kids. This along with the extremely lax attitude to a suicide attempt, The eventual sucessful suicide of another student from the group, The expolsion for oding on drugs of another and practices like leaving one student to supervise the bathroom visits of an anorexic girl that she actively disliked as well as the grandiose hysterics of the egotistical headmaster should have been enough to send any sane person running a mile from the school!

http://www.operationflinders.org.au/the-program/access
It seems that since i spoke to them there have been a few changes in the kids that they accept. While they still take referrals from schools, they also now take kids in the justice system so it looks like technically a judge can "sentence" a kid to operation flinders. I would assume as part of a variety of community service activities.It used to be that kids would do this before going before the judge as evidence that they were attempting reform.
As far as I am aware nothing else about it has changed.
I think it is like outward bound in that the so called "therapy" is participating in the course and working toward a clear goal as opposed to being constantly in the dark about what activity you have to do next

I get the feeling that it was muuuuch more fun for them than it was for the audience!
here is the original. This is how it is supposed to sound. Great song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGU-uP_8 ... re=related

In some ways I feel sorry for empty nesting parents. It is natural to grieve when your kid leaves home. Because most kids here don't necessarily move away to go to university here. It is common to live at home for the first year or 2 of uni. My family had various people living there on and off well into their early 20s. If kids do share a place or live in a university college they often drop home with washing and to raid the fridge anyway. But there is a sense that after high school ends no parent wants to know what their young adult is ingesting/ sleping with/doing for fun. It is also taken for granted that parents only nag about study till the kids finish high school. Then they are on their own.
I am actually a little surprised that the kids tolerate mum hanging about. Here it is common whether the kid is 18 or 23 for mum and dad to avoid visiting the kid on their own turf. There is always the sense that there will be a bong/obnoxious poster/reference to someones sex life hanging about that mum and dad doesn't approve of so most figure it is easier to let the kid come home to them or to meet at a restaurant and buy dinner for JR that way everyone is happy. The only drawback for parent is if the kid brings a tribe of friends with them looking for a meal. I wonder if part of he clingyness here is that it is more common for american kids to move a long way away for university.

youth care was where brendan blum died. He complained and they ignored it charges were filed against the staff. His mother researched the place and was lead to beleive he would get top quality care. I wonder if this study was one of the things that convinced her that the poor boy would be in good hands.

Charges Filed in Death of Brendan Blum
2 youth counselors charged in California boy's death
14-year-old was staying at treatment center in Draper

By Pat Reavy and Rebecca Palmer
Deseret Morning News
Published: October 12, 2007

Two counselors at a residential youth treatment center in Draper where a 14-year-old boy died in June were charged Thursday in connection with the boy's death.

Deborah Cole and Jorge Ramirez, from Youth Care Inc., 12600 Minuteman Drive, each face one count of abuse or neglect of a child, a third-degree felony.

On June 27, Brendan Blum of California was suffering bowel and stomach problems. He had been vomiting and suffering from diarrhea all night, said Draper Police Sgt. Gerry Allred. Rather than contacting the on-call nurse as the facility's policy dictates, the boy was simply given some medicine and put in a separate room away from the rest of the boys, he said. The next morning, the boy, who was listed as a disabled child because he had Asperger's syndrome, was found dead on his mattress.

"There was no really good reason why they didn't take him ... no explanation except they just thought it was an upset stomach," Allred said.

An autopsy determined the boy had an obstructed bowel that deteriorated as the night went on, Allred said. The on-call nurse, who was later interviewed by police, said if she had been called to look at the boy she would have advised he immediately go to the hospital, he said.
The Utah State Medical Examiner concurred, "if medical intervention had been obtained, (the boy's) death would have been preventable," according to court documents.

The boy's mother, Dana Blum, said she is appalled that workers at the facility didn't take him to an emergency room. Any time a child dies while in the care of a licensed facility, the facility should be shut down immediately, she said.

Blum has filed a complaint with the Utah licensing board and is waiting for the investigation to be completed.

She hopes the individuals who operated the facility will be held accountable along with the workers.

"I don't wish them any ill, I would just like to see justice done for my son," she said.

The facility issued a statement shortly after the boy's death saying it was the result of a "medical condition." The group home is operated by Aspen Education Group, based in Cerritos, Calif. It is a division of the CRC Health Group, which runs boarding schools, outdoor education programs and weight-loss camps.

Ironically, the charges came one day after the Government Accountability Office in Washington, D.C., found thousands of abuse allegations at camps and other private treatment facilities around the country.

Blum hopes the national attention will result in stricter standards and more accountability across the board.

Brendan was placed in the facility following treatment at a California hospital. Blum said she researched Youth Care Inc. extensively before sending her son there.

"This is double-edged sword for me," she said. "I am not a deadbeat mom."

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Caretakers at Draper youth care center charged with child abuse in death of 14-year-old

By Jason Bergreen
The Salt Lake Tribune Article
Last Updated: 10/11/2007 05:22:00 PM MDT

Two caretakers at a Draper assisted-living facility were charged Thursday with failing to provide medical aid to a 14-year-old resident who died under their supervision in June. Jorge Ramirez and Deborah Cole were both on duty at Youth Care Inc. on June 27 when 14-year-old Brendan Blum of Santa Barbara, Calif., died.

An autopsy concluded that Blum died from an inadequate blood supply to his small bowel, according to a criminal complaint filed in 3rd District Court. On the night of his death, Blum had a loss of bowel control, vomited and complained of stomach pain, but Ramirez and Cole did not provide or seek medical help for him, the complaint states.

Blum was found dead on the morning of June 28. A state medical examiner concluded that Blum's death could have been prevented if he had been given medical attention.

"Secure treatment facilities are responsible for providing appropriate medical treatment and care for the children entrusted to their supervision," Salt Lake County District Attorney Lohra Miller said in a news release. "In this case, it is alleged that a young boy's need for emergency medical treatment was ignored and that this negligence resulted in the boy's death." Miller also said that state law requires that treatment facilities and their employees be held to a "heightened standard of care."

Blum was at the facility because he had Asperger's Syndrome, a disorder related to autism.

Cole and Ramirez are each charged with one third-degree felony count of abuse or neglect of a child. The crime is punishable by up to five years in jail.

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