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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Whooter on October 15, 2010, 06:39:17 PM
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I have posted close to 10,000 posts here on fornits and there are a few that I am not proud of, I do admit that, but there are not many compared to the number I posted. I had them all exposed for everyone to see willingly and knowing my past would be exposed for all to see. I have a few posters who don’t like what I have posted and subsequently cut and paste sound bites of these posts in an effort to place them in the worst light possible. I have ignored this for the most part but after giving it some thought I really don’t feel I have anything to hide. I stand behind all my postings and I am sure there was a good reason behind everything that I posted.
Do I wish I had reworded some of them? Yes, but I am the same person today as when I wrote those posts just maybe a little older and wiser I hope.
There are a lot of posts flying around and a lot of posters like Shadyacres, Anne Bonney, Watchful Yeoman, Son of Serbia, Shaggys, Samara etc. who express concern with my postings in other threads and I don’t want to address the questions there in that thread resulting in a derailed thread.
If people are interested in why I wrote the posts that I did then this is the thread to ask me. Don’t bring it up in the middle of other peoples posts or conversations. If there is a specific post that upsets you or you are wondering why I posted it then post it here and I will respond to it the best I can.
I will review each post and determine why I posted it and respond back here in this thread. I think this will help to clear up many questions about me and help keep the main forum free from these conversations.
Your question on a post must include a link to the original post so that I can review it.
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:agree: ...thereby creating a diversion in order to attempt to preempt them from interrupting more spin troll blatant lies and his continuing reductive minimizations accompanying his ongoing relentless attempts at obfuscation.
However, whooter’s lies will always be relevant when his lies are raised to counter the point that he indeed does not have an interest in balanced discussion, but has in fact admitted to having a fiduciary interest in a program and been caught out at creating a false success story family in order to influence discussion.
I do understand that most people, like yourself, are not interested in understanding my side of the story. A simple clip (or sound bite) from my past is good enough for you to judge someone else. I dont expect this thread to be taken seriously, inculated, but I intend to answer anyones questions if there are people interested in knowing why I posted what I did.
I think it will help to alleviate trolling by some people in the main threads who have a need to bring up my past posts during a serious conversation. this thread will allow people to ask why I did what I did.
If it goes un-posted then that tells a story also. But at least I tried to put it out there for people who are interested.
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Sound bites as you call them or quotes as they are otherwise known as don’t say as much as you do. No whooter, your post content as written says a lot.
Well, since you feel it hasn't been heard, what is your side of the story?
I am sorry, I guess this thread wasnt clear. I have had my posts strung together and there are posts from my past that people are upset about. I dont want to have the discussion out in the main forum and derail threads out there responding to peoples questions about why I posted what I did. so I created this for people to air their questions on those posts.
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THIS THREAD is going to be one of those great ones. I can tell.
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:agree: ...thereby creating a diversion in order to attempt to preempt them from interrupting more spin troll blatant lies and his continuing reductive minimizations accompanying his ongoing relentless attempts at obfuscation.
However, whooter’s lies will always be relevant when his lies are raised to counter the point that he indeed does not have an interest in balanced discussion, but has in fact admitted to having a fiduciary interest in a program and been caught out at creating a false success story family in order to influence discussion.
I do understand that most people, like yourself, are not interested in understanding my side of the story. A simple clip (or sound bite) from my past is good enough for you to judge someone else. I intend to answer anyone's questions if there are people interested in knowing why I posted what I did.
I think it will help to alleviate trolling by some people in the main threads who have a need to bring up my past posts during a serious conversation. this thread will allow people to ask why I did what I did.
If it goes un-posted then that tells a story also. But at least I tried to put it out there for people who are interested.
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THIS THREAD is going to be one of those great ones. I can tell.
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You Will All Beleive And Understand My Manifesto
by DannyB ll »
My Manifesto
My name is Daniel Bennison, I was in Elan from 6/75 till 1/77 as a resident and a employee from 1/77 till 11/78.
I bring this up because of past and recent events and interactions with other residents. Guys this will be the last post I do to defend really (the indefensible) the abuse committed while I was affiliated with Elan. Whooter has informed me that he is writing a book and that I am in it on Chap. 5 because of abuses on committed at Elan while as a employee. This was my response to him after being told this,"I want you to quote this in your book. I did not say I did not abuse kids because I did as a resident and a employee. As a resident I fought in the ring for the house, screamed at folks during GM's, during a haircut, encounter groups and screamed at folks shot down while walking the house.As a employee I committed all of the abuse I mentioned above plus directed residents to verbally assault and demean residents. Did I physically abuse people, ? Yes. Now does this make me a better person then the next employee,? Yes it really does. All I am doing here is stating a fact."John has also taken the liberties of threatening me with exposer concerning accusations of abuse and that I had committed while staff, with 5 or more witnesses to these incidents.I don't think that you folks really want a all out war of words on this site but on the other hand I can see where it is constructive to have a resident call out a staff member of Elan who posts here, on supposed abuses. I don't mind that a book is being written about Elan and the abuses Staff committed. Just remember though I will not apologize to anyone for any abuses I did commit.There was enough bullshit that happened from 75-78 for me to have given a lifetime of nightmares to others, without anyone making me do something I truly don't mean. John says I was Staff/Ass.Director (E-7). I was staff/Ass.Director E-7 from 2/78 till 8/78, I transferred to a different position/different house till 11/78. I am curious as to how John knows I arrived at E-7 in 1978. Anyway I post here and I am open to conversation, you would think that John would use my information to his advantage, for he is also an abuser of others. there are also other staff and Ass. directors who have information that would help in exposing Elan, John and Felice are both frauds, As far as the dragging incident I am not nor will I be ashamed at programs and the courses it takes, I know that the once Fat Girl thanks me now. I will help any of you lose wight like here just call me,Now first off Felice is very well prepared for this sort of thing because she has been haunting this sites for over 10 years. The only thing one has to do is ask Felice about her family sibling, parents and children and you can see the abuse. Far after she left Elan and still present today. I will not get into specifics right now only to say her garbage is still going on. This is of her own making though she will blame everyone else a common trait of Art and herself. Then pick on other residents if their still not satisfied. Felice you are still very sick, you hang out with Art and you harass people. A nother side of Felice is her brilliance with Art, she is masterful, she also has great ability with filming herself in the wild, and last her passion is trolling survivor sites, Felice stay with your strengths and stop with the dirt business it is unbecoming of you, Felice is a much more horrible woman then any of us would dream of,That's right Felice and your still an idiot and maybe if you had not posted your crap, I would let you satisfy me and get me into the mood lady friend, you and I would be alright, but no you had to stoop to a disgusting level. So you keep posting away to prove your point. As far as I'm concerned you have no class what so ever. You call yourself a woman, please. Run to Art.
And "Anne" I list you with them, your someone who know nothing about programs and Elan.
As far as the car dragging incident, I did plenty of shit in the program that I don't regret now. Hell yes! You may already know this but Straight took the mutual- abuse thing to another level. A good portion of each day was spent abusing each other in group in one form or another. Virtually everyone there did shit to somebody else that they don't regret it now. I understand how people got caught up in that shit at Elan but I don't understand the why the car incident is such a big deal. You really don't upset me about it at all. I mean, I feel no guilty about poking people in the back, helping restrain people and confronting people. When I had dragged that girl behind a car, I held my head with pride and I would do everything I could keep helping people in programs. I would oppose programs that don't have some kind of abuses as part of the atonement for those sins of the residents, towards their family's and friends. I did't care then and I don't care now,it's the past, and I did what I had to do, and would gladly do it ,.
If It Wasn't For Programs, I Would Be Dead .
Danny Has Spoken And Shared The Love.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it. I live for it.
I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing. But I know more than All.
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.I have my own space.
Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive. We all need programs of some kind..
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The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me:
So what if I am a parent, does that make me bad? I come to fornits for good reasons. When a kid posts their story of what they claim happened in a program, someone needs to play devils advocate and question their story. I do this through direct confrontation, or humor. If a kid says they were sexually abused, I might make a joke about it. I know for a fact sexual abuse doesn't happen in programs, so I don't see the issue with making it into a humurous situation.
If some kid decides to list the abuses directed against them, I might copy the list then point out which individual actions of abuse amuse me the most, and which one's are my favorites. You have to remember, abuse doesn't happen in programs. When some of you claim that it does, I know you are lying and I know pointing it out will make you upset. Then I can point out how venemous you are, and go to bed feeling like I made a difference in the world for good.
This is the link to the original post that I commented on:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=329779#p329779)
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Nice try John, but you were NeilW. You deleted the account later on in an attempt to cover your tracks. If you like to try and spin the issue maybe you can try and explain why you signed your post NeilW?
Quick go and try and edit it before too many other people see it.
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Nice try John, but you were NeilW. You deleted the account later on in an attempt to cover your tracks. If you like to try and spin the issue maybe you can try and explain why you signed your post NeilW?
Quick go and try and edit it before too many other people see it.
If I had written the post it would have shown up under my username "TheWho" when my posts were linked together. You can verify with Psy if you like. But that wasnt my post.
Thanks for considering the other posters and continuing the discussion over here, Bruce.
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Bruce, I will respond to your posts if you direct them to Whooter/Who and if they are on topic. I only have one user-name.
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Bruce, I will respond to your posts if you direct them to Whooter/Who and if they are on topic. I only have one user-name.
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Really? Do you need the list reposted of all the multiple usernames you have operated under?
I'll see what I can find. In the meantime explain why you signed your post under the name NeilW.
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Nice try John, but you were NeilW. You deleted the account later on in an attempt to cover your tracks. If you like to try and spin the issue maybe you can try and explain why you signed your post NeilW?
Quick go and try and edit it before too many other people see it.
If I had written the post it would have shown up under my username "TheWho" when my posts were linked together. You can verify with Psy if you like. But that wasnt my post.
Thanks for considering the other posters and continuing the discussion over here, Bruce.
One more example of proof that Whooter is a liar with an agenda. He claims to stand behind his posts, yet he lies about them until forced to do otherwise.
Re: blog of a program parent
by TheWho » Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:35 am
I have read thru as much as I could from where I left off. The issue of “due process of law” does not apply to these programs because they are not technically being committed (at least to the programs that I have checked into). I spoke to admissions at Cross Creek and they like to have a 72 hour evaluation done on the child before being admitted and they can provide places in the area where this can be done or you can choose your own. So at least for the state of Utah the kids can transition into a program after they have been evaluated and attain a signature from their legal guardian(s) to oversee their child. There may be places which are required to go thru a commitment process and get a court order from a judge, but I have not seen these yet. This is where the due process would come in that a few were asking about.
As far as posting private emails on the internet there is no law which covers this that I could find, but it is surely a breach of trust. As for the children in the program, what I found was as long as the letter was not sealed and addressed then the child or family cannot take any action against the school for disseminating the information or making it public. In a private setting, which does not have an inhouse post office, an envelope which has been sealed and addressed can take on a similar legal status as being posted, but this would take some argument and would depend on the contents of the letter.
So based on this finding Femanons exposure and the programs exposure are both on the same level of breach of trust.
I see Katie has come back to post more of her story. I was worried that maybe she got scared off.
NeilW
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=27188&p=330481&hilit=NeilW#p330481
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In the meantime explain why you signed your post under the name NeilW.
Long story short. I had started that thread and moved "Katies story" over there because her thread was getting trashed because of the attacks on me. These attacks were taking the focus off of Katie and her story. So I posted under "NeilW" so that I could continue posting without having the thread derailed because I was there and people attacking me. Then someone wrote something terrible (the post you quoted) under the "NeilW" name and I responded saying the name was hijacked.
Thats the post you captured.
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So then why lie about it now? Why claim to only have one username when obivously everyone knows you've had dozens.
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So then why lie about it now? Why claim to only have one username when obivously everyone knows you've had dozens.
You misunderstood. Since the change over and the new rules I am using one user name "Whooter". If you want to address me by John or other names I will not respond. Try using "Whooter" or "Who" if you want me to respond to you. Just like I use Bruce or RB to address you.
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I understand you got caught in a lie and are trying to back peddal, it's fine.
My question to you though stands. Why did you feel the need to post under so many usernames? Even more so why did you attempt to criticize others for doing the same thing? Especially in instances where you had no evidence to support your claim, and were inevitably wrong.
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I understand you got caught in a lie and are trying to back peddal, it's fine.
This thread is designed to explain why I posted what I did. If you want to be sincere in understanding why I posted what I did I am willing to discuss my thoughts with you and others. If you do not understand my answer then please ask for more clarity, but lets not be rude. If you feel you cannot believe my explanations then don't bother to ask me to explain to begin with. I think this would waste both of our times.
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This thread is designed to explain why I posted what I did. If you want to be sincere in understanding why I posted what I did I am willing to discuss my thoughts with you and others. If you do not understand my answer then please ask for more clarity, but lets not be rude. If you feel you cannot believe my explanations then don't bother to ask me to explain to begin with. I think this would waste both of our times.
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Yet you still ignore the question put to you.
My question to you though stands. Why did you feel the need to post under so many usernames? Even more so why did you attempt to criticize others for doing the same thing? Especially in instances where you had no evidence to support your claim, and were inevitably wrong.
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My question to you though stands. Why did you feel the need to post under so many usernames? Even more so why did you attempt to criticize others for doing the same thing? Especially in instances where you had no evidence to support your claim, and were inevitably wrong.[/b]
My usernames, in which I had an account for was very short:
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Then the political names... Al Gore, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney etal
Total posts would be under 50 for all the registered posts. Most of them were the political posts which were known to be humorous.
As many know when guest posting you could leave it blank and it would show up as "Guest" or you could throw in "Bill nyack" or "xyuuheryt" and it would show up as a one time post. These were viewed as posts which did not have registered accounts. Many people did this, not just myself, as I have demonstrated with DJ postings.
There were many reasons why I did this. Sometimes in response to others who were trolling the thread. Other times to post so that I could make my point without being attacked, etc.
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My question to you though stands. Why did you feel the need to post under so many usernames? Even more so why did you attempt to criticize others for doing the same thing? Especially in instances where you had no evidence to support your claim, and were inevitably wrong.[/b]
My usernames, in which I had an account for was very short:
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Then the political names... Al Gore, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney etal
Total posts would be under 50 for all the registered posts. Most of them were the political posts which were known to be humorous.
As many know when guest posting you could leave it blank and it would show up as "Guest" or you could throw in "Bill nyack" or "xyuuheryt" and it would show up as a one time post. These were viewed as posts which did not have registered accounts. Many people did this, not just myself, as I have demonstrated with DJ postings.
There were many reasons why I did this. Sometimes in response to others who were trolling the thread. Other times to post so that I could make my point without being attacked, etc.
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Let me preface my comments with stating, I know you're lying. You've had many, many more usernames and are attempting to water down your actions now because you fear accountability.
That being said, let's focus on what you are being honest about. Explain why you made alternate user names. Why did you attempt to impersonate me?
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Let me preface my comments with stating, I know you're lying.
Well thats not good enough. I stated that I will explain the best I can what my actions were. If you know I am lying then put some names up that you believe I have registered under. They would be easy enough to check. We can all just call each other liars, but lets start looking at some of the evidence that convinces you that I had many more registered names.
I believe I had 4 or 5 names plus the political ones. Maybe 25 posts total. Maybe I am forgetting some of them. It is possible, I have posted close to 10,000 posts. Do you have one you want to check? I am willing to look at the data base with you and ask psy for clarity if you like.
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I have posted close to 10,000 posts here on fornits
FALSE. You have posted well over 10,000 posts.
I only have one user-name.
FALSE. You have about a dozen user accounts and over 50 aliases.
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Total posts would be under 50.
FALSE, but you stepped in it again anyway by "admitting" something different right here in your "I am a liar" thread. One or both have to be untrue.
I believe I had 4 or 5 names plus the political ones. Maybe 25 posts total.
Can't keep your story straight even for one thread.
The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me
Really??
I posted under "NeilW"
Whoops. Robert got you again.
Seriously, folks, this liar has gotten caught in a half dozen lies in the "Let me explain why I lied so much" thread.[/i]
Look, at this point, after 5 years of continuous lying about everything, nobody cares WHY Whooter lied. The facts are that he has fabricated his entire story here and presented Fornits with some 50 aliases all telling different stories. WHY he did this, nobody cares. The fact that he did this and used all of his aliases to attack other posters, derail threads, etc is all we need to know.
Unfortunately, there's no way to clean up the shitpile of lies Whooter has created. The bottom line is that Whooter is a profligate prevaricator and nothing he says can be believed. Just look at this thread he started to explain all of his lies, yet it also is rife with more lies.
Now that Fornits has new rules that were implemented to control Whooter's behavior he can't operate the way he wants to and realizes the only way for him to continue here is to normalize himself and become part of the "Fornits community." I'm sorry to say this will not happen. It's far too late to undo his legacy and coming forward with even more lies to try to explain away his previous lies is just more of the same.
This thread is officially decalred an "Epic Failure."
I fabricated a son
Need we go any further with this charade?
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Watchful Yeoman/ Dysfunction Junction, for the most part you matched me post for post and accumulated many more user-names than I did. I sense a self loathing in your previous post because the ire you are projecting are on the same events that you yourself did also. I have dozens of posts where you posed as various people, children, girls, woman, parents, survivors and then many which were too disgusting to repeat initially because I didnt want to embarrass you further.
If you are sincere about your thoughts that I am not being truthful in my above posts then put up some examples and we can look at them. I responded to the NeilW posts above and provided a link showing that I did not write the specific post in question.
I generally feel that if you are being truthful about being upset over people having multiple names then you would not have done it yourself.
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I have posted close to 10,000 posts here on fornits
FALSE. You have posted well over 10,000 posts.
I only have one user-name.
FALSE. You have about a dozen user accounts and over 50 aliases.
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Total posts would be under 50.
FALSE, but you stepped in it again anyway by "admitting" something different right here in your "I am a liar" thread. One or both have to be untrue.
I believe I had 4 or 5 names plus the political ones. Maybe 25 posts total.
Can't keep your story straight even for one thread.
The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me
Really??
I posted under "NeilW"
Whoops. Robert got you again.
Seriously, folks, this liar has gotten caught in a half dozen lies in the "Let me explain why I lied so much" thread.[/i]
Look, at this point, after 5 years of continuous lying about everything, nobody cares WHY Whooter lied. The facts are that he has fabricated his entire story here and presented Fornits with some 50 aliases all telling different stories. WHY he did this, nobody cares. The fact that he did this and used all of his aliases to attack other posters, derail threads, etc is all we need to know.
Unfortunately, there's no way to clean up the shitpile of lies Whooter has created. The bottom line is that Whooter is a profligate prevaricator and nothing he says can be believed. Just look at this thread he started to explain all of his lies, yet it also is rife with more lies.
Now that Fornits has new rules that were implemented to control Whooter's behavior he can't operate the way he wants to and realizes the only way for him to continue here is to normalize himself and become part of the "Fornits community." I'm sorry to say this will not happen. It's far too late to undo his legacy and coming forward with even more lies to try to explain away his previous lies is just more of the same.
This thread is officially declared an "Epic Failure."
I fabricated a son
Need we go any further with this charade?
Re-read the above. It's too late for Whooter to recover from the self-inflicted damage. Whooter wouldn't need this thread to explain his phoniness if he weren't so goddamn phony. It's really that simple. This thread exists because Whooter can no longer dodge his reputation. If he could he would have never posted this. It is, by itself, a confession to his phoniness. The rest is academic at this point. Nobody cares.
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The question remains unanswered Whooter.
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The question remains unanswered Whooter.
Maybe you missed the post. You had indicated that you thought I had many more usernames than I stated I had and you indicated that this was a lie. I just wanted to clear this up. If you feel that is a lie lets clear it up. Now is as good a time as any.
I think it is 2 or 3 posts back. I did respond to you.
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I would adopt a name make a post or two (to even the scales) and then stop...Although I did guest post for while there and answer my own posts to keep the rhetoric going.
I'm shocked I tell ya! It's called "sockpuppetry" and you're a virtual Gepetto. Funny now that I think of it. You're both Gepetto and Pinocchio. Multitasker.
I fabricated a son
Yes, we know. You fabricated a lot more than that, too.
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The question remains unanswered Whooter.
Maybe you missed the post. You had indicated that you thought I had many more usernames than I stated I had and you indicated that this was a lie. I just wanted to clear this up. If you feel that is a lie lets clear it up. Now is as good a time as any.
I think it is 2 or 3 posts back. I did respond to you.
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No, you only responded to the first half. You missed the second question.
That being said, let's focus on what you are being honest about. Explain why you made alternate user names. Why did you attempt to impersonate me?
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That being said, let's focus on what you are being honest about. Explain why you made alternate user names. Why did you attempt to impersonate me?
There are many reasons I used alternate user names. I would have to look at the specific post.
As far as impersonating you. There was a person who had logged in as "TheWho." and was impersonating me. I thought it was you so I did the same thing. I believe it was "RobertBruce ." When psy strung my posts together the 2nd time it showed I had only made one or 2 posts under that name. It wasnt used for more than a few minutes if I remember correctly.
As far as my account of usernames and accounts. You made the comment that I was lying without indicating why. Do you know of any usernames that I have missed? You said there were many many more but you never provided an example.
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You are free to look at Dj's list for all of the additional names. In the meantime you can claim that you only posted under a RobertBruce name once or twice, however you once flooded the board with your own posts in an attempt to link your own post to me. Why is that?
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You are free to look at Dj's list for all of the additional names.
They dont include any links to where they occurred. How could I respond to them? I recognize a few of them but looking at the list my estimate holds that I told you earlier. Why do you consider this a lie?
My usernames (beisdes thewho and whooter, in which I had an account for was very short:
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Then the political names... Al Gore, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney etal
Total posts would be under 50 for all the registered posts. Most of them were the political posts which were known to be humorous. Can we consider this settled?
Can we settle on this or do you want to pursue it further?
In the meantime you can claim that you only posted under a RobertBruce name once or twice,
Results when my posts were linked together the 2nd time 2007 (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=278562#p278562)
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I dont believe I used the RobertBruce name after that. So I revise it to say I only posted once under your name. Can we consider this settled?
however you once flooded the board with your own posts in an attempt to link your own post to me. Why is that?
I dont recall that specifically. I would need to review the posts.
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Yes you do. This is what got you banned the first time. Whooter before we go any further I'm going to say that the only way we're going to have a civil conversation is if you start being honest about your actions. Don't play your usual games and attempt to spin or place blame for your actions on others/claim the ends justify the means.
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=21771&p=263800&hilit=RobertBruce#p263800
Report this postReply with quotePunk Of The Month -The Who
by TheWho » Thu May 17, 2007 7:51 pm
"CCM girl 1989" wrote:
The Who is a bit of a pain in the rump, but he's pretty witty! LOL. I don't doubt that kid being thrown in the ocean during a typhoon. I saw some strange things happen while I was incarcerated. It could've been at the start of the storm, who are you Who to say it never happened?
You've made some good points along the way Who. Even making a pretty good arguement for yourself, and the existance of these kiddie prisons, and behaivor modification schools. Perhaps these kids need some tough love to snap them out of there reckless behaivor, right?!! Well, now I am starting to see that maybe you are just like the people who run these programs that convience everyone that all these kids are just liars, and manipulators.
Do you realize that was told to me Who? When I threatened to expose them. "Nobody is going to believe you because they all know that you are a liar, and a manipulator." Do you know how many times I hear kids from WWASPS programs say that the same thing was told to them, and their parents.
Just think about that for a second Who. I am telling you for a fact what my experience was. If you've been here for a couple years then you know my story, and I don't have to repeat it. Are you going to call me a liar?!! Just curious?
Hey, CCM Girl….how have you been? No, I have read your story and I don’t doubt your story or anyone else’s for a minute. There was an event that struck RobertBruce as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.Last edited by TheWho on Thu May 31, 2007 4:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
Look at the original post. You changed you edited your post and subbed my name for yours. You then flooded the board repeatedly. The question is then why did you decide to do that?
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Whoops. Sorry about that. Here's the link:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10
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RB, you are jumping all over the place and going too fast for me.
I responded that a few of the names on DJ's list looked familiar but not all of them. I would like to settle on the list of user names (or approximate list) that I posted.
Can we settle on this? Do you accept this? are there other names that you know of that should be added?
I also showed an account from psy when he posted my usernames and guest posts and it shows I posted under your name just once. I dont recall posting again under that user name. Can we settle on this before we move to another topic?
If you feel I am not being truthful about these items I would like to resolve it before we move to other topics and your other posts.
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And speaking of "credibility" here is a list compiled by "Troll Control" of Whooter's aliases he has used to post on Fornits.
Troll Control wrote:
Whooter’s aliases:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz
Heal Online
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
To me, and probably all of the other readers here, it looks like Whooter has been by far the most dishonest poster. It appears all he has left is to try to attack others because his behavior here is very, very shady to say the least. Readers should know this context and these proven facts before rendering their judgment on Whooter's excuses for all of his dishonesty.
More on Whooter's dishonesty and aliases here and here.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31426&p=383499&hilit=RobertBruces.#p383499
There you go. Now the question remains. Why did you attempt to attribute your posts to me?
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And speaking of "credibility" here is a list compiled by "Troll Control" of Whooter's aliases he has used to post on Fornits.
Troll Control wrote:
Whooter’s aliases:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz
Heal Online
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
To me, and probably all of the other readers here, it looks like Whooter has been by far the most dishonest poster. It appears all he has left is to try to attack others because his behavior here is very, very shady to say the least. Readers should know this context and these proven facts before rendering their judgment on Whooter's excuses for all of his dishonesty.
More on Whooter's dishonesty and aliases here and here.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31426&p=383499&hilit=RobertBruces.#p383499
There you go. Now the question remains. Why did you attempt to attribute your posts to me?
The above list does not contain any links, RB. There are several Robertbruces that are not mine and many I do not recognize. The political names I had as registered names and RobertBruce, MarkDeGroot. The others were not registered to me. I may have used some of them like "NeilW" as a write in guest post, but I would have to see the links to know for sure.
Can we agree as a minimum that my registered names are those that I stated and used some of the names on DJ's list as write in Guest names?
Also you are settled with psy's tally that I only posted under the RobertBruce username once? I dont recall ever using the log in since then.
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No I'm not because one, I haven't seen the original post, and two I already know for a fact that you attempted to attribute your posts to me. In doing so even if you did only post under a psedoname once, you still attempted to post under my name several times.
I'll tell you what we can agree on; Not so long ago you claimed multiple guest posters were actually me. You chided me and claimed I was "attacking you from the shadows" and had multiple usernames, and posted anonymously. You had no evidence to back up your claim, and no real information that would lend creedence to your theory. Despite that fact you ran with it. Accused anyone and everyone who guest posted and disagreed with you of being me. I told you repeatedly I had only guest posted maybe 4 or 5 times in my time on fornits, and none of them been directed towards you. I also told you I had no other usernames. You refused to believe me and claimed if I were telling the truth I would ask Psy to link my guest posts, something I had already done multiple times. Eventually Ginger had to join in the discussion and shut you down. She informed you had gone to great lengths to get her to link up those 5 guest posts, and that I had gone above and beyond your own standards in an effort to prove you wrong. Something you claimed I would never do since you felt I was hiding something. I proved you wrong.
Again you had no evidence and no real information on which to base your claims. Until I see something solid otherwise, I'm going to agree with DJ's list.
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No I'm not because one, I haven't seen the original post, and two I already know for a fact that you attempted to attribute your posts to me. In doing so even if you did only post under a psedoname once, you still attempted to post under my name several times.
I'll tell you what we can agree on; Not so long ago you claimed multiple guest posters were actually me. You chided me and claimed I was "attacking you from the shadows" and had multiple usernames, and posted anonymously. You had no evidence to back up your claim, and no real information that would lend creedence to your theory. Despite that fact you ran with it. Accused anyone and everyone who guest posted and disagreed with you of being me. I told you repeatedly I had only guest posted maybe 4 or 5 times in my time on fornits, and none of them been directed towards you. I also told you I had no other usernames. You refused to believe me and claimed if I were telling the truth I would ask Psy to link my guest posts, something I had already done multiple times. Eventually Ginger had to join in the discussion and shut you down. She informed you had gone to great lengths to get her to link up those 5 guest posts, and that I had gone above and beyond your own standards in an effort to prove you wrong. Something you claimed I would never do since you felt I was hiding something. I proved you wrong.
Again you had no evidence and no real information on which to base your claims. Until I see something solid otherwise, I'm going to agree with DJ's list.
I think it would be good to stop here then. I cannot agree to user names that were not mine. If you cannot trust my answers then there is no sense in asking me any more questions. I think we can both agree on that.
You did behave very civil in our back and forth and I thank you for that, RB.
Maybe we can pick it up again at another time if/when the list of names are ever linked up with the posts they relate to.
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I think it would be good to stop here then. I cannot agree to user names that were not mine. If you cannot trust my answers then there is no sense in asking me any more questions. I think we can both agree on that.
You did behave very civil in our back and forth and I thank you for that, RB.
Maybe we can pick it up again at another time if/when the list of names are ever linked up with the posts they relate to.
I see no reason that we have to agree on everything or convince each other of something in order to have the conversation. My feeling is that because I know you did attempt to attribute your own postings to me, I find it highly unlikely that you limited yourself later on with the same routine. I'm sure you can understand that.
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Lets look at the first few names
RobertBruces
There is no record of anyone posting as this person in the database. There is a record of me stating “RobertBruces” wrote: But no record of this alias.
Fred Bicep
There is no record in the database of this person.
Peg Sympson
This was DJ’s alias. When I caught on to his game I posted a few posts under the name myself to even the scales. Here is DJ stating he is Peg Sympson.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350083)
DJ wrote: And, by the way, my name is spelled "Pegg" with two "g's" so please stop trying to hijack my identity
Ursas
This was not my alias. First I would never write anything like that and second it isn’t tied to my posts.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=353302#p353302)
Try checking yourself in the search engine to see what you come up with. But there just isn’t any evidence that these people exist or if they are mine. I could continue to go through the list but I think I have proven my point
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As I told you before, those names don't show up in a search. Linked-post "guest names" aren't searchable. But I did go thru Whooter's posts and he did use all of those aliases. Each one is available to view, but you have to scroll thru his posts and it's tedious.
The bottom line is that this troll has been busted out and his history is so extensive and so sordid he now has to start threads to explain to readers why he lied so much and impersonated so many people. This indicates he is afraid his "image" is too far gone to sustain and now he has to do damage control for programs and also for his own "image" here on Fornits. It's too late though. He's been caught in hundreds of lies, banned twice for abusing board policy, forbidden (under threat of banning) from PMing me due to his past harassment, impersonated everyone from kids to staff and has just generally been shown to be a liar at every turn.
Anybody caught "fabricating" a family should just be ignored because they're worthless.
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As I told you before, those names don't show up in a search. Linked-post "guest names" aren't searchable. But I did go thru Whooter's posts and he did use all of those aliases. Each one is available to view, but you have to scroll thru his posts and it's tedious.
The bottom line is that this troll has been busted out and his history is so extensive and so sordid he now has to start threads to explain to readers why he lied so much and impersonated so many people. This indicates he is afraid his "image" is too far gone to sustain and now he has to do damage control for programs and also for his own "image" here on Fornits. It's too late though. He's been caught in hundreds of lies, banned twice for abusing board policy, forbidden (under threat of banning) from PMing me due to his past harassment, impersonated everyone from kids to staff and has just generally been shown to be a liar at every turn.
Anybody caught "fabricating" a family should just be ignored because they're worthless.
Sorry, DJ, I just proved you wrong. Look at the previous post. The search works just fine. I found one of your own aliases on my list! lol
Some of those were probably mine. But not all of those.
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No it doesn't and no you didn't. You were posting as "Peg Sympson" before that post where I halted your use of the name.
Here you were posting as "Peg Sympson" (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&start=495#p350033) long before my post you linked to. you quoted yourself a few posts down, too, as "Peg." And a few posts up from my link I found you posting as "hsbr" a new one to add to your list of phony aliases. You're a liar, bro.
Now carry on with your "Why Whooter is such a twisted and phony asshole that he has to make threads explaining his own lies" thread. Enjoy, you deserve it.
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No it doesn't and no you didn't. You were posting as "Peg Sympson" before that post where I halted your use of the name.
Now carry on with your "Why Whooter is such a twisted and phony asshole that he has to make threads explaining his own lies" thread. Enjoy, you deserve it.
You mean this one?
Peg Sympson
This was DJ’s alias. When I caught on to his game I posted a few posts under the name myself to even the scales. Here is DJ stating he is Peg Sympson.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350083)
DJ wrote: And, by the way, my name is spelled "Pegg" with two "g's" so please stop trying to hijack my identity
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No it doesn't and no you didn't. You were posting as "Peg Sympson" before that post where I halted your use of the name.
Here you were posting as "Peg Sympson" (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&start=495#p350033) long before my post you linked to. you quoted yourself a few posts down, too, as "Peg." And a few posts up from my link I found you posting as "hsbr" a new one to add to your list of phony aliases. You're a liar, bro.
Now carry on with your "Why Whooter is such a twisted and phony asshole that he has to make threads explaining his own lies" thread. Enjoy, you deserve it.
Caught lying again in your "Whooter is a liar thread." Classic.
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Whooter whether you posted under 10 names or 1000 names, it really doesn't matter to me (although I found a post of yours where you claimed to never post under aliases), my question to you is why? What benefit do you feel it added? What was your motivation in trying to attribute your posts to me?
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Whooter whether you posted under 10 names or 1000 names, it really doesn't matter to me (although I found a post of yours where you claimed to never post under aliases), my question to you is why? What benefit do you feel it added? What was your motivation in trying to attribute your posts to me?
Based on the searches can you at least see why I questioned the list? If they were all credible a link would have been captured at the time. I have shown the list to be inaccurate in just looking at a few of them.
I would have to look at the specific post to determine the reason why. But for the most part I guest posted to add balance where I saw a one sided argument or an injustice occurring. The posts I attributed to you I would have to review the post to know why.
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Here it is again:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10
Report this postReply with quotePunk Of The Month -The Who
by TheWho » Thu May 17, 2007 7:51 pm
"CCM girl 1989" wrote:
The Who is a bit of a pain in the rump, but he's pretty witty! LOL. I don't doubt that kid being thrown in the ocean during a typhoon. I saw some strange things happen while I was incarcerated. It could've been at the start of the storm, who are you Who to say it never happened?
You've made some good points along the way Who. Even making a pretty good arguement for yourself, and the existance of these kiddie prisons, and behaivor modification schools. Perhaps these kids need some tough love to snap them out of there reckless behaivor, right?!! Well, now I am starting to see that maybe you are just like the people who run these programs that convience everyone that all these kids are just liars, and manipulators.
Do you realize that was told to me Who? When I threatened to expose them. "Nobody is going to believe you because they all know that you are a liar, and a manipulator." Do you know how many times I hear kids from WWASPS programs say that the same thing was told to them, and their parents.
Just think about that for a second Who. I am telling you for a fact what my experience was. If you've been here for a couple years then you know my story, and I don't have to repeat it. Are you going to call me a liar?!! Just curious?
Hey, CCM Girl….how have you been? No, I have read your story and I don’t doubt your story or anyone else’s for a minute. There was an event that struck RobertBruce as kind of absurd and a little funny, at the time, that’s all.Last edited by TheWho on Thu May 31, 2007 4:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Anybody caught "fabricating" a family should just be ignored because they're worthless.
I never fabricated a whole family before but it seems someone did. You voiced a displeasure as depicted in the post below when someone try to hijack your identity (Mrs. Sympson and family).
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350083)
I think we have established that many people had various usernames before the new rules took affect. I think the reason people focus in on my particular posts is because I take a moderate view of the industry. I dont see the same amount of negative posts towards the anti-program people who did the same thing, which leads me to believe that this behavior is widely accepted within the anti-program group.
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Bruce before we move on I just wanted to settle on my user names. I am differentiating between those names in-which I had an account for as "registered names" and the other names which were given in place of guest, mostly random names. The list that DJ put out contain some of the names which I used when posting as a guest.
My Registered names (including TheWho and Whooter), in which I had an account for was very short:
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Then the political names... Al Gore, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney etal
Total posts would be under 50 for all the registered posts. Most of them were the political posts which were known to be humorous.
I know you mentioned it didnt matter to you if it were 10 or 1,000 but I wanted to lay out the facts before we move on so that we dont need to revisit the point. Does this work for you? Do you have any registered names which you think I may have used? I checked DJ list and did not see any others which I registered. So we will stay with the political names and RobertBruce., Mark DeGroot and possibly up to 2 others with a total of about 50 posts?
This is what I recall, can you accept this? Do you see any changes?
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Bruce before we move on I just wanted to settle on my user names. I am differentiating between those names in-which I had an account for as "registered names" and the other names which were given in place of guest, mostly random names. The list that DJ put out contain some of the names which I used when posting as a guest.
My Registered names (including TheWho and Whooter), in which I had an account for was very short:
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Then the political names... Al Gore, Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney etal
Total posts would be under 50 for all the registered posts. Most of them were the political posts which were known to be humorous.
I know you mentioned it didnt matter to you if it were 10 or 1,000 but I wanted to lay out the facts before we move on so that we dont need to revisit the point. Does this work for you? Do you have any registered names which you think I may have used? I checked DJ list and did not see any others which I registered. So we will stay with the political names and RobertBruce., Mark DeGroot and possibly up to 2 others with a total of about 50 posts?
This is what I recall, can you accept this? Do you see any changes?
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I can accept that you played games and posted under various guises and usernames when posting as a guest. This behavior is not acceptable for either programmies or anti program posters. I will say you seem to be leading the pack in this behavior. I will also still ask why you not only chose to behave this way, but ask why you attempted to attribute your own post to me?
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I can accept that you played games and posted under various guises and usernames when posting as a guest. This behavior is not acceptable for either programmies or anti program posters. I will say you seem to be leading the pack in this behavior. I will also still ask why you not only chose to behave this way, but ask why you attempted to attribute your own post to me?
If a handful of usernames is leading the pack then this forum wasnt as bad as we think.
I mentioned before that I guest posted for various reasons. Mostly to even the scales. I was the only moderate in the group. As far as that specific post. I do not remember what the circumstances were. Maybe you were trolling me about being an industry person or giving some poor poster a hard time. I would have to go back and read the circumstances leading up to the post. Why is that post so important to you? I had hundreds of posts where DJ (and others) would change the wording or the name to make it seem like I had written them, pretending to be other people etc. to put me in a bad light. You probably received some of the fallout because you participated in trolling me.
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The person listening may feel they have to take it with a grain of salt.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Grain of salt? You invented your family. A grain of salt wouldn't be adequate for your lies.
I fabricated a son
Yes, you did. And this is just one of many reasons why nobody here believes you.
I think it is risky to combine exaggeration with facts because it is hard to differentiate where the exaggeration ends and the facts begins.
:soapbox: :soapbox:
But Whooter is willing to take that risk. And he does, daily. Program damage control is done precisely by his blurring the lines between facts and exaggeration and outright fabricating anything else he feels like he needs to nullify any personal stories of abuse on Fornits or to put his thumb on the scales of a debate (as he just admitted several in this thread). Getting an "honest win" has never been a concern for Whooter.
I fabricated a son
:suicide: :suicide:
This thread serves as a reminder to readers of Whooter's inability to tell the truth about anything and to show the depths to which he will descend in order to try to invalidate abuse victims.
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Troll Control, Why is it that the things you hate the most in people are those things you do yourself? You have posted as children, Survivors, abuse victims, various parents and various staff posts. Why is this anger directed outwards towards others?
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You fabricated some quotes you'd like to try to pin on me, but when they are searched, it turns out they were written by you. Stick to fabricating your family. You're not good at fabricating quotes so much.
Everything below is true about you. I understand you don't like it being pointed out and you will try desperately to get the focus off your lies, but here we are back to you again. Afterall, this thread is dedicated to your lies.
The person listening may feel they have to take it with a grain of salt.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Grain of salt? You invented your family. A grain of salt wouldn't be adequate for your lies.
I fabricated a son
Yes, you did. And this is just one of many reasons why nobody here believes you.
I think it is risky to combine exaggeration with facts because it is hard to differentiate where the exaggeration ends and the facts begins.
:soapbox: :soapbox:
But Whooter is willing to take that risk. And he does, daily. Program damage control is done precisely by his blurring the lines between facts and exaggeration and outright fabricating anything else he feels like he needs to nullify any personal stories of abuse on Fornits or to put his thumb on the scales of a debate (as he just admitted several in this thread). Getting an "honest win" has never been a concern for Whooter.
I fabricated a son
:suicide: :suicide:
This thread serves as a reminder to readers of Whooter's inability to tell the truth about anything and to show the depths to which he will descend in order to try to invalidate abuse victims.
Maybe we can talk when you're ready to get honest, but until then, I will just keep renminding readers of all you lied about.
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You fabricated some quotes you'd like to try to pin on me, but when they are searched, it turns out they were written by you. Stick to fabricating your family. You're not good at fabricating quotes so much.
This post (below) isnt fabricated, Troll Control. You admit that someone hijacked your identity while you were pretending to be this woman Pegg Sympson.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350083)
You have thousands of guest posts as do I. Just curious as to why you get upset at other people when they do it.
Everything below is true about you. I understand you don't like it being pointed out and you will try desperately to get the focus off your lies, but here we are back to you again. Afterall, this thread is dedicated to your lies.
I actually created this thread to put the spotlight on my past posts in case anyone had questions. It is a better place to have this discussion rather than muck up the other threads. I dont mind people pointing them out, I wrote them, I am not running away or changing my name. I am man enough to stand in the open and take responsibility.
Maybe we can talk when you're ready to get honest, but until then, I will just keep renminding readers of all you lied about.
That is fine, this thread will be here when you are ready.
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Previous post previously debunked. Whooter is clearly "Peg Sympson" and also even created a new alias to troll with in that thread, "hsbr". Add that to the list. What's that now? 51? :rofl:
No it doesn't and no you didn't. You were posting as "Peg Sympson" before that post where I halted your use of the name.
Here you were posting as "Peg Sympson" (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&start=495#p350033) long before my post you linked to. you quoted yourself a few posts down, too, as "Peg." And a few posts up from my link I found you posting as "hsbr" a new one to add to your list of phony aliases. You're a liar, bro.
Now carry on with your "Why Whooter is such a twisted and phony asshole that he has to make threads explaining his own lies" thread. Enjoy, you deserve it.
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Previous post previously debunked. Whooter is clearly "Peg Sympson" and also even created a new alias to troll with in that thread, "hsbr". Add that to the list. What's that now? 51?
But my point is that you were posting as Peg Sympson also as is evident by the link I provided. Why is it okay when you posted under many aliases but you seem to take objection to it when I did?
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No, your point was to try to make it look like I was doing that, but now you have been snagged, your link was shown to be bogus, a link to earlier posts of you posing as "Peg Sympson" and quoting yourself as "Peg Sympson" was provided and, as a side benefit, we discovered another one of your alises as well, "hsbr".
So that's the recap of the "Whooter is a liar" thread that Whooter will try to use to revive his shattered credibility but that he just keeps lying in and getting caught. By the time this thread is done we will have exposed a whole bunch more of Whooter's lies and aliases, plus he will likely have created a few more during the process. He is a prodigous fabricator.
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No, your point was to try to make it look like I was doing that.
I was just providing the link to your own words. I already stated that I posted previously and after. I am not denying any of that. But I also showed that you were posting as Peg Sympson also as is evident with this post:
And, by the way, my name is spelled "Pegg" with two "g's" so please stop trying to hijack my identity and put your words in my mouth, Whooter. For the record, it was Whooter posing as me in the past few posts and I did not say those things. It's just another example of how cowardly he is when he can't use his won name but tries to steal other people's identities. I support the idea that Whooter and DJ settle things in the ring, like men, to raise money for the kids, but I think Whooter is really genuinely afraid of it.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=350083#p350083)
Why do you get upset at people posting aliases when you did it yourself? I will stop asking the question is it upsets or you are not ready to address it right now. You can just continue to troll me if you like, but I am curious as to why the double standard?
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For context (it can be confusing with all of Whooter's sockpuppets) this is Whooter posting as "Peg Sympson" and then quoting himself and quoting himself again. This is what he calls "adding balance" and the rest of us call "lying" and "being phony."
First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly. But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart. He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument. He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument. I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills. He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.
Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated. He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates. He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name. So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.
A friend of my son was this way. He always wanted to settle an argument by hitting people and this carried over into his adult life. To this day he cannot handle it when he is proven wrong or when people disagree with him. Violence is just ingrained in some people. Like I said I dont think this Dysfunction Junction is a bad guy he just doesnt know what to do with his anger or how to properly direct it. It is good to see people like you on here who can keep their cool.
Whoops! Whooter has another son! This one must be the real one. Unless he fabricated two of them.
:eek: A second son now. Maybe it's true after all that Whooter had two sons and never had the daughter he claimed.
What a liar this guy is.
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Okay, Troll Control, I see you dont want your posts brought into this. Just thought I would point this out to see if you wanted to discuss it.
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We are discussing it and you're getting the shit end of it, and badly.
What we found was that you were posting as "Peg Sympson" (you have also posted as "Jammie Sympson" as well - maybe the "fabricated daughter" of the "fabricated mommy"?) and quoted yourself two times while claiming you also have a son.
This is the second son you have posted that you have. How many sons do you have, Whooter? I think we all agree that your story and family are fabricated, but now we're not sure which kids are real and which are fake. Most of us believe you have two sons, as you postsed, and no daughter (you fabricated her).
Go ahead and explain about this second son and the fabricated daughter.
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We are discussing it and you're getting the shit end of it, and badly.
What we found was that you were posting as "Peg Sympson" (you have also posted as "Jammie Sympson" as well - maybe the "fabricated daughter" of the "fabricated mommy"?) and quoted yourself two times while claiming you also have a son.
This is the second son you have posted that you have. How many sons do you have, Whooter? I think we all agree that your story and family are fabricated, but now we're not sure which kids are real and which are fake. Most of us believe you have two sons, as you postsed, and no daughter (you fabricated her).
Go ahead and explain about this second son and the fabricated daughter.
So we agree that you were posting as Pegg Sympson also as evident of the above link I provided. I took the name from you. As far as Jammie Sympson I have not seen that post. Do you have a link to that one? We can take a look.
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Oh FFS.....the whole reason he started this ridiculous thread is because he KNOWS his credibility is shot. Someone new came along who seems genuinely interested in how programs "work" and what the fallout is from them. Whooter knows he's caught and he's trying to explain his sock puppetry away and save face.
It ain't working and people ain't buying it. :deal: :twofinger:
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Oh FFS.....the whole reason he started this ridiculous thread is because he KNOWS his credibility is shot. Someone new came along who seems genuinely interested in how programs "work" and what the fallout is from them. Whooter knows he's caught and he's trying to explain his sock puppetry away and save face.
It ain't working and people ain't buying it. :deal: :twofinger:
No, they are not, Anne.
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Oh FFS.....the whole reason he started this ridiculous thread is because he KNOWS his credibility is shot. Someone new came along who seems genuinely interested in how programs "work" and what the fallout is from them. Whooter knows he's caught and he's trying to explain his sock puppetry away and save face.
It ain't working and people ain't buying it. :deal: :twofinger:
You are partially right, Anne. There has been a lot of trolling out in the forum of people asking me questions about my past posts.. "fabricated son" etc. So I thought if people had a question about a specific post I could redirect it here and avoid having the thread derailed with a topic most people are not interested in.
I think it will help on many levels.
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Here's another one from that thread where Whooter is posing as "Burt Mann" (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&start=480#p349954) and the post previous to that one he was posting as "hmgbf" and quoting himself.
So, that's two more aliases to add to an expanding list.
Whooter, you were asked nicely before to explain the second son you are now claiming to have. Please explain that new son we never heard about before. Thanks in advance.
Now we're up to 53 aliases Whooter has used to troll Fornits.
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Oh FFS.....the whole reason he started this ridiculous thread is because he KNOWS his credibility is shot. Someone new came along who seems genuinely interested in how programs "work" and what the fallout is from them. Whooter knows he's caught and he's trying to explain his sock puppetry away and save face.
It ain't working and people ain't buying it. :deal: :twofinger:
You are partially right, Anne. There has been a lot of trolling out in the forum of people asking me questions about my past posts.. "fabricated son" etc. So I thought if people had a question about a specific post I could redirect it here and avoid having the thread derailed with a topic most people are not interested in.
I think it will help on many levels.
Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
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Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits. You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education. You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.
But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs. You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail. You were having unsafe sex and your parents didn’t want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life. Maybe straight wasn’t the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.
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If people are interested in why I wrote the posts that I did then this is the thread to ask me.
OK...We're asking.
Oh FFS.....the whole reason he started this ridiculous thread is because he KNOWS his credibility is shot. Someone new came along who seems genuinely interested in how programs "work" and what the fallout is from them. Whooter knows he's caught and he's trying to explain his sock puppetry away and save face.
It ain't working and people ain't buying it. :deal: :twofinger:
You are partially right, Anne. There has been a lot of trolling out in the forum of people asking me questions about my past posts.. "fabricated son" etc. So I thought if people had a question about a specific post I could redirect it here and avoid having the thread derailed with a topic most people are not interested in.
I think it will help on many levels.
Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
You started this thread to clean up your lies and explain yourself, Whooter. Why are you attacking Anne instead of addressing those posts you wrote?
Do you have two "fabricated sons" or one "fabricated daughter"?
Just answer and we can move on. If you want to start threads attacking Anne Bonney, go ahead and start them in trhe "OFFA" section. This thread is to address your posts, not theirs.
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Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits. You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education. You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.
But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs. You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail. You were having unsafe sex and your parents didn’t want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life. Maybe straight wasn’t the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.
So, now that you've diagnosed me over the internet, how 'bout answering my question?
You're becoming more and more desperate and it's showing.
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Whooter, you were asked nicely before to explain the second son you are now claiming to have. Please explain that new son we never heard about before. Thanks in advance.
I primarily focus on my daughter here because she attended a program. I may discuss other family members in relation to experiences I have had with them but I would rather not discuss the details of my whole family here on fornits.
I hope you can understand this.
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You're becoming more and more desperate and it's showing.
That's true and posting about your "sex life" (intimating you were "slutty") when he has no idea who you are or what your life was like, is abusive and the mods should give him a week to think about doing things like that.
I primarily focus on my daughter here because she attended a program.
It is widely accepted that your daughter was "fabricated" by you and doesn't actually exist. You now also claim two sons, one of which you claim you "fabricated."
Whooter, did you fabricate two sons or one daughter or both? This is a legitimate question about your posts.
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Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits. You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education. You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.
But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs. You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail. You were having unsafe sex and your parents didn’t want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life. Maybe straight wasn’t the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.
Please just answer Anne's question Whooter. You started the thread after all. As far as I can tell Anne is not the one with a major cred issue here. Your posts have apparently not been very honest. People have questions and you promised to answer them.
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Whooter, you were asked nicely before to explain the second son you are now claiming to have. Please explain that new son we never heard about before. Thanks in advance.
I primarily focus on my daughter here because she attended a program. I may discuss other family members in relation to experiences I have had with them but I would rather not discuss the details of my whole family here on fornits.
I hope you can understand this.
Yet you've no problem throwing around insults at me for things you know nothing about. Gotcha.
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I agree that we should stay on track with the intent of this thread. We can look at any posts that you like but we need to take it one at a time and you need to provide a link so that we can all take a look at it together within its context.
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Yet you've no problem throwing around insults at me for things you know nothing about. Gotcha.
I am just pointing out that you have not been honest with the readers yourself, Anne. I dont mind reviewing my past posts openly here but if you are going to start pointing fingers about posting honestly I think the readers should also be aware of the source of the attacks.
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I would rather not discuss the details of my whole family here on fornits.
Translation: "I haven't fabricated the rest of my children, my wife or my close relatives yet."
I hope you can understand this.
Why you feel the need to fabricate your entire family and your experiences? No, I cannot understand for the life of me how anyone could be so incredibily duplicitous and phony. Sorry.
How many phony kids and how many real kids, Whooter? It should be a one-line answer and we can move on.
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Yet you've no problem throwing around insults at me for things you know nothing about. Gotcha.
I am just pointing out that you have not been honest with the readers yourself, Anne. I dont mind reviewing my past posts openly here but if you are going to start pointing fingers about posting honestly I think the readers should also be aware of the source of the attacks.
So, you're not going to answer the question. Gotcha.
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You were having unsafe sex
Whooter, you posted this about Anne Bonney. Why did you say this?
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Yet you've no problem throwing around insults at me for things you know nothing about. Gotcha.
I am just pointing out that you have not been honest with the readers yourself, Anne.
Citation please. Where have I lied about anything? You keep accusing me of lying when I ask you to point to where I've lied, I you avoid that too, just like you're avoiding this question about which kid you lied about now.
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If there is a specific post that you would like to review you can just provide a link.
Example:
Here is a person who has a whole family of kids and was in a program himself and tells many of his stories here on fornits. So just cut and paste the post.
similar to this:
I would not listen to “TheWho” cuz I was abused in a program. I’m pissed off cuz people do not believe that kids like me got sent to isolation. I was put in a small room for 2 days with no windows and was only allowed out to use the bathroom. I was not allowed to shower. I did not make any mistakes to daserve this. I will post more later.
and then provide the link: (notice the edit Stamp)
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=335674#p335674)
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As far as I can tell, Whooter brought his family into the discussion to begin with. Now people are asking legitimate questions about it. These questions are not being answered. Why Whooter?
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I agree that we should stay on track with the intent of this thread. We can look at any posts that you like but we need to take it one at a time and you need to provide a link so that we can all take a look at it together within its context.
Alright then. Please provide a link where I've lied.
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Another Whooter "fake, fabricated" post. The link points to a post that says nothing resembling what Whooter wrote and if you do a search on the text of what Whooter wrote you see he's the only one who has ever said it. He said it, then lied about where it came from. Typical.
Now, Whooter, why did you say Anne has "unprotected sex" like you know her or anything about her? Why would you try to tarnish her by making comments about her sexual behavior to which you are nto, and never have been privy?
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Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits. You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education. You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.
But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs. You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail. You were having unsafe sex and your parents didn’t want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life. Maybe straight wasn’t the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.
Please just answer Anne's question Whooter. You started the thread after all. As far as I can tell Anne is not the one with a major cred issue here. Your posts have apparently not been very honest. People have questions and you promised to answer them.
He's just trying to defect attention away from his being caught fabricating either a son or daughter or sons. I can't keep up anymore.
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Why has this thread been moved to the OFFA? Whooter started a legitimate topic and everyone stayed on topic and the whole thread was shitcanned. Mods, you are doing a poor job here. Just because you don't like the conversation doesn't mean it's against the rules. This thread should be reinstated immediately. No rule was violated.
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And.. again, the opt in is bs...what is its purpose exactly?
(Go ahead and split this off, if you want.)
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There have been many attacks taking place on this thread back and forth. Troll Control, Watchful Yeoman, have been posting quotes about things that I have said and aliases that I supposedly have written under. Most of these did not accompany a link to a post we can look at. Anne this didnt seem to concern you that no link was present in these posts why push for a citation from me now?
Going forward lets stay with the rules from the OP and submit posts with links like I have demonstrated in a previous post.
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Whooter, the useless lying asshole fabricator of Fornits has earned a trip to the shitcan for the whole thread for attacking Anne in a sexual manner. Thanks, asshole, for ruining yet another thread for the rest of the readers here because you can't control your sexualized aggression.
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Whooter, the useless lying asshole fabricator of Fornits has earned a trip to the shitcan for the whole thread for attacking Anne in a sexual manner. Thanks, asshole.
Oh well, fail... maybe try a different tac.
Be persistent, and try to work with the admins.
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The only person who broke a rule here was Whooter when he disparged Anne in a sexualized way. He should get a week ban for that. Nobody else even went off topic and the mods saw fit to derail the whole conversation, the opposite of their stated purpose. Nice work, mods.
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Whooter, the useless lying asshole fabricator of Fornits has earned a trip to the shitcan for the whole thread for attacking Anne in a sexual manner. Thanks, asshole, for ruining yet another thread for the rest of the readers here because you can't control your sexualized aggression.
Geesh, DJ, Why be so immature? You always focus on the sex issues. Unprotected sex was only part of the problems Anne was posing to her parents. I also mentioned she dropped out of school, was drinking, drugging and getting into car accidents among other issues she had at the time. This wasnt an attack on anyone it is just stating facts about another person the same way yourself and Anne state facts on me.
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You have proved yourself to be scum once again. You don't know anything about Anne and have no "facts" just innuendo that she's unsavory or unseemly somehow. Typically, when you lose arguments all day and get cornered in lies you revert to this but you would normally accuse the person who just handed your ass to you of being a "child molester." That's your MO.
When you accuse her of having unprotected sex, is that your way of blaming her for being raped? You are a sick fuck. It's not cool to for you to be aggressive towards a rape victim in a sexual manner. You have some real problems, asshole.
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Whooter, the useless lying asshole fabricator of Fornits has earned a trip to the shitcan for the whole thread for attacking Anne in a sexual manner. Thanks, asshole, for ruining yet another thread for the rest of the readers here because you can't control your sexualized aggression.
Geesh, DJ, Why be so immature?
After what you just posted about me you're gonna call him immature???
Face it dude.....you're done here. You've blown your wad for all to see.
Now, are you going to answer my question about your son(s)/daughter or are you going to continue to try to deflect attention away from it?
Are you ever going to come up with a link to back up your accusations of me lying or are you going to continue to try and deflect attention away from it?
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Geesh, DJ, Why be so immature?
You've blown your wad for all to see.
Geesh, Anne. Why do you all have to be so foul mouthed all the time?
I tried to make this an honest thread and a place where people could ask questions and get answers without mucking up the main forum. We can try to continue if everyone wants to but if it turns into a name calling thread then I dont think I will want to continue. There are plenty of other threads in the offa for that. Lets keep the questions one at a time and focus on them.
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Whooter, the useless lying asshole fabricator of Fornits has earned a trip to the shitcan for the whole thread for attacking Anne in a sexual manner. Thanks, asshole, for ruining yet another thread for the rest of the readers here because you can't control your sexualized aggression.
Geesh, DJ, Why be so immature?
After what you just posted about me you're gonna call him immature???
Face it dude.....you're done here. You've blown your wad for all to see.
Now, are you going to answer my question about your son(s)/daughter or are you going to continue to try to deflect attention away from it?
Are you ever going to come up with a link to back up your accusations of me lying or are you going to continue to try and deflect attention away from it?
He's a disgusting freak, Anne. He's a toad. There will be no explanations about his lies. This whole thread is attention-whoring only because nobody will interact with this scum on other threads.
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He's a disgusting freak, Anne. He's a toad. There will be no explanations about his lies. This whole thread is attention-whoring only because nobody will interact with this scum on other threads.
I think that sums up the interest on this topic. This is a good place to end it. I did give it a shot, though, and thought people wanted explanations on my postings. We can roll these into the other attack threads on OFFA. I dont get down here much so you guys can have fun.
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Geesh, DJ, Why be so immature?
You've blown your wad for all to see.
I tried to make this an honest thread and a place where people could ask questions and get answers without mucking up the main forum.
Well, we've asked you questions and you refuse to answer them.
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Well, we've asked you questions and you refuse to answer them.
No I didnt, I have answered all the questions honestly to the best of my knowledge. I asked for links so that I can review the context of the post. A sound bite doesn't give me much information to respond to.
There is no need for name calling. There are so many other threads dedicated to that.
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Well, we've asked you questions and you refuse to answer them.
No I didnt, I have answered all the questions honestly to the best of my knowledge. I asked for links so that I can review the context of the post. A sound bite doesn't give me much information to respond to.
There is no need for name calling. There are so many other threads dedicated to that.
We've been asking you about whether you fabricated a son, sons or a daughter. And I didn't call you a name in the post that you quoted. All I did was state the obvious. You're refusing to answer the questions posed to you about which parts of your family you've fabricated. You already admitted to fabricating one son, now we see posts where you're referring to another son, yet you claim that it was a daughter you shipped off. What's true?
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Well, we've asked you questions and you refuse to answer them.
No I didnt, I have answered all the questions honestly to the best of my knowledge. I asked for links so that I can review the context of the post. A sound bite doesn't give me much information to respond to.
There is no need for name calling. There are so many other threads dedicated to that.
We've been asking you about whether you fabricated a son, sons or a daughter. And I didn't call you a name in the post that you quoted. All I did was state the obvious. You're refusing to answer the questions posed to you about which parts of your family you've fabricated. You already admitted to fabricating one son, now we see posts where you're referring to another son, yet you claim that it was a daughter you shipped off. What's true?
I answered that a few pages back:
I primarily focus on my daughter here because she attended a program (my other children did not). I may discuss other family members in relation to experiences I have had with them but I would rather not discuss the details of my whole family here on fornits.
I hope you can understand this.
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You posted before that you had a son at a program, too. You also answered many posts addressed to "John Reuben" and posted about your two sons in programs. You have claimed to have three children in programs, two boys and one girl. We just want to know now if you fabricated one, two or all three of these "program kids."
Most people here believe you have two sons, both went to programs, and one killed himself after his program since you have posted very intricate, non-public details of both Mike and Max Reuben's treatment and programs while answering to the name "John Reuben."
Now we just want to hear your explanation of why you keep claiming you have sons, daughters, "fabricated a son," etc. You have put up some pretty implausible explanations but nobody believed them so you should try being honest for once.
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You posted before that you had a son at a program, too. You also answered many posts addressed to "John Reuben" and posted about your two sons in programs. You have claimed to have three children in programs, two boys and one girl. We just want to know now if you fabricated one, two or all three of these "program kids."
Most people here believe you have two sons, both went to programs, and one killed himself after his program since you have posted very intricate, non-public details of both Mike and Max Reuben's treatment and programs while answering to the name "John Reuben."
Now we just want to hear your explanation of why you keep claiming you have sons, daughters, "fabricated a son," etc. You have put up some pretty implausible explanations but nobody believed them so you should try being honest for once.
I only had a daughter which attended a program. I am not John Reuben. There were times that you fabricated people and I followed suit to balance the scales. I believe most of the times I guest posted was to counter another person who I thought was guest posting also. There was a lot said in the past and that is why I started this thread. I dont want it to become another bashing name calling thread. There are other threads for that. If you intend on just attacking here then I will back away and you can have this thread for your own amusement. If you are truly interested in why I said what I did then I will stick around here.
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You actually claimed to have three kids in programs, two boys and a girl. Then you said you fabricated one of the boys. I have never fabricated anyone, much less my own children. Only someone with mental problems lives in a deceptive fantasy world like that. For some reason you pod-people think we normals can't spot you, but we see right through your tissue of lies. Just thought I'd let you know that. That's why nobody's buying your ridiculous excuses for all of your lies.
Now I'd like to hear your reasons for posting that Anne Bonney was having unprotected sex as an underaged girl. You know she was raped. Was this rape what you're calling "unprotected sex"? You do realize that your average rapist doesn't ask his victim if she wants to have "protected non-consensual sex," right? I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are taking personal potshots of a sexual nature at a rape victim. That's not cool. Did the admin warn you about this deplorable behavior?
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I stand behind my posts.
Now I'd like to hear your reasons for posting that Anne Bonney was having unprotected sex as an underaged girl. You know she was raped. Was this rape what you're calling "unprotected sex"? You do realize that your average rapist doesn't ask his victim if she wants to have "protected non-consensual sex," right? I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are taking personal potshots of a sexual nature at a rape victim. That's not cool. Did the admin warn you about this deplorable behavior?
Stand behind your posts like a man. Why did you do this to a person who has told you several times in the past she was raped and the program staff blamed her for it?
What did the mods say to you about it?
Once more, when confronted with his own ugly words and deeds, Whooter scurries away like a plague rat.
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I just wanted to say that I appreciate the dedication of the Watchful Yeoman. Keeping a sharp eye on things and constantly on guard for any bullshit. Thanks Man!
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What did the mods say to you about it?
Well, lets just say it wasnt what they said to you yesterday, Troll Control !, Whoops.... lol
I never attacked anyone. I stated what I knew. I didnt call her names or attack her for having unprotected sex or judge her for having unprotected sex. I pointed out that this was a strain on her family and probably didnt help in her being defined as an at-risk youth.
Now that I cleared that up lets move onto you, DJ, why do you have a penchant for young boys, pedophilia and sick animal sexual posts? When trolling me why did you choose this theme? I told you after our posts were strung together that I found tons of these posts not only directed at me but at many other people. I only posted one of your posts initially because you indicated that your wife reads and posts here and I didnt want to embarrass you further.
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Wow, another low blow by Whooter. Surprise. Always making up stories about people without any conscience whatsover. Bald faced lies. Why do you feel a need to call several people here you've never met pedos? That's pretty much your go-to tactic every time your lies are exposed. It shows what a sick demented person you are. Dirty from the inside out. You are the lowest of the scum buckets. So much for your supposed claim that you regret some of your shameful lie-fests.
I don't know who WY is, but I am sure that DJ's wife is not embarrassed by YOUR bullshit posts. No, we'll leave the embarrassment to your family, having a father/son/partner who emotionally rapes people 24/7 for kicks.
And while we're at it, when are the admins changing this forum to: "Whooter's Fucking Playground" with the motto "We Cater to Sick Fucks who Endorse Child Abuse."
Just a thought.
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Wow, another low blow by Whooter. Surprise. Always making up stories about people without any conscience whatsover. Bald faced lies. Why do you feel a need to call several people here you've never met pedos? That's pretty much your go-to tactic every time your lies are exposed. It shows what a sick demented person you are. Dirty from the inside out. You are the lowest of the scum buckets. So much for your supposed claim that you regret some of your shameful lie-fests.
I just have a hard time with the pedophile posts. I know this is acceptable to you, Samara, but to me it just crosses the line. If a poster logs out and decides to post as a guest in defense of a woman being battered that is one thing but post anonymous like these is wrong in my opinion:
Man, TheWho is really pushing the gay slurs, but also letting us know he fantasies of being gay. He seems very conflicted over his sexuality. On one hand he deameans the idea of homosexuality and on the other he puts out there his desire for anal sex with people (and dogs) and to lick boys' bottoms. How very weird. No wonder his kid was so screwed up and his wife left him flat!
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Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=335422#p335422)
We may have different moral perspective but I cannot support these types of posts like you have been doing.
I don't know who WY is, but I am sure that DJ's wife is not embarrassed by YOUR bullshit posts. No, we'll leave the embarrassment to your family, having a father/son/partner who emotionally rapes people 24/7 for kicks.
No it is not my posts I was worried about it was the ones DJ posted like the one above.
And while we're at it, when are the admins changing this forum to: "Whooter's Fucking Playground" with the motto "We Cater to Sick Fucks who Endorse Child Abuse."
Just a thought.
Maybe the forum will improve when people like yourself get off the side line and stand up for what is right instead of being a cheerleader for every sick anti-program post that comes along.
Stand up for something Samara, have some morals at least, why put yourself behind filth like this? There is a better way to fight the industry besides bashing people from the shadows with filth and degradation. You should try to take a more intelligent path and try to educate people on your point of view and share your experiences. Attacking people isnt going to further your cause or help improve your credibility here on fornits. think about doing the right thing.
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If a handful of usernames is leading the pack then this forum wasnt as bad as we think.
I mentioned before that I guest posted for various reasons. Mostly to even the scales. I was the only moderate in the group. As far as that specific post. I do not remember what the circumstances were. Maybe you were trolling me about being an industry person or giving some poor poster a hard time. I would have to go back and read the circumstances leading up to the post. Why is that post so important to you? I had hundreds of posts where DJ (and others) would change the wording or the name to make it seem like I had written them, pretending to be other people etc. to put me in a bad light. You probably received some of the fallout because you participated in trolling me.
Whooter you claimed you wanted to have a civil discussion. I've kept to that standard so far, however in order to continue the conversation in that same tone, accountability and honesty are required.
First and foremost you are not now, were you ever a moderate on this forum. You have ridiculed and dismissed survivors abuse stories. You have consistently refused to look at blatent situations where laws were being broken by programs. You have routinely played games on here in an effort to detract from a conversation of substance occuring. You are many things, but you're not a moderate or voice of reason by any means. You are and always have been pro program.
I would challenge you to look at your original post that you attempted to attribute to me and were subsequently banned for. I wasn't even involved in the conversation where the original post took place. There was no trolling going on, or need for balance from the shadows. It was you playing a game. You consitently use the excuse "others are doing it too!" as a means of justifying your actions. Whether DJ or anyone else was doing the same thing I do not know. What I do know is that you did it. I think you taking some respondsibility for your actions is due.
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If a handful of usernames is leading the pack then this forum wasnt as bad as we think.
I mentioned before that I guest posted for various reasons. Mostly to even the scales. I was the only moderate in the group. As far as that specific post. I do not remember what the circumstances were. Maybe you were trolling me about being an industry person or giving some poor poster a hard time. I would have to go back and read the circumstances leading up to the post. Why is that post so important to you? I had hundreds of posts where DJ (and others) would change the wording or the name to make it seem like I had written them, pretending to be other people etc. to put me in a bad light. You probably received some of the fallout because you participated in trolling me.
Whooter you claimed you wanted to have a civil discussion. I've kept to that standard so far, however in order to continue the conversation in that same tone, accountability and honesty are required.
First and foremost you are not now, were you ever a moderate on this forum. You have ridiculed and dismissed survivors abuse stories. You have consistently refused to look at blatent situations where laws were being broken by programs. You have routinely played games on here in an effort to detract from a conversation of substance occuring. You are many things, but you're not a moderate or voice of reason by any means. You are and always have been pro program.
I would challenge you to look at your original post that you attempted to attribute to me and were subsequently banned for. I wasn't even involved in the conversation where the original post took place. There was no trolling going on, or need for balance from the shadows. It was you playing a game. You consitently use the excuse "others are doing it too!" as a means of justifying your actions. Whether DJ or anyone else was doing the same thing I do not know. What I do know is that you did it. I think you taking some respondsibility for your actions is due.
Look, Bruce, stop all the attacks. I read the posts before and after that one and I cannot tell why I changed it. Maybe you were trolling me on another thread so I took the opportunity to even the scales, but besides that I really do not know on this one. I dont have an answer.
On a side note: If you dont feel you think my answers are going to be honest then why are you asking? Why waste both of our times? I consider myself a moderate because I am middle of the road. I can see that some programs are abusive while others are not. I dont take an extreme view where all programs are good or bad. You can view me anyway you like but lets stay away from personal attacks on one another.
I have already ended my dialog with DJ,Watchful Yeoman on this thread. If you view this as just another way to bash me then this thread can end here for me. Give it some thought, supply a link and I will do the best I can to answer why I posted what I did.
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Wow, another low blow by Whooter. Surprise. Always making up stories about people without any conscience whatsover. Bald faced lies. Why do you feel a need to call several people here you've never met pedos? That's pretty much your go-to tactic every time your lies are exposed. It shows what a sick demented person you are. Dirty from the inside out. You are the lowest of the scum buckets. So much for your supposed claim that you regret some of your shameful lie-fests.
I don't know who WY is, but I am sure that DJ's wife is not embarrassed by YOUR bullshit posts. No, we'll leave the embarrassment to your family, having a father/son/partner who emotionally rapes people 24/7 for kicks.
And while we're at it, when are the admins changing this forum to: "Whooter's Fucking Playground" with the motto "We Cater to Sick Fucks who Endorse Child Abuse."
Just a thought.
And a great thought it was, Samara. Thank you for breaking down Whooter's warped psyche for us. He's obviously a very sick individual.
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Have fun!
Have fun at what? He's asking why you would throw digs of a sexual nature towards a rape victim.....namely me. I don't recall posting anything about my sexual activities before going in Straight, other than the rape & childhood sexual abuse, so for you to toss that around so casually and refer to it as me having 'unprotected sex' is pretty low, even for you. All this must be getting to you for you to react the way you have and make that comment. You're usually insulting, but most of the time you try to be sly about it and are kinda passive-aggressive with your postings. That you sunk to this level is very telling.
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Have fun!
Have fun at what? He's asking why you would throw digs of a sexual nature towards a rape victim.....namely me. I don't recall posting anything about my sexual activities before going in Straight, other than the rape & childhood sexual abuse, so for you to toss that around so casually and refer to it as me having 'unprotected sex' is pretty low, even for you. All this must be getting to you for you to react the way you have and make that comment. You're usually insulting, but most of the time you try to be sly about it and are kinda passive-aggressive with your postings. That you sunk to this level is very telling.
How about you not knowing anything about my life yet you toss around allegations of family suicide, make cracks about how I profit from the industry. Sitting by quietly while your friends email survivors at home to make fun of their family members and make wise cracks about how they took their own lives.
What does this say about a person? how low have you sank,Anne lol.
If you stepped back and took a look at your own actions I think you would see which one of us turns a blind eye to abuse. At least I stand up to people who are hurting others regardless of whether I believe in their opinions.
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I think you would see which one of us turns a blind eye to abuse.
Yeah, it's you. And you heap it on when you feel like you've been embarassed.
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I didnt call her names or attack her for having unprotected sex or judge her for having unprotected sex. I pointed out that this was a strain on her family and probably didnt help in her being defined as an at-risk youth.
The problem is that none of what you said is true. You made it up expressly to hurt Anne. You did this knowing she was a victim of sexual assault as a child. You called her rape "unprotected sex," Whooter. You, sir, are a disgusting troglodyte. I seriously don't know how you function with all of those snakes squirming in your brain bucket.
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I didnt call her names or attack her for having unprotected sex or judge her for having unprotected sex. I pointed out that this was a strain on her family and probably didnt help in her being defined as an at-risk youth.
The problem is that none of what you said is true. You made it up expressly to hurt Anne. You did this knowing she was a victim of sexual assault as a child. You called her rape "unprotected sex," Whooter. You, sir, are a disgusting troglodyte. I seriously don't know how you function with all of those snakes squirming in your brain bucket.
Those are your words, DJ, I didnt bring rape into it. You should have more sense in the future and think about who you could be hurting.
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This is about par for the course. Whooter still will not give a straight answer to the question about his kids. Says he only used sock puppets to even the scales. Will not be honest about how many alter egos he has signed in with. Come on people don't you see what this is all about ?? To me it seems he suffers from mental illness "Meglomania". He don't seek normal conversations he looks for arguements, and by us stooping to his level it makes him feel better about himself. He considers all of us liars, and yeah he can not stand it when people can prove him wrong. He becomes billigerent, this is why he loves DJ, Anne, Troll Control and Yoman, they give him what he needs to feel good about himself some kind of battle. I would almost bet he does not know what it feels like to have friends so he thrives on enemies.
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Will not be honest about how many alter egos he has signed in with.
I did lay out the registered names I had/have on fornits. It was several posts ago you may have missed it. I have asked if anyone feels that I have any others they can check the registered names list database here on fornits and we can do a search to verify if they were mine or not.
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Will not be honest about how many alter egos he has signed in with.
I did lay out the registered names I had/have on fornits. It was several posts ago you may have missed it. I have asked if anyone feels that I have any others they can check the registered names list database here on fornits and we can do a search to verify if they were mine or not.
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I really don't feel any of us could believe anything you say Whooter, people have exposed you to be a liar several times as well as you using a sock puppet acting like a survivor answering you own questions talking about how wonderful the program was and how it saved your life. By you impersonating a survivor, that is probably one of the worst things you could do, made you out to be nothing more than a lie... Why did you feel the need to do that in the first place ??Also if your conscious is clear on the sign in why does it bother you so much what we believe ??
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Look, Bruce, stop all the attacks. I read the posts before and after that one and I cannot tell why I changed it. Maybe you were trolling me on another thread so I took the opportunity to even the scales, but besides that I really do not know on this one. I dont have an answer.
On a side note: If you dont feel you think my answers are going to be honest then why are you asking? Why waste both of our times? I consider myself a moderate because I am middle of the road. I can see that some programs are abusive while others are not. I dont take an extreme view where all programs are good or bad. You can view me anyway you like but lets stay away from personal attacks on one another.
I have already ended my dialog with DJ,Watchful Yeoman on this thread. If you view this as just another way to bash me then this thread can end here for me. Give it some thought, supply a link and I will do the best I can to answer why I posted what I did.
I am not attacking you Whooter. I am merely stating facts as there are currently available. Here is the original posts for the 3rd time.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=21604&start=10
Again, I would like to see some amount of accountabilty from you. At the very least don't attempt to blame me for your actions. I guess I take issue with the fact that you on a regular basis accuse me and others of playing games, and attacking from the shadows with zero evidence, yet you refuse to take respondsibility for your own actions.
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I really don't feel any of us could believe anything you say Whooter, people have exposed you to be a liar several times as well as you using a sock puppet acting like a survivor answering you own questions talking about how wonderful the program was and how it saved your life. By you impersonating a survivor, that is probably one of the worst things you could do, made you out to be nothing more than a lie... Why did you feel the need to do that in the first place ??Also if your conscious is clear on the sign in why does it bother you so much what we believe ??
Look at it from everyones elses perspective BP. 99% of the people on fornits disagree with me. 99% of people agree with Dysfuntion Junction/Watchful Yeoman. None of us have any visibility into any other posters here, but I was able to expose all of DJ’s posts. He claimed to have never posted under any other names and never guest posted. I was able to show that he posted 3,500 guest posts and had many other aliases. He posted as parents, survivors, he posted filth pretending to be a pedophile, he pretended to be abused in a program etc.
So he represents the average anti-program poster here on fornits because everyone rallies to support him. If he didn’t represent the average poster than people would have come out and disagreed with him pretending to be abused in a program etc. so it is a good bet that many did the same as he did.
So based on that information how many of the people supporting him have also made up stories of abuse or pretended to be a survivor or parent? We have only looked at one anti-program person who claimed to have never posted as a guest and it turns out to be 3,500 what are we to believe about all the other regulars here who rush out to support his actions? Do you see what I mean?
So as a minimum those who come out to support dysfunction Junctions/Watchful Yeomans actions have probably done the same thing he has or atleast support his tactics to further the anti-program position. Subsequently we are looking at a very large number of people here on fornits who embrace the action of fabricating stories of abuse, kids in programs who never attended, program parents etc. like DJ did. Otherwise why would they support his actions?
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Once again you are using flawed logic. You're using conjecture and assumptions to claim what you believe others are doing. The fact of the matter is you have no real basis. Can you point to a post of someone supporting DJ's actions?
Wait a second, I'll do your homework for you......well rather I'll take a page from your playbook.
DJ saw the games you were playing by posting under various guises and backrounds. He simply sought to "add balance" and "even the scales". DJ is a moderate middle of the road poster who was being trolled by you. He showed that you have more than 10,000 posts after he exposed you and all the games you play.
Using your logic we can safely assume that given that there are only a small number of pro program posters like yourself, and given that none of them have condemned your actions, it stands to reason they are all playing the same games you are.
Agreed?
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DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.
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DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.
There are mass murderers and serial rapists who never justified program abuse also. This doesnt justify their actions.
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DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.
There are mass murderers and serial rapists who never justified program abuse also. This doesnt justify their actions.
Well, no but that really has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
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DJ never justified program abuse. That is a pretty big differential.
There are mass murderers and serial rapists who never justified program abuse also. This doesnt justify their actions.
Well, no but that really has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
No but it makes a point.
In an earlier post it stated that DJ pretended to be abuse victims, parents, pedophile and posted filth. He claimed to have never posted under any other user name and never posted as a guest. Yet we found 3,500 guest posts and many aliases.
But Samara is saying that this is okay because he never justified program abuse. So as long people dont justify program abuse it is okay to do all these things? How much are we willing to tolerate as long as someone refrains from justifying program abuse? Could they murder people? Rape people?
This was my point. I should have tried to make it more clear.
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In an earlier post it stated that DJ pretended to be abuse victims, parents, pedophile and posted filth. He claimed to have never posted under any other user name and never posted as a guest. Yet we found 3,500 guest posts and many aliases.
So you guys are pretty much tied then.
But Samara is saying that this is okay because he never justified program abuse.
No, she's saying that there's a difference. Especially since this is a site populated mainly by survivors of these abusive programs, it might at the very least be a bit more understandable, as it sometimes feels like we're being victimized all over again by program people.
So as long people dont justify program abuse it is okay to do all these things?
No, again....that's your spin on it.
How much are we willing to tolerate as long as someone refrains from justifying program abuse? Could they murder people? Rape people?
This was my point. I should have tried to make it more clear.
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Look at it from everyones elses perspective BP. 99% of the people on fornits disagree with me. 99% of people agree with Dysfuntion Junction/Watchful Yeoman. None of us have any visibility into any other posters here, but I was able to expose all of DJ’s posts. He claimed to have never posted under any other names and never guest posted. I was able to show that he posted 3,500 guest posts and had many other aliases. He posted as parents, survivors, he posted filth pretending to be a pedophile, he pretended to be abused in a program etc.
So he represents the average anti-program poster here on fornits because everyone rallies to support him. If he didn’t represent the average poster than people would have come out and disagreed with him pretending to be abused in a program etc. so it is a good bet that many did the same as he did.
So based on that information how many of the people supporting him have also made up stories of abuse or pretended to be a survivor or parent? We have only looked at one anti-program person who claimed to have never posted as a guest and it turns out to be 3,500 what are we to believe about all the other regulars here who rush out to support his actions? Do you see what I mean?
So as a minimum those who come out to support dysfunction Junctions/Watchful Yeomans actions have probably done the same thing he has or atleast support his tactics to further the anti-program position. Subsequently we are looking at a very large number of people here on fornits who embrace the action of fabricating stories of abuse, kids in programs who never attended, program parents etc. like DJ did. Otherwise why would they support his actions?
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Whooter let's take a look at some of the things you have stated in the above ...(1) Yes 99% of the posters do disagree with you as we are mostly the ones who have been through the programs...
(2) DJ does not represent the average anti program poster here, he is simply the one you want to use for the standard, when in fact we are all individual...
(3)You having an issue with what he done is a personal matter between you and him, and with you doing the same thing he done but in the "PRO-PROGRAM" light made it where you can not carry any credability for your cause. And sure you have had some people that have been on your side but they have disappeared or are just pure nasty and have not been able to help your arguement
(4)And when it comes to basing abuse stories by other poster comparing them to what you feel DJ done, you don't have any proof, it is as if you are calling the 99% of people that disagree with you a liar and you have no evidence to support your claims however we are able to as there were people here to witness the abuse first hand.
(5) A while back you wondered why I had a problem with the forum being changed and you were under the assumption that it was due to sock puppetry.. Again I can say it was not and I will allow PSY to link all of my post. And I am sure that there are others that can do the same. Just don't want you to be disappointed when you see I am real, my abuse was real and so were many others here. I saw it with my own 2 eyes.
(6) There are not a large number of posters here, but I will admit that some of the parody's such as the one that messes with Danny B is hillarious, so the parody's do not count on the total amount of posters they are for amusement purposes only.
Just think about it Whooter you knew what a can of worms you opened up when you tried to defend the programs, But your lies, sock puppets, and parinoia have ruined your crediability..
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BP, I hear ya. So basically if I were anti-program we would never be talking about any of this. It would have been viewed acceptable (or worse case a dick move) and we would have moved on.
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BP, I hear ya. So basically if I were anti-program we would never be talking about any of this. It would have been viewed acceptable (or worse case a dick move) and we would have moved on.
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No time like the present to move forward. I tollerated you alot better when you were actually trying to do something real like putting together statistics and giving us facts rather that just posting links with BS like what He / She said ... makes for boring conversation, however the seceret meeting story you came up with was pretty funny..
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BP, I hear ya. So basically if I were anti-program we would never be talking about any of this. It would have been viewed acceptable (or worse case a dick move) and we would have moved on.
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No time like the present to move forward. I tollerated you alot better when you were actually trying to do something real like putting together statistics and giving us facts rather that just posting links with BS like what He / She said ... makes for boring conversation, however the seceret meeting story you came up with was pretty funny..
I agree I did get sidetracked into a lot of bull shit. It would be nice to get back to providing information and adding more to the site than disruption and drama.
Your avatar was the inspiration for the secret meeting story.
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BP, I hear ya. So basically if I were anti-program we would never be talking about any of this. It would have been viewed acceptable (or worse case a dick move) and we would have moved on.
No, not necessarily. I think the most important part of what BP posted is that you're lumping us all together. You judge all of us by either DJ or WY or whomever else is the target du jour. You purposely obfuscate the issues and posters.
I tollerated you alot better when you were actually trying to do something real like putting together statistics and giving us facts
Ok.....I'm gonna have to reach thru the screen and throttle you for that! ;)
His bullshit, manipulated "statistics" and supposed "facts" were nothing but smoke and mirrors and REALLY annoying. :beat:
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I tollerated you alot better when you were actually trying to do something real like putting together statistics and giving us facts
Ok.....I'm gonna have to reach thru the screen and throttle you for that! ;)
His bullshit, manipulated "statistics" and supposed "facts" were nothing but smoke and mirrors and REALLY annoying. :beat:
Love ya Anne... Mean it !!!!! :seg:
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His bullshit, manipulated "statistics" and supposed "facts" were nothing but smoke and mirrors and REALLY annoying. :beat:
The ones that were supported with links to credible sources stood on their own. The ones which I did not have links to were my own opinion based on experience so were less credible. But I believe in most cases I presented them that way so the reader could differentiate.
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His bullshit, manipulated "statistics" and supposed "facts" were nothing but smoke and mirrors and REALLY annoying. :beat:
The ones that were supported with links to credible sources stood on their own.
No, they didn't. You manipulated the hell out of them to mold them to fit to your opinions and would put up parental exit surveys and proclaim them to be valid, clinical, longitudinal studies. I'm referring to that non-stop battle between you and RB. PLEASE, for the love of everything good and true in this world, NEITHER of you start that shit up again!
But I believe in most cases I presented them that way so the reader could differentiate.
Nope.
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Oh shit I opened a can of worms..... :eek:
I'll tell you what, let's start with how many kids relapse after leaving a program and go to harder drugs than they done before going in
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No, they didn't. You manipulated the hell out of them to mold them to fit to your opinions and would put up parental exit surveys and proclaim them to be valid, clinical, longitudinal studies. I'm referring to that non-stop battle between you and RB. PLEASE, for the love of everything good and true in this world, NEITHER of you start that shit up again!
No I didnt claim they were clinical longitudinal studies. People like yourself were asking for those. There were studies presented by using surveys which you didnt like. You wanted clinical studies and there is nothing wrong with that. The studies stood on their own and could be rejected or accepted by the reader.
I also presented suicide results in and out of programs which I derived the information from national statistics.
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No, they didn't. You manipulated the hell out of them to mold them to fit to your opinions and would put up parental exit surveys and proclaim them to be valid, clinical, longitudinal studies. I'm referring to that non-stop battle between you and RB. PLEASE, for the love of everything good and true in this world, NEITHER of you start that shit up again!
No I didnt claim they were clinical longitudinal studies. People like yourself were asking for those. There were studies presented by using surveys which you didnt like. You wanted clinical studies and there is nothing wrong with that. The studies stood on their own and could be rejected or accepted by the reader.
You can't even call them studies, because they're not. They're exit surveys that parents filled out. Not a study by a long shot.
I also presented suicide results in and out of programs which I derived the information from national statistics.
Yeah, I know and while the stats may have been accurate comparing public schools to programs is comparing apples to oranges.
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Oh shit I opened a can of worms..... :eek:
I'll tell you what, let's start with how many kids relapse after leaving a program and go to harder drugs than they done before going in
LOL
Technically if the kids did not embrace the thinking of the program then they simply put their drug use "on hold" and it wouldnt be considered a relapse when they start doing drugs at home again. So even if all the kids move onto drugs after the program the program can claim that no kids relapsed because the kids never embraced the program to start with.
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I tollerated you alot better when you were actually trying to do something real like putting together statistics and giving us facts
Ok.....I'm gonna have to reach thru the screen and throttle you for that! ;)
His bullshit, manipulated "statistics" and supposed "facts" were nothing but smoke and mirrors and REALLY annoying. :beat:
Love ya Anne... Mean it !!!!! :seg:
Backatya babe!! :-* :cheers:
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No, they didn't. You manipulated the hell out of them to mold them to fit to your opinions and would put up parental exit surveys and proclaim them to be valid, clinical, longitudinal studies. I'm referring to that non-stop battle between you and RB. PLEASE, for the love of everything good and true in this world, NEITHER of you start that shit up again!
No I didnt claim they were clinical longitudinal studies. People like yourself were asking for those. There were studies presented by using surveys which you didnt like. You wanted clinical studies and there is nothing wrong with that. The studies stood on their own and could be rejected or accepted by the reader.
I also presented suicide results in and out of programs which I derived the information from national statistics.
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For the most part I do agree with Anne, You would inject your own interpitation in with you facts, but when we would try to interject our interpertation you would almost demand a link for a supporting basis. This was the sort of double standard that you presented us with.
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You can't even call them studies, because they're not. They're exit surveys that parents filled out. Not a study by a long shot.
Dam it,anne that is not true. The guy that conducted the survey stated very clearly that when he was done adding up all the answers that it "felt" like a study to him. So the program decided to release the results as a "study". lol
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For the most part I do agree with Anne, You would inject your own interpitation in with you facts, but when we would try to interject our interpertation you would almost demand a link for a supporting basis. This was the sort of double standard that you presented us with.
Well, I was the only guy here trying to push a very large agenda all by myself. So I would naturally cut corners and move some numbers around to try to make my point.
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(These are the little gems that DJ likes to quote.)
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You can't even call them studies, because they're not. They're exit surveys that parents filled out. Not a study by a long shot.
Dam it,anne that is not true. The guy that conducted the survey stated very clearly that when he was done adding up all the answers that it "felt" like a study to him. So the program decided to release the results as a "study". lol
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Howcan you prove that he did not fix the results to appear the way he wanted them to be... Could be like the Florida election when Bush was elected... Seems like there were hanging chaffs on this guys study. Due to the fact that this guy probably had a source of income coming in from treatment centers.
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Oh shit I opened a can of worms..... :eek:
I'll tell you what, let's start with how many kids relapse after leaving a program and go to harder drugs than they done before going in
LOL
Technically if the kids did not embrace the thinking of the program then they simply put their drug use "on hold" and it wouldnt be considered a relapse when they start doing drugs at home again. So even if all the kids move onto drugs after the program the program can claim that no kids relapsed because the kids never embraced the program to start with.
And therein lies the circular logic and self fulfilling prophecy that comes from programs.
When I look at my own life it comes down to this. As I've said, I was the "lightweight" of the group of high school friends I was hanging out with. I had only smoked pot and drank (save when someone slipped a quaalude to me without my knowledge). I went thru Straight and ended up doing harder drugs after getting out because I believed what they told me about being an addict (even though I wasn't anywhere NEAR an addict before going in) and was diagnosed with PTSD from the abuse suffered in Straight. The kids who were doing much "worse" things in high school than I was who did NOT go through a program, grew out of their "bad" behaviors and went on to become fairly normal, well adjusted adults. Once I rejected the notion that I was an addict and shed the Straight and AA way of thinking, my life began to resemble some sense of normalcy. I realized that I was not an alcoholic and that I wasn't doomed to a life of death, insanity or jail. That's part of what I mean when I say that there was a vast difference between what Straight taught us to believe and reality.
Yes, it's anecdotal but still.
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You can't even call them studies, because they're not. They're exit surveys that parents filled out. Not a study by a long shot.
Dam it,anne that is not true. The guy that conducted the survey stated very clearly that when he was done adding up all the answers that it "felt" like a study to him. So the program decided to release the results as a "study". lol
You say that jokingly but, sadly, it's true.
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You can't even call them studies, because they're not. They're exit surveys that parents filled out. Not a study by a long shot.
Dam it,anne that is not true. The guy that conducted the survey stated very clearly that when he was done adding up all the answers that it "felt" like a study to him. So the program decided to release the results as a "study". lol
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Howcan you prove that he did not fix the results to appear the way he wanted them to be... Could be like the Florida election when Bush was elected... Seems like there were hanging chaffs on this guys study.
It can be proven because the guy they hired to tally the results had an IQ below 61 and was incapable of coming up with an idea that big. He was so exhausted after adding up all 12 survey results that as he was leaving he said he felt he conducted a study of the entire industry. So thats how they released the study, as an industry wide, long term study. No hanging chads.
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You can't even call them studies, because they're not. They're exit surveys that parents filled out. Not a study by a long shot.
Dam it,anne that is not true. The guy that conducted the survey stated very clearly that when he was done adding up all the answers that it "felt" like a study to him. So the program decided to release the results as a "study". lol
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Howcan you prove that he did not fix the results to appear the way he wanted them to be... Could be like the Florida election when Bush was elected... Seems like there were hanging chaffs on this guys study.
It can be proven because the guy they hired to tally the results had an IQ below 61 and was incapable of coming up with an idea that big. He was so exhausted after adding up all 12 survey results that as he was leaving he said he felt he conducted a study of the entire industry. So thats how they released the study, as an industry wide, long term study. No hanging chads.
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Book smarts and street smarts are 2 different things.. Even a Wino knows how to beat people out of money....
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And therein lies the circular logic and self fulfilling prophecy that comes from programs.
When I look at my own life it comes down to this. As I've said, I was the "lightweight" of the group of high school friends I was hanging out with. I had only smoked pot and drank (save when someone slipped a quaalude to me without my knowledge). I went thru Straight and ended up doing harder drugs after getting out because I believed what they told me about being an addict (even though I wasn't anywhere NEAR an addict before going in) and was diagnosed with PTSD from the abuse suffered in Straight. The kids who were doing much "worse" things in high school than I was who did NOT go through a program, grew out of their "bad" behaviors and went on to become fairly normal, well adjusted adults. Once I rejected the notion that I was an addict and shed the Straight and AA way of thinking, my life began to resemble some sense of normalcy. I realized that I was not an alcoholic and that I wasn't doomed to a life of death, insanity or jail. That's part of what I mean when I say that there was a vast difference between what Straight taught us to believe and reality.
Yes, it's anecdotal but still.
During my years in high school it would be considered strange if you were not doing drugs or at least smoking pot. A large percentage of the kids who were not getting high probably needed the therapy the most. I dont remember parents flipping out that much, although we never told them about what we did. We did lots of stuff that would have warranted intervention to some parents standards but we would never tell them what we are up to.
I would suspect that a large number of kids who went into programs had been arrested otherwise how would the parents even know if they were doing drugs or not? I was pulled over a few times and the cops would just take our stash (Beer roaches what ever was left) try to figure out who was the soberest put him in the drivers seat and tell us to beat it home. But I guess if I had been busted and had to go to court my folks would have listened to some bad advice about placing me in a program if presented to them, who knows.
So maybe I was lucky and dodged a bullet without knowing it.
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During my years in high school it would be considered strange if you were not doing drugs or at least smoking pot. A large percentage of the kids who were not getting high probably needed the therapy the most. I dont remember parents flipping out that much, although we never told them about what we did. We did lots of stuff that would have warranted intervention to some parents standards but we would never tell them what we are up to.
I would suspect that a large number of kids who went into programs had been arrested otherwise how would the parents even know if they were doing drugs or not? I was pulled over a few times and the cops would just take our stash (Beer roaches what ever was left) try to figure out who was the soberest put him in the drivers seat and tell us to beat it home. But I guess if I had been busted and had to go to court my folks would have listened to some bad advice about placing me in a program if presented to them, who knows.
So maybe I was lucky and dodged a bullet without knowing it.
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You grew up in a different time and place, we here at fornits come from almost every walk of life rich, poor, middle class, from the country, from the cities, mountains and beaches and everywhere in between. So you can never really tell about a persons past without communicating with them in a civil manner. Sometimes to get to really know and understand a survivor you have to make a real effort to listen to their stories of the abuse and listen to what they really brought out of the programs.
For me the only thing positive that came out of programs for me is having and knowing that other survivors can relate and seen with their own eyes as well. There has been a comfort about fornits for years. One other thing I brought out of there was the attitude that the things that don't kill me piss me off, that being said it expresses my feelings about what actually happens in treatment / behavioral modification centers.[/size][/color]
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You grew up in a different time and place, we here at fornits come from almost every walk of life rich, poor, middle class, from the country, from the cities, mountains and beaches and everywhere in between. So you can never really tell about a persons past without communicating with them in a civil manner. Sometimes to get to really know and understand a survivor you have to make a real effort to listen to their stories of the abuse and listen to what they really brought out of the programs.
For me the only thing positive that came out of programs for me is having and knowing that other survivors can relate and seen with their own eyes as well. There has been a comfort about fornits for years. One other thing I brought out of there was the attitude that the things that don't kill me piss me off, that being said it expresses my feelings about what actually happens in treatment / behavioral modification centers.[/size][/color]
Maybe there is a generation gap that stands in the way of understanding, I dont know. I was asked in my first few weeks here on fornits to sit back and listen to the stories and read the accounts of survivors. I tried to read through pages but found myself spending time fighting off attacks and defending my decision to place my daughter into a program that maybe I lost sight of my initial task of listening and trying to understand what many of you went through. Maybe I have been against the wall for so long that this has become my defined role here on fornits.
I should take a step back from playing the devils advocate and challenging everyone for a awhile, listen and read more and see where that takes me.
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Does anyone know how to bend conduit pipe?
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Serious question here:
You ever do any postings about hookers and blow?
links or it never happened.
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Serious question here:
You ever do any postings about hookers and blow?
links or it never happened.
lol, No I dont think so, I talked about my drug use when I was young but nothing specific to hookers. Have you ever paid for it in Asia che?
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Who hasn't paid for it in Asia? I mean seriously... You just have to take a pretty young little thing to KFC and she's yours for the night.
Next question:
Have you ever posted coming clean with your weekend cross dressing antics?
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Damn mods are moving around my righteous posts.
Did you ever post anything about bending conduit pipe?
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Have you ever posted anything about well hung Nigerians bending conduit pipe?
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If people are interested in why I wrote the posts that I did then this is the thread to ask me.
OK...We're asking.
Oh FFS.....the whole reason he started this ridiculous thread is because he KNOWS his credibility is shot. Someone new came along who seems genuinely interested in how programs "work" and what the fallout is from them. Whooter knows he's caught and he's trying to explain his sock puppetry away and save face.
It ain't working and people ain't buying it. :deal: :twofinger:
You are partially right, Anne. There has been a lot of trolling out in the forum of people asking me questions about my past posts.. "fabricated son" etc. So I thought if people had a question about a specific post I could redirect it here and avoid having the thread derailed with a topic most people are not interested in.
I think it will help on many levels.
Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
You started this thread to clean up your lies and explain yourself, Whooter. Why are you attacking Anne instead of addressing those posts you wrote?
Do you have two "fabricated sons" or one "fabricated daughter"?
Just answer and we can move on. If you want to start threads attacking Anne Bonney, go ahead and start them in trhe "OFFA" section. This thread is to address your posts, not theirs.
We're still waiting to hear exactly how many "fabricated" family members you have, Whooter. Please explain.
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viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31450&p=384362&hilit=sons+plural#p384362 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31450&p=384362&hilit=sons+plural#p384362)
If people are interested in why I wrote the posts that I did then this is the thread to ask me.
OK...We're asking.
Oh FFS.....the whole reason he started this ridiculous thread is because he KNOWS his credibility is shot. Someone new came along who seems genuinely interested in how programs "work" and what the fallout is from them. Whooter knows he's caught and he's trying to explain his sock puppetry away and save face.
It ain't working and people ain't buying it. :deal: :twofinger:
You are partially right, Anne. There has been a lot of trolling out in the forum of people asking me questions about my past posts.. "fabricated son" etc. So I thought if people had a question about a specific post I could redirect it here and avoid having the thread derailed with a topic most people are not interested in.
I think it will help on many levels.
Fabricated sons. Plural. Or fabricated daughter, singular. Which is it?
You started this thread to clean up your lies and explain yourself, Whooter. Why are you attacking Anne instead of addressing those posts you wrote?
Do you have two "fabricated sons" or one "fabricated daughter"?
Just answer and we can move on. If you want to start threads attacking Anne Bonney, go ahead and start them in trhe "OFFA" section. This thread is to address your posts, not theirs.
We're still waiting to hear exactly how many "fabricated" family members you have, Whooter. Please explain.
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We're still waiting to hear exactly how many "fabricated" family members you have, Whooter. Please explain.
DJ, It helps if there is a link to what you are referring to.
I believe you are referring toThis (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=344767#p344767) post:
I have sons and daughters. I have a daughter who attended Swift River academy. None of my other children went to a program.
There was a woman named “WorriedAnne” who posted about her sons experience here on fornits and she got ganged up on by many anti-program people here calling her son gay. Some people were pretending to be survivors who knew her son and told some pretty disgusting stories. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=344472#p344472)
I posted as a guest and pretended to have a son in the same program that her son went to. I did this to add support and try to offset the other posters who were pretending to be survivors in her sons program.
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I posted as a guest and pretended to have a son in the same program that her son went to.
Most people would call that "lying." What else have you lied about? How many of your family members are "fabricated"?
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I posted as a guest and pretended to have a son in the same program that her son went to.
Most people would call that "lying." What else have you lied about? How many of your family members are "fabricated"?
I understand that many people would not do what I did and it is considered lying. I took it upon myself to intervene in a situation where I felt this woman was being unjustly hammered and was vulnerable to ridicule. I understood at the time I posted that it wasn't truthful but I think I helped a woman feel a little better and I stand by my posts.
As far as my family members go, none of them are fabricated. They are all very real.
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As far as my family members go, none of them are fabricated. They are all very real.
No, they aren't.
I fabricated a son
So, what else have you been lying about?
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Yes Whooter, let's use this opportunity to discuss all of your other many lies.
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Thanks everyone for participating and expressing your opinions. We may not all agree but I think we can let the readers decide the outcome and walk away with a new perspective. The important thing is that we had an adult discussion for the most part and were able to complete a cycle of conversation without a flame war in the midst of many opposing views on a very heated topic.
My hat is off to everyone for keeping the insults at the wayside for the most part.
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Yes Whooter, let's use this opportunity to discuss all of your other many lies.
The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss. This way we can all take a look.
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Thank you Whooter for your opinions. Of course keeping the insults out of it, yaa, you repeatedly called me a liar based on your opinions. So of course I'm sure that the insult part of your thanks was with you excluded. I find being called a liar very insulting, well, if someone I had any respect for was doing it.
So far you are the only one who has been caught and is admittedly a liar. Liar.
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Thanks everyone for participating and expressing your opinions. We may not all agree but I think we can let the readers decide the outcome and walk away with a new perspective. The important thing is that we had an adult discussion for the most part and were able to complete a cycle of conversation without a flame war in the midst of many opposing views on a very heated topic.
My hat is off to everyone for keeping the insults at the wayside for the most part.
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By many opposing views you meant your view and the view that opposes yours? That would be one opposition. Most people mean more than one by many. But I think I'm starting to get a handle on your level of communication. Seriously, I'm just trying to help when I say if you have received any sort of educational degree you should go get your money back, even if it was just a GED.
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Thanks everyone for participating and expressing your opinions. We may not all agree but I think we can let the readers decide the outcome and walk away with a new perspective. The important thing is that we had an adult discussion for the most part and were able to complete a cycle of conversation without a flame war in the midst of many opposing views on a very heated topic.
My hat is off to everyone for keeping the insults at the wayside for the most part.
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By many opposing views you meant your view and the view that opposes yours? That would be one opposition. Most people mean more than one by many. But I think I'm starting to get a handle on your level of communication. Seriously, I'm just trying to help when I say if you have received any sort of educational degree you should go get your money back, even if it was just a GED.
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Geesh, Gonzo, calm down. I know you are new here but dont take it so personally. The thread was moved to the Offa section where not many people read. By tomorrow everyone will forget that you lied and there is no reason for me to bring it up again. The petty attacks make you seem very immature. It really doesnt matter to the readers if you have a Phd or a GED so dont get hung up on that, its your opinion and experience that matters. The thread we were discussing in brought up many interesting points and you contributed to that and people read your point of view. Try sticking around and contributing more. With your background in WWASP programs you can add a lot to the discussions here. Just try to be more tolerant towards people who disagree with you in the future and back off on the personal attacks and you will do fine.
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Thanks everyone for participating and expressing your opinions. We may not all agree but I think we can let the readers decide the outcome and walk away with a new perspective. The important thing is that we had an adult discussion for the most part and were able to complete a cycle of conversation without a flame war in the midst of many opposing views on a very heated topic.
My hat is off to everyone for keeping the insults at the wayside for the most part.
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By many opposing views you meant your view and the view that opposes yours? That would be one opposition. Most people mean more than one by many. But I think I'm starting to get a handle on your level of communication. Seriously, I'm just trying to help when I say if you have received any sort of educational degree you should go get your money back, even if it was just a GED.
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Geesh, Gonzo, calm down. I know you are new here but dont take it so personally. The thread was moved to the Offa section where not many people read. By tomorrow everyone will forget that you lied and there is no reason for me to bring it up again. The petty attacks make you seem very immature. It really doesnt matter to the readers if you have a Phd or a GED so dont get hung up on that, its your opinion and experience that matters. The thread we were discussing in brought up many interesting points and you contributed to that and people read your point of view. Try sticking around and contributing more. With your background in WWASP programs you can add a lot to the discussions here. Just try to be more tolerant towards people who disagree with you in the future and back off on the personal attacks and you will do fine.
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You forgot to call him "Grasshopper". Geesh, Whooter, what part of Gonzo's posts made you think he would be receptive to any advice from the likes of you? He correctly pointed out already that you are a douche.
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You forgot to call him "Grasshopper". Geesh, Whooter, what part of Gonzo's posts made you think he would be receptive to any advice from the likes of you? He correctly pointed out already that you are a douche.
Grasshopper! Lol. The guy is a little young, Shady, and he expresses his frustration with attacking people verbally. This is typical and I know he would never admit it but the advice will come in handy for him. I just want him to do well here, stick around and contribute more. He just needs to get over his first few days here and stop getting defensive when others disagree with him. As he matures and gets use to the people in the forum more, the personal attacks will subside. There are many people here who will support his point of view so he will feel comfortable fairly quickly.
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You forgot to call him "Grasshopper". Geesh, Whooter, what part of Gonzo's posts made you think he would be receptive to any advice from the likes of you? He correctly pointed out already that you are a douche.
Grasshopper! Lol. The guy is a little young, Shady, and he expresses his frustration with attacking people verbally. This is typical and I know he would never admit it but the advice will come in handy for him. I just want him to do well here, stick around and contribute more. He just needs to get over his first few days here and stop getting defensive when others disagree with him. As he matures and gets use to the people in the forum more, the personal attacks will subside. There are many people here who will support his point of view so he will feel comfortable fairly quickly.
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Look whooter, how do you define blatantly calling me a liar, over and over and over. If that is not a personal attack I don't know what is. My problem with you is that you obviously have an agenda here, and it is a sick one. And I make a remark like that and you suddenly think that proves I am a liar because I have an opinion on your motives. Please keep attempting to condescend, and don't pretend like you know from where and how I came to be. I resort to calling you a douche because you resort to advertising it. Your a douche. Plain and simple. ::deadhorse::
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Yes Whooter, let's use this opportunity to discuss all of your other many lies.
The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss. This way we can all take a look.
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Fair enough.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=30899&p=372875&hilit=weeks#p372875
Bruce, you only attended HLA for a few weeks. You defined abuse as being forced to clean up the front lawn and losing your dessert privileges.
Your entire statement was a lie. My question to you now is what your motivation for telling such lies was?
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The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss. This way we can all take a look.
Then you're finally ready to provide the link where I supposedly said that I "embellished my stories" and that "Straight helped me", right??
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Yes Whooter, let's use this opportunity to discuss all of your other many lies.
The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss. This way we can all take a look.
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Fair enough.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=30899&p=372875&hilit=weeks#p372875
Bruce, you only attended HLA for a few weeks. You defined abuse as being forced to clean up the front lawn and losing your dessert privileges.
Your entire statement was a lie. My question to you now is what your motivation for telling such lies was?
That post was entirely true. I base this on the various posts here on fornits, your accounts from when you first started posting here and other people who knew you at HLA and posted here also. We both know that I am not lying, plus you tried to black mail me into changing my posts.
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That post was entirely true. I base this on the various posts here on fornits, your accounts from when you first started posting here and other people who knew you at HLA and posted here also. We both know that I am not lying, plus you tried to black mail me into changing my posts.
Whooter it was not true at all. I would ask you to provide a single link verifying any part of your claim. We both know that you are lying Whooter, me because I was there and I know what actually happened, and you because you know you made it up. Add that to the fact that I have never tried to blackmail you into anything, nor have I ever asked you to change your posts. I asked you to either back up your claims, or admit you made them up. Something you have still yet to do. I then simply informed you of consequences for your lies. Consequences that were made good on. I have no idea what the eventual fall out of my actions were, but in truth I also honestly don't care. You however have attempted to blackmail me, with no success. Now you said a few weeks ago that you wanted to have a civil discussion, I appreciated the gesture and have maintained that same degree of civility towards you. I will continue to do so, however at this point I think it's past time for you to put up or shut up.
1. Find a single post from me, or a post quoting me with a corresponding edited post verifying any of the information you're claiming I've said.
2. Find a post from someone claiming to have been at HLA at the same time I was who can verify your claim with corroborating evidence to show they actually know who I am.
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1. Find a single post from me, or a post quoting me with a corresponding edited post verifying any of the information you're claiming I've said.
2. Find a post from someone claiming to have been at HLA at the same time I was who can verify your claim with corroborating evidence to show they actually know who I am.
Sorry, Bruce, You have been trolling me for years. It is time for you to put up or shut-up. Provide the post where I said I was John Reuben. Provide the post that says I admit to working for the industry. Provide a post where I say "No abuse ever occurred in a program". I put up with your lies and BS for years, buddy, and I finally was able to tell some truths about you and it bugged the shit out of you. I know as a fact that you only attended HLA for a few weeks. We both know this is true but you dont know what posts I have to prove it. It bugged you so much that you threatened to email innocent people to keep me quiet.
Try to do a search if you like, you may find it, but if you edit it I have a copy and you will leave an edit stamp. but that comes later.
For starters:
1. Provide the post where I stated I was John Reuben.
2. Provide the post where I stated that I work for the industry.
3. Provide the post where I sated that "No one ever was abused in a program".
You have been saying these things for years. Its time for you to provide the evidence. Then we will talk about you.
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Sorry, Bruce, You have been trolling me for years. It is time for you to put up or shut-up. Provide the post where I said I was John Reuben. Provide the post that says I admit to working for the industry. Provide a post where I say "No abuse ever occurred in a program". I put up with your lies and BS for years, buddy, and I finally was able to tell some truths about you and it bugged the shit out of you. I know as a fact that you only attended HLA for a few weeks. We both know this is true but you dont know what posts I have to prove it. It bugged you so much that you threatened to email innocent people to keep me quiet.
Try to do a search if you like, you may find it, but if you edit it I have a copy and you will leave an edit stamp. but that comes later
Nope. I know you hate accountability Whooter but we're not moving forward until you own up to your comments. You've already gotten the link. Either put up or shut up. Back up your claims or admit you lied. Your choice, but we're not moving forward until you do.
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Sorry, Bruce, You have been trolling me for years. It is time for you to put up or shut-up. Provide the post where I said I was John Reuben. Provide the post that says I admit to working for the industry. Provide a post where I say "No abuse ever occurred in a program". I put up with your lies and BS for years, buddy, and I finally was able to tell some truths about you and it bugged the shit out of you. I know as a fact that you only attended HLA for a few weeks. We both know this is true but you dont know what posts I have to prove it. It bugged you so much that you threatened to email innocent people to keep me quiet.
Try to do a search if you like, you may find it, but if you edit it I have a copy and you will leave an edit stamp. but that comes later
Nope. I know you hate accountability Whooter but we're not moving forward until you own up to your comments. You've already gotten the link. Either put up or shut up. Back up your claims or admit you lied. Your choice, but we're not moving forward until you do.
I think you knew eventually this day would come when you would be caught. There is no way out for you. You lied about me for years and now the lies you told about yourself have caught up to you.
You can continue to troll me if you like, if that is what floats your boat, but there is no responding to you from me. You can take your questions to someone else.
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Once again your usual MO shines right through Whooter. You can't back up your claims, you've been caught in a lie, so you run off tail tucked between your legs. I expected nothing less from you.
I on the other hand have never once lied about you. Every claim I have ever made against you is true, and can be proven. Every single one. Case closed.
You're a liar Whooter. Own up to it, back up your claims or deal with the consequences. Your choice once again. No matter how it plays out I win.
Take a look at these scenarios:
1. You grow a pair and actually attempt to back up your claims (the most unlikely scenario). Your non existent evidence comes to light as just that, since none of it was ever true to begin with, you walk away with egg on your face looking stupid and shamed.
2. You admit you lied, which you did. You still walk away with egg on your face, you still look stupid and shamed and people have one more reason to call you a liar.
3. You display your usual cowardice and try to avoid the entire situation by refusing to discuss your lies. People see you as a coward because you can't back up your claims, a liar for making things up, and stupid for thinking people would actually believe your nonsense.
No matter what you choose I still win, because I was always right. No Whooter, you have never "bugged the shit out of me" I've told you many times over the years. I get a huge kick out of holding you accountable, only because I know you hate it so much.
Time to pay the piper Whooter. Put up shut up, or face the consequences. Your choice, but we're not moving forward until you do.
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1. Find a single post from me, or a post quoting me with a corresponding edited post verifying any of the information you're claiming I've said.
2. Find a post from someone claiming to have been at HLA at the same time I was who can verify your claim with corroborating evidence to show they actually know who I am.
Sorry, Bruce, You have been trolling me for years. It is time for you to put up or shut-up. Provide the post where I said I was John Reuben. Provide the post that says I admit to working for the industry. Provide a post where I say "No abuse ever occurred in a program". I put up with your lies and BS for years, buddy, and I finally was able to tell some truths about you and it bugged the shit out of you. I know as a fact that you only attended HLA for a few weeks. We both know this is true but you dont know what posts I have to prove it. It bugged you so much that you threatened to email innocent people to keep me quiet.
Try to do a search if you like, you may find it, but if you edit it I have a copy and you will leave an edit stamp. but that comes later.
For starters:
1. Provide the post where I stated I was John Reuben.
2. Provide the post where I stated that I work for the industry.
3. Provide the post where I sated that "No one ever was abused in a program".
You have been saying these things for years. Its time for you to provide the evidence. Then we will talk about you.
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The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss. This way we can all take a look.
Then you're finally ready to provide the link where I supposedly said that I "embellished my stories" and that "Straight helped me", right??
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The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss. This way we can all take a look.
Then you're finally ready to provide the link where I supposedly said that I "embellished my stories" and that "Straight helped me", right??
:beat: :feedtrolls: :beat: :feedtrolls: :beat: :feedtrolls: :beat: :feedtrolls: :ftard:
Whooter is a fucking liar. It's what he does. He gets caught all the time and then he plays stupid games for years to avoid the fact that he lies about everything. He made up his FAMILY for chrissakes. What WOULDN'T he lie about??
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Whooter answer the questions put to you, then we can discuss whatever else you're rambling on about. We're not moving forward though until you do.
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I have posted close to 10,000 posts here on fornits
FALSE. You have posted well over 10,000 posts.
I only have one user-name.
FALSE. You have about a dozen user accounts and over 50 aliases.
"RobertBruce ." I believe I had one (1) post
"Mark DeGroot" Less than 5 I believe
1 or 2 others that dont come to mind right now
Total posts would be under 50.
FALSE, but you stepped in it again anyway by "admitting" something different right here in your "I am a liar" thread. One or both have to be untrue.
I believe I had 4 or 5 names plus the political ones. Maybe 25 posts total.
Can't keep your story straight even for one thread.
The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me
Really??
I posted under "NeilW"
Whoops. Robert got you again.
Seriously, folks, this liar has gotten caught in a half dozen lies in the "Let me explain why I lied so much" thread.[/i]
Look, at this point, after 5 years of continuous lying about everything, nobody cares WHY Whooter lied. The facts are that he has fabricated his entire story here and presented Fornits with some 50 aliases all telling different stories. WHY he did this, nobody cares. The fact that he did this and used all of his aliases to attack other posters, derail threads, etc is all we need to know.
Unfortunately, there's no way to clean up the shitpile of lies Whooter has created. The bottom line is that Whooter is a profligate prevaricator and nothing he says can be believed. Just look at this thread he started to explain all of his lies, yet it also is rife with more lies.
Now that Fornits has new rules that were implemented to control Whooter's behavior he can't operate the way he wants to and realizes the only way for him to continue here is to normalize himself and become part of the "Fornits community." I'm sorry to say this will not happen. It's far too late to undo his legacy and coming forward with even more lies to try to explain away his previous lies is just more of the same.
This thread is officially declared an "Epic Failure."
I fabricated a son
Need we go any further with this charade?
Re-read the above. It's too late for Whooter to recover from the self-inflicted damage. Whooter wouldn't need this thread to explain his phoniness if he weren't so goddamn phony. It's really that simple. This thread exists because Whooter can no longer dodge his reputation. If he could he would have never posted this. It is, by itself, a confession to his phoniness. The rest is academic at this point. Nobody cares.
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Yes Whooter, let's use this opportunity to discuss all of your other many lies.
The general rule is to provide a link to a post that we can discuss. This way we can all take a look.
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Fair enough.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=30899&p=372875&hilit=weeks#p372875
Bruce, you only attended HLA for a few weeks. You defined abuse as being forced to clean up the front lawn and losing your dessert privileges.
Your entire statement was a lie. My question to you now is what your motivation for telling such lies was?
That post was entirely true. I base this on the various posts here on fornits, your accounts from when you first started posting here and other people who knew you at HLA and posted here also. We both know that I am not lying, plus you tried to black mail me into changing my posts.
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According to HLA staff that posted here that worked there when RB was a resident, RB was at HLA for 13 months (it was described as "a little over a year," I believe). I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, just Whooter (an admitted liar) making a silly claim to try to discredit RB who keeps making Whooter look foolish.
Whooter's usual pattern is to attack people that corner him in his lies and he usually accuses them of molesting their own children. He has done this to several posters here on Fornits.
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According to HLA staff that posted here that worked there when RB was a resident, RB was at HLA for 13 months (it was described as "a little over a year," I believe). I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, just Whooter (an admitted liar) making a silly claim to try to discredit RB who keeps making Whooter look foolish.
Whooter's usual pattern is to attack people that corner him in his lies and he usually accuses them of molesting their own children. He has done this to several posters here on Fornits.
I think yo have finally lost it, DJ. lol
But for what it is worth I appreciate you post your foolishness in this thread than to derail the others. I will respond to you here in this thread if you like.
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According to HLA staff that posted here that worked there when RB was a resident, RB was at HLA for 13 months (it was described as "a little over a year," I believe). I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, just Whooter (an admitted liar) making a silly claim to try to discredit RB who keeps making Whooter look foolish.
Whooter's usual pattern is to attack people that corner him in his lies and he usually accuses them of molesting their own children. He has done this to several posters here on Fornits.
I think yo have finally lost it, DJ. lol
But for what it is worth I appreciate you post your foolishness in this thread than to derail the others. I will respond to you here in this thread if you like.
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So, are you denying you say things like this? You said it here:
It isnt going to help you keep your son or erase what you do to him each night. We both know that yet you keep throwing personal attacks at other people hoping the pain will go away.
You are sick Ajax13. Stop molesting and abusing your son. Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family. Its only a forum. Leave your kid in peace.
Yep, accusations of raping children, especially the posters own children, is what you do, Whooter. You have real problems to be posting things like that.
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LOL, okay I am a bad person. You feel better?
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You don't create feelings in me either way. I'm just pointing out the fact that when you get cornered in lies you resort to saying the person who cornered you molests their own children. It's what you do. It takes a sick mind to do that and you have done it many times.
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You don't create feelings in me either way. I'm just pointing out the fact that when you get cornered in lies you resort to saying the person who cornered you molests their own children. It's what you do. It takes a sick mind to do that and you have done it many times.
If that is what you believe then you have that right, DJ. We both know who posts the real sick posts, though, dont we... lol.
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You don't create feelings in me either way. I'm just pointing out the fact that when you get cornered in lies you resort to saying the person who cornered you molests their own children. It's what you do. It takes a sick mind to do that and you have done it many times.
If that is what you believe then you have that right, DJ. We both know who posts the real sick posts, though, dont we... lol.
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Yes, we do. It's you. You accused this guy of being a child fucker because he exposed your lying about AARC when you claimed that Alberta AARC and Calgary AARC were two different things (Calgary is a city in Alberta) while you were posting under an assumed name which was also exposed when your posts were linked together thusly bringing to light your multiple "you fuck your own children" posts.
All this was done because ajax13 embarrassed you by calling you out for not knowing what you were talking about and posing as different people with various logins.
Kinda like how you described another poster being raped at the age of 7 as "unprotected sex" for which she needed to be placed in Straight, Inc. You really need help, man.
You're caught, Whooter. Again. You are a sick, demented freak.
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But you approve of these? whoops lol
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=335866#p335866)
I was abused in a program that the poster whooter recommended to my parents. The staff licked my bottom and forced me to perform oral sex on them my first day there. They made me touch their dogs in places that I don’t want to talk about. I ran away and my parents are suing the program. I am scared for life.
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Making up phony quotes doesn't change what you did does it? Nope. Can't change that now.
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We both know that there is nothing phony about these. Look at the edit stamps. You posted dozens of these DJ. I provide links with my quotes, you dont, big difference. lol. You are a sick person.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=338417#p338417)
Yes, TheWho personally abused me. And now I'm scarred for life. He performed several red-flag touches on the area my bathing suit covers. I tried to turn him in, but ASR wouldn't let me use the phone and told my parents I was a liar. TheWho molested me.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=335866#p335866)
I was abused in a program that the poster whooter recommended to my parents. The staff licked my bottom and forced me to perform oral sex on them my first day there. They made me touch their dogs in places that I don’t want to talk about. I ran away and my parents are suing the program. I am scared for life.
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According to HLA staff that posted here that worked there when RB was a resident, RB was at HLA for 13 months (it was described as "a little over a year," I believe). I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, just Whooter (an admitted liar) making a silly claim to try to discredit RB who keeps making Whooter look foolish.
Whooter's usual pattern is to attack people that corner him in his lies and he usually accuses them of molesting their own children. He has done this to several posters here on Fornits.
I think yo have finally lost it, DJ. lol
But for what it is worth I appreciate you post your foolishness in this thread than to derail the others. I will respond to you here in this thread if you like.
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What's confusing you here Whooter? DJ is dead on his assessment of you. You lie about any poster (myself especially) whenever you're proven wrong or embarrassed (constantly). There is literally no argument you can counter with, you've just been proven as a iiar far too often. You simply cannot back up any of your claims.
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According to HLA staff that posted here that worked there when RB was a resident, RB was at HLA for 13 months (it was described as "a little over a year," I believe). I've never seen any evidence to the contrary, just Whooter (an admitted liar) making a silly claim to try to discredit RB who keeps making Whooter look foolish.
Whooter's usual pattern is to attack people that corner him in his lies and he usually accuses them of molesting their own children. He has done this to several posters here on Fornits.
I think yo have finally lost it, DJ. lol
But for what it is worth I appreciate you post your foolishness in this thread than to derail the others. I will respond to you here in this thread if you like.
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What's confusing you here Whooter? DJ is dead on his assessment of you. You lie about any poster (myself especially) whenever you're proven wrong or embarrassed (constantly). There is literally no argument you can counter with, you've just been proven as a iiar far too often. You simply cannot back up any of your claims.
Nice try, Bruce, We all know it was 3 weeks that you spent at HLA. This has been confirmed. You dont get to play. :(
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Nice try, Bruce, We all know it was 3 weeks that you spent at HLA. This has been confirmed. You dont get to play
When was this confirmed John?
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Nice try, Bruce, We all know it was 3 weeks that you spent at HLA. This has been confirmed. You dont get to play
When was this confirmed John?
You confirmed it yourself (before you edited your post) and we had a visitor from HLA staff who confirmed this also. You remember this well, we both know that. Your attempts at damage control and trying to cover it up just further cements it validity.
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You confirmed it yourself (before you edited your post) and we had a visitor from HLA staff who confirmed this also. You remember this well, we both know that. Your attempts at damage control and trying to cover it up just further cements it validity.
By visitor you mean staff member, don't forget you told on yourself for your HIPPA violation Johnny. While you're denying that I'll look forward to you not providing any edited posts or quotes from anyone anywhere detailing the current lie you're telling. Despite how predictable you are it's still funny to watch you squirm under the hot lamps.
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You confirmed it yourself (before you edited your post) and we had a visitor from HLA staff who confirmed this also. You remember this well, we both know that. Your attempts at damage control and trying to cover it up just further cements it validity.
By visitor you mean staff member, don't forget you told on yourself for your HIPPA violation Johnny. While you're denying that I'll look forward to you not providing any edited posts or quotes from anyone anywhere detailing the current lie you're telling. Despite how predictable you are it's still funny to watch you squirm under the hot lamps.
Relax, Bruce, they are called tanning lamps. Dont get upset. You have not provide one post which I stated I was John reuben. We are all still waiting.
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The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me
Really?
I posted under "NeilW"
Oh.
Classic! I knew I smelled a troll there. Bruce forced Whooter to admit his identity "NeilW" after he denied it for months. Good job, Bruce. Once you chase the troll out in the open you should try to spray it with troll spray or step on it though to keep it from reproducing into 50+ identities like WhooterTroll did. Your mistake was not spraying it when you got it out in the open.
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The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me
Really?
I posted under "NeilW"
Oh.
Classic! I knew I smelled a troll there. Bruce forced Whooter to admit his identity "NeilW" after he denied it for months. Good job, Bruce. Once you chase the troll out in the open you should try to spray it with troll spray or step on it though to keep it from reproducing into 50+ identities like WhooterTroll did. Your mistake was not spraying it when you got it out in the open.
Troll control do you also post as Watchful Yeoman?
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The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me
Really?
I posted under "NeilW"
Oh.
Classic! I knew I smelled a troll there. Bruce forced Whooter to admit his identity "NeilW" after he denied it for months. Good job, Bruce. Once you chase the troll out in the open you should try to spray it with troll spray or step on it though to keep it from reproducing into 50+ identities like WhooterTroll did. Your mistake was not spraying it when you got it out in the open.
The funny thing is that you posted under "NeilW" also. lol No one owned it, it was just an anon name. Just like your 40 or 50 other names. Remember how mad you got when I stole NeilW from you? That was funny.
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The specific post that RobertBruce attributed to me by NeilW below was not written by me
Really?
I posted under "NeilW"
Oh.
Classic! I knew I smelled a troll there. Bruce forced Whooter to admit his identity "NeilW" after he denied it for months. Good job, Bruce. Once you chase the troll out in the open you should try to spray it with troll spray or step on it though to keep it from reproducing into 50+ identities like WhooterTroll did. Your mistake was not spraying it when you got it out in the open.
We all know once a username is used it can't be used by anyone else. I never posted anything as "NeilW" but Whooter admitted it after Bruce forced him out. I still say Bruce shoulda sprayed him!
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We all know once a username is used it can't be used by anyone else. I never posted anything as "NeilW" but Whooter admitted it after Bruce forced him out. I still say Bruce shoulda sprayed him!
Anyone can use any name they want as long as it isnt registered. You used NeilW many times and got pissed when I hijacked it from you. But as far as registered names I only had a few which I pointed out in an earlier thread.
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Whooter wrote
I only had a few dozen
Finally. Some real honesty from you for once. Keep it up sport.
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Whooter wrote
I only had a few dozen
Finally. Some real honesty from you for once. Keep it up sport.
Ah, The truth must really hurt. You needed to alter my post. You forgot that people could make up names on the fly when anon posting in the main forum back then. So one post DJ could be NeilW and the next post you could be NeilW and then me. The facts always trip you and DJ up.
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No, that's not true. Once a name is used it can't be used again. You are "NeilW" like it or not. Sorry. I know you hate being caught in your lies, but you have to be held accountable and stop running away.
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Suck my dick!
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No, that's not true. Once a name is used it can't be used again. You are "NeilW" like it or not. Sorry. I know you hate being caught in your lies, but you have to be held accountable and stop running away.
Again you are wrong, ask the admins, DJ if you like. Take the person who is using the name "Whooters" in this thread. You can log out and then post as whooters yourself if you like. Anyone can use it as long as it is not a registered name.
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No, that's not true. Once a name is used it can't be used again. You are "NeilW" like it or not. Sorry. I know you hate being caught in your lies, but you have to be held accountable and stop running away.
Again you are wrong, ask the admins, DJ if you like. Take the person who is using the name "Whooters" in this thread. You can log out and then post as whooters yourself if you like. Anyone can use it as long as it is not a registered name.
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Again you are wrong, ask the admins, DJ if you like. Take the person who is using the name "Whooters" in this thread. You can log out and then post as whooters yourself if you like. Anyone can use it as long as it is not a registered name.
Well John, you bring up an interesting question. You have several times in the past accused me of being multiple other posters, guest posting, or using sock puppets. All without any evidence whatsoever, and always being wrong. You on the other hand are admittedly guilty of all of those things.
I'm pretty sure all of these new sock puppets Whoooter, Whooters, Your dad, Your mom, et cet, I'm pretty sure they're all you, and you just like trying to blame me for your own actions once again. So why don't we both agree to have our posts linked up and see what happens. Are you game? My count as of right now stands at 4146. Yours for Whooter is at 3815. Wow that's sad. It took you about a year and a half to almost equal what took me almost six years. All your posts and you've still never said anything worth listening to. In any event are you up for it? Let me know.
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So Whooter if you're done trying to flood the boards are you up for the newest challenge?
Well John, you bring up an interesting question. You have several times in the past accused me of being multiple other posters, guest posting, or using sock puppets. All without any evidence whatsoever, and always being wrong. You on the other hand are admittedly guilty of all of those things.
I'm pretty sure all of these new sock puppets Whoooter, Whooters, Your dad, Your mom, et cet, I'm pretty sure they're all you, and you just like trying to blame me for your own actions once again. So why don't we both agree to have our posts linked up and see what happens. Are you game? My count as of right now stands at 4146. Yours for Whooter is at 3815. Wow that's sad. It took you about a year and a half to almost equal what took me almost six years. All your posts and you've still never said anything worth listening to. In any event are you up for it? Let me know
I'm off to do some Christmas shopping but I'll be back later this afternoon. Why don't you see if you can work up some courage in the meantime. As for me Psy has my permission and encouragement to link up any and all guest posts/sock puppets I have made under my username. With this post I should be around 4150. Can't wait to see what happens.
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So Whooter if you're done trying to flood the boards are you up for the newest challenge?
Well John, you bring up an interesting question. You have several times in the past accused me of being multiple other posters, guest posting, or using sock puppets. All without any evidence whatsoever, and always being wrong. You on the other hand are admittedly guilty of all of those things.
I'm pretty sure all of these new sock puppets Whoooter, Whooters, Your dad, Your mom, et cet, I'm pretty sure they're all you, and you just like trying to blame me for your own actions once again. So why don't we both agree to have our posts linked up and see what happens. Are you game? My count as of right now stands at 4146. Yours for Whooter is at 3815. Wow that's sad. It took you about a year and a half to almost equal what took me almost six years. All your posts and you've still never said anything worth listening to. In any event are you up for it? Let me know
I'm off to do some Christmas shopping but I'll be back later this afternoon. Why don't you see if you can work up some courage in the meantime. As for me Psy has my permission and encouragement to link up any and all guest posts/sock puppets I have made under my username. With this post I should be around 4150. Can't wait to see what happens.
So what.
You should be discussing programs today. :peace: :peace: