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Announcements & Tech Support => Web forum hosting => Topic started by: Dysfunction Junction on January 13, 2011, 03:49:08 PM
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If you haven't noticed yet, many threads about abusive teen programs have been deleted by The Gatekeeper (fka Joel).
Most of this content is unique, relevant and uncovers details about how these facilities operate, yet the moderator sees fit to delete them and disallow reportage of the abuses and/or facility troubles.
One recent topic about RCS covered a key staff member with a revoked license. This was unique content and a good PSA for interested parties, but the moderator deleted it.
There seems to be an unwritten rule here akin to the "fairness doctrine" where the moderator decides what content should be posted and attempts to make a moral equivalency between "pro-program" and "anti-program" posters by regulating what can be said by whom.
This is wrong-headed and damaging to the mission of disseminating information to the public.
If you disagree with how the so-called moderator determines what content is fit for consumption and what isn't, be sure to PM or email the administrator of this site to let him know your dissatisfaction with heavy-handed, agenda-driven moderation.
Many thread are no so convoluted due to the modeerator's actions that meaningful information can't even be found because he has broken the pointer links internal to this site and also has destroyed searchablity from outside engine like Google. There are many topics now which get a direct hit in a search engine, but when the link is clicked Fornits reports "The topic doesn't exist" because the moderator has moved them to some random location or simply deleted them. It's clear that Joel does not understand how a databse or search engine work and he should not be destroying site content due to his ignorance.
Don't let the moderator do the work of the industry damage control agents. Report his abuses to the administrator.
PM: psy
mail: [email protected]
Don't let your right to free speech be abridged by Joel.
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UPDATE: As of last night, 1/13/11, the threads were restored when the admin found they were wrongly removed. This issue has been resolved to my satisfaction.
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If you haven't noticed yet, many threads about abusive teen programs have been deleted by The Gatekeeper (fka Joel).
Most of this content is unique, relevant and uncovers details about how these facilities operate, yet the moderator sees fit to delete them and disallow reportage of the abuses and/or facility troubles.
One recent topic about RCS covered a key staff member with a revoked license. This was unique content and a good PSA for interested parties, but the moderator deleted it.
There seems to be an unwritten rule here akin to the "fairness doctrine" where the moderator decides what content should be posted and attempts to make a moral equivalency between "pro-program" and "anti-program" posters by regulating what can be said by whom.
This is wrong-headed and damaging to the mission of disseminating information to the public.
If you disagree with how the so-called moderator determines what content os fit for consumption and what isn't, be sure to PM or email the administrator of this site to let him know your dissatisfaction with heavy-handed, agenda-driven moderation.
He's even said that he doesn't have the power to delete posts but I know for a fact that he's done it to me.
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He has removed several threads today, some of which were months old with several pages of content. Just straight up 86ed them. Whatever the case may be, if he delted them or just moved them, he doesn't possess the requisite understanding of a relational databse reuired to make Fornits coherent. He does a driveby a couple times a day and simply censors what he doesn't want users to post. In each and every case he failed to offer any reason from the rules why the threads were moved, only calling two of them "off topic" even if they were completely on topic or even the only post in the topic.
It has to end. You can't find half of what you're looking for anyomore even if you know where to look. Fornits is circling the drain due to agenda-driven moderation and selective enforcement of the forum rules.
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DJ - I found it in "Open Free For All" along with other posts and threads. A few times I found them in the Drama Box, but that appeas to have ceased.
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He has removed several threads today, some of which were months old with several pages of content. Just straight up 86ed them. Whatever the case may be, if he delted them or just moved them, he doesn't possess the requisite understanding of a relational databse reuired to make Fornits coherent. He does a driveby a couple times a day and simply censors what he doesn't want users to post. In each and every case he failed to offer any reason from the rules why the threads were moved, only calling two of them "off topic" even if they were completely on topic or even the only post in the topic.
It has to end. You can't find half of what you're looking for anyomore even if you know where to look. Fornits is circling the drain due to agenda-driven moderation and selective enforcement of the forum rules.
DJ, my posts get shelved too when I go off topic or post attacks against you or retaliate. IMO you have been very disruptive over the past several days flooding the database with repeat posts, using various user names and you started a dozen or two new threads on the same topic of Ridge Creek School. Your intent appeared to be disruptive in nature and not informative to the readers. On one thread in particular I was trying to have a conversation with Jill Ryan and you continuously posted an off topic post about my "fiduciary responsibilities" and various other repeat posts in an attempt to stop our dialog.
Every-time you get outed or frustrated you try to blame others i.e. moderators, myself.
I understand it is frustrating, it is for me sometimes too when I have had my posts moved because I said something off topic or out of anger and I have also voiced my displeasure to the moderators at the time. But in all fairness they are just doing their jobs and trying their best to keep the flow of conversation and information going. Step back, like I do, and take a look at what you have posted over the past 2 days and I think you will see what I mean.
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Whooter and the gatekeeper? Scary tag team. Keep it up whoot, you're doing wonders for his image.An endorsment from you should carry a lot of weight around here.
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Whooter and the gatekeeper? Scary tag team. Keep it up whoot, you're doing wonders for his image.An endorsment from you should carry a lot of weight around here.
Ha,Ha,Ha, yea I know its like the kiss of death if I say something nice about someone. Every-time I take someones side in an argument they never return to fornits again lol. But we are all in the same boat, we have all had our posts moved when they are off topic. The difference is that I take a step back count to ten and realize that I was off topic or attacking people when I should not have been. Its not easy to be held accountable when you have made a mistake. I have been warned and banned from fornits a few times so I am no stranger to breaking the rules and being held accountable. Try to see it from the moderators perspective and read some of the stuff that is being posted here.
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DJ - I found it in "Open Free For All" along with other posts and threads. A few times I found them in the Drama Box, but that appeas to have ceased.
And that's the problem, Jill. When someone does a search and the results are displayed when they click the link to Fornits they get the message "The topic does not exist" because Joel moved the posts and the pointers don't get updated.
Most users will stop there. They aren't going to manually search threads to try to find whatever they were looking for. We know where to look and we still can't find a lot of it. Most threads that Joel inserts himself into end up FUBARed to the point where you can't follow them and information gets buried.
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DJ - I found it in "Open Free For All" along with other posts and threads. A few times I found them in the Drama Box, but that appeas to have ceased.
I agree, Jill, They are easy to find. I just check in the "Open Free For All" or search on a key word to locate them. But basically if they have been moved its because they were duplicates or attack posts and don't need to be there. Moving threads that were written today or referred to today is not going to affect the past posts or the original locations. The database search engine will not be affected because the past posts have not been altered.
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Many thread are no so convoluted due to the modeerator's actions that meaningful information can't even be found because he has broken the pointer links internal to this site and also has destroyed searchablity from outside engine like Google. There are many topics now which get a direct hit in a search engine, but when the link is clicked Fornits reports "The topic doesn't exist" because the moderator has moved them to some random location or simply deleted them. It's clear that Joel does not understand how a databse or search engine work and he should not be destroying site content due to his ignorance.
DJ, I think you are overreacting a bit and dont understand how a database works. If you cut and paste or reference an older post that is in the database into a new thread and that thread is considered a duplicate and relocated into the OFFA by a moderator this does not affect the original relationships of the post to the thread and forum it resides in (from a search-ability standpoint). All the google searches which worked yesterday on fornits will still work today.
All those threads you flooded the database with over the last day or two would not be in the google search engine anyway, DJ. Do you have an example of a link that has been broken by moving a thread?
The first step in solving any issue is providing an example of what you are frustrated with so everyone can take a look at the problem. Lets take a step back and take a look at the broken link, as viewed from Google, which would interrupt a search here on fornits or a broken link which was damaged internally. Do you have an example of what you are talking about? I think that you may be confused and are taking your frustration out on the moderators.
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If it were just me maybe you'd have a case, Joel. Many others have said the same things. You simply seem unable to perform your duties properly. Before when you were screwing up the forums Psy told us you were in training (like potty training I suppose), but that was months ago and you're still shitting in your pants.
It's time for Ginger to find some new help.
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If it were just me maybe you'd have a case, Joel. Many others have said the same things. You simply seem unable to perform your duties properly. Before when you were screwing up the forums Psy told us you were in training (like potty training I suppose), but that was months ago and you're still shitting in your pants.
It's time for Ginger to find some new help.
So that means you cannot provide an example of what you are talking about. Where is the link?.... (wheres the Beef!!)
From the first post you have never provided any evidence or a link to what you are saying, DJ. How do expect anyone to defend themselves without evidence?
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I used this post because it was relevant. Come on guys, let up a bit.
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Re: Joel, That's Who
New postby Samara » December 6th, 2010, 3:46 pm
This is all, as Shaggy just said in another OFFA topic, playing into Whoot's hands. As an alternative, what if we just discussed objectively improving the moderation process, instead of bashing Joel in highly inflammatory threads.
(Samara I used you post, hope you didn't mind)
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Heretik, I think we agree here. The frustration should not be taken out on the moderators, we should try to stay with the discussion and just walk away if we feel overwhelmed. Bashing the moderators just makes the poster look bad. Here is another from the same thread that you posted from:
No, it's not just you, none-ya. Joel is back to hack-monkeying the forum again today. He has fucked up various topics by slicing and dicing posts and depositing content he approves of into random threads where they don't even fit or belong.so that what remains is unintelligible. Also when you Google certain terms that come up near the top of the hit list, when you click the links you find idiot-boy has moved or deleted the thread so the pointers don't even work.
Joel has single-handedly reduced the traffic flow to Fornits by fucking up threads and topics so badly they can't even be followed by those of us who know what to look for, much less somebody looking for information via search. It' a fucking mess now.
I understand he has been potty training for a while now, but he keeps shitting all over the house. He's not learning.
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=392365#p392365)
But DJ never provided a link to the problem. Its the guys MO, Heretik. He cries about me left and right and posts comments that he claims I made but never provides a link... why is that do you think?
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If it were just me maybe you'd have a case, Joel. Many others have said the same things. You simply seem unable to perform your duties properly. Before when you were screwing up the forums Psy told us you were in training (like potty training I suppose), but that was months ago and you're still shitting in your pants.
It's time for Ginger to find some new help.
DJ:
Main issue here is you throw a tantrum when you're not getting your way, or at least you're preparing for the possibility that you might not get your way. The other day, you threatened me via PM, that if I didn't decide in a certain way on the Whooter contract ban, you would "expose" me. Your evidence was my words twisted around to change their meaning, exactly like Whooter does. Ends justify the means, huh? You know damn well what I meant when I said, for example, Whooter was a catalyst for discussion on the forum. Most people would admit that. When he's gone, there is much less discussion. It's pretty much a fact at this point.
I wanted to make you fully aware of what could happen if you proceed, and the risks to forum discussion. Yes, I politely asked that you create parody sockpuppets to take his place (to present the program side of the argument for dissection, like old times), but never, ever did I even imply we should try to deceive the forum into thinking that you were an ed-con or something which is what you threatened to accuse me of publicly. In addition to being highly unethical, such would inevitably result in sock-puppetry, which is a rule violation. If you accuse me of lying now, I ask you to give me permission to release those PMs in full. I have no doubt this is exactly how you are behaving with Gatekeeper now, and I have received 0 emails complaining about him so far for the record.
You can't just decide to overthrow the moderator every time he disagrees with you. Use the appeals process.
Everybody else:
If threads have been moved in error, as a moderator directly why, and appeal it to me if you really feel that badly about it. It could be a mistake. Nobody is perfect. It could be there was a good reason to move the post (rule violation, for instance), and you need to appeal before it's moved back. This is how the system was designed to function (appeals) if you use it. There is no need to demand heads on a platter.
Also keep in mind that PHPBB forums sometimes go out of "sync" and posts made sometimes don't show up. This doesn't mean they're gone. It just means the I need to do some thing in the control panel to bring it out of limbo. Gatekeeper does have delete permissions for offa (only). This is publicly available knowledge (stated on forum description) and is only to be used for spam. If something else was deleted and you believe it was intentional, i'll check it out for you as logs are kept which the moderator cannot modify.
Personally, I think gatekeeper has done a great job.
Oh. and BTW. this thread is off-topic, and it's going in Web Forum Hosting.
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I used this post because it was relevant. Come on guys, let up a bit.
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Re: Joel, That's Who
New postby Samara » December 6th, 2010, 3:46 pm
This is all, as Shaggy just said in another OFFA topic, playing into Whoot's hands. As an alternative, what if we just discussed objectively improving the moderation process, instead of bashing Joel in highly inflammatory threads.
(Samara I used you post, hope you didn't mind)
Totally agree. I'm up to modifying the system a little, and if i don't take a certain suggestion, i'll at least explain why.
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Well, the proof is in the pudding, isn't it. After Whooter spent all night on Fornits trying to deny the facts all of the threads were restored. All I had to do was play with my kid and hit the rack early. That was easy.
Obviously, the gatekeeper made a mistake again and was overruled again.
My point once more is that if the gatekeeper actually knew the rules and followed them, none of this would have happened and he would not have had to publicly reverse himself and smear egg on Whooter's face one more time. " Ha,Ha,Ha..."
@psy - you might want to reread your pms and revise what you said above. Reread where you told me I had to "promise" to do something and you will see your statements above are not accurate. That's all I have to say on that subject.
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Well, the proof is in the pudding, isn't it. After Whooter spent all night on Fornits trying to deny the facts all of the threads were restored. All I had to do was play with my kid and hit the rack early. That was easy.
Obviously, the gatekeeper made a mistake again and was overruled again.
My point once more is that if the gatekeeper actually knew the rules and followed them, none of this would have happened and he would not have had to publicly reverse himself and smear egg on Whooter's face one more time. " Ha,Ha,Ha..."
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Yep, that's right Whooter. All of the threads are restored despite your impotent all-night protestations. I was right all along and Joel was overruled and had to restore the threads. How sad you spent all night on it and still came up short, huh? I guess when you have a fabricated family you have some extra time.
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Yep, that's right Whooter. All of the threads are restored despite your impotent all-night protestations. I was right all along and Joel was overruled and had to restore the threads. How sad you spent all night on it and still came up short, huh? I guess when you have a fabricated family you have some extra time.
I think you have finally lost it DJ.
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psy wrote;
"You can't just decide to overthrow the moderator every time he disagrees with you."
Yea but the moderator shouldn't bury your posts just because HE don't agree with them.
" I have received 0 emails complaining about him so far for the record".
Maybe not emails, but I do know you've received pms on his incompetence, because complained to you myself.
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I actually won it, Whooter. All threads are restored over your impotent protestations. You lost it. I won it. See the difference? ; )
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I actually won it, Whooter. All threads are restored over your impotent protestations. You lost it. I won it. See the difference? ; )
Okay, DJ, I think we all understand. I hope today goes a little better for you.
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psy also said;
"Gatekeeper does have delete permissions for offa (only). This is publicly available knowledge (stated on forum description) and is only to be used for spam."
Well have you seen the offa forum latley? It's full of spam and porn again. Maybe the gatekeeper should worry more about his job , and less about trying to edit and censor people with legit points to make. Please don't suggest that nobody has complained about this before.He personally attacked me and had his friends and family (i was told that che was his brother)
chime in with threats andinsults when I questioned his objectivity (and still do) having been staff at a program. They are the same lot still going after me in offa. Please don't make like this is news to you.
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After reading this thread, two comments:
If what DJ says is true in regard to the corruption of links from google » fornits, that is a legitimate consideration.
And, the spam in the offa forum is a drag; i suggest more thorough deletion or the implementation of captcha again (as a preventative measure).
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After reading this thread, two comments:
If what DJ says is true in regard to the corruption of links from google » fornits, that is a legitimate consideration.
And, the spam in the offa forum is a drag; i suggest more thorough deletion or the implementation of captcha again (as a preventative measure).
He is just frustrated, Frod, and gets tired of only having me to attack so he goes after the moderators sometimes. If there were problems he would have presented a link to show us or the moderators what he is talking about. He is very familiar with how to use a "link" or screen shot. When he leaves this out we all know it is a non-problem or something he is making up to get attention, which he succeeded in doing. He needs some time to calm down and we will be back on track in a day or two.
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After reading this thread, two comments:
If what DJ says is true in regard to the corruption of links from google » fornits, that is a legitimate consideration.
And, the spam in the offa forum is a drag; i suggest more thorough deletion or the implementation of captcha again (as a preventative measure).
This is the whole point, Frod. Joel was busy deleting threads that he called "flooding" in this thread, but, for example, this thread (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=32826) was posted nearly a month ago and had only two posts in it, yet because Joel is not a deliberate, thoughtful person, he didn't read it or understand its context or even look at the date it was created - he just deleted it.
So, firstly, that's a problem because there was no rule violation and how can a thread be a "flood" if its a month old with two posts? And, secondly, it was the number one Google return for "ridge creek assault" but, because Joel 86ed it extrajudicially, outside the rules, when you clicked the link in Google, you got "The requested topic does not exist."
In my opinion, this is doing the dirtywork of the industry trolls like Whooter by effectively burying a child rape report along with its source document, the DHS report.
So because Joel wanted to exercise his mod power to the end of continuing his personal battles with posters who criticize him, he put children at risk. That is small thinking, petty, selfish and wrong. Joel is not cut out for the job because he uses his power to advance a personal agenda and each time he does it, he gets his wrist slapped and has to put back the all the posts, but not until there is some big to-do over it and Psy has to step in to jerk his leash.
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The thread was not deleted, DJ, its still there. Your example failed, click on your own link. Show us the links that you claim are broken. You are trying to blame people for events that did not occur.
You have already been proven wrong and all of this is just a fit you are having.
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I don't need to explain anything to you. I explained it to the people that matter, they agreed and the posts are restored. You're just a forum troll and you don't matter.
Like I said...proof is in the pudding. Take your case back to the admin if you don't like the results. You cried to them and made complaints and thought you "won" but you "lost." They agreed with me. Get over it and move on.
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DJ, calm down, now. You are just getting mad because you tried to provide a link to support your argument and it fell through and made you look bad. I dont think you are going to get too far trying to convince the readers that we all stayed up all night repairing the database while you slept. Or maybe it was little elves who repaired it while all of us slept? lol
Okay lets look at the facts now:
1. You have not provided any evidence where you claimed that links were broken by Joel. (
not even one example)
2. You have not provided a link to where an admin said you were right (there is nothing to that effect in this thread) and
3. You have not provided any proof of people staying up all night repairing the database for you.[/list]
All this is in your head, DJ. You have not given the readers anything, go back and look for yourself.
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Blah, blah, blah. Are the threads restored? Why, yes, they are. How did that happen? I guess the elves did it overnight. Despite your impotent ramblings, the threads were put back into their original places.
I provided the "evidence" to the admin, Whooter. I don't need to show you anything. You can get it via a request in PM if you like. ; )
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Blah, blah, blah. Are the threads restored? Why, yes, they are. How did that happen? I guess the elves did it overnight. Despite your impotent ramblings, the threads were put back into their original places.
I provided the "evidence" to the admin, Whooter. I don't need to show you anything. You can get it via a request in PM if you like. ; )
So you are going with the elves fixing the database at night theory... lol.. good choice. I just wanted to be clear for the readers, no evidence or links just fairies working together to fix a problem that was in your head.
This is by far one of your better threads, DJ.
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Well the threads were gone yesterday and they're "magically" back today. I don't care of it was elves or the Chupacabra that did it.
The important thing is that , despite your constant complaints to the admin, the threads are restored to their proper forum, over your impotent objections :soapbox: . I guess the admin saw through your complaints :deal: . Go figure. You can keep crying to them that "DJ this!" :waaaa: or "DJ that!" :waaaa: but the bottom line is they didn't believe you :feedtrolls: and they put the posts back :cheers: :nods: . Now you have egg on your face again :agree: . If you're upset :waaaa: , take it up with the site admin :twofinger: .
I will respond to requests via PM for the "evidence" I provided. Anyone who wants to PM me can have it.
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You're an idiot, Whooter. I don't need to explain anything to you. I explained it to the people that matter, they agreed and the posts are restored. You're just a forum troll and you don't matter.
Like I said...proof is in the pudding. Take your case back to the admin if you don't like the results. You cried to them and made complaints and thought you "won" but you "lost." They agreed with me. Get over it and move on.
Thank-You DJ.... :tup:
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Well the threads were gone yesterday and they're "magically" back today. I don't care of it was elves or the Chupacabra that did it.
The important thing is that , despite your constant complaints to the admin, the threads are restored to their proper forum, over your impotent objections :soapbox: . I guess the admin saw through your complaints :deal: . Go figure. You can keep crying to them that "DJ this!" :waaaa: or "DJ that!" :waaaa: but the bottom line is they didn't believe you :feedtrolls: and they put the posts back :cheers: :nods: . Now you have egg on your face again :agree: . If you're upset :waaaa: , take it up with the site admin :twofinger: .
I will respond to requests via PM for the "evidence" I provided. Anyone who wants to PM me can have it.
Calm down, DJ, we will go with your "elf theory" if it means that much to you. The last thing anyone wants is you going off again and flooding the forum like yesterday because I disagreed with you.
DJ:
Main issue here is you throw a tantrum when you're not getting your way
I second that.
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You're an idiot, Whooter. I don't need to explain anything to you. I explained it to the people that matter, they agreed and the posts are restored. You're just a forum troll and you don't matter.
Like I said...proof is in the pudding. Take your case back to the admin if you don't like the results. You cried to them and made complaints and thought you "won" but you "lost." They agreed with me. Get over it and move on.
Thank-You DJ.... :tup:
My pleasure, heretik.
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So page 3 and DJ still provides no evidence..... Hmmm. All we have is DJ claiming elves visited the Database while he slept.
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Well the threads were gone yesterday and they're "magically" back today. I don't care of it was elves or the Chupacabra that did it.
The important thing is that , despite your constant complaints to the admin, the threads are restored to their proper forum, over your impotent objections :soapbox: . I guess the admin saw through your complaints :deal: . Go figure. You can keep crying to them that "DJ this!" :waaaa: or "DJ that!" :waaaa: but the bottom line is they didn't believe you :feedtrolls: and they put the posts back :cheers: :nods: . Now you have egg on your face again :agree: . If you're upset :waaaa: , take it up with the site admin :twofinger: .
I will respond to requests via PM for the "evidence" I provided. Anyone who wants to PM me can have it.
If you have a problem with the admin decision to restore the threads you cried about all day, take it up with them, Whooter. It's pretty simple. Nobody owes you an explanation about anything. As I said, I will explain anything anyone wants if they PM me. If not, tough luck. Figure it out yourself. Stop being such a butt-hurt baby when you don't get your way, Whooter. It's unbecoming.
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If you have a problem with the admin decision to restore the threads you cried about all day, take it up with them, Whooter. It's pretty simple. Nobody owes you an explanation about anything. As I said, I will explain anything anyone wants if they PM me. If not, tough luck. Figure it out yourself. Stop being such a butt-hurt baby when you don't get your way, Whooter. It's unbecoming.
Its your thread, DJ, its your tears. I am just pointing out that the admins said you were just throwing a tantrum and no problem existed. You started this thread , no one else did, but you failed to provide any evidence of a problem. I noticed that you are starting to create many more threads on the forum as a way of dealing with your frustration of being outed and embarrassed. You threw this same fit when a poster reported you as being fired by HLA when they exposed you as a drug dealer and felon. Then you started advising people to lie to their employers because you got fired on the spot.
Why do you always blame other people for your own mistakes? This seems to be your MO and once again this thread is evidence of that.
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Well the threads were gone yesterday and they're "magically" back today. I don't care of it was elves or the Chupacabra that did it.
The important thing is that , despite your constant complaints to the admin, the threads are restored to their proper forum, over your impotent objections :soapbox: . I guess the admin saw through your complaints :deal: . Go figure. You can keep crying to them that "DJ this!" :waaaa: or "DJ that!" :waaaa: but the bottom line is they didn't believe you :feedtrolls: and they put the posts back :cheers: :nods: . Now you have egg on your face again :agree: . If you're upset :waaaa: , take it up with the site admin :twofinger: .
I will respond to requests via PM for the "evidence" I provided. Anyone who wants to PM me can have it.
If you have a problem with the admin decision to restore the threads you cried about all day, take it up with them, Whooter. It's pretty simple. Nobody owes you an explanation about anything. As I said, I will explain anything anyone wants if they PM me. If not, tough luck. Figure it out yourself. Stop being such a butt-hurt baby when you don't get your way, Whooter. It's unbecoming.
The offer stands. Just PM for the full report.
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The offer stands. Just PM for the full report.
Translated: DJ cried about missing threads which never existed and the admins said he was lying again. If he had evidence he would have posted it. DJ was caught in another lie.
Its easy to supply a link. It looks something like this:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=103722#p103722)
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I don't need to provide anything. I already got my way in case you didn't notice. ; )
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I don't need to provide anything. I already got my way in case you didn't notice. ; )
DJ, nothing has changed except in your mind. You never proved there was a problem and the admins said you were throwing a tantrum for no reason.
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Its easy to supply a link. It looks something like this, DJ:
Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=103722#p103722)
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And miraculously, upon further review, they saw my point and restored all the threads. I'm sorry this upsets you so much. Try taking a step back, like I do, and try again tomorrow with a fresh outlook.
Let's face it, no matter how hard you beat this horse, you didn't get what you wanted and aren't going to get it now either. You cried your eyes out to the mods with some bogus story about flooding, they reacted knee-jerk to it and removed the threads, then after I explained it and gave them the evidence, they restored all the threads you whined about. Now you are still just sniveling. Grow up.
PM for details.
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We are on page 3 of DJ cries: "Oh no! The moderators are helping to cover abuses".
Still no links to proof there was a problem. You cried about missing threads that never existed except for in your mind. Psy asked you to stop crying and throwing a tantrum. GateKeeper gave you a warning....... This is your thread DJ,you created this as your personal crying fest... lol.
Tell us about the elves coming out while you slept, DJ, to repair the problems. That was classic.
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Well the threads were gone yesterday and they're "magically" back today. I don't care of it was elves or the Chupacabra that did it.
The important thing is that , despite your constant complaints to the admin, the threads are restored to their proper forum, over your impotent objections :soapbox: . I guess the admin saw through your complaints :deal: . Go figure. You can keep crying to them that "DJ this!" :waaaa: or "DJ that!" :waaaa: but the bottom line is they didn't believe you :feedtrolls: and they put the posts back :cheers: :nods: . Now you have egg on your face again :agree: . If you're upset :waaaa: , take it up with the site admin :twofinger: .
I will respond to requests via PM for the "evidence" I provided. Anyone who wants to PM me can have it.
Whooter: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa: :waaaa:
Sheesh, Whooter, three pages of "DJ can't provide links" after the matter has been resolved in my favor since the first page. Get used to it. Move on, buddy. This isn't healthy. Try to take a step back, realize you lost and move on with productive conversations somewhere else.
This just makes you look desperate. But we can't go back now, pal. The admin believed me and not you. Sorry this hurts your feelings, but that's the way it is. Neither of us can change it now. You can try appealing again or filing some fresh complaints, but I think they're on to you now and you'll have to provide evidence this time.
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Hmmm.... Still no link. I like your response "Elves came in the middle of the night while we were sleeping and fixed the database" That was classic.
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Although I think it is pretty obvious that DJ is on the up-and-up here, it would be nice at this point if an admin could step in and resolve this.
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Although I think it is pretty obvious that DJ is on the up-and-up here, it would be nice at this point if an admin could step in and resolve this.
...or you could PM DJ, lol.
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Hey, whatever it takes, man. All I know is when I got up this morning I saw you complained all night, but the mods restored my posts anyway. All I had to do was relax, rest and look in the morning. It was like a miracle - all the posts were back, all neat and tidy. I feel refeshed and vindicated!
You seem haggard and disoriented from your long night of sniveling. You can't seem to grasp that you lost again and couldn't get your way no matter how much you cried and cried to the mods. They just didn't believe you in the end I guess.
We all know actions spealk louder than words, and sure as shit, Joel put all my posts back, even after you filed all those complaints. I think you'll have to do some work to get back whatever credibility you had before because now that they caught you lying about "flooding" I don't think they'll be so eager to believe you anymore. Keep your chin up, champ. It's a lesson you needed to learn, but not the end of the world.
Four pages of crying and whining isn't going to turn the clock back and make a new outcome, lol.
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Hey, whatever it takes, man. All I know is when I got up this morning the database was fixed and I saw elves everywhere.
lol, alright DJ. I think you are starting to convince everyone.
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Although I think it is pretty obvious that DJ is on the up-and-up here, it would be nice at this point if an admin could step in and resolve this.
Thanks, Frod. It was resolved last night. All of the posts were restored once it was realized that the links from Google no longer worked, which was my only concern. The mods put the posts back in their original locations and everything works fine again now.
I'm just playing with Whooter. I like making him compulsively post and waste his whole day. And he gets more and more desperate once it sinks in on him that I already got the issue resolved in my favor. It took him two pages to figure it out and the rest is just his regular idiocy and flailing for attention.
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Hey, whatever it takes, man. All I know is when I got up this morning the database was fixed and I saw elves everywhere.
lol, alright DJ. I think you are starting to convince everyone. By the way were they in green suits or red?
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DJ - I found it in "Open Free For All" along with other posts and threads. A few times I found them in the Drama Box, but that appeas to have ceased.
Thanks Jill, The moderators PM'd DJ last night and I think he has calmed down and realized his mistake.
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Last night while I was fixing the databse Whooter tried to have anal intercourse with me against my will!
That's horrible! Did you report it to the moderators, GSE? He has a history of problems like this.
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AWWWW! Nice warm fuzzy feelings all around.
Ok. DJ's not an idiot
OK whooter's not an idiot.
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Last night while I was fixing the databse Whooter tried to have anal intercourse with me against my will!
That's horrible! Did you report it to the moderators, GSE? He has a history of problems like this.
Ha,Ha,Ha finally the real DJ comes out. It took 3 or 4 pages, though.
Sorry, DJ, I was just having some fun with you and see how long it took for you to start posting your porn stuff. I had a bet that I could get you to the edge in a page or two. Since Gatekeeper could not moderate this thread I thought I would take advantage and have a little fun with you... sorry.
Why do you always reference "anal intercourse" or "Rape" when you snap? lol You are a strange little fellow,DJ, and you may have a problem you are not aware of.
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Me, too! He kept telling me "It's a relational database, so you have to have relations with me!" I was horrified. Here I am just an Elf on the night shift doing some tech support to restore DJ's posts and this guy won't leave me alone. He kept trying to have sex with me and he was saying "This isn't rape! Nobody used the word "rape"! This is just flirting!" When he was done he told me not tell anyone or he would have Joel ban me from the database. Can you believe it?
Damn, that elf fetish could be a real problem for Whooter. Moreso for the elves! I feel bad for you guys.
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DJ - I found it in "Open Free For All" along with other posts and threads. A few times I found them in the Drama Box, but that appeas to have ceased.
Thanks Jill, The moderators PM'd DJ last night and I think he has calmed down and realized his mistake.
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After examining what I wrote to you in the pm in question, I realized I did suggest creating a fake ed con account, complete with email address for parents to contact (and be given a lecture on how stupid they are). I was clearly talking about a parody one... something akin to Dr. Fucktard or SIBS, which already exists. I don't see a problem with this. if parents don't read the parody fine print, they deserve a lecture on how easy is to get conned, and it keeps kids out of programs. That being said, when I realized the afore-mentioned problem with the sock-puppetry rules I decided against sending that suggestion and thought i had deleted the sentence. As a result I accused you hastily of making that up. I apologize for that, and parts of what i wrote earlier. I don't believe, however, for a second, that you even considered that i would intentionally decieve a parent and what? refer them to a program? What exactly were you going to accuse me of to get your way?
You know or should know me better than that. I went through a lawsuit rather than simply take a website down and kicked a program in the teeth in the process. I went through a successful domain dispute with Sue Scheff and embarrassed her publicly all over the internet with the truth of her deceptions. That website is still #2 when you google her name. In response she has put up false and misleading statements about me on the internet which most likely affected my ability to get a job, and would continue to do so if I ever changed jobs. That could easily be solved by a quick phone call to Sue Scheff. I would take the website down, I would work for her (we'd work up a story). I could blame my behavior on a fake drug problem. I could probably take Fornits with me in the process. And I would probably make all sorts of money like that cu*t from PV probably did when she went to the dark side. And I could "apologize" to Benchmark and hook up some sort of referral deal. And I could speak at NATSAP... Yet none of this has happened. And you accuse me of taking Whooter's side? As if I like the guy? As if he's cute or something? He defends child abusers and in my view is fully cognizant of what goes on in programs.
You threatened me to get your way and to back up your threat I believe you misrepresented your personal opinions of me and The Gatekeeper... just because you weren't getting you're way with Whooter. I am writing a ruling now. You may still get your way, but this obsession with getting Whooter banned at any costs (see attached) is insane. The forum is not taking sides on matters of truth or falsity. i have explained this to you before, and you should use the warning feature rather than PM. I don't have as much time as you might prefer to read through pages and pages of junk.
Also. The reason I chose The Gatekeeper is because I wanted somebody who had the time and I felt could be objective. You seem to really be the only one with a huge problem with him. (and nun-ya). But how many of you guys have, I dunno, bothered to maybe PM and ask why a certian moderation decision was made. You can appeal it to me, but most of the time, if an error was made, it can be resolved by the moderator. There is no need to demand heads on a platter.
Also, I don't discuss user's warning statuses with anybody but the user. For all you know Whooter might be banned tomorrow for exceeding his maximum warnings.
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After examining what I wrote to you in the pm in question, I realized I did suggest creating a fake ed con account, complete with email address for parents to contact (and be given a lecture on how stupid they are). I was clearly talking about a parody one... something akin to Dr. Fucktard or SIBS, which already exists. I don't see a problem with this. if parents don't read the parody fine print, they deserve a lecture on how easy is to get conned, and it keeps kids out of programs. That being said, when I realized the afore-mentioned problem with the sock-puppetry rules I decided against sending that suggestion and thought i had deleted the sentence. As a result I accused you hastily of making that up. I apologize for that, and parts of what i wrote earlier. I don't believe, however, for a second, that you even considered that i would intentionally decieve a parent and what? refer them to a program? What exactly were you going to accuse me of to get your way?
I’m very busy this week with FDA hearings and I’d like to respond more fully, but time allows only simple brevity.
First, thank you for your apology. I appreciate it. Of course I never have and never would think you would deceive a parent in order to have a child placed in a program. I never thought that and never said that. Let me first give you a ditrect quote of what you said to me and I will explain why I took the measures I did.
Who else will represent his viewpoint. It will become necessary to invent him and for that purpose you have to promise you will make up a sock-puppet... Maybe a fake ed-con, complete with email address for parents to contact you.
This is the exact verbiage you used. Obviously, to any observer, this is an offer of quid pro quo, and this is precisely what set me off. Now you are saying this isn’t what you meant, and I accept that explanation, but at the time, the above was the operating premise. Esentially, ”I will ban Whooter if and only if you promise to deceive the public intentionally and violate the stated rules of the site.” As you can imagine, this disturbed me deeply.
You know or should know me better than that. I went through a lawsuit rather than simply take a website down and kicked a program in the teeth in the process. I went through a successful domain dispute with Sue Scheff and embarrassed her publicly all over the internet with the truth of her deceptions. That website is still #2 when you google her name. In response she has put up false and misleading statements about me on the internet which most likely affected my ability to get a job, and would continue to do so if I ever changed jobs. That could easily be solved by a quick phone call to Sue Scheff. I would take the website down, I would work for her (we'd work up a story). I could blame my behavior on a fake drug problem. I could probably take Fornits with me in the process. And I would probably make all sorts of money like that cu*t from PV probably did when she went to the dark side. And I could "apologize" to Benchmark and hook up some sort of referral deal. And I could speak at NATSAP... Yet none of this has happened. And you accuse me of taking Whooter's side? As if I like the guy? As if he's cute or something? He defends child abusers and in my view is fully cognizant of what goes on in programs.
Let me flip this on you. Your story above is very similar to how I and other posters here successfully shut down HLA and won a class action lawsuit to make HLA pay back their victims. I was SLAPPed, I was threatened with violence and HLA did their dead-level best to destroy my character with lies. But I never gave up and I never do.
You threatened me to get your way and to back up your threat I believe you misrepresented your personal opinions of me and The Gatekeeper... just because you weren't getting you're way with Whooter.
That’s not how it went down at all. Only after you made me a quid pro quo offer that would require me to sell out my own principles and to degrade the credibility of all Fornits users, did I respond at this level. Here is what I said to you:
I am simply telling you that I will continue to be honest with other posters here if you intend to continue to rig the game. I still believe you don't mean what you said, but actions speak louder than words. Banning Whooter cannot be contingent upon my agreement to create sockpuppets to replace him. I won't do that. If my not doing that becomes your vis compulsiva for not finding in my favor, then the chips will fall where they may.
And…
How would you feel if the judge in your case with Sue Scheff simply disregarded your evidence and testimony and openly communicated to you that, in order for you to prevail, even though the evidence weighs fully in your favor, that you had to make moral concessions in order to be adjudicated the victor? Think about that.
What I said, very clearly, is that if you rule against me with the stated reason being that I would not create sockpuppets to replace Whooter’s POV (“vis compulsiva”), then I would be forced to make that public as a pure PSA so that posters would know the game was rigged. I am glad that you now have publicly retracted that statement and it is no longer an issue, so you may now stop asking exactly what I was “going to accuse” you of, because it was quite clear in my private response, and now my public response. This issue may be closed.
I am writing a ruling now. You may still get your way, but this obsession with getting Whooter banned at any costs (see attached) is insane. The forum is not taking sides on matters of truth or falsity. i have explained this to you before, and you should use the warning feature rather than PM. I don't have as much time as you might prefer to read through pages and pages of junk.
Based on simple contract law, your decision is also simple. It’s really not my fault that you are putting so much effort into what amounts to a prima facie case of basic contract law. According to our contract, between you, me and Whooter, Whooter must be banned for life. It’s cut and dried, psy.
I used Whooter’s mental illness against him, maneuvered him into a contract I knew, you knew and he knew he would violate due to his obsessive/compulsive disorder. He violated it immediately and was banned for a week. He came right back and violated it again and when the rubber met the road, you made all sorts of excuses on his behalf and kicked the can down the road for a couple of months which appeared to me that since I would not proceed quid pro quo that you would not act on what is a very basic matter.
Any judge would have made a summary judgment in my favor in this case. You chose to make it very complicated and waste your own time. I can’t be held to account for that.
Also. The reason I chose The Gatekeeper is because I wanted somebody who had the time and I felt could be objective.
Well, you blew that one. You took a flame troll and made him a moderator. You did the same with Che Gookin and realized your error only after he damaged the database beyond repair. Joel has less power than Che did, but he does start flame wars via PM and on the board and when people respond in kind he deletes their posts and issues bogus board warnings or bannings, each time being overturned by you.
Joel will skip over ten Whooter posts that say “DJ is a convicted child molester and sells drugs to kids” to get to one post that says “Whooter is a jerk for saying that” and deleting the post and warning the second poster while taking no action against Whooter, even leaving the “child molester” posts. Again, just a bad personnel choice. People do see this behavior and wonder why Whooter receives preferential treatment.
You seem to really be the only one with a huge problem with him. (and nun-ya). But how many of you guys have, I dunno, bothered to maybe PM and ask why a certian moderation decision was made. You can appeal it to me, but most of the time, if an error was made, it can be resolved by the moderator. There is no need to demand heads on a platter.
I have received many complaints about Joel via PM and many more have been made on the board. You might be a bit out of touch with the pulse of the public on this one. And we shouldn’t have to “prove our innocence” in order to have warnings or bannings lifted, Joel should have to prove “our guilt” first. Every time I have had a warning or attempted banning from Joel, it was immediately reversed upon appeal and my posts restored, but the damage was done already. That’s not the way it should work.
Also, I don't discuss user's warning statuses with anybody but the user. For all you know Whooter might be banned tomorrow for exceeding his maximum warnings.
If only…
Here are a couple of message excerpts I have received in just the last day pertaining to Whooter and to Joel:
“I've lost all respect for this forum. If traffic sucks now, what's the harm in banning Whooter?"
“Whooter does not encourage successful dialogue. He is a big deterrent from this site and has already caused irreparable harm.”
“Whooter must pay all the hosting fees for this site because he’s allowed to do whatever he wants without consequence while non-payers get their posts deleted or get banned.”
“What’s the deal with the double standard here?”
“It's not his opinion, it’s his pervasiveness - and insidious perfidy.”
“Whooter came and sank the ship. It was a slow leak at first, and then the Titanic.”
“This site is all Whooter, all the time. I'd rather it be dead traffic than Whooterville.”
“I do think Gatekeeper is well intentioned, just over his head.”
“I don't know what the f Psy is thinking.”
That’s just from yesterday, psy.
In any case, many people here correctly perceive the unfairness and most agree that Fornits has been largely destroyed by Whooter whom they view as “above the rules” because of “double standards” or “monetary donations.”
Why do they believe this way? Because of the way you run the forums, psy. It’s your behaviour that gives rise to the wonderment about “corruption.” I understand you don’t view it that way, but many people do and I think they have good reason to see it that way. Even if you never intended to give those impressions, that is what is being seen by the public.
Most long-time posters have simply left. New posters get chased off by Whooter’s incessant vapid trolling and derailing. This is the “New Fornits,” like it or not.
Lastly, I am constantly encouraged to “keep it up.” And I will. Why? Like I said to you:
So, I hope this has clarified some things for you and has given you at least a small window into my makeup and into my thought processes. We're on the same team - the team that helps kids who were or may become victims of the TTI. Accordingly, I apologize once more if you view me as untoward. But you must understand that Whooter is here to put heads in beds and asses in chairs either directly or indirectly and I will do whatever it is I believe I must do to disallow that from bearing fruit, no holds barred.
Good day, good tidings, good luck and very best regards,
DJ
Thank you for reading this missive. I’m finished with the public side of this matter. Any further commentary should be directed to me via PM.
EDIT: When my Inbox looks like this, it's obvious why yours looks the way it does.
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"(and nun-ya). "
Hey invoke my name if you want to, just spell it right.
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DJ, I think part of the problem is that you spend so much time trying to discredit people who don’t agree with you that you lose sight of the intent of the forum itself. Your opinions are just as acceptable as mine are, why not just post your opinion?
Over the past years 90% of your posts were intended to disrupt conversations between the posters here with your constant “John Reuben” threads and posts...., fiduciary..... and who lied about what....... and how many kids I had or fabricated. Why don’t you grow up and try to commit to having a conversation as an adult.
I believe that programs help a great many of kids and I also realize that there are bad programs out there. You believe that all programs are out to hurt kids. So we disagree, I don’t think that you should be banned because you disagree with me nor do I spend 90% of my time trying to discredit you. I have given you a taste of your own medicine from time to time but my intent is to accept all viewpoints and posts equally . I don’t think you can make the same statement.
Now I can see you have dropped to the level of trying to discredit the Admins because they don’t agree with you or will not serve your demands. Who cares if people are PMing you to cheer you on. This is not High school, think for yourself and take a step back to see what you are doing and see the foolishness of your actions.
I think to spend all your time trying to get one person banned or interfere in a conversation is a little obsessive to say the least. You have plenty to contribute to this forum in a positive manner, DJ. Why not give it a shot and try discussing the issues more and contributing more vs trying to be disruptive. Who cares if we disagree, lets argue openly and honestly on the forum.
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Blah, blah, blah. Back to our regularly shceduled programming..."All Whooter, All the Time." This matter is closed and I will respond only to PM if anyone wants to discuss it further.
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Blah, blah, blah. Back to our regularly shceduled programming..."All Whooter, All the Time." This matter is closed and I will respond only to PM if anyone wants to discuss it further.
Sorry, my PM box will remain closed, DJ. Since you cannot flood my inbox anymore I see you have resorted to flooding Psy's in box. You have some real issues, the rest of us will do our discussions out here in the open forum. Have fun in the shadows.
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Blah, blah, blah. Back to our regularly shceduled programming..."All Whooter, All the Time." This matter is closed and I will respond only to PM if anyone wants to discuss it further.
No, DJ. How about we do this in public rather than in PM, where I have no opportunity to rebut. And how about you make the *entire* log of PMs sent between us public... Including the part where I made it very very clear that banning him was your decision (if your case as as solid as you were saying) and my personal feelings, one way or the other, had nothing at all to do with any decision. That is the exact opposite of what you were were trying to imply I said. How about I start with the PM I sent you that we were just talking about.
I apologize for my slow responses and lack of attention to moderation. I've been busy. Making decisions on this stuff takes uplot of my time. Right now i'm unpacking after moving into a new apartment.
I will examine the evidence in time but can you please send me a pdf document. That's your appeal. Include screenshots and dates and times and stuff. We'll let Whooter examine it, and if he can't come up with an explanation I will ban him and explain why on the forum. This will give him due process and an opportunity to respond. I will read the things... eventually. and make a decision. Other moderators will also have to uphold this and I will hold them to the contract.
Consider when you do this, though, the effect it will have on the forum. Whooter is a catalyst for so much discussion and when he's gone, the forum isn't very active at all. It might grow without him, maybe back to what it was.... Maybe. Who knows. Who else will represent his viewpoint. It will become necessary to invent him and for that purpose you have to promise you will make up a sock-puppet... Maybe a fake ed-con, complete with email address for parents to contact you. If you're telling the truth, this is your decision to ban him pretty much. Consider your actions carefully. I will ban all future incarnations. I will ban other IPs and I will check. He will be gone. But the forum will not be the same without him.
Just like Whooter, you're starting to take things out of context to change meaning. In the context of the PM I was clear it was a warning to you as to whether or not to proceed but that I would be fair, there would be oversight, and I never ever implied any fears about Whooter's absence might affect my judgement. "You have to promise" was clearly not meant literally or as an order. You distorted my words to threaten me and that's not ok.
You were perfectly happy with my response sent about a month ago and never expressed any discontent until you got the impression or suspicion I might not be ruling in your direction (possibly after I ruled against you once before your second appeal). Then you threatened me. Well. I can't very well rule on something where somebody has threatened me. If I ruled in your direction, it would give you the impression such tactics worked. Other complications apply going the other way as well. The only way to take the threat out of the equation was to disclose what you were threatening me with, something I have done in full above. You forced my hand.
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Miscommunication on both ends I think. You cleared up your end and I cleared up mine. Next time I will just give you a call to avoid problems in the first place. Written words are too subject to interpretation and I think that's where it got off track in the first place. I apologized to both you and Joel and committed to be a gentleman about this matter. That's all I can do. I won't relitigate or respond beyond this.
I take full responsibility for whatever ramifications arise from Whooter's banning. You're off the hook on that.
We all need to keep in mind that he agreed to this contract voluntarily. I knew, and he should have known, that he would violate this agreement. He has a mental illness that prohibits self-control, which is really what this is all about. He should have either not entered the contract or upped his meds to control himself. He has nobody but himself to blame now.
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viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332)
Gatekeeper, tell my why if you please, that a post such as this be burried in the wasteland of OFFA? Is it that you don't get it? Why does this brilliant post deserve to be next to all of the porn and spam? Better yet, why is there all of that porn and spam even here. I'm going to repost this in the main board, because not even you bother to read the crap here in offa.
Please move OP to main board, as everyone should read it.
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According to our contract, between you, me and Whooter, Whooter must be banned for life. It’s cut and dried, psy.
Not true, DJ. You should go back and look at the agreement/contract. You never agreed to be banned for life and neither did I. Plus the contract was voided when you lied about who you were.
Lets move on, you have wasted enough time on this.
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I don't feel we wasted any time. You made your case. I made mine. Psy will judge. If you lose your case, it will be your second banning for the same offense which carries a lifetime sentence. Just relax. The work is done and now we await the judge's decison. You should have upped your meds when you inked the contract, which is still in force, even though you tried to beg out of it after the first violation. I never had to worry about any ban, a week or lifetime, simply because I have what's called "self control" which allows me to never PM you. I have never been banned and never will be. You have no self control which leads you to keep PMing me even after you have been banned for it. If you could stop, you wouldn't have this problem. Sadly, you can't. That's why you're facing your fourth banning and second one for the same offense.
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I don't feel we wasted any time. You made your case. I made mine. Psy will judge.
I feel it is a waste of time. We should be focused on the discussion about the programs and the kids. Let psy judge.
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That's what I said. If he decides against you, you go bye-bye for permanent. If he decides for you, then we are just where we are right now until you can't control yourself again and start sending me PMs and then we repeat the process. Bottom line is that there are no consequences on the table for me because I have never sent you a PM and I never will. You, on the other hand...well...you know why you're in this position...self-control problems again. The contract is in place until we both agree to dissolve it which I will never do.
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That's what I said. If he decides against you, you go bye-bye for permanent. If he decides for you, then we are just where we are right now until you can't control yourself again and start sending me PMs and then we repeat the process. Bottom line is that there are no consequences on the table for me because I have never sent you a PM and I never will. You, on the other hand...well...you know why you're in this position...self-control problems again. The contract is in place until we both agree to dissolve it which I will never do.
You have flooded my PM box for years, DJ, with your John Reuben obsession until I finally had to close it down. Look at the PM's you sent psy, he provided a screen shot of your obsession in this thread. You get excited and you start PMing at a rate of 1 every other minute. I just cant handle that from you, especially when you were on the John Reuben kick. We finally got you calmed down, defined some parameters to try to limit your exposure and force you back out onto the forum. You tried to take it back to PM's with Psy and he held his ground and forced you to speak about the issues on the forum, DJ.
It just gets to be too much sometimes with you, you dont know when to call it quits. You seem to function much better on the open forum than you do in the shadows. Personally I think this has been good for you. You have shed your John Reuben obsession (I think we can agree to that) and all that business about lying, fiduciary and fabrication children, you seem to have got past that anger. Remember the footer and banners you put up about me and my past? You have obviously been working on those issues,DJ, and have come to terms regarding reality and imagination.
Lets keep it out in the open, okay?
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Whatever gets you through the night, bro. I think you may have missed a dose of the meds. :jerry:
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That's what I said. If he decides against you, you go bye-bye for permanent. If he decides for you, then we are just where we are right now until you can't control yourself again and start sending me PMs and then we repeat the process. Bottom line is that there are no consequences on the table for me because I have never sent you a PM and I never will. You, on the other hand...well...you know why you're in this position...self-control problems again. The contract is in place until we both agree to dissolve it which I will never do.
You have flooded my PM box for years, DJ, with your John Reuben obsession until I finally had to close it down. Look at the PM's you sent psy, he provided a screen shot of your obsession in this thread. You get excited and you start PMing at a rate of 1 every other minute. I just cant handle that from you, especially when you were on the John Reuben kick. We finally got you calmed down, defined some parameters to try to limit your exposure and force you back out onto the forum. You tried to take it back to PM's with Psy and he held his ground and forced you to speak about the issues on the forum, DJ.
It just gets to be too much sometimes with you, you dont know when to call it quits. You seem to function much better on the open forum than you do in the shadows. Personally I think this has been good for you. You have shed your John Reuben obsession (I think we can agree to that) and all that business about lying, fiduciary and fabrication children, you seem to have got past that anger. Remember the footer and banners you put up about me and my past? You have obviously been working on those issues,DJ, and have come to terms regarding reality and imagination.
Lets keep it out in the open, okay?
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Is there anyone willing to do bong hits? :D
I have to wait until after 8:00 , if you change the water add a little cotes du Rhone, warm up the bowl then I am in.
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Is there anyone willing to do bong hits? :D
You're off topic. Bong hits have their own thread.
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http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332
Gatekeeper, tell my why if you please, that a post such as this be burried in the wasteland of OFFA?
Because, IIRC, it was already there most likely. Lots of content was already in the OFFA. If not, it can be moved to TTI, but new posts will still have to be within the rules. Why not just ask Gatekeeper why he made the decision directly?
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I don't feel we wasted any time. You made your case. I made mine. Psy will judge.
I feel it is a waste of time. We should be focused on the discussion about the programs and the kids. Let psy judge.
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I'm writing the thing right now, and will work more on it tomorrow. I have to put screenshots and stuff in it and have it look relatively readable and decent,.
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http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332
Gatekeeper, tell my why if you please, that a post such as this be burried in the wasteland of OFFA?
Because, IIRC, it was already there most likely. Lots of content was already in the OFFA. If not, it can be moved to TTI, but new posts will still have to be within the rules. Why not just ask Gatekeeper why he made the decision directly?
Because he's said that he will no longer respondto me. Which is fine with me.
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Acually this whole pissing match that's here now is just a diversion of the fact that this thread was started about the gatekeeper to beguin with. Now he wants to make peace with "bong hits"? You twit! this last raging argument here between
DJ & whooter is due to your ineptitude. Moving posts around without even an explaiation.
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I don't feel we wasted any time. You made your case. I made mine. Psy will judge.
I feel it is a waste of time. We should be focused on the discussion about the programs and the kids. Let psy judge.
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I'm writing the thing right now, and will work more on it tomorrow. I have to put screenshots and stuff in it and have it look relatively readable and decent,.
That is a lot of effort, psy, and we appreciate your time on this, although I think it has consumed more time and effort than it is worth. Regardless of the outcome it will be good to get it behind us so that we all can get back to discussing the issues instead of fighting each other.
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whooter wrote;
" Regardless of the outcome it will be good to get it behind us so that we all can get back to discussing the issues instead of fighting each other.
If that is true then why do you find yourself IN so many arguments? Because you like it. you thrive on it. It's like a video game. You sit and wait to shoot down the next incomming salvo. Destroy or be destroid.
I thinkthere may be help for you though. If anybody knows of a "good" program to treat internet addiction, our friend whooter needs a little advice on where to go.
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Fire back if you will but I have to leave now
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I thinkthere may be help for you though. If anybody knows of a "good" program to treat internet addiction, our friend whooter needs a little advice on where to go.
That was a good diagnosis, None-ya. Believe it or not we have posters here who think that EdCons and therapists cannot diagnose kids over the internet. They claim if the kid isnt seen in person then it must be a bogus diagnosis. But you have shown that many do it all the time and it is fairly commonplace. Thanks for the input.
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viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=26332)
Gatekeeper, tell my why if you please, that a post such as this be burried in the wasteland of OFFA?
Because, IIRC, it was already there most likely. Lots of content was already in the OFFA. If not, it can be moved to TTI, but new posts will still have to be within the rules. Why not just ask Gatekeeper why he made the decision directly?
Yah, I too recall it as having been posted in OFFA to begin with. Hopefully, it won't be moved! :D
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A restraining order for a PM box has got to be the stupidest shit ever. Use the ignore feature ffs.
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I thinkthere may be help for you though. If anybody knows of a "good" program to treat internet addiction, our friend whooter needs a little advice on where to go.
That was a good diagnosis, None-ya. Believe it or not we have posters here who think that EdCons and therapists cannot diagnose kids over the internet. They claim if the kid isnt seen in person then it must be a bogus diagnosis. But you have shown that many do it all the time and it is fairly commonplace. Thanks for the input.
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While it may be commonplace,and I dont doubt it .to me theres nothing that can take the place of good ol face to face. How does one read subtlties like affect, and body language over the internet? Im just sayin.
If I was tryin to assist in a process such as a dignosis, on anything as important as a child, Id want every iota of information and insight I could get,things get lost in translation sometimes, and an internet evaluation seems kind of glib and "doc in a box " to me . Im not saying CANNOT, I just think some time we talk TO our machines ,and AT each other. BUT then again Id rather fuck than watch porn.
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Believe it or not we have posters here who think that EdCons and therapists cannot diagnose kids over the internet. They claim if the kid isnt seen in person then it must be a bogus diagnosis.
Yeah, crazy I know. ::) ::) Those questionnaires are dead on! ::) ::)
What qualifications to EdCons have to "diagnose" ANYone? And please dont' cite their own review board that basically rubber stamps anyone as long as they can pay the fee.
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Believe it or not we have posters here who think that EdCons and therapists cannot diagnose kids over the internet. They claim if the kid isnt seen in person then it must be a bogus diagnosis.
Yeah, crazy I know. ::) ::) Those questionnaires are dead on! ::) ::)
What qualifications to EdCons have to "diagnose" ANYone? And please dont' cite their own review board that basically rubber stamps anyone as long as they can pay the fee.
Exactly my point to none-ya. He claimed he could diagnose me over the internet, so why the double standard?
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Believe it or not we have posters here who think that EdCons and therapists cannot diagnose kids over the internet. They claim if the kid isnt seen in person then it must be a bogus diagnosis.
Yeah, crazy I know. ::) ::) Those questionnaires are dead on! ::) ::)
What qualifications to EdCons have to "diagnose" ANYone? And please dont' cite their own review board that basically rubber stamps anyone as long as they can pay the fee.
Exactly my point to none-ya. He claimed he could diagnose me over the internet, so why the double standard?
No double standard.....he can't. He can form opinions, but those opinions don't send you away to a re-education camp like those bogus questionnaires that programs use.
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Believe it or not we have posters here who think that EdCons and therapists cannot diagnose kids over the internet. They claim if the kid isnt seen in person then it must be a bogus diagnosis.
Yeah, crazy I know. ::) ::) Those questionnaires are dead on! ::) ::)
What qualifications to EdCons have to "diagnose" ANYone? And please dont' cite their own review board that basically rubber stamps anyone as long as they can pay the fee.
Exactly my point to none-ya. He claimed he could diagnose me over the internet, so why the double standard?
No double standard.....he can't. He can form opinions, but those opinions don't send you away to a re-education camp like those bogus questionnaires that programs use.
Exactly, and edcons cannot send kids away. They can form opinions based on their experience and express these opinions to the parents. The parents are the ones who make the final decision to place the child or not.
The questionnaires are just a guide to help the parents.
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those opinions don't send you away to a re-education camp like those bogus questionnaires that programs use.
Nothing bogus about it...
If it looks like a druggie, acts like a druggie, talks like a druggie...
Need I say more?
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those opinions don't send you away to a re-education camp like those bogus questionnaires that programs use.
If it looks like a druggie, acts like a druggie, talks like a druggie...
Need I say more?
Ha,Ha,Ha,
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those opinions don't send you away to a re-education camp like those bogus questionnaires that programs use.
If it looks like a druggie, acts like a druggie, talks like a druggie...
Need I say more?
Ha,Ha,Ha,
Yeah, it ain't so fucking funny when you lose two years of your life. To us at least....I'm sure it's farking HILARIOUS to you.
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whooter wrote:
"Exactly my point to none-ya. He claimed he could diagnose me over the internet, so why the double standard?"
I never claimed anything of the sort. Don't use my sarcasm out of context. It's like when my friends call me to tell me their car is making funny noises. How the hell do I know over the phone? I only suggested internet addiction because you spend so much time here. And the way you love to sing the praises of behavioral modification programs, I would have thought by now you would looked into one for yourself.And no, I don't wish to start a pissing match here. But I think you do have a real problem,And I'm sure there is no shortage of quacks out there willing to diagnose your symptoms over the internet or the telephone and take your money
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whooter wrote;
"Exactly my point to none-ya. He claimed he could diagnose me over the internet, so why the double standard?"
I never claimed anything of the sort. Don't use my sarcasm out of context. It's like when my friends call me to tell me their car is making funny noises. How the hell do I know over the phone? I only suggested internet addiction because you spend so much time here. And the way you love to sing the praises of behavioral modification programs, I would have thought by now you would looked into one for yourself.And no, I don't wish to start a pissing match here. But I think you do have a real problem,And I'm sure there is no shortage of quacks out there willing to diagnose your symptoms over the internet or the telephone and take your money
..and that is what edcons do. They look at the facts and express their opinions like you did. You have no way to tell for sure if I have any type of addiction, but you look at the facts and draw a conclusion. many people and professionals do this. If someone like yourself feels they are accurate in their opinions then why cant Edcons be able to do the same thing? We should maintain an equal standard.
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I am not qualified to diagnose anyone let alone a freudian feild day such as yourself.
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I am not qualified to diagnose anyone let alone a freudian feild day such as yourself.
Exactly, so when you say I have an addiction of some kind based on information over the internet you feel that you are accurate. The same applies to Edcons who sometimes take information over the internet and then base their opinions on the data that is presented to them. They dont diagnose people they just express opinions like you do, None-ya. If you can do it then I am sure edcons could too.
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Dr Fucktard can usually tell if a person needs treatment program by doing a tea-leaf reading...
Sometimes it takes drawing up their astrological chart as well....
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Dr Fucktard can usually tell if a person needs treatment program by doing a tea-leaf reading...
Sometimes it takes drawing up their astrological chart as well....
I have seen this used successfully myself. If the parents use skype and then carefully hold the laptop over their sons/daughters tea cup the edcon can read the leaves very effectively. I have heard that edcons are reporting a 90% success rate in placement using this method. We are living in exciting times.
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I am not qualified to diagnose anyone let alone a freudian feild day such as yourself.
Exactly, so when you say I have an addiction of some kind based on information over the internet you feel that you are accurate. The same applies to Edcons who sometimes take information over the internet and then base their opinions on the data that is presented to them. They dont diagnose people they just express opinions like you do, None-ya. If you can do it then I am sure edcons could too.
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Maybe you're right.
That will be $1,500 please.
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I am not qualified to diagnose anyone let alone a freudian feild day such as yourself.
Exactly, so when you say I have an addiction of some kind based on information over the internet you feel that you are accurate. The same applies to Edcons who sometimes take information over the internet and then base their opinions on the data that is presented to them. They dont diagnose people they just express opinions like you do, None-ya. If you can do it then I am sure edcons could too.
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Maybe you're right.
That will be $1,500 please.
Dam-it I knew this would end up costing me! You must be Dr. Ben Dover.
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Whooter wrote:
"Exactly my point to none-ya. He claimed he could diagnose me over the internet, so why the double standard?"
None ya wrote:
I never claimed anything of the sort. Don't use my sarcasm out of context. It's like when my friends call me to tell me their car is making funny noises. How the hell do I know over the phone? I only suggested internet addiction because you spend so much time here. And the way you love to sing the praises of behavioral modification programs, I would have thought by now you would looked into one for yourself.And no, I don't wish to start a pissing match here. But I think you do have a real problem,And I'm sure there is no shortage of quacks out there willing to diagnose your symptoms over the internet or the telephone and take your money
Whooter wrote:
..and that is what edcons do. They look at the facts and express their opinions like you did. You have no way to tell for sure if I have any type of addiction, but you look at the facts and draw a conclusion. many people and professionals do this. If someone like yourself feels they are accurate in their opinions then why cant Edcons be able to do the same thing? We should maintain an equal standard.
Whooter his lies, contradictions and exposing himself for who he really is.
..and that is what edcons do. They look at the facts and express their opinions like you did.
1) You have no way to tell for sure if I have any type of addiction, but you look at the facts and draw a conclusion.
2) many people and professionals do this.
3) If someone like yourself feels they are accurate in their opinions then why cant Edcons be able to do the same thing?
4) We should maintain an equal standard.
Is he for real, does he really believe this crap. It doesn't even make any sense nor do I think the Edcons would even want this miserable (sob) talking for them.
This guy really thinks this site is his playground.
Psy I have to disagree this guy is not making credible or even intelligent statements, at this point. He is fucking with us and enjoying it.
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whooter wrote;
"Exactly my point to none-ya. He claimed he could diagnose me over the internet, so why the double standard?"
I never claimed anything of the sort. Don't use my sarcasm out of context. It's like when my friends call me to tell me their car is making funny noises. How the hell do I know over the phone? I only suggested internet addiction because you spend so much time here. And the way you love to sing the praises of behavioral modification programs, I would have thought by now you would looked into one for yourself.And no, I don't wish to start a pissing match here. But I think you do have a real problem,And I'm sure there is no shortage of quacks out there willing to diagnose your symptoms over the internet or the telephone and take your money
Whooter his lies, contradictions and exposing himself for who he really is.
..and that is what edcons do. They look at the facts and express their opinions like you did.
1) You have no way to tell for sure if I have any type of addiction, but you look at the facts and draw a conclusion.
2) many people and professionals do this.
3) If someone like yourself feels they are accurate in their opinions then why cant Edcons be able to do the same thing?
4) We should maintain an equal standard.
Is he for real, does he really believe this crap. It doesn't even make any sense nor do I think the Edcons would even want this miserable (sob) talking for them.
This guy really thinks this site is his playground.
Psy I have to disagree this guy is not making credible or even intelligent statements, at this point. He is fucking with us and enjoying it.
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Heretik, why dont you try to contribute to this site instead of always attacking people. If you read through the discussion about diagnosing people over the internet maybe you would understand the concept we were discussing. Anyone can gather sound bites.. you make yourself look foolish.
Your own words "Think about the children". Try to join in the discussion instead of standing on the sidelines making fun and judging other peoples point of view... get involved.
or are you going to end up like Dysfunction Junction and spend your days creating threads directed at me and attacking me and never able to contribute to the discussion. Grow up and discuss the issues like a man instead of crying to Psy, like DJ does, because I wont agree with him or you.
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Whooter STFU. Trust me nobody considers this attacking but you, really. I do not attack people. I am sick of your games and trying to pass it off as intelligent conversation. Oh I am trying to discern and ascertain and bla bla bla.
You are a proven liar and a terrible human being. Why your still here is anybody guess. You do nothing but provide the same garbage week in and week out.
We (Fornits) care about the children and only this.
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Ha,Ha,Ha. The biggest crybaby of them all suggests others should stop crying. That's rich. Whooter spent all day yesterday crying like a little bitch to Joel about how he was unable to "control who posts in his threads."
Here's a tip, heretik: Whatever Whooter is claiming about others is what is true about himself. He's a master projectionist. Just look at the beginning of this thread. Whooter posted five pages attacking me before he finally realized the issue was settled in my favor, then he got really mad and went into overdrive.
Now he's just attention-whoring from the rest of the group, as usual.
"Look at me. LOOK AT ME. LOOK AT ME!! LOOOOOK AT MEEEEEEE!!!!!"
I mean, c'mon, the guy has posted for 48 hours straight without even sleeping or taking a break. He has no life, no family (other than the one he fabricated, lol) and just shills day and night for his handlers.
From now on, when you start a thread, just put "Thread rules: Whooter may not post" at the top of the first post and be done with this crackpot and his stupid little games.
Hopefully soon he'll be gone and we can get back to having real dialogue about real topics instead of "All Whooter, All the Time" like we have now.
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Wow, DJ. You seem to be upset.
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1/10 for believablity. 0/10 if you are familiar with this shill piece.
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Now back to the original topic just for a second.It seems the gatekeeper has the offa box rigged where his flood bumping of old threads stay on top even when a new post comes in. Would somebody else try it and see?
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viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31573 (http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=31573)
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Whooter STFU. Trust me nobody considers this attacking but you, really. I do not attack people. I am sick of your games and trying to pass it off as intelligent conversation. Oh I am trying to discern and ascertain and bla bla bla. You are a proven liar and a terrible human being. Why your still here is anybody
s guess. You do nothing but provide the same garbage week in and week out.
I care about the children and only this.
I am sorry your feelings are hurt. but I watch you and DJ spend your hours creating attack threads "The Program shill said this or The program shill said that". This is very mature and shows how much you care about the children in your opinion.
I understand that you feel kids would be safer if they did not go to a program. I accept your opinion and I dont cry to psy or create attack threads about you because you will not side with me. I have seen first hand how kids are helped by these places, you have not. I can see the larger picture and you are suffering from not having very much knowledge or exposure to the industry. So your mentality directs you to attack me for my opinions, cry to psy and join DJ in his tantrums of immaturity. I accept this from some posters here and now accept it from you if that is what you choose.
Why dont we both post and let the readers decide who cares for the children and who spends their time discussing the issues.
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This has got to stop!
As soon as I moved that last link over here the gatekeeper deletes altogether. It was a thread about what an inept jerk the gatekeeper is. Well he delets the whole godamn thread and sends me a pm saying it was an accident. My ass, that thread was still there when I posted a link to it today. I really don't want a war with anybody but are really testing the limits of my civility.
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Whooter STFU. Trust me nobody considers this attacking but you, really. I do not attack people. I am sick of your games and trying to pass it off as intelligent conversation. Oh I am trying to discern and ascertain and bla bla bla. You are a proven liar and a terrible human being. Why your still here is anybody
s guess. You do nothing but provide the same garbage week in and week out.
I care about the children and only this.
I am sorry your feelings are hurt. but I watch you and DJ spend your hours creating attack threads "The Program shill said this or The program shill said that". This is very mature and shows how much you care about the children in your opinion.
I understand that you feel kids would be safer if they did not go to a program. I accept your opinion and I dont cry to psy or create attack threads about you because you will not side with me. I have seen first hand how kids are helped by these places, you have not. I can see the larger picture and you are suffering from not having very much knowledge or exposure to the industry.
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First, thank you for the compliment. I agree that heretik and I are both mature and I'm glad you admit this.
Second, you have always lied about your position in the idustry, claiming your only experience was your daughter going to a program over ten years ago. Is this what you call "up to date experience"? An outsider's view from over ten years ago? You really can't spin it both ways, Whoot-bag. You either have been inside the programs or you haven't. You always maintained you haven't unless you get cornered and lose the debate (the usual) then you start saying you have "recent knowledge" and "more experience." See, Whoot-bag, we are all well-trained to spot liars/phonies like yourself who try to be "everything to everyone" - the programs are full of staff just like you.
The bottom line is since you tell two vastly different stories, at a minimum you're fucking liar (which we all know you are) and at a maximum, you made up your whole "family staory" and are just a paid shill (the only plausible explanation of your behavior other than exteme mental illness).
So you can drop your bullshit smoke screens because you have been exposed as a profligate liar who slaves day and night to discredit abuse victims and promote programs. Nobody here believes you. You're just verbally masturbating and nobody cares for it.
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Could we stick to original topic for at least a little while? You can fight with whooter anywhere.
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Whooter STFU. Trust me nobody considers this attacking but you, really. I do not attack people. I am sick of your games and trying to pass it off as intelligent conversation. Oh I am trying to discern and ascertain and bla bla bla. You are a proven liar and a terrible human being. Why your still here is anybody
s guess. You do nothing but provide the same garbage week in and week out.
I care about the children and only this.
I am sorry your feelings are hurt. but I watch you and DJ spend your hours creating attack threads "The Program shill said this or The program shill said that". This is very mature and shows how much you care about the children in your opinion.
I understand that you feel kids would be safer if they did not go to a program. I accept your opinion and I dont cry to psy or create attack threads about you because you will not side with me. I have seen first hand how kids are helped by these places, you have not. I can see the larger picture and you are suffering from not having very much knowledge or exposure to the industry.
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First, thank you for the compliment. I agree that heretik and I are both mature and I'm glad you admit this.
Second, you have always lied about your position in the idustry, claiming your only experience was your daughter going to a program over ten years ago. Is this what you call "up to date experience"? An outsider's view from over ten years ago? You really can't spin it both ways, Whoot-bag. You either have been inside the programs or you haven't. You always maintained you haven't unless you get cornered and lose the debate (the usual) then you start saying you have "recent knowledge" and "more experience." See, Whoot-bag, we are all well-trained to spot liars/phonies like yourself who try to be "everything to everyone" - the programs are full of staff just like you.
The bottom line is since you tell two vastly different stories, at a minimum you're fucking liar (which we all know you are) and at a maximum, you made up your whole "family staory" and are just a paid shill (the only plausible explanation of your behavior other than exteme mental illness).
So you can drop your bullshit smoke screens because you have been exposed as a profligate liar who slaves day and night to discredit abuse victims and promote programs. Nobody here believes you. You're just verbally masturbating and nobody cares for it.
The reason you throw your tantrums on the forum and start creating threads about "Whooter shill did this or the program shill said that" is because you lose an argument and become frustrated. My story has been rock solid since the beginning and this bothers you. You are the one who was caught lying and had to change your name in an attempt to bury your past posts, everyone knows this. The fact remains that I post under one name, provide links and work with the facts and you need many sock puppets and aliases which you use to attack people. Your like a kid.
The readers see all of this DJ, there is no need to try to convince each other. Try to grow up. You and Heretik can continue the immature personal attacks and childish threads if you like, the readers are use to your contributions by now.
Why dont you try sticking to one username for a week and discuss the issues and see how you feel. Do or say something constructive and try to make a difference for once.
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Where are you now gatekeeper. Why can't you make whooter either stay on topic or start a new one . The whole world does not revolve around whooter and what he thinks. I know it makes for a smoke screen for keeper. Do your damn job.
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Where are you now gatekeeper. Why can't you make whooter either stay on topic or start a new one . The whole world does not revolve around whooter and what he thinks. I know it makes for a smoke screen for keeper. Do your damn job.
You and your friend DJ have been posting twice as much as I have, None-ya. Go out on the forum and look at the mess DJ has made with all his tantrum threads.
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Where are you now gatekeeper. Why can't you make whooter either stay on topic or start a new one . The whole world does not revolve around whooter and what he thinks. I know it makes for a smoke screen for keeper. Do your damn job.
You and your friend DJ have been posting twice as much as I have, None-ya. Go out on the forum and look at the mess DJ has made with all his tantrum threads.
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Wa wa I just want to addres OP!
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Whooter- 8 posts per day
DJ - 5 posts per day
None-ya - 2 posts per day
Whooter is having trouble with the facts again. He posts more than none-ya and me combined while squealing we post "twice as much" as him. Oopsie. Caught out there again.
Tell us again Whoot-bag how your "story has been rock solid."
I fabricated a son
Um....never mind. Lols. Moron.
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Whooter- 8 posts per day
DJ - 5 posts per day
None-ya - 2 posts per day
Whooter is having trouble with the facts again. He posts more than none-ya and me combined while squealing we post "twice as much" as him. Oopsie. Caught out there again.
Tell us again Whoot-bag how your "story has been rock solid."
I fabricated a son
Um....never mind. Lols. Moron.
Ha,Ha,Ha... you left out your other aliases, DJ.
Thats funny.
(http://http://swling.metakm.com/journey/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/dsc00298.JPG)
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Get out your pooper-scoopers, people!
Here's the latest update on Whooter's Fornits aliases:
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28962&start=15#p348150)
Heal Online (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&p=348683#p348690)
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
The list keeps growing and growing. Is there no limit to Whooter's duplicity?[/quote]
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Here's the latest update on Dysfunction Junction's Fornits aliases:
Watchful Yeoman
Troll control
RobertBruce.
RobertBruce .
RobertBruces
BEN WAjowski
Fred Bicep
Peg Sympson
John C.
Mike D.
Ursas
Slander Programs
John B.
Jim Bunson
Dot MacKinnon
Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)
Mark Rosen
Roger Glasdco
John Randall
Pete DeGroot
Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)
Warner Stubbin
Steve Backlan
James Driding
Rob Jamison
Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)
Bess H.
Iao;nori
Jim Baylor
Sid Michaels
Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
Mike Wilson
Rudy Bentz (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=28962&start=15#p348150)
Heal Online (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28989&p=348683#p348690)
Margaret Wilson
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
Diddle
Robert Hess
Ajax13.
Tom K
Aghast.
Marion
The list keeps growing and growing. Is there no limit to DJ's duplicity?
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Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
:roflmao:
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Fred Thompson
John McCain
Sarah Palin
Mitt Romney
Al Gore
Dick Cheney
:roflmao:
lol, that is funny!
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One of DJ's favorites. He use to post pornography under this name:
Revenge Fantasy Girlz
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Dr Fucktard can usually tell if a person needs treatment program by doing a tea-leaf reading...
Sometimes it takes drawing up their astrological chart as well....
Now Froddy, you know thats not true ....Fucktard relies heavily on his magic 8 ball and phrenology jeeez! :rofl:
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Miscommunication on both ends I think. You cleared up your end and I cleared up mine. Next time I will just give you a call to avoid problems in the first place. Written words are too subject to interpretation and I think that's where it got off track in the first place. I apologized to both you and Joel and committed to be a gentleman about this matter. That's all I can do. I won't relitigate or respond beyond this.
I take full responsibility for whatever ramifications arise from Whooter's banning. You're off the hook on that.
We all need to keep in mind that he agreed to this contract voluntarily. I knew, and he should have known, that he would violate this agreement. He has a mental illness that prohibits self-control, which is really what this is all about. He should have either not entered the contract or upped his meds to control himself. He has nobody but himself to blame now.
QF-motherfucking-T
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I whoot mental illness against him, he maneuvered into a contract he knew, he knew and knew it was going to break because of his obsessive / compulsive disorder. He immediately violated and was suspended for a week. He came right back and raped again, and when the rubber met the road, made all sorts of excuses on his behalf and kicked the can down the road for a couple of months I thought it would come as no quid pro quo would not act on what is a very basic question.
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These bots are getting better every god damn day.
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