Post by: Anonymous on July 02, 2003, 11:00:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2003, 06:44:00 AM
screw scientology
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2003, 10:25:00 AM
SCIENTOLOGY IS THE BIGGEST CULT IN THE USA RIGHT NOW, anyone who doesn't know this is a complete moron.
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2003, 10:28:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 03, 2003, 11:47:00 AM
Post by: METALGOD8 on July 03, 2003, 11:53:00 AM
MG8 :smokin:
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2003, 08:28:00 AM
Religiousfreedomwatch.org is an Orwellian site name, given that the Church of Scientology, which is behind the site, does not believe in religious freedom for anyone but themselves.
I'm not sure why the CoS would take an interest in this site, but if they seriosly have, then we might see some other shennanigans.
I would suspect that those of you who have made your email addresses available here should watch out for emails from strangers slamming people like Wes Fager. If you receive emails from strangers that include "scandalous" information about someone here, you probably want to give the target of that email a chance to clarify what actually happened.
These people specialize in half-truths and lies that fade in their "scandalousness" when you get the whole picture. Consider how bad each of us here could be made to look if they only revealed part of the picture. Just because we post here they could try say about any of us that:
1. We used to be in drug rehabs
2. We are bitter about having been taken out of our druggie lifestyle.
2. We now have ties with known criminals, advocates of drug use, and advocates of drug legalization.
3. We consort with people who oppose the president and the governor of Florida because of their courageous roles in the war against drugs.
For some of you, they could even say that:
1. You are known criminals (by virtue of your drug use)
2. Are admitted drug users now
3. Even your families have written you off because of your unrepentant drug use and your failure to recognize the value of drug rehabilitation.
If this sounds paranoid, check out the religiousfreedomwatch site, then check out sites critical of the Church of Scientology (like xenu.net) and see what I'm talking about.
Post by: Antigen on July 05, 2003, 12:55:00 PM
I remember one day in around 1985, I was staying with my dad cause I had broken up with my boyfriend. My daughter was with her father for the weekend. So, being fairly broke and somewhat down-in-the-mouth, I decided to go down to the Swap Shop and look for some inexpensive stuff to brighten the back room that Dad was letting us share with some of his most treasured antique tools and periodical collections.
So there I was, browsing carpet remnants and nick-nacks, all by my lonesome when a small group of young people approached me and tried to sell me some Dyanetics. I may have been a little depressed, but it was circumstantial. Plus I was little sick with the chronic bronchitis that hung with me for around a decade after the Program. So I probably looked like an ideal mark.
Well, looks can be deceiving. I didn't know much about the clams back then. But I was pretty big on sci-fi paperbacks as a kid and not at all impressed with the guru of Dyanetics. When I finally put it together that the author of book they were hawking as the true Bible for the ages was none other than, I started laughing and told them I didn't think I could use any life changing advice from a half assed scifi writer.
MAN! Did that piss them off! It was amazing. I thought they were just selling books and would just move on to the next mark. But they sort of tried to surround me and started yelling at me about how great and wonderful their master of the universe was and what an impudent little bug I was in comparison and how I'd be sorry one day for dissing him.
Well, that seemed quite familiar on the one hand. But set and setting are just so important. Instead of a group of brainwashed zombies ready to throw my ass on the floor of a warehouse behind closed doors, I was surrounded by Saturday bargain hunters and vendors in an open air carnival atmosphere. And I was deeply grateful to the universe for granting me the liberty to laugh hard and say "What a bunch of FRUITCAKES!" as I walked off to check out some nice deep pile buff carpet just about the size of my safe little nest in Dad's apartment.
I've also had similar aversions to the kinds of social and ecconomic ties that rely on shallow pretense or that are susceptible rank ad hominem attacks. Those who know me know me well and all the rest can go to Hell.
The most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of
knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness.
--Thomas Jefferson
_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American P.O.W. 10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2003, 01:14:00 PM
PROVERBS 6:12-19
Post by: Anonymous on July 05, 2003, 09:35:00 PM
:nworthy:
Post by: ClayL on July 07, 2003, 09:20:00 AM
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On 2003-07-05 05:28:00, Anonymous wrote:
... Just because we post here they could try say about any of us that:
1. We used to be in drug rehabs
2. We are bitter about having been taken out of our druggie lifestyle.
2. We now have ties with known criminals, advocates of drug use, and advocates of drug legalization.
3. We consort with people who oppose the president and the governor of Florida because of their courageous roles in the war against drugs.
For some of you, they could even say that:
1. You are known criminals (by virtue of your drug use)
2. Are admitted drug users now
3. Even your families have written you off because of your unrepentant drug use and your failure to recognize the value of drug rehabilitation."
Its not like any of us are running for political office. Elections are about the only place where this kind of thing seems to matter. Further, not being public figures, an organization can say very little in the form of a personal attack without being held libelous. In fact, about the only place I can be personally attacked freely, is here in this forum.
CL
Post by: METALGOD8 on July 07, 2003, 12:19:00 PM
If you have someone you wish to have speak to survivors about treatment abuse, why pick someone who kidnapped and abused a cult survivor, let alone rides a wave of such great controversy? Is this all lies that the courts made up just to make Ross look bad? Are you plugging the Rick Ross cult deprogramming methods? Sounds rather contradictory to the theme of the conference doesn't it? The point here is that people who attend the conference should know more about who's speaking there, especially the survivors.
MG8 :smokin:
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2003, 02:11:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on July 07, 2003, 10:39:00 PM
Or better yet, ISAC should put a disclaimer about Ross on their site right next to the one that says they aren't affiliated with or endorse SAFETY. That way, we can all watch the list grow together, like one great big happy & blind family!
Incidentally, no one is paranoid because no matter how many different ways you try to deceptively destroy the freedom fighters around you, we always know who the stick is in this shit: ISAC. :wink:
Post by: Anonymous on July 08, 2003, 12:22:00 PM
The above quote follows the post about watching out for emails from people slamming someone like Rick Ross. My point was not that we should be paranoid here, because you're right. For the most part, Scientology has no need to slam someone just because they post on this board.
The point was that you also can't take what they say about Rick Ross or anyone else at face value. Probably no one here will ever hear from Scientology directly, but you might. If you hear from a helpful stranger who provides "scandalous" information about someone here, just keep in mind how easy it is to twist the facts, and ask yourself why they would feel the need to provide "helpful" information like that.
I can understand why it would look paranoid, and I really don't think it's worth a lot of worry. Still, if more weird little posts start showing up attacking the character of certain individuals, you may want to do a little reading about Scientology.
Post by: Froderik on July 08, 2003, 12:31:00 PM
[ This Message was edited by: Froderik13 on 2003-07-08 09:34 ]
Post by: Antigen on July 08, 2003, 01:24:00 PM
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On 2003-07-07 09:19:00, METALGOD8 wrote:
"Is this all lies that the courts made up just to make Ross look bad?"
No, not the courts, just the plaintifs. You might also want to check into the credibility of the people who are complaining about the guy. You'll find that they're no more credible than the people who did your intake. Might even be the same people, or affiliates. Ever wonder about that?
If All it takes is an infinite number of monkeys with type writers, then how come there's no Shakespeare coming out of AOL?
-- Anonymous
Post by: Antigen on July 08, 2003, 01:41:00 PM
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On 2003-07-08 09:31:00, Froderik13 wrote:
"The last thing we need is for some asshole to come along and sabotage this board. We start enough arguments of our own here."
I swear to God, I think we've got the perfect anti-sabotage formula here. I'd like to say I thunk it up all by my lonesome, but that wouldn't be true. Usenet, where I spent a lot of time a few years ago, operates on this premis. There is no one in charge of the content of the discussion. There's no maternal school marm or paternalistic enforcer to stop anyone from lying, cussing, slamming or otherwise behaving badly. It's entirely up to the reader to decide what to make of it.
The only way anyone can get me to edit anything in these forums is to show me good evidence that they have some kind of proprietary claim on the information. Even at that, I'm leaning so hard on the doctrine of reasonable use, I'd fall over if they removed just one comma from it.
Here's the trick, I don't care what logo they paste onto whatever you're reading or watching on the tee vee; CNN, TimeWarner, AP, USFG or whatever, it's ALWAYS up to the reader or listener to decide what to make of it. The mob of jaberwocks who pretend to ensure the accuracy, impartiality and wholesomeness of your reading and viewing material are selling you a truck load of snake oil.
Anyone who steps to you and tries to say they have the authoritative, certified truth about anything is full of shit.
It's no coincidence that all cults put so much energy into controling communication. The rule here is rampant talking out in group! Carry on, carry on. And lest ye forget, check out the quote that appears in the upper righthand corner of every page in these forums.
The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
O'Brien, the apparatchik
Post by: Anonymous on July 08, 2003, 06:51:00 PM
In the words of the Dixie Chicks, Froderik:
"There's your trouble, there's your trouble, you're seeing double with the wrong one. You can see I love you, you can see she doesn't but you just keep holding on, there's your trouble!"
The answer you seek is in the statement you made, Froderik, only it isn't we, that's them. So open your eyes and look for them. They're hiding in plain sight. :smokin: you've just been indulged. Happy hunting!
"There's your trouble! There's your trouble."
Post by: mithygato on July 08, 2003, 07:31:00 PM
::rainbow::
It's nice to see educated, well-thought out responses on this board, as opposed to people like Powerful Attituede's bizaree dogmatic rantings.
"Freedom fighters" - Anon???
What a big joke.
Anon, as a fellow poster scripted, ". . . You need to go forth and think for thyself."
Someone is controlling your mind, and it ain't you. ::kiss::
Post by: Froderik on July 09, 2003, 08:45:00 AM
Quote
In the words of the Dixie Chicks, Froderik:
"There's your trouble, there's your trouble, you're seeing double with the wrong one. You can see I love you, you can see she doesn't but you just keep holding on, there's your trouble!"
The answer you seek is in the statement you made, Froderik, only it isn't we, that's them. So open your eyes and look for them. They're hiding in plain sight. you've just been indulged. Happy hunting!
"There's your trouble! There's your trouble."
All I've got to say in response to this one is "SAY WHAT??" No really, this one is from left fucking field...I have a lot of "trouble" understanding this innuendo of yours. "What are you saying?"...and BTW the Dixie Chicks can BLOW ME...not because they're too risque, (please) but because they SUCK! How do you like that? :lol:
Post by: ehm on July 09, 2003, 10:38:00 AM
they do suck. if you want good music...
check out lambchop! (good shit maynerd)
where do these trolls who are flooding
the board come from? (probably drug war terrorists)
they're like vermin!
(not the cute kind at all)
i'm done now.
*the middle finger*
(it'll be our gang sign)
shhhhh...
don't tell anyone.
please drive thru...
Post by: Anonymous on July 12, 2003, 05:31:00 AM
Around the time of Pulp Fiction/Get Shorty, he won an award in which he gave credit for his comeback to L. Ron Hubbard, quoting him in his acceptance speech. He said something like "if you set your mind to it, you can achieve anything" which has been around for alot longer than L. Ron Hubbard has. But now I'm thinking maybe scientology could help us all become movie stars, because it helped John Travolta!
However Kristie Alley (spelling?) is doing commercials for Pier One or something, and I just feel sorry for her everytime I see them. Scientology must have favored John over Kristie by exalting him before all men while meanwhile Scientology bitch slapped Kristie, sending her away naked and all bruised up and what have you. Hmmmmm. I guess she just didn't "do it right" unlike John who is obviously an expert scientologist. He even flies planes!
So perhaps it isn't a matter of scientological dogma, but the power resident in the believing one. OR perhaps John was totally mistaken for the real reason for his comeback which is really a result of (and the perpetuation of) the dumbing down of America and the entire world. Have you seen Battefield Earth? What did you think of Broken Arrow? Why did they pick HIM to play the lead role in Swordfish? Why? I'll tell you why! Because I AM John Travolta! Yes, that's right, and you are all under my scientological spell! Go see my movies, even the bad ones, in the millions and billions until I'm bloody rich. Thank you, Scientology. Thank you L. Ron Hubbard for enlightening me while simultaneously erasing the memory of the masses! They have long forgotten my bad movies from the 1980's. With your help, I will soon own the internet and rule the world! Ha Ha Ha HAAAAAAAAAA! (fiendish scientological laughter) Welcome to my Thunderdome, my Children of the Corn! (more fiendish laughter)
Post by: Anonymous on July 12, 2003, 07:42:00 AM
Post by: Anonymous on July 12, 2003, 07:06:00 PM
Post by: Antigen on July 12, 2003, 09:03:00 PM
Look, ask anyone who was involved with SAFE back in 2000. According to Loretta, a band of cowardly cockroaches arrived one open meeting night to try and abduct Weaver Hastings from the premises. Demonizing us was just her attempt to keep her followers from talking to us.
The reality is that we came with signs, flyers and bull horns with the intention of attracting as much attention as possible. That wouldn't exactly help a kidnapping attempt, would it? But then, people who are deeply invested in a cult will believe, and repeat, damned near any lie if that's what it takes to keep their beliefs intact.
The most fundamental purpose of government is defense, not empire.
--Joseph Sobran
Post by: METALGOD8 on July 12, 2003, 11:16:00 PM
http://www.rickross.com/reference/scien ... en416.html (http://www.rickross.com/reference/scientology/scien416.html)
Apparently some people do not understand how and why someone would abuse a cult survivor, let alone someone as astute and reputable as Rick Ross. It is fairly hard work, however, abuse is abuse and kidnapping or whatever other euphemism you call it is what straight and many other programs allegedly supported, condoned, promoted, etc. If people cannot understand that point, that is ok. If you want to cuss and complain, call me names, etc... that is ok too. You make the bed in which you lay. Everyone does, that's life, right? If you can look beyond the history of people and what they have done, great. I suppose that rules are not meant to apply to everyone. Forgiveness is always an option. This 1996 incident just seems full of irony, in my opinion, given the motto of the conference. Good luck either way.
MG8 :smokin: