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Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: jackson nash on January 12, 2005, 02:57:00 PM
Hello my friends,

It is interesting to think that there was nothing like this forum board when I first got to CEDU. How glad I am to have the chance to reach out and attempt to reconnect with lost friends.
As I said, I was at CEDU from 92-95, graduated, was pretty angry for a long time, and now want nothing more than to hear from people and know that others have made it and are still alive.
I think about the people who have died: Beau Riddle, Sacheen Dobson, Rory Rudy, Janie Maile, John Inman, to name a few, and my heart breaks for them, their friends and families.
I think about the wonderful people who have disappeared from my life: Chris Webb, John Davidson, Christina Bernal, Mark Lungren, David Olshansky, Pat Smith, Kate Crawford...
I want these people back.
I cannot say that CEDU is the reason that they are gone, but I know that applying a formula designed for junkies to children certainly did not help those who were already fragile.
When I think about what could have been done differently at that school, about how a lighter, more caring approach could have helped far more and turned away far fewer; well it is just another reason to mourn.
But fuck mourning, I just want closure.
If you read this and the spirit moves you, please reply and let me know how you are, and if you know anything about anyone.
So here's to our lost childhood, and here's to a brighter future.
My love and respect to all,
Jackson Nash
[email protected]
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: RegalPlague on January 13, 2005, 01:23:00 AM
I know im not one of the ones you mentioned, but i attended after you..You always were a funny guy, made my stay a little less hellish..

This is Michael Cosgrove, remember me?

i always got the impression that i annoyed you, but who can say..anyways good luck on the closure thingy! I say this because a large majority of this site is silly little trolls being fed by naive forum goers, and the occasional OmGzOrZ!!1!!Shift+1!! lets all sue the school threads..but hey..anything can happen..

So how are things for you man?

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Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: CEDU IS A CULT on January 13, 2005, 10:10:00 AM
Beau Riddle was the most talented pianist I've ever heard.  I'll never forget hearing him play the "Revolutionary Etude" by Frederick Chopin.

I had a crush on Sassheen.  I remember telling her how cute I though it was when girls wore ponytails, and I remember her wearing one all the time, and I remember kissing her on the top of her head the day I graduated.  I'm sad to hear about it.

Mark Lungren was my buddy.  I remember I left him my set of the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.  He was a big guy, with a really big heart.  Damn!

Rory Rudy was my little brother there.  He was a great kid.  I know he's missed.

Very sad news, Jackson.  I'm really sad to hear about that.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: CEDU IS A CULT on January 13, 2005, 10:12:00 AM
I saw John Davidson, once near Los Angeles CA.  I remember David Olshansky- he ran my fulltime even though I used to be his dormhead.  Cristina Bernal was one tough chick.  The good old days...
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: vvigil on January 13, 2005, 11:11:00 AM
I didn't know Rory and Janie had passed away. Janie started at the middle school at the same time I started at the high school. That was right when the middle school first opened, in 1991. When she moved to the high school, they made me her big sister. Can you imagine going from the middle school to the high school?

So many people I wonder about- Dave Pace, James Duan, Pam Hughes, Kesi Dunlop, Malia Levin, Michelle Buck, Michelle Weinberg (she wasn't in my peer group- left cedu before graduating), Hilary Horvat, Tina Rahman, and many others. Some I wonder out of morbid curiousity.... These people were the human element of cedu. Even if we drove one another crazy while we were there, they were subjected to the same abuses I was (though some not quite as harshly....).
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: CEDU IS A CULT on January 13, 2005, 11:20:00 AM
Vicki, I remember all those people.  I hope they're all doing okay.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Son Of Serbia on January 13, 2005, 01:44:00 PM
I was Beau Riddle's dorm head right before i split cedu for good.  He was a very intelligent, Talented, caring, and fun person.  I liked
him.  He always made me laugh.  Beau really
had a lot going for him.  Never in a
million years would I have suspected
that Beau would commit suicide...

I am deeply saddened by this news.
I can't help but feel that Beau's experiences
at Cedu had something to do with this.

My sincerest condolences to Beau's Family and all those who were close to him.

.[ This Message was edited by: SON OF SERBIA on 2005-01-13 10:50 ]
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on January 14, 2005, 02:35:00 PM
how did they die, if you don't mind me asking besides Beau's sad suicide?  How old was he?  Was he still using?
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on January 28, 2005, 03:31:00 PM
I came across this website by accident while checking the placement of my firms site.  I found a message posted from an old friend of mine, Jackson N., where he lamented: ?I think about the wonderful people who have disappeared from my life.?  Having never seen this site before, or even attempted to do any internet searches on the CEDU topic, I have to say that I spent some time over the last couple days reading what has been posted, and felt as though I needed to post my own message in hopes to reach out to Jackson and the other people who have disappeared from my life.

I was sent to CEDU around 15 years ago, at age 17, and as a senior in high school.  I spent just under 2 ½ years there, most of the time wishing I wasn?t there.   I had several excursions from the campus without the permission of the staff, the farthest took me all the way to Colorado.  But all in all, after all considerations, I ultimately choose to stick through the program and see where it took me.

The thing that hurt me the most about being at CEDU, while I was there and also for a period of time after, was loosing my friends, the ones I had since 1st grade, the ones that I planed on going to college with, and growing old with.  By the time I graduated CEDU my childhood friends were scattered all over America in various colleges and states, all in their junior years.  It was hard to catch up, so I made my own way after CEDU, went to the University of Miami, FL and then to law school.  I started my life anew, making new friends along the way, and what I found out is that as I grew older my childhood friends started to move back to Chicago, and the ones that didn?t move back would come back and visit.  Time had a way of healing and making things right.

So here I am, back in Chicago with new friends and old.  After a four year relationship I am engaged to my best friend with a wedding coming up in June 2005.  I have a nice law practice where I concentrate solely on criminal defense.  I dabble in the restaurant/nightclub/bar business, mostly just for the fun of it.  I spend most of my summers on my boat on Lake Michigan and most of my winters counting the days until summer.  I really don?t have anything much to complain about.  My family is all healthy and well.  I wake up happy everyday.

About the CEDU experience I am not going to express my opinion either way, as in reading the messages posted on this website and reading the conflicting views I don?t feel that my opinion would make much difference to anyone.  My purpose for this email is to say hello and hopefully reestablish a connection with some people after allowing too much time to escape us.

I am saddened by the deaths of people I knew and those who I considered friends.  My heart truly goes out to them and their families.

I thank Jackson for reaching out for me in his message, as I also wish to hear from people whose faces I haven?t seen in ages.  I remain close and have frequent contact with only a couple CEDU graduates, namely Dustin F., and Brad V..  I have over the years had sight contact with others, Charles B., Amanda T., Carrie B..  But there are others whose names whisper in my head every now and again and I hope and pray they are doing well in life.  Justin L., Pat S., Nat W., David Y., David P., Lily M., Matt D., Bobby D., Shannon K., and many others?

I leave only this message: I miss you and hope your lives are all that you dreamed they could be.

Love, David O.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: vvigil on January 28, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
Just wanted to say that it's nice to hear from more people who were there at the same time I was, regardless if they agree or not with how I feel about the program.

Victoria
Cedu class of december 1993
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2005, 08:13:00 AM
I never did like you,DAVID O.  Good Riddance.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on February 13, 2005, 04:57:00 AM
Dude Jackson,

there wasn't even THE INTERNET when you were at CEDU :smile:

Trivia as to who this person was:

1. You were like a big brother to me
2. I refused a lot, ran away, got off-campus stored at some bounty hunters house, ran away again, went to Ascent, went to RMA in Idaho.
3. I liked computers a lot.
4. Anyhow you made CEDU a much more tolerable place for me, so thank you for that. I will drop you a line.

-S
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2005, 08:37:00 PM
Hey Jackson,

Just saw your post on this site? I was on the other side of Cedu, I guess being faculty and all.
I started working there just a short time before your graduation so I guess you could say it was your peer group that helped me out some and got me adjusted to Cedu.  
I stayed around for about 3 years before moving on to some other life pursuits.  But did want to mention I do think that Cedu got a little gentler after you left.  Maybe that is just a staff perspective?? Since I was able to choose to be there and students didn?t have much choice really?  
Anyway, for what it is worth I relate to feeling disconnected  from Cedu now, there are a few students and a couple staff I keep in touch with infrequently. It feels like another lifetime sometimes.  
Mostly, I miss Wilderness trips!  Anyway,  good to see your post.  Hope all is well with you.

Peace,
Elisabeth Maxwell (Gonella)
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Stangman on February 23, 2005, 12:49:00 AM
I remember you
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2005, 12:48:00 AM
Beau wasn't using anymore. He was staying with his father in London. His family in CT ousted him after he came out.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2005, 02:16:00 AM
Came out? I always though so.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Malia Levin on March 06, 2005, 04:06:00 AM
Hey I pulled my name up on google and got linked to this site. I'm still trying to keep my head up in this L.A. game we call The Industry and haven't sunk the ship yet. Keep in touch.
From another twisted soul
Malia

Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
--Denis Diderot, French encyclopedist

Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Malia Levin on March 06, 2005, 04:06:00 AM
Hey I pulled my name up on google and got linked to this site. I'm still trying to keep my head up in this L.A. game we call The Industry and haven't sunk the ship yet. Keep in touch.
From another twisted soul
Malia

A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela

Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Malia Levin on March 06, 2005, 04:06:00 AM
Hey I pulled my name up on google and got linked to this site. I'm still trying to keep my head up in this L.A. game we call The Industry and haven't sunk the ship yet. Keep in touch.
From another twisted soul
Malia

When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
--
Anonymous . . . for obvious reasons

Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: CEDU IS A CULT on March 09, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
I'm an old friend.  E'mail me at [email protected] if you want- I have to stay anonymous, I'll tell you why.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: vvigil on March 09, 2005, 02:28:00 PM
Hey there- yet another person from the "good" old days. Malia- how have you been? I'm still in LA, working in the Valley, living in Santa Clarita. Think it would be interesting to talk to you! I'm PM'ing you with my work email.
-Victoria
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
"CEDU is a Cult", eh???  Is this the guy who was so fucking proud of having nothing to hide?  Too funny, anybody who searches for "Bryan Felsher" in this site, watch "CEDU is a Cult" pop right out at you.  

Whatsa matter "CEDU", did somebody find your posts here and made you as ashamed of them as you should be you dumb SOB
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: mikehunt on March 13, 2005, 01:50:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-03-06 01:06:00, Malia Levin wrote:

"Hey I pulled my name up on google and got linked to this site. I'm still trying to keep my head up in this L.A. game we call The Industry and haven't sunk the ship yet. Keep in touch.

From another twisted soul

Malia

When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
--
Anonymous . . . for obvious reasons

"

hey malia,
if you are who i think you are, you were werking at cedu toward the end of my stay... you seemed pretty cool. (and according to what i heard from my homie jehni, who spent more time with you afterward, you really were.)
remember me?

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laura solomon[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2005-03-13 10:51 ]
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2005, 04:54:00 PM
hey laura do you remember a kid named dave kasty?
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2005, 05:06:00 PM
Malia went and worked at cedu? How odd!
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: mikehunt on March 15, 2005, 11:00:00 PM
hmm... i don't recognize the name "kasty".
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 01:38:00 AM
Hello,
If any of you remember Don Beck, the teacher, I thought I would let you guys know that he died last Oct 27 '04. This is John Martin, he was my lover since 1982. While he didn't like some of the cultish wierdness at CEDU, he did love the kids he taught. I was going through our scrapbooks, remembering good things of our life together as the anniversary of his death nears and came across photos of his CEDU years. While he loved teaching the kids there, 2 years of it really burned him out.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 10:19:00 AM
When was Don at Cedu?
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: vvigil on October 21, 2005, 10:57:00 AM
I was at cedu during the time you mentioned in a different post (early 90s) and I certainly remember Don. He was in my peer group. He started working there right when I was sent there, along with Rob, Debbie, and John. As I remember it, he also stopped working there while I was still there, but I could be wrong. He was a very nice guy. I never was in any confrontations with him which was rare for me considering my history at that school (seems I was always in trouble for something).

I'm sorry to hear that he passed.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Son Of Serbia on October 21, 2005, 11:23:00 AM
I also remember a Don from Texas who began teaching at Cedu several months before I split in 1992.  Was his last name Beck? I can't remember,but the Don I knew was a really nice guy. If he has passed away, then this is indeed very sad news.  



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[ This Message was edited by: Son Of Serbia on 2005-10-21 08:24 ]
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 08:40:00 PM
Yes,we moved to California from Dallas TX. Like me, Don was actually an accredited school teacher. He used to explain "CEDU speak" to me and all I could think of was the similarity to Scientlogy jargo. While he felt the school seemed to help some students, he thought others were kept there to get their parents paychecks, were there because their parents didn't want to bother any more etc. He was emotionally & intellectually split on CEDU and its merits and thought students should be tracked after they graduated CEDU to scientifically verify the benefits of the program.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Son Of Serbia on October 22, 2005, 09:12:00 AM
Yes, I do remember that Don actually had a degree and he was an accredited teacher. In fact, he was the only qualified teacher I remember having at cedu.  Don was my history teacher (my favorite subject) and I still remember his lessons about the Roman Empire.
I also remember that Don was a pro wrestling
fan(so was I as a kid), and we would talk
about our favorite wrestlers like the Von Erics, Kamala, Ric Flair, the Freebirds, etc.

Again, I knew Don when he first started working at Cedu.  Unlike all the other staff, Don had not been indoctorinated into all the Cedu bullshit psychobabble.  Most Cedu staff talked down to me,and in general treated me like some kind of retarded criminal invalid, incapable of making my own decisions, and unworthy of even having my ideas or opinions heard.

Don was different,because he related to me like a normal person. He never talked down to me, or treated me as if I was inferior to him.  When I talked to him, Don actually listened to what I had to say, and he respected my views and my right to have them, even when they differed from his own. This was very uncommon for cedu staff to do, and I always appreciated Don for being the way he was.  I wish he was still here so I could thank him for that personally.

Please accept my sincerest condolences for your loss, and know that Don has at least one former student who remembers him fondly, and feels better off for having had known him.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: Anonymous on October 23, 2005, 12:56:00 PM
Not just one. I remember Don well and fondly. This is indeed very sad news. John, I send you my heartfelt condolences.
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: jackson nash on May 02, 2006, 05:56:00 PM
Seth!

Seth Greenbaum?!! Am I spelling that right?
I know exactly who you are. And let me say thank you now for amking my stay at the 'Du a little bit easier.
You were great man, I remember a lot of things we talked about: Mortal Komabt, fatalities, hacking, great stuff.

Email me when you read this.

[email protected]

All my best,

Jackson
Title: Jackson Nash 92-95
Post by: jackson nash on May 02, 2006, 06:01:00 PM
I too am extremely sad to hear of the death of yet another friend.
John Martin, if you read this, I wish you my best and send good thoughts your way.

All my best to you,

Jackson