361
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / A heartfelt wish for former staffers...
« on: June 19, 2002, 06:52:00 PM »
A rusty bicycle post! Oh, Sounds exciting! Not all of us where excrement, fresh fallen from the honey wagon.
CL
CL
Fornits
Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora
An open discussion about the troubled parent industry
Show Posts
This section allows you to view all posts made by this member. Note that you can only see posts made in areas you currently have access to.
362
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / atlanta straight
« on: June 15, 2002, 08:27:00 PM »
Hell, I remember you! Well at least the name. I think I was on 5th at the time mostly concentrating on staying away from the building as much as possible! CL
363
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / Was Straight A Government Experiment ?
« on: June 12, 2002, 11:06:00 AM »
I think I'd go find a new Doc and not give him this particular history. I pass kidney stones frequently and some Doc tried this with me and I explained that was like pissing on a forest fire. -CL
364
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / atlanta straight
« on: June 12, 2002, 10:51:00 AM »
kosmonaut - who are you. That was the time frame I was there. -Clay
365
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / anybody remember Sunday?
« on: May 27, 2002, 10:03:00 AM »
Country Clubbers! Gawd I remember that! The constant putting down of other treatment options as being ineffective country clubs.
Opps! Ineffective country clubs who just wanted your money....
Clay
[ This Message was edited by: ClayL on 2002-05-27 07:09 ]
Opps! Ineffective country clubs who just wanted your money....
Clay
[ This Message was edited by: ClayL on 2002-05-27 07:09 ]
366
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / straight control
« on: May 25, 2002, 04:19:00 PM »
kaydeejaded:
Actually, I couldn't agree with you more. To use drugs or not is a personal issue or problem, something the do-gooders and nannies will never understand. It is very difficult to watch someone destroy (or not) their lives while one can only watch. I believe this is a codependency issue and happens when one ties ones ego and well-being to another's actions. The really hellish thing about this is the wacco(s), translates untreated co-dependent(s), that started our lovely straight, inc. is now in a position to spread the gospel concerning treatment and the "war on drugs" in general.
It took a long time to realize there are people that can drink and smoke dope successfully and remain successful. After all, everyone of us here is a victim of the propaganda machine. After therapy after straight I went to college and while there I joined a fraternity. I watched my brothers swill a lot of booze and went to spring break with them once. There were also more than a few dope smokers in the chapter. EVERY one of them is now what I'd term a success, with good carrers, wives and so forth. I married a woman that drinks. I refer to her as my designated drinker. Honestly, I LIKE the effect alcohol has on her. Think about it, you'll know what I mean.
My point is, if these are gateway drugs and no intervention ever happened, then why have things worked out so well for these people? According to the propaganda that I got, they should ALL be dead or dying. I am certain becomming successful happens for the vast majority of people. I would think it abnormal to not experiment, and not wonder about the big deal of booze and dope.
Clay
[ This Message was edited by: ClayL on 2002-05-25 13:23 ]
Actually, I couldn't agree with you more. To use drugs or not is a personal issue or problem, something the do-gooders and nannies will never understand. It is very difficult to watch someone destroy (or not) their lives while one can only watch. I believe this is a codependency issue and happens when one ties ones ego and well-being to another's actions. The really hellish thing about this is the wacco(s), translates untreated co-dependent(s), that started our lovely straight, inc. is now in a position to spread the gospel concerning treatment and the "war on drugs" in general.
It took a long time to realize there are people that can drink and smoke dope successfully and remain successful. After all, everyone of us here is a victim of the propaganda machine. After therapy after straight I went to college and while there I joined a fraternity. I watched my brothers swill a lot of booze and went to spring break with them once. There were also more than a few dope smokers in the chapter. EVERY one of them is now what I'd term a success, with good carrers, wives and so forth. I married a woman that drinks. I refer to her as my designated drinker. Honestly, I LIKE the effect alcohol has on her. Think about it, you'll know what I mean.
My point is, if these are gateway drugs and no intervention ever happened, then why have things worked out so well for these people? According to the propaganda that I got, they should ALL be dead or dying. I am certain becomming successful happens for the vast majority of people. I would think it abnormal to not experiment, and not wonder about the big deal of booze and dope.
Clay
[ This Message was edited by: ClayL on 2002-05-25 13:23 ]
367
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / straight control
« on: May 24, 2002, 04:30:00 PM »
No politician can afford to appear soft on drugs, even though most of them have experimented, is because of the demographics of the people who actually vote. Most of the voting public is older people mid 40's to the elderly. Most of these people are quite terrified of crack-heads and drug crazed bikers. These are also "those" people who need to be locked up because they are Soooooo weak they can't handle their booze or what ever. This is all DRUGS fault, DRUGS have "ruined" our country and so forth. Therefore, a politician who is soft on drugs is an un-American, terrorist supporting, pink-o commie bastard. I guess you get the point. Perhaps this doesn't apply to California as they seem to be a little different. This could be southern bias though.
Further, the District of Columbia is not a state and is goverened, ultimately, by Congress. Therefore DC falls under only federal law. Federal Law forbids the use of marijuna among numerous other chemicals with great entertainment value, or requires a perscription from a licensed physician. Firther, being governed by Congress, Congress is the only body that can make policy changes of that nature. Had DC been a state, the 9th (I think) ammendment would have given them a case against the Fed. Once again proving my initial point that NO politician can afford to appear "soft" on drugs.
Clay
PS Personally, I think all drugs should be legal and have the hell taxed out of them. The money from taxes being solely for the purpose of universal treatment on demand. No question, no "three strikes" nor any other of that nonsense. This is workable, the war on drugs is not.
Further, the District of Columbia is not a state and is goverened, ultimately, by Congress. Therefore DC falls under only federal law. Federal Law forbids the use of marijuna among numerous other chemicals with great entertainment value, or requires a perscription from a licensed physician. Firther, being governed by Congress, Congress is the only body that can make policy changes of that nature. Had DC been a state, the 9th (I think) ammendment would have given them a case against the Fed. Once again proving my initial point that NO politician can afford to appear "soft" on drugs.
Clay
PS Personally, I think all drugs should be legal and have the hell taxed out of them. The money from taxes being solely for the purpose of universal treatment on demand. No question, no "three strikes" nor any other of that nonsense. This is workable, the war on drugs is not.
368
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / atlanta straight
« on: May 23, 2002, 09:24:00 PM »
Holy Shit! I remember you! I think you were on fourth when I got out. I also remember thinking that you were damn young. I remember Dennis (?) when he stabbed that guy and was gone just before the bathroom incident. You know, I've always felt more than a little guilty for the hatred I feel for straight.
Clay
Clay
369
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / straight control
« on: May 23, 2002, 09:12:00 PM »
I just want to say that NO politician can afford to appear "soft on drugs." It would be career ending for them and we know how impertant that is to a politician.
CL
CL
370
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / asking for items.. the Straight way
« on: May 23, 2002, 09:06:00 PM »
You know what's really sad? The staff member you reported youself to was probably all serious and then walked in the office and laughed about it. Unless it was a trainee, then reporting ANYTHING was takling your life into your own hands. God I hated those people; small minded with a little power to lord about.
Clay
Clay
371
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / I AM STRAIGHT
« on: May 23, 2002, 08:37:00 PM »
Carmel:
Really, you shouldn't have!!!! Now I've gotten that God forskaen and cursed thing running throughmy head. Complete with the hand motions!!!!
I could have gone happy to my grave with out that.
Clay
Really, you shouldn't have!!!! Now I've gotten that God forskaen and cursed thing running throughmy head. Complete with the hand motions!!!!
I could have gone happy to my grave with out that.
Clay
372
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / any good days that you can recall?
« on: May 23, 2002, 08:31:00 PM »
I was in Atlanta, you know 2221 Austell Rd., for 20-22 months. (Funny how I can remember that after dang near 15 years.) I spent about 9 months on first phase and the bulk of the time on 5th. If you were going to be a straight lifer 5th was the place to be. The OBServation book was more than a rat sheet and there were 2 of them. One was the 5th phase obsbook where you were expected to write, at least once a week (I think) BS about what you were doing. I know all I put there was BS. The other was for all the other phases. This is where the 5th pahsers praticed pratical politics. You write good stuff about your favorites and make snide comments about other people's favorites. The 5th phasers regularly talked about everybody. When I made 5th I got a different rule sheet than the normal one.
I am honestly an exceptional idiot because when I finally graduated I relasped and then sign myself BACK into straight. This time I became a staff member. Yeah, I know, some of you will now consider me the enemy. I eventually wound up a level 2 junior staff member on the 5th phase team. Being the ranking staff member on this team I was in charge of the days-off schedule. Every so often, I would give clients 8days in a row and then go tell them if I saw them during that time I would be pissed. Eventually, I got taken to task for this practice. Go figure?
The most fun I had though was on 4th phase. I worked it out so most of the guys and I went snow skiing one Sat. It was perhaps the most difficult thing I have ever pulled off. A lot of fun though....
My career (HA!) at straight ended when I resigned calling the executive staff incompetent and nothing but a bunch of stooges and neo-nazis. That went over REAL well. Funny though, you'd think people so big on being honest wouldn't mind hearing it themselves.
Clay
PS Are there any other people from Atlanta here? EarthMother almost sounds like someone I should know....
I am honestly an exceptional idiot because when I finally graduated I relasped and then sign myself BACK into straight. This time I became a staff member. Yeah, I know, some of you will now consider me the enemy. I eventually wound up a level 2 junior staff member on the 5th phase team. Being the ranking staff member on this team I was in charge of the days-off schedule. Every so often, I would give clients 8days in a row and then go tell them if I saw them during that time I would be pissed. Eventually, I got taken to task for this practice. Go figure?
The most fun I had though was on 4th phase. I worked it out so most of the guys and I went snow skiing one Sat. It was perhaps the most difficult thing I have ever pulled off. A lot of fun though....
My career (HA!) at straight ended when I resigned calling the executive staff incompetent and nothing but a bunch of stooges and neo-nazis. That went over REAL well. Funny though, you'd think people so big on being honest wouldn't mind hearing it themselves.
Clay
PS Are there any other people from Atlanta here? EarthMother almost sounds like someone I should know....
373
Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / stuttering
« on: May 23, 2002, 05:41:00 PM »
Hi guys! Just found this and it has been answering several things I couldn't place. I was in Atlanta from '82-84, '86-88 (most of this time on staff).
Let's see from Wes's list:
*stuttering - when under stress
*sleep - I had to sleep with the light on for about 2 years.
* Depression
* PTSD - Not a self-diagnosis
* Difficulty in relationships - Translates doormat
* Drug use - stop 13 years ago
* Suicidal Ideations - I did not tell my threapist about this for fear of being locked up again.
One y'all forgot. Nightmares - I still occasionally have them after almost 20 yrs.
I think I am fairly typical coming out of there.
Clay
Let's see from Wes's list:
*stuttering - when under stress
*sleep - I had to sleep with the light on for about 2 years.
* Depression
* PTSD - Not a self-diagnosis
* Difficulty in relationships - Translates doormat
* Drug use - stop 13 years ago
* Suicidal Ideations - I did not tell my threapist about this for fear of being locked up again.
One y'all forgot. Nightmares - I still occasionally have them after almost 20 yrs.
I think I am fairly typical coming out of there.
Clay