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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Seed Discussion Forum => Topic started by: GregFL on November 02, 2007, 11:04:12 AM

Title: Cool seed advertisement
Post by: GregFL on November 02, 2007, 11:04:12 AM
Check out this link to a full page "seed ad" found and sent to us by 3xaseedling!  I am not sure what magazine or newspaper this ran in but there are some interesting things in it that clear up some of our online debates in this forum.

I am going to invite her to tell us everything she knows about the ad but a couple of points I am going to make..

1) Art Barker '  "doctorate in social sciences" was never used to garner respect or used otherwise  used  for legitimacy.  NOT.  His  "doctorate" from "ft Lauderdale University", a questionable facility that was never authorized to issue doctorate degrees  is bragged up right there in the ad.

2) Art Barkers rejection of public funds in 1974. This was right when the seed started dying as those of us there at the time can attest.  The letter signed by Art Barker was apparently written by someone with legal training and not by Art's hand.  Anyone think I am wrong here?

3) The seed of hope docudrama is mentioned and WE STILL DON"T HAVE A COPY OF IT!  DOOH! (homer simpson voice)  However, we have a trail as it mentioned who produced it...WTVJ channel 4 miami. Anyone down there willing to do some leg work and find these archives and retrieve a copy?   if so I will make copies available to interested parties at my expense for those who have participated in this forum.

any other points of interest worth discussing here?

A big thanks to 3xaseedling!

http://fornits.com/anonanon/theseed/THESEEDtif.jpg (http://fornits.com/anonanon/theseed/THESEEDtif.jpg)
Title: Cool seed advertisement
Post by: GregFL on November 02, 2007, 11:17:07 AM
another point that I have made before is made right in the beginning..


"Art Barker, president and founder of the seed, was previously involved in a 14 year period working with alcoholics, young narcotic addicts, and juvenile delnquents on an invidiviual basis".

Now, anyone who has read this forum knows I have repeatedly said this was Art's claim when I was there, but for some reason no one else seems to remember .  I do.  Now, lo and behold we have it, in print, from an ad straight from the Seed.

BUT I F'N can't get a straight response (no pun intended) as TO WHERE ART WORKED WITH JUVENILES PRIOR TO THE SEED for 14 YEARS!!



Will someone step forward and answer this basic, fundamental question?  Certainly he told someone *WHERE* he learned these techniques, and certainly that someone can now step forward and solve this riddle.

 LETS GET THIS ON THE TABLE ONCE AND FOR ALL.
Title: Cool seed advertisement
Post by: 3xsaSeedling on November 03, 2007, 03:58:37 PM
I always had the impression that his work was "uncertified", for lack of a better word.  That was supposed to be the backbone:  that anyone could grow a backbone at any time, and accomplish all that Art and Shelley and Libby had (oh boy!! :o )
Good to see your post - it's been awhile.
Title: Cool seed advertisement
Post by: GregFL on November 03, 2007, 05:20:29 PM
oops!


 It wasn't 3xaseedling, but rather  Danielremembers.   My apologies.


I didn't associate the name of the person properly with the screen name. My apologies.  Danielremembers, please tell us what you can about the ad. Thanks again for sending it to me!
Title: Cool seed advertisement
Post by: Stripe on November 07, 2007, 04:54:40 PM
3) The seed of hope docudrama is mentioned and WE STILL DON"T HAVE A COPY OF IT! DOOH! (homer simpson voice) However, we have a trail as it mentioned who produced it...WTVJ channel 4 miami. Anyone down there willing to do some leg work and find these archives and retrieve a copy? if so I will make copies available to interested parties at my expense for those who have participated in this forum.

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Well, I can't do right away but in a few weeks I will be more than happy to devote the time it will take.
Title: Cool seed advertisement
Post by: 3xsaSeedling on November 11, 2007, 09:39:46 AM
Stripe:  Let me know when you get ahold of that video?  Seeing that show again is monumentally important to me