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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Elan School => Topic started by: Anonymous on June 05, 2006, 12:29:00 PM
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The Elan School in rural Maine is still beating kids into shape. The tough-love
school that put manners on Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel after a
drunken-driving accident still believes in confrontation. But years of
controversy, scandal and changing sensibilities have made it a somewhat kinder,
gentler place.
When Skakel was a student in 1978, Elan's residents were routinely beaten,
berated and brainwashed into behaving.
The rich sent their emotionally disturbed and drug- and alcohol-abusing kids
there - and paid a stiff price for the privilege.
Their kids paid quite a price, too - as was revealed in the testimony of former
students at Skakel's trial for the 1975 murder of his Greenwich neighbor Martha
Moxley.
They described being forced to wear signs admitting a variety of perceived sins
or faults; being put into a boxing ring to face a series of stronger opponents
until they 'fessed up to those sins; having up to 100 classmates spit at and
verbally abuse them; being paddled; having garbage dumped on their heads.
Similar tales of torture and torment fill a number of Internet sites and are
recounted in the book "Duck in a Raincoat," by Maura Curley.
In one case, a young man describes how he and two girls were raped when they
were locked in a tiny isolation room for days with three boys after being told,
"Whatever goes on in there, goes on."
Noted Curley, "The philosophy was you were abused and you abused."
Today, while confrontation remains a key element of the school's philosophy,
professionals are making the rules and meting out punishment instead of
untrained former residents.
It's better - "but it's still not a walk in the park," Curley said.
Ben Foster, a 1980s Elan alum and now a lead singer of the punk-rock group
Screeching Weasel, paid a visit two years ago and was pleasantly surprised.
"The changes they've made are incredible," he told the Bangor Daily News.
"They're still tough, but there's more compassion than in my day."
Alum Marty Kruglick, now an Elan director, told the paper: "Basically, it's
evolution. As society has changed, so has Elan."
These days, the boxing ring is rarely used - and when it is, it's only for
bullies, said Elan lawyer Ed McCall.
General meetings are still held occasionally, he said, stressing, "There's a
function and a purpose to all of the group encounters."
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(recent article about elan) I dont think this is recent, whats the date on this and where did you find it?
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On 2006-06-05 15:45:00, Anonymous wrote:
"(recent article about elan) I dont think this is recent, whats the date on this and where did you find it?"
I would be interested to know also
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Not a recent article by any means. Screeching weasel hasnt been together in years, Bens visit was quite some time ago... Marty hasnt worked there for some time either.
"Routinely beaten and brainwashed into behaving"
Fuckin hysterical.
Maura Curleys book is a farce, and sheds no light on the Elan subject. Dan Bostdorf is full of himself and promotes his wifes book as if it were written to critisize Elan.
It wasnt. It was a retaliatory exagerated tale written to get back at Joe Ricci for firing her plain and simple. Dan saught out disgruntled former residents and only one verifiable testimony made it into the book. The blurb about Elan is short, and uninformed. Dan Bostdorf is an irritating, self centered, limelight seeking turd. It was pretty disgusting to see him pat himself on the back constantly because the one man grand jury in the Skakel preliminary investigation read the book. Dan claims the book Shed light on Skakels guilt which is a quite a dilusional stretch of the imagination if not a freakin outright fictitious claim to make. The man was obviously seeking his 15 minutes on the coat tails of his wife. The book sold a whopping 4000 copies before taken out of print.
"Its better, but its still not a walk in the park"
Whatever. Maura draws this conclusion from reading the same source of info you and I do.
If you were in Elan, share your story, good or bad. But please dont damage your credibility by promoting stupid uninformed articles such as this one, which is one of many that were sold during the Skakel trial.
Elan isnt selling in the press any more. Nobody gives a shit.
They needed to attach the Kennedy name to the story to sell it.
Why?
Dirty laundry only sells when it belongs to fame and fortune, even though Skakel was just a middle class cousin, its the only thing that sold the Elan story.
The general public doesnt give a fuck what when on in Elan or any other TC without the association to fame and fortune.
Ricci, Kennedy, Ben Weasel...
Without those things, which are weak to begin with (no offense Ben) and a little spin...it wont sell.
And currently...its not.
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On 2006-06-05 18:04:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Not a recent article by any means. Screeching weasel hasnt been together in years, Bens visit was quite some time ago... Marty hasnt worked there for some time either.
"Routinely beaten and brainwashed into behaving"
Fuckin hysterical.
Maura Curleys book is a farce, and sheds no light on the Elan subject. Dan Bostdorf is full of himself and promotes his wifes book as if it were written to critisize Elan.
It wasnt. It was a retaliatory exagerated tale written to get back at Joe Ricci for firing her plain and simple. Dan saught out disgruntled former residents and only one verifiable testimony made it into the book. The blurb about Elan is short, and uninformed. Dan Bostdorf is an irritating, self centered, limelight seeking turd. It was pretty disgusting to see him pat himself on the back constantly because the one man grand jury in the Skakel preliminary investigation read the book. Dan claims the book Shed light on Skakels guilt which is a quite a dilusional stretch of the imagination if not a freakin outright fictitious claim to make. The man was obviously seeking his 15 minutes on the coat tails of his wife. The book sold a whopping 4000 copies before taken out of print.
"Its better, but its still not a walk in the park"
Whatever. Maura draws this conclusion from reading the same source of info you and I do.
If you were in Elan, share your story, good or bad. But please dont damage your credibility by promoting stupid uninformed articles such as this one, which is one of many that were sold during the Skakel trial.
Elan isnt selling in the press any more. Nobody gives a shit.
They needed to attach the Kennedy name to the story to sell it.
Why?
Dirty laundry only sells when it belongs to fame and fortune, even though Skakel was just a middle class cousin, its the only thing that sold the Elan story.
The general public doesnt give a fuck what when on in Elan or any other TC without the association to fame and fortune.
Ricci, Kennedy, Ben Weasel...
Without those things, which are weak to begin with (no offense Ben) and a little spin...it wont sell.
And currently...its not.
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I agree who ever wrote the above... and I have a good Idea who it was... care for a cup of tea and a hot dog? :lol:
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I thought the Curly book was interesting reading and gave me a better idea of what was going on at Scarborough Downs while I was working there.
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On 2006-06-06 10:28:00, xres8182 wrote:
"I thought the Curly book was interesting reading and gave me a better idea of what was going on at Scarborough Downs while I was working there."
I worked there too,I am sure some time before you ...Was a real joke... Joe was always squeezing his nose
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If memory serves me there was 7 or so chapters dedicated to elan .
There were a lot of incidents that were written in that book that made me think I knew who they were talking about . It was a small glimpse (snapshot ) of what elan was like when i was there.
I hope Maura Curley does a follow up. The darn thing would sell like hot cakes .
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On 2006-06-06 17:51:00, Matt C. Hoffman wrote:
"If memory serves me there was 7 or so chapters dedicated to elan .
There were a lot of incidents that were written in that book that made me think I knew who they were talking about . It was a small glimpse (snapshot ) of what elan was like when i was there.
I hope Maura Curley does a follow up. The darn thing would sell like hot cakes ."
7 chapters?
I think youre confusing the topic (Ricci) with his own association with Elan.
Of course Elan gets mention in the book, Ricci owned Elan and Elan gave birth to Riccis furtunes.
But the Elan dialogue in the book was nothing more than assumptions based on anger driven blurbs from former resident(s) Namely a girl who went on to work at the Downs who was fired too.
Theres no doubt in my mind that any speak of Elan from a person who was never there is innacurate and modified to fit the agenda. Can you explain Elan to someone and expect them understand it exactly the way you do?
Sorry but Maura Curley is not nearly talented enough of a writer to give any insight to my stay at Elan.
7 Chapters wouldnt begin to scratch the surface.
And Dan the publisher is even less talented/informed yet he would love to be acknowledged as some sort of advocate...a voice for former Elan residents. Dano, stick to your caribean sunset Jimmy Buffet-esque lore. Youve not the courage to know what lies in the hearts of those who endured Elan. Hell most of us dont have the courage to dig up those bones either.
As for a cup of tea and a hotdog. Post your thoughts of my identity and back up your words by posting your own, or fuck the hell off...troll.
If you didnt spend 27 months in Elan with me, you know absolutely nothing about me.
But continue your anon game, and pretend someone else is playing along... You are very simple to dismiss.
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As for a cup of tea and a hotdog. Post your thoughts of my identity and back up your words by posting your own, or fuck the hell off...troll.
If you didnt spend 27 months in Elan with me, you know absolutely nothing about me.
But continue your anon game, and pretend someone else is playing along... You are very simple to dismiss :
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Well thats not nice at all...
You too are very simple to dismiss :wave:
Man what a nasty person cant even take a joke...
I made a mistake and ya know what it really does not matter who the fuck you are ... you dont sign my paychecks baby!
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On 2006-06-07 16:48:00, artman11111 wrote:
"Maybe thats because your rude,crude,and socially un-acceptable"
He should fit right in at your meetings then, eh? :lol:
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Maybe some one could ask Dan Bostdorf to post the first 7 chapters of his book here for all to see.Afterall its out of print anyway whats he got to lose.
And why do adults need moderators.In the real world aren't adults able to moderate themselves.
Does this site really truly need a babysitter.
As for attacking someone because they go to AA is really low. You are atacking a person for bettering themselves not onl;y is it low it just does not make sense. You can't fault a person for trying to better themselves in any endeavor that they try.
Just my moderator's 2 cents worth
Matt
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And why do adults need moderators.In the real world aren't adults able to moderate themselves.
Does this site really truly need a babysitter
Matt
Do any of these grotesque postings resemble any adult behavior you have encountered? These children are damaged beyond anything I have seen.If you cant see the end result on the horizon,you are delusional as your statement portrays.
You took the job.....
I used to think you took it seriously.We used to trade emails,and exchange comments on this board until you disapeared for 9 mos.During which time,its been open season on Art.I have plenty of self esteem,they cant hurt my feelings or make me feel anything different.I know that average,working people dont think like these clowns,much less write this kinda warped shit. I woulda thought YOU of all people would do something different.Someone who truly knows what being persecuted is all about.We went to the same Elan.. I guess when it all comes down to it.. Some people only talk the talk.Closing Elan will not be the thoughts or the end result of anything posted here.People just look at us with disgust and see no credibility in any of us.You have allowed the ass clowns to destroy what it is you thought would be good.Just about the only thing I ever quit in my life is drinking,fornits will not be next.. I could care less what is written.
It all comes out in the wash... this fall I am doing some much needed laundry.Till then.... Its gonna be an awsome summer
art
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Art
This is not a job .I don't need to baby sit adults . I have 3 children of my own and I don't babysit them .I am a father and a Damn good one .My kids love me .
Don't put your horse shit on me (golly did I say that out loud ) .you have slung Dung with the best of them ,you have baited with the best of them and you have fuked with people .It s like you have only one perception and it is Yours .And go to hell with the rest of the peoples opiniones.
there are some excellent posts in this site Buddy and just because you and the crew that you like to go round and round with (tit for tat )feel that you turn this site in "a very bad place " that "no one will be taken seriously " you Art are saddly mistaken.
If you feel that a bunch of bad words are gonna prevent people from looking thru the garbage to see the truth ,themn my small minded Buddy you are again saddly mistaken.
you in your forceful and mean and derogatory and confrotational fashion have brought this all upon yer self.
Art are you deluded we exchanged a few emails around dec .I don't really feel that we are close buddies and if you do then please dig yourself .
I ask people to have some sense of decorum in this site and if they can't well thats on them. I am tired of you crying about other people when alls what one has to do is go back to Arts first posts on this sight and others.
Sure Art there are sharks in the ocean and in life and on this board and if you don't feel comfortable swimming with them then most certianly don't provoke them .
This is an web site where the people that post are responsible for their own posting , what part of the english language do you not understand .
It has only been about 3 months not NINE months since I have posted on this site and there is a nother Moderator here if you have not noticed.
And I will say it again if you really think that people from the outside world (not in elan ) can't decipher what is real and what is pure crap then you must truly believe that George Bush is having Americans killed in a very inhospitable region because saddam had weapons of mass destruction .
Damn Art your whining has pissed me off and now i feel guilty for snapping at such a defensless twit .Art if you had not provoked or cajoled other people on this board then I would n't be saying this .When you go pointing fingers at other people Art and screaming wolf ....ah it just is not worth it .
I apologize to others on this board I am tired of this back bitting shit .I am not your alls Daddy but I am so very tired of the stupid stuff that is posted here.
Art have a diet coke and enjoy your summer
Matt
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On 2006-06-07 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Art
This is not a job .I don't need to baby sit adults . I have 3 children of my own and I don't babysit them .I am a father and a Damn good one .My kids love me .
Don't put your horse shit on me (golly did I say that out loud ) .you have slung Dung with the best of them ,you have baited with the best of them and you have fuked with people .It s like you have only one perception and it is Yours .And go to hell with the rest of the peoples opiniones.
there are some excellent posts in this site Buddy and just because you and the crew that you like to go round and round with (tit for tat )feel that you turn this site in "a very bad place " that "no one will be taken seriously " you Art are saddly mistaken.
If you feel that a bunch of bad words are gonna prevent people from looking thru the garbage to see the truth ,themn my small minded Buddy you are again saddly mistaken.
you in your forceful and mean and derogatory and confrotational fashion have brought this all upon yer self.
Art are you deluded we exchanged a few emails around dec .I don't really feel that we are close buddies and if you do then please dig yourself .
I ask people to have some sense of decorum in this site and if they can't well thats on them. I am tired of you crying about other people when alls what one has to do is go back to Arts first posts on this sight and others.
Sure Art there are sharks in the ocean and in life and on this board and if you don't feel comfortable swimming with them then most certianly don't provoke them .
This is an web site where the people that post are responsible for their own posting , what part of the english language do you not understand .
It has only been about 3 months not NINE months since I have posted on this site and there is a nother Moderator here if you have not noticed.
And I will say it again if you really think that people from the outside world (not in elan ) can't decipher what is real and what is pure crap then you must truly believe that George Bush is having Americans killed in a very inhospitable region because saddam had weapons of mass destruction .
Damn Art your whining has pissed me off and now i feel guilty for snapping at such a defensless twit .Art if you had not provoked or cajoled other people on this board then I would n't be saying this .When you go pointing fingers at other people Art and screaming wolf ....ah it just is not worth it .
I apologize to others on this board I am tired of this back bitting shit .I am not your alls Daddy but I am so very tired of the stupid stuff that is posted here.
Art have a diet coke and enjoy your summer
Matt"
It has only been about 3 months not NINE months since I have posted on this site and there is a nother Moderator here if you have not noticed
matt you really are delusional
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Your mother's delusional.
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adults dont need moderation/ if this forum had adults posting,the question would not have been posted, would it? simply self explanitorory isnt it.
a statement not a question.
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Your mother's a statement not a question.
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ahh. I see you took my words as an insult. very good indeed. Your not as stupid as you type yourself out to be anon. for only a true fool would state such a comment and not know what the statement truly means. thus verifying ones own statement. Yet proving your stupidity. word for word.
till next time, a fond farwell to you, and good night.
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Your mother proves her stupidity. :lol:
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I don't understand why Matt and Felice,or Ginger for that matter are getting heat around here for the spam and gutter posting. The rules,or lack thereof are clearly stated. How do you justify changing something that isn't yours? We are losing more and more freedoms every day. It's sad.
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On 2006-06-08 07:51:00, xres8182 wrote:
"I don't understand why Matt and Felice,or Ginger for that matter are getting heat around here for the spam and gutter posting. The rules,or lack thereof are clearly stated. How do you justify changing something that isn't yours? We are losing more and more freedoms every day. It's sad. "
We can't have any of that sensical kind of talk around here. It IS Fornits after all, and Elan on Fornits at that! :wstupid:
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I am trying to get the first 7 chapters of the Duck book posted on this site or somewhere related that will be easily available to all who want read it. It would be possibly good for discussions and general banter .
Plus the really big plus is that it will be here and can be used for reference for those who need it. I can't promise but I will try to get it here.
for I go --yeah already been bumped off -- I do want to thank you all for really digging yourselves .It seems there are flare ups and then things return to normal .
some of you have wicked senses of humor and over all seem like a really nice group of people that had the unfortunate experience of being exposed to elan. Bad things happen to Good people
I like sticking with the truth ,we all know that kruglik was not an Indian .He is however a Russian Mongoloid (of Mongol decent ) The truth is far more funny than the fiction .And it is a disservice to Native Americans everywhere .
Is it true that the Mongoloid does not work at elan? see ...I'm serious has he quit his job( in my opinion) of abusing human beings ?
Matt
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On 2006-06-07 19:06:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Art
This is not a job .I don't need to baby sit adults . I have 3 children of my own and I don't babysit them .I am a father and a Damn good one .My kids love me .
Don't put your horse shit on me (golly did I say that out loud ) .you have slung Dung with the best of them ,you have baited with the best of them and you have fuked with people .It s like you have only one perception and it is Yours .And go to hell with the rest of the peoples opiniones.
there are some excellent posts in this site Buddy and just because you and the crew that you like to go round and round with (tit for tat )feel that you turn this site in "a very bad place " that "no one will be taken seriously " you Art are saddly mistaken.
If you feel that a bunch of bad words are gonna prevent people from looking thru the garbage to see the truth ,themn my small minded Buddy you are again saddly mistaken.
you in your forceful and mean and derogatory and confrotational fashion have brought this all upon yer self.
Art are you deluded we exchanged a few emails around dec .I don't really feel that we are close buddies and if you do then please dig yourself .
I ask people to have some sense of decorum in this site and if they can't well thats on them. I am tired of you crying about other people when alls what one has to do is go back to Arts first posts on this sight and others.
Sure Art there are sharks in the ocean and in life and on this board and if you don't feel comfortable swimming with them then most certianly don't provoke them .
This is an web site where the people that post are responsible for their own posting , what part of the english language do you not understand .
It has only been about 3 months not NINE months since I have posted on this site and there is a nother Moderator here if you have not noticed.
And I will say it again if you really think that people from the outside world (not in elan ) can't decipher what is real and what is pure crap then you must truly believe that George Bush is having Americans killed in a very inhospitable region because saddam had weapons of mass destruction .
Damn Art your whining has pissed me off and now i feel guilty for snapping at such a defensless twit .Art if you had not provoked or cajoled other people on this board then I would n't be saying this .When you go pointing fingers at other people Art and screaming wolf ....ah it just is not worth it .
I apologize to others on this board I am tired of this back bitting shit .I am not your alls Daddy but I am so very tired of the stupid stuff that is posted here.
Art have a diet coke and enjoy your summer
Matt"
Well said Matt, and yes it is true
Artie has instigated most of the crap here.
Artie claims it doesnt bother him but still
goes around instigating and baiting this forum to keep the arguments going.
He bad mouths Ginger, and has nothing nice to say about anyone except himself, why the hell even bother coming here Art?
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Im so fuckin sick of reading Art this and Art that.
Shut the fuck up. Get a fucking life you morons. Who fuckin cares what sick, demented tale you can come up with and attach Arts name to. Even the most creative posts ever made here are mediocre, scumbag musings that nobody else is remotely interested in, and usually they are followed by the author laughing at himself to make it look like someone else thought it was funny too.
Its not funny, nothing here comes close to being funny. Its fucking stupid plain and simple.
This site is a little like sitting in a bar with a bunch of fucking low life drunks you wouldnt be caught dead with at any other time or place, but you stay and unwittingly mingle for one more beer.
Its a god-damned train wreck in here, a tragedy with a few rubber neckers who cant ignore it.
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And you're the dour fuck sitting there cussing and muttering to himself.. :lol:
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On 2006-06-09 11:25:00, Lord Obnoxio wrote:
"And you're the dour fuck sitting there cussing and muttering to himself.. :lol:"
And youre the fly on the wall?
Moron. Have another glass of distilled SHIT.
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Moron. Have another glass of distilled SHIT.
:flame: :lol:
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On 2006-06-09 11:21:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Im so fuckin sick of reading Art this and Art that.
Shut the fuck up. Get a fucking life you morons. Who fuckin cares what sick, demented tale you can come up with and attach Arts name to. Even the most creative posts ever made here are mediocre, scumbag musings that nobody else is remotely interested in, and usually they are followed by the author laughing at himself to make it look like someone else thought it was funny too.
Its not funny, nothing here comes close to being funny. Its fucking stupid plain and simple.
This site is a little like sitting in a bar with a bunch of fucking low life drunks you wouldnt be caught dead with at any other time or place, but you stay and unwittingly mingle for one more beer.
Its a god-damned train wreck in here, a tragedy with a few rubber neckers who cant ignore it.
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Wow, you just described in a nut shell exactly
what Art does at this forum, well said, well said indeed!
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Umm I guess I would agree with this site being a train wreck. And people who write really looong posts just bore me. Keep in a little shorter- nobody wants to hear you rant and rave about things you deem important and/or just like to hear yourself speak. If you have something to say, you should say it, but this whole making up a 3 page story about Marty screwing little boys or something is so untrue and stupid.
Speaking of long stories, I went to school for English and always wanted to write a book. As far as I know there haven't been many books about Elan other than Duck in a Raincoat. Maybe like a day to day story of my life while I was there and some people I met (with their names changed of course). Has anyone else ever thought about this?
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How bout a book about our Elan experience? We all contribute a story. I can tell about the 3 house just after lunch,the chicken chow mein breath,the chunks flying ,how sweet.
Boy oh boy beats horse back riding any day.....
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hell yes,, i could tell about the nite L.R sliced the lenghth of both arms and gottlieb made us hold him down while he poured rubbing alchohol on them.now thats a elan experiance ill never forget
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I cannot for the life of me get my hands on a copy of Duck in a Raincoat. However just think is we could find a credible author to sit down and talk with all of us. A BIG THICK BOOK, that a highly skilled person wrote might be able to somewhat scratch the surface. I myself have tried to fully explain Elan to about 3 people in the decade I have been out. Most of the time over drinks, since that is the only way to set emotion aside and recal the raw shit. I brought all three people to tears. I'm not saying I am amazing, they were just close people to me and any normal civilian who listens to stories of helpless 13-17 year old kids being abused the way we were would be moved in some way
The national foster care society has done tons of research on kids who go through similar things. Lke me Im sure ELAN wasn't the ONLY place you guys went too. I was in 14 different intstitutions. The fact that really suprised me is that children (especially tweens and teens) who bounce around from foster home to placement end up with irreversable damage to their minds. ANYONE who went through elan for more than 24 months would be diagnosed with post trumatic stress disorders, and disordered thinking in many other varients that have such a wide range I couldn't begin to start a list.
"The trauma a teenager endures who has lived a life away from any sort family or loved one, full of abuse, neglect,daily intimidation, and lack of identity or freedom is 75% more dangerous than that of a Vietnam Veteran"
HA! Lack of frredom and identity-If we had an identity it was unnaceptable. GUILTY: IMAGING OUT
Lack of freedom, the most freedom you could have at Elan was pulling for hours upon hours on a post usually the size of a bathroom stall sitting in a metal chair, with nothing but meaningless (busywork) paper work to keep yourself occupied. If you asked your parents to please let you come home...GUILTY:MANIPULATION
Living life neglected without loved one's or family, how many times did Marc Mrty or Jeff tell students that "oour parents don't want us! They threw us away, we are at the bottom of society, NOBODY LOVED US! We were punks, the world had no use for us" If we tried to find love to fill that hole or close "normal friends" at elan GUILTY:PLAYING GAMES/CONTRACTING OUT
Neglect? Who was sleep deprived? Who was forced to hold their urine and feces inside their bodies for hours upon hours? Who was not able to smell fresh air? Who was not able to speak, smile, walk,cry, laugh, play, eat when hungry, sit down when our knees fingers or feet hurt, go to bed when critically ill, NONE OF US
AND NO ONE CARED. lack of compassion
GUILTY:BEING LOOSE, TOUGHEN UP, TIGHTEN UP, PROCRASTINATING, MANIPULATING, BEING SIDEWAYS
THis list is endless. We were abused. The statuet of limitations has run out, but imagine a book being put together. We could all make it. It would be amazing. I still have nightmares if not every night at least 4 times a week.
I am in Elan, I can't get out.
I have develpoed insatiable claustrophobia from that sardine filled dining room.
I watch television shows such as the Apprentice, American Idol, So you think you can dance...Andall I see is Dealing crews.
OUR COUNTRY SAYS SIMON FROM AMERICAN IDOL IS JUST CRUEL! WHAT A MEAN HORRIBLE MAN! HOW CAN HE SAY SUCH THINGS TO THESE KIDS! THEY ARE GOING TO BE TRAUMATIZED!
And why???? Becuase he told a kids who can't sing well that "Their performance was awful, they have no future in being a performing artist"
OMG- BIG DEAL! HE'S RIGHT!
Our country is so fast to think that is so inhumane. Imagine what they would do if they read a book FULLLLL of the acounts that went on at Elan.
If this book somehow became a best seller...ELAN WOULD CLOSE. Forever.
Would that take away our tattered emotional wounds? No.
Would we fee some closure? Maybe
Would we save future children from being sen there. YES
I want to make this happen. I just don't know where to begin.
I know a guy named Pete Moore is an amazing journalist. I think he could help. Obviously Jordan wasn't grown up enough when he tried to make his movie...BUT DONT GIVE UP HOPE!
Just because one thing fails, doesn't mean it is our destiny to fail. Elan told us we were failures... They brainwashed us to believe it! You all take so much time writing this on Fornits, we have so much power behind us. We are adults now, we can make it happen. I wish somebody was willing to help me here. Sorry to sound so much like I HAVE A DREAM!!!!! hahahaha, but truley, wouldn't you like to see this happen?
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No,not really. Are you all right. Maybe you should call a help line or sumptin.
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Umm well I understand where you are coming from...and yes I went to 4 other programs..maybe 5 I don't remember. Yes I was emotionally fucked by all of it but if I wrote a book I'd have to leave out a lot of that "fuck Elan, we're going to make sure you close down someday."
Because compared to the other places I went to, Elan wasn't that bad! But I have often been told that I am this kind of person that doesn't have any feelings but it's really not true.
But (and I don't think I would preach to people in my book about whether to hate Elan or not) for people that say I was fucked up by this and that general meeting, dealing crews, etc I would say "Suck it up!"
There are a hell of a lot worse things out there. I mean, dealing crews were ridiculous and laughable! The faces people made while giving a VR, the tone of their voice, the way they sat was just plain laughable. Did you ever get a VR for laughing in the middle of a VR? I did, several times!
Anyway writing a book about Elan would be tough. But, I will try. A friend of mine who went to Elan around the same time I did met up with an infamous staff member out in Vegas. He told the staff memeber about maybe doing a documentery about Elan. The staff memeber said that if anyone ever did that Elan would be exposed and eventually shut down. So I guess if you really want to shut Elan down, expose it in a bad light to the rest of the world. That wouldn't be my purpose though.
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On 2006-06-15 14:22:00, xres8182 wrote:
"No,not really. Are you all right. Maybe you should call a help line or sumptin."
i think its healthy for her to get it off her chest.Maybe she just needs a friend.
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i must say ,, outlaw,, it sounds like you went to the day care elan. not to minimize your exp, but old school was alot differant.someone has alot of pent up emos about that hell hole, they wuoldnt take the time to make such a post otherwise, but in my humble opinion, is all water under the bridge.the elan that ABUSED the peeps i know and saw is gone, is now a boarding school. yes the sick fucks that run it are mostly still there, but unless you have the kind of big money it takes to jump into the legal system ,or have an ad agency at your disposal,its not gonna happen.and fornits is not the place to start,, the shiteaters will be all over this in a min,, they disrupt any real conversations,,
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On 2006-06-16 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i must say ,, outlaw,, it sounds like you went to the day care elan. not to minimize your exp, but old school was alot differant.someone has alot of pent up emos about that hell hole, they wuoldnt take the time to make such a post otherwise, but in my humble opinion, is all water under the bridge.the elan that ABUSED the peeps i know and saw is gone, is now a boarding school. yes the sick fucks that run it are mostly still there, but unless you have the kind of big money it takes to jump into the legal system ,or have an ad agency at your disposal,its not gonna happen.and fornits is not the place to start,, the shiteaters will be all over this in a min,, they disrupt any real conversations,, "
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On 2006-06-16 12:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
"i must say ,, outlaw,, it sounds like you went to the day care elan."
No actually I found Elan to be very fucked up. I know though, I've heard about some stuff that happened in the early 80's and prior to that...like the 70's. People were put in cages and made into prisoners.
But anyway--what's the big deal about anything that happened to you people who were there from the years '94 to present day? I'd like to know.
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On 2006-06-15 03:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How bout a book about our Elan experience? We all contribute a story. I can tell about the 3 house just after lunch,the chicken chow mein breath,the chunks flying ,how sweet.
Boy oh boy beats horse back riding any day....."
I suppose we know each other? Who is this?
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That was Larson right. That dude was F'd up.
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On 2006-06-06 23:41:00, Anonymous wrote:
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On 2006-06-06 17:51:00, Matt C. Hoffman wrote:
"If memory serves me there was 7 or so chapters dedicated to elan .
There were a lot of incidents that were written in that book that made me think I knew who they were talking about . It was a small glimpse (snapshot ) of what elan was like when i was there.
I hope Maura Curley does a follow up. The darn thing would sell like hot cakes ."
7 chapters?
I think youre confusing the topic (Ricci) with his own association with Elan.
Of course Elan gets mention in the book, Ricci owned Elan and Elan gave birth to Riccis furtunes.
But the Elan dialogue in the book was nothing more than assumptions based on anger driven blurbs from former resident(s) Namely a girl who went on to work at the Downs who was fired too.
Theres no doubt in my mind that any speak of Elan from a person who was never there is innacurate and modified to fit the agenda. Can you explain Elan to someone and expect them understand it exactly the way you do?
Sorry but Maura Curley is not nearly talented enough of a writer to give any insight to my stay at Elan.
7 Chapters wouldnt begin to scratch the :tup: .
And Dan the publisher is even less talented/informed yet he would love to be acknowledged as some sort of advocate...a voice for former Elan residents. Dano, stick to your caribean sunset Jimmy Buffet-esque lore. Youve not the courage to know what lies in the hearts of those who endured Elan. Hell most of us dont have the courage to dig up those bones either.
As for a cup of tea and a hotdog. Post your thoughts of my identity and back up your words by posting your own, or fuck the hell off...troll.
If you didnt spend 27 months in Elan with me, you know absolutely nothing about me.
But continue your anon game, and pretend someone else is playing along... You are very simple to dismiss.
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Have you read the material? Some if not most of the portrayal is very accurate. Kudos to their efforts
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On 2006-06-21 04:02:00, Outlaw wrote:
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On 2006-06-15 03:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How bout a book about our Elan experience? We all contribute a story. I can tell about the 3 house just after lunch,the chicken chow mein breath,the chunks flying ,how sweet.
Boy oh boy beats horse back riding any day....."
Seriously.... who wrote this?? Send me a private message if need be.
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I was not a friend of yours but we were in the same house...
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4641749706...copy and paste these numbers and paste it on ebay's search engine
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Thanx for the ebay link, 65$ is alot for a book but who knows it may be worth it to the buyer.
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On 2006-07-03 19:33:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I was not a friend of yours but we were in the same house..."
Ok..it's obvious that you know me which isn't that common on this website- or maybe it is and I just don't know it because a lot of people are anynoumous. What are your initials?
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Email me at [email protected]
free to ex elan residents...survivors...whatever
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Dan Bostdorf?
When are you going to fuck the hell off?
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr Dan B is a lot like all of you.
Delusional. Retarded, pathological.
Thats right kids, I said retarded. Mr Bostdorf not only claims to have provided some sort of relevant information to the Skakel conviction as well as some sort of insight to the Elan TC....by "publishing" a book his wife wrote as a retaliation to Joe Ricci for fucking her and then firing her...he now claims to be producing a publication that focuses on mental illness and the invalid stigma it produces?
Dan, you are not a "publisher" any more than Micheal Skakel was a "Kennedy" And now you want your fantasy world audience of "victims" to believe your are somehow qualified to comment on mental illness? Did you happen to sell your 11 houses on 7 continents and go buy a med degree?
Dan, being mentally ill only qualifies you to receive treatment, not to dispense it or comment from the outside looking in.
You are not a victims advocate. Nobody asked you to be, nobody wants you to be. You have no authority to comment on Elan and mental illness or how the two may or may not have had some weak link.
Theres no fucking intelligent life in this Elan section of the waste of internet space that fornits is... So I have little worry that you will become the Pied Piper you think you are and think you could be.
But if any of the retards here happen to wake up and see reality for a second, they might come to understand that you are fighting to label them, and then exploiting their victim status.... for what?
Certainly not their own resolve and closure! If your goal lead to positive means to an end, you'd have nothing to fucking do than to write your silly VI blurbs. The trial is over Dan, Joe Riccis persecution is over Dan...good job,now go the fuck away.
Anything relevant to Elan that youve come to know and understand is not only second hand news. It is also quite dated and favors your own silly biased agenda....Which makes you a whore Dan. A fucking media bitch with no more credibility than Dom Dunne had with finding and convicting a child murderer.
Please go to hell Dan. Or at least confine yourself in an appropriate institution. The real world doesnt miss you, nor does it want you back.
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At least he is not a coward Doug
he like many of us sign our name
Who the fuck made you the treatment center or better yet Fornist Police
You really should go back to the bottle( though i suspect you are already living that dream)
you are one nasty fucker
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Shut the hell up Artie! Doug did not post that crap it was you! It is always you! FREAK! Go find your gay lover Juan Sanchez!
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YES YES
Its the "all powerful Art.....
Go fuck yourself coward
play your little girl games and throw your childish insults
Its you thats making an ass out of you
And truthfully.. I am amused
You are not irritating. You are just a couple of sick freaks.Looking to say,post the sickest things that you can come up with...
No thats talent folks !
:cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
You do know the complaint phone number ?
1-800- :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2: :cry2:
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At least he is not a coward Doug
he like many of us sign our name
Who the fuck made you the treatment center or better yet Fornist Police
You really should go back to the bottle( though i suspect you are already living that dream)
you are one nasty fucker
musta struck a chord? is it the vodka,or the crack cocaine
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I didn't have to sign Art. You know who the fuck wrote it and to be perfectly honest, it makes no difference who wrote it or with what credibility you assign to its author. Your opinion of it is irrelevant, void, moot....inconsequential...
At least I write something of substance when I come here Art.(with a little proper grammar and punctuation) Which isnt nearly as often as you and the rest of the paranoid trolls think it is. Ive got a business to run, relationships to maintain and nothing bad in my life to blame on my stay in Elan some 26 years ago.
Funny how that works out isnt it Art?
I can come and go as I please Mr Fornits. I find it to be a mild form of entertainment to drop by about every three months to witness your misery, and provoke just a tiny bit more of it by posting an opinion and feeling completely unchallenged by some random evaluation of it, from you, or anyone else.
Sleep well Art, fornits will still be here in the morning. But fortunately I wont be. Not that Ill be off on some glamorous vacation or polishing my new truck. Ive just got better things to do. Dont you?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Damn Artie, they really handed you your ass in a silver platter this time. Betcha you are feeling real little after reading that?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Yes Doug We have all seen your substance.You are full of substance.you continue to play your little girl games.They must make you feel so mature
I too have a business to run. Its my business,and i do quite well.This Fornits is a detour from time to time thoughout the day,and I find it pretty funny. I find it revolting that you play this game regardless of your 90 day statements.You are dishonest and mean spirited. I have no use for you.You can join the realm of the Draino drinkers,hopefully that will end your misery. Get some help!
Dont be an asswipe like ths children here,they are half your age.
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I didn't have to sign Art. You know who the fuck wrote it and to be perfectly honest, it makes no difference who wrote it or with what credibility you assign to its author. Your opinion of it is irrelevant, void, moot....inconsequential...
At least I write something of substance when I come here Art.(with a little proper grammar and punctuation) Which isnt nearly as often as you and the rest of the paranoid trolls think it is. Ive got a business to run, relationships to maintain and nothing bad in my life to blame on my stay in Elan some 26 years ago.
Funny how that works out isnt it Art?
I can come and go as I please Mr Fornits. I find it to be a mild form of entertainment to drop by about every three months to witness your misery, and provoke just a tiny bit more of it by posting an opinion and feeling completely unchallenged by some random evaluation of it, from you, or anyone else.
Sleep well Art, fornits will still be here in the morning. But fortunately I wont be. Not that Ill be off on some glamorous vacation or polishing my new truck. Ive just got better things to do. Dont you?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Me thinks thy lad is a tad bit stuck on himself! Stop giving YOURSELF a better life than you truly have...Only YOU believe the delusional world you created for yourself and try to sell to us on Fornits...You speak as if you are doing us a favor by posting your psuedo intellectual posts here for us to read. After all we all are a bunch of re-re's that only come here hoping to learn about life and how to live it from you,right? Hell, I know I cry myself to sleep everynight your NOT here spewing your pearls of wisdom to us little people...
You were in Elan "some 26 years ago" so that means your old.
Is it not sad that someone as old as you are comes to a mostly anonymous sight to insult people that may or may not be the people they are pretending to be?
A lot of us maybe the majority of us are a hell of a lot younger than you too.
Hell, I could be Art or I could be mother fuckin Shirley Temple..Or Tania Merrette...Or Joe fuckin Ricci...
Who ARE you to "insult" a bunch of anonymous posters? Pull your "my shit don't stink" crap (oh that WAS funny...shit don't stink crap..LOL) on a sight where people at least use their real fucking names. Even up the playing field a little...
You claim to only come here every 3 or so months...Why is that
you WANT us to believe you're so busy and have such a fufilling life in the real world that Fornits/Elan site is a after though to you..It is obviously very important to you. You STRESS that to us all..
You are HERE every tootin day just waiting with baited breath for the oppurtunity to post one of your insightfull, witty posts (in YOUR opinion anyway...) IF you felt "completely unchallenged" by one of us underlings critiquing your posts then why even mention it?
Why are you calling ATTENTION to it?
You are doing just what you said you don't care about and you're doing it intentionally. Therefore you're a liar and a hypocrite and an attention seeker..
So I hope me paying attention to you and your post that you were not writing to seek attention bakes your cookies sweetpea..
It is bad enough to have to be a regular here and to have to put up with the other crackheads (regulars and not so..) BUT to take crap from an amateur in the tit for tat game that claims to NOT be a regular is just plain old insulting to everyone...
Isn't there another Elan site out there that you can go to?
You know the one where everyone graduated as a "Full (of shit) Coordinator" and creme's in their panties when someone like you posts about their oh so successfull life that they have Elan and Marty to thank for? Where you all conduct a circle jerk off while reading old "Coordinator Meeting" notes?
Why don't you go there sporto? If we are so beneath don't allow yourself to be put in the posistion to be "tainted" by our "cooties"..
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Geez dude. Next time you visit your shrink, ask for the Thorazine!
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I didn't have to sign Art. You know who the fuck wrote it and to be perfectly honest, it makes no difference who wrote it or with what credibility you assign to its author. Your opinion of it is irrelevant, void, moot....inconsequential...
At least I write something of substance when I come here Art.(with a little proper grammar and punctuation) Which isnt nearly as often as you and the rest of the paranoid trolls think it is. Ive got a business to run, relationships to maintain and nothing bad in my life to blame on my stay in Elan some 26 years ago.
Funny how that works out isnt it Art?
I can come and go as I please Mr Fornits. I find it to be a mild form of entertainment to drop by about every three months to witness your misery, and provoke just a tiny bit more of it by posting an opinion and feeling completely unchallenged by some random evaluation of it, from you, or anyone else.
Sleep well Art, fornits will still be here in the morning. But fortunately I wont be. Not that Ill be off on some glamorous vacation or polishing my new truck. Ive just got better things to do. Dont you?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Me thinks thy lad is a tad bit stuck on himself! Stop giving YOURSELF a better life than you truly have...Only YOU believe the delusional world you created for yourself and try to sell to us on Fornits...You speak as if you are doing us a favor by posting your psuedo intellectual posts here for us to read. After all we all are a bunch of re-re's that only come here hoping to learn about life and how to live it from you,right? Hell, I know I cry myself to sleep everynight your NOT here spewing your pearls of wisdom to us little people...
You were in Elan "some 26 years ago" so that means your old.
Is it not sad that someone as old as you are comes to a mostly anonymous sight to insult people that may or may not be the people they are pretending to be?
A lot of us maybe the majority of us are a hell of a lot younger than you too.
Hell, I could be Art or I could be mother fuckin Shirley Temple..Or Tania Merrette...Or Joe fuckin Ricci...
Who ARE you to "insult" a bunch of anonymous posters? Pull your "my shit don't stink" crap (oh that WAS funny...shit don't stink crap..LOL) on a sight where people at least use their real fucking names. Even up the playing field a little...
You claim to only come here every 3 or so months...Why is that
you WANT us to believe you're so busy and have such a fufilling life in the real world that Fornits/Elan site is a after though to you..It is obviously very important to you. You STRESS that to us all..
You are HERE every tootin day just waiting with baited breath for the oppurtunity to post one of your insightfull, witty posts (in YOUR opinion anyway...) IF you felt "completely unchallenged" by one of us underlings critiquing your posts then why even mention it?
Why are you calling ATTENTION to it?
You are doing just what you said you don't care about and you're doing it intentionally. Therefore you're a liar and a hypocrite and an attention seeker..
So I hope me paying attention to you and your post that you were not writing to seek attention bakes your cookies sweetpea..
It is bad enough to have to be a regular here and to have to put up with the other crackheads (regulars and not so..) BUT to take crap from an amateur in the tit for tat game that claims to NOT be a regular is just plain old insulting to everyone...
Isn't there another Elan site out there that you can go to?
You know the one where everyone graduated as a "Full (of shit) Coordinator" and creme's in their panties when someone like you posts about their oh so successfull life that they have Elan and Marty to thank for? Where you all conduct a circle jerk off while reading old "Coordinator Meeting" notes?
Why don't you go there sporto? If we are so beneath don't allow yourself to be put in the posistion to be "tainted" by our "cooties"..
I would say that Doug got HIS ass handed to him
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The majority of former Elan residents support the book i published.
Out of the 823 copies gien away free, we have had only 2 negative responses.
The "Elan Apologist" attack from one side....Doug and his ilk from the side of those who are per,anently brain damaged from their experience at Elan.
I feel sorry for Doug--and people like him who post the trash they do-- All he has is his anger. And I'm the easy target.
Dougie boy---time to find a new traget---how about those at Elan responsible for your current state of mind?
Regards
Dan Bostdorf
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Geez dude. Next time you visit your shrink, ask for the Thorazine!
I agree; that stupid, cunt-faced NIGGER should shut his fucking piehole!!! :cry2: :rofl:
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Dan
You are reachin pretty far i think. Though I think your intentions are admirable,sometimes its just not for you to say. you are ot a Dr.
At some point we (all) have to look past our experiences in Me. Make a decision as to whether we will live as victims,or get past it.
Its clear there are many victims here.Many HAVE gotten past it and ARE nice people. This didnt happen with out some struggles.But children grow up.They let go of the negative parts of their lives and move on. I suggest you try that. Unless being a victim is a comfortable place for you,I think you are better than that.
Best regards
art
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I agree; that stupid, cunt-faced NIGGER should shut his fucking piehole!!!
nice try
but that stuff just doesnt have the same effect it did in the past
Just makes you look like the ignorant,stupid fucker you project yourself to be.
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Shut up, sausage tits. :rofl:
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Shut up, sausage tits. :rofl:
good one... very adult like...
If you cant compete in a conversation,we understand.Its not your fault you are an imature little boy..or is it?
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Here, you fat pervert:
(http://http://www.magazines.com/magcom/covers/0/06/046/0060461.jpg)
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oh good Andy knows how to copy and paste
Give the little boy a cookie
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Are you accusing me of something illegal young man?
Plz....BE SPECIFIC!
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I don't know..is giving head under a desk illegaL? :rofl:
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As long as you are willing to swallow,my desk is available.
Whats the matter boy? Lose your nerve?
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More sexual inuendo
Whats next,your fecal fantasies?
I dont know why i even bother.Now i feel guilty for picking on the mentally ill
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That's because you are mentally ill Arthur. Forty something year olds just don't talk about stuff like that. I could understand if you were in your teens- early twenties, but mid forties??
We all know you are gay by now, it's no longer a secret. We also don't hold it against you, in todays world, anythings possible.
Why don't you at least try for one single day to focus your energy on Elan, they are the top subject here. Maybe if you start to use this site for what it's worth, you would see this place as a whole new different experience.
We're all lured to this board for one reason, that reason be Elan. I've read stuff by you in the past where as you complained about the focus is always on other people vs Elan. Well you are the one who is holding everything back and keeping the focus off Elan and on other people believe it or not. I think you purposely enjoy causing distruption at this board, you sure do keep the ball of disruption rolling day by day, month after month, year by year, ect.
And where has all this brought you in life? Nowhere.. You continue to make yourself the head topic here in a bad way, and they all are laughing at you, not with you. If I were you, and thankfully I am not, I would take a break from fornits and rethink my life.
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Rethink my life?
Prob some good advice for the idiots posting their trash mouth stories. My life is pretty damn good.But thanks for the concern. Now go fuck yourself.
Would be nice to post and chat about things here,but you dont care for that. that takes the attention and focus off yourself.
Believe it or not,its not about you.Its you and your antics that make fornits the cesspool that it is. Just so you can get some attention.
Gay? Not me.. but I have plenty of your posts in a file that have you promoting gay sex,and fecal matter.Should I re-post them.Your memory must be failing.Try a little less meth.Get a good meal. Hug your mom (upstairs).Join the human race.Noone here is impressed with your command of the english language.You are a foul mouthed little bitch, desperately in need of a quality asskicking.Come see me,will help you out.Oh thats right,you havent any guts mr anon !
Where I come from,they call you TROLL.Amoungst other things.
Have a great day,I have a plane to catch!
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More sexual inuendo
Whats next,your fecal fantasies?
I dont know why i even bother.Now i feel guilty for picking on the mentally ill
. ::roflmao:: ::roflmao:: ::roflmao::
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I didn't have to sign Art. You know who the fuck wrote it and to be perfectly honest, it makes no difference who wrote it or with what credibility you assign to its author. Your opinion of it is irrelevant, void, moot....inconsequential...
At least I write something of substance when I come here Art.(with a little proper grammar and punctuation) Which isnt nearly as often as you and the rest of the paranoid trolls think it is. Ive got a business to run, relationships to maintain and nothing bad in my life to blame on my stay in Elan some 26 years ago.
Funny how that works out isnt it Art?
I can come and go as I please Mr Fornits. I find it to be a mild form of entertainment to drop by about every three months to witness your misery, and provoke just a tiny bit more of it by posting an opinion and feeling completely unchallenged by some random evaluation of it, from you, or anyone else.
Sleep well Art, fornits will still be here in the morning. But fortunately I wont be. Not that Ill be off on some glamorous vacation or polishing my new truck. Ive just got better things to do. Dont you?
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Me thinks thy lad is a tad bit stuck on himself! Stop giving YOURSELF a better life than you truly have...Only YOU believe the delusional world you created for yourself and try to sell to us on Fornits...You speak as if you are doing us a favor by posting your psuedo intellectual posts here for us to read. After all we all are a bunch of re-re's that only come here hoping to learn about life and how to live it from you,right? Hell, I know I cry myself to sleep everynight your NOT here spewing your pearls of wisdom to us little people...
You were in Elan "some 26 years ago" so that means your old.
Is it not sad that someone as old as you are comes to a mostly anonymous sight to insult people that may or may not be the people they are pretending to be?
A lot of us maybe the majority of us are a hell of a lot younger than you too.
Hell, I could be Art or I could be mother fuckin Shirley Temple..Or Tania Merrette...Or Joe fuckin Ricci...
Who ARE you to "insult" a bunch of anonymous posters? Pull your "my shit don't stink" crap (oh that WAS funny...shit don't stink crap..LOL) on a sight where people at least use their real fucking names. Even up the playing field a little...
You claim to only come here every 3 or so months...Why is that
you WANT us to believe you're so busy and have such a fufilling life in the real world that Fornits/Elan site is a after though to you..It is obviously very important to you. You STRESS that to us all..
You are HERE every tootin day just waiting with baited breath for the oppurtunity to post one of your insightfull, witty posts (in YOUR opinion anyway...) IF you felt "completely unchallenged" by one of us underlings critiquing your posts then why even mention it?
Why are you calling ATTENTION to it?
You are doing just what you said you don't care about and you're doing it intentionally. Therefore you're a liar and a hypocrite and an attention seeker..
So I hope me paying attention to you and your post that you were not writing to seek attention bakes your cookies sweetpea..
It is bad enough to have to be a regular here and to have to put up with the other crackheads (regulars and not so..) BUT to take crap from an amateur in the tit for tat game that claims to NOT be a regular is just plain old insulting to everyone...
Isn't there another Elan site out there that you can go to?
You know the one where everyone graduated as a "Full (of shit) Coordinator" and creme's in their panties when someone like you posts about their oh so successfull life that they have Elan and Marty to thank for? Where you all conduct a circle jerk off while reading old "Coordinator Meeting" notes?
Why don't you go there sporto? If we are so beneath don't allow yourself to be put in the posistion to be "tainted" by our "cooties"..
I would say that Doug got HIS ass handed to him
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