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Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2005, 12:28:00 AM
anyone remember no talks?
Title: no talks
Post by: funnygirl on August 20, 2005, 04:36:00 AM
Yes! I remember off talk. I was off talk for almost 3 months. lol
Title: no talks
Post by: katfish on August 20, 2005, 12:17:00 PM
it wasn't 'no talks' but 'off talk', right?  how come you were put off talk, cotter?   holy shit, for 3 months! i think that's the longest i've heard of anyone being off talk!
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on August 21, 2005, 01:53:00 AM
I remember being off talk.
I don't remember how many times i was off talk or for how long. Can't count them. for the 3 years I was there I was off talk for most of it.
I was off talk, cause I was so angry and yes, outrightly being a bitch....
Cotter...maybe you can remember how long and how often I didn't talk... :???:
Betsy
Title: no talks
Post by: BarnardlyB on August 23, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
"A day for a good lesson learned is one thing, but dang three months?"

Okay...so your all not gonna agree with me but, I learned alot from being off talk. It forced me to find other ways to communicate. Girls actually told me (uless they were lying), but they told me they thought i seemed peaceful and not as angry. Which is weird cuase everyone gave me "feedback" and always said my looks were the worse., youd think they tell me my looks got even worse.  
Go figure.
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2005, 10:37:00 AM
it wasnt no talk, it was off talk.  no talks were secrets fo the home we were encouraged to expose
Title: no talks
Post by: BarnardlyB on August 29, 2005, 12:10:00 PM
Honestly, I don't remember anything being a "no talk" , only people who werent' talking as designated by staff were on "off talk"
Title: no talks
Post by: katfish on August 29, 2005, 01:50:00 PM
yea, no talks were issues that (secrets) of your family that we were supposed to expose.  Off-talk was...well, you weren't allowed to talk.  There were certainly things that we weren't supposed to talk about, past lives, criticizing the school, etc. but 'no talks' referred, from what I recall issues that kids had at home (abuse) that we not allowed to be talked about withing the family structure.
Title: no talks
Post by: OverLordd on August 29, 2005, 01:53:00 PM
As a quick side not I want to make sure every one realises that this is a violation of the first addmendment. Thats all, have a nice day.
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 02:08:00 AM
I was off talk for 5 months, too the day. My parents didn't even know. They were told I was off talk for only 2 weeks, they had no idea I was off talk for so long. Becuase my parents were divorced, I only spoke to them for a few minutes each every 2 weeks and on my very irregular phone calls. When they finally found out they were appalled.
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 01:51:00 PM
are you guys talking about paint rock valley girls side?
Title: no talks
Post by: katfish on October 19, 2005, 10:34:00 PM
what's painted valley?   Regaring being off talk comment, I was just wondering what year you were there.  The whole off talk thing is simply ridiculous.
Title: no talks
Post by: katfish on October 19, 2005, 10:35:00 PM
I just re-read that, 5 months, are you kidding- I take away ridiculous and replace it with cruel and unusual punishment.
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on October 19, 2005, 10:58:00 PM
'00-'02... 28 months of grrreat fun.
Title: no talks
Post by: katfish on October 20, 2005, 10:47:00 PM
ridiculous!
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 12:12:00 AM
I was told it was all part of the healing process, and the actual therapist who was working with me didn't want it to last that long- John overrode her judgement in staff meetings and prolonged it. I could tell... After I was escorted off campus and prohibited from graduating the program for wanting to take advantage of a full scholarship I was awarded, she quit. She was very good and the only reason I have some semblance of sanity is becuase of her.
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 12:16:00 AM
there was an actual therapist at MMS?
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 12:33:00 AM
the same john with an ecology degree over-ruled a therapist?
Title: no talks
Post by: lablah on October 21, 2005, 12:58:00 PM
In reference to the anon. above that mentioned the therapist being "over-ruled" by john...any good staff quit/or was fired despite caring for the girls.  I would have devoted my life to that school & cared about most of the girls that went there.  I had such a deep connection with that place and was so proud and hopeful when I became a staff. I interned there two summers in a row, then went to work permanently there in 98'. After being completely humiliated and "set-up" as the "scary abusive staff" I left that place completely torn down. I had made so many connections with so many girls. I spent a lot of my time there...I went to school there 93-94', interned 96/97 and then worked there permanently starting in 98. Regardless,I knew a lot of cool chaps.  After leaving, I couldn't talk with anyone from there. Just like all of those before me, and all of those after me...set up as the bad guy by John so he could look like the rescuer and once again gain control of the environment.  I am so saddened by my experience working at the school that I would never again recommend it to anyone.  The place I used to credit for saving my life I would never recommend to a anyone! I learned a lot...I learned that the place I had once loved was a complete sham and when all the other staff gave up and finally let John have his way it only got worse.  I remember I used to get to laugh with Colleen...she was so fun, so awesome..and she and Deb would joke together and I remember hoping I would someday have a friendship like theirs when I was an adult. But the longer they were isolated out there in Condon, the more like John she became.  It's a damn shame.  I could go on forever...this experience will truly never leave me.  The only thing I can say is fuck em' because it's too painful to discuss.  And if your a staff and your opinion differs from John's , especially about a student..watch out.  He will set you up.  As a staff you see him do it to everyone else and may think it will never happen to you but it will.  Nine people left the year after I did.  So, take it for what it's worth, disagree, agree, I don't care.  All I know is I used to really care about that place and now I will never step foot in Montana again because of it. and yeah, this site gets pretty out of hand sometimes.  But I'm thankful for it...there was a lot of out of hand shit that went on at that place and no one seems to acknowledge it. No one, no place, no thing has ever hurt me as much as John Mercer did. Yes, it's true...No one, no place, no thing has ever hurt me as much as John Mercer did. All this shit about there being molestation, etc...I never saw anything like that ever.  What I did see was the behavior. I trusted John, believed what he said. He used that and manipulated it just like a classic abuser does.  I read what others say about him and I don't dispute it.  I'm happy for Betsy, and other people who had a good experience with him and the school. I'm glad they were spared.  But for me, as a 29 year old women with a pretty amazing life...my experience was not good and to this day it makes my stomach hurt. I am happy that after all of these years I get to talk with girls I thought I would never see again in my life.
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on October 21, 2005, 01:29:00 PM
What year did you leave? Before May '00??
Title: no talks
Post by: lablah on October 21, 2005, 05:42:00 PM
I left Sepetember 99.
 :???:
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2006, 03:16:00 PM
La!!!

This is Molly... remember me? :smile: True, I was terrified of you the first summer. They kept things from the students well. Get a hold of me if you want, I'd like to see what you're up to. [email protected]
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2006, 10:36:00 AM
I had to wear a dress for three months, Im not sure why.  Im not even really a tom boy, never have been.  No, I didn't make an effort to look cute while I was there, but who did?  It was just some random assignment from John.  I still don't know why.

Ashlee
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on March 20, 2006, 01:08:00 PM
i had to wear pink and dresses too!  It was really humiliating experience for me, I fetl incredibly uncofmortable.
They took my friends lacy underwear

Ashlee, when were you there?
Title: no talks
Post by: lablah on March 20, 2006, 02:16:00 PM
There were a couple Ashlee's at the school with that spelling.  Is this Ashlee from Ross?  Hotdog if it is. I'd love to hear what your'e up to.
La
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 03:55:00 AM
Ashley Griggs was from Ross and I don't think she is doing well. I haven't talked to anyone about it so I am not gossiping, but I saw her one time recently and she looked like shit etc. etc. etc.
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2006, 10:36:00 PM
Maybe that was another Ashley Griggs.
The one that was there from 95-98 was from northern cali, and colleen told us on the retreat that she was doing really well and even set up a march for AA in SF, CA.....
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on March 28, 2006, 04:03:00 AM
Well, she may have recently settled back down in life... but I promise you. I saw her. She was no where near the same Ashley I met.

And honestly, there is no other Ashley Griggs. I will always love the one and only.
Title: no talks
Post by: BarnardlyB on March 28, 2006, 02:23:00 PM
hey anon,
Is there a way to get ahold of Ashley?? Ive been looking for her for while, esp after elizabeth died.....
Whats she up to??
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2006, 03:41:57 AM
Its been a long time since I even looked at this site, like a year, but No it was not off the shoulder, it was and LL bean grean corderoy mou mou that made me look like a polygamist.  it had little pink flowers on it.  Ha!  It actually makes me laugh when I think about it.

Ashlee Terry 97-98
Title: no talks
Post by: Anonymous on February 22, 2007, 11:10:52 AM
I was off talk for a long time.  I had to wear a clothes-pin around my neck (painted orange).  Ashlee, I remember your dress lol.