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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy => Topic started by: RobertBruce on November 24, 2006, 08:33:34 PM

Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 24, 2006, 08:33:34 PM
Why don't we post a few of the more manipulative tactics employed by HLA staff, both from when we were incarcertated and tricks pulled on here.

For example:

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Since everyone seems to hate so many of the staff that have worked at HLA, I am curious about which ones you all hate the most and why. Or, to make it fair, which ones did you like and why. Let's get some names out there and make it fun.


Now why would an HLA staffer seek to have us list of specific names of staff members we hate?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2006, 08:50:26 PM
Because he wants to know if he's on that list?

I'd actually like you to answer those questions, only with the phrasing "Which HLA staffers should never be allowed to work near children again or should be simply put in jail, and why?"
Title: Manipulations
Post by: FLCLcowdude on November 25, 2006, 02:03:22 AM
KLEE HALL!!
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 12:06:54 PM
Here's another fun one:

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On 2006-01-22 21:47:00, juniper2 wrote:

"Has anyone on this forum actually filed a lawsuit against HLA( other than building contractors)..If so, why? If not, why?"
 


Of course they haven't, because they do not have a case.


An HLA staffer claiming no one has a legitimate case against HLA?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 12:11:44 PM
Wow. An HLA staffer claiming that a kid who cuts himself isn't suicidal, thus it doesn't count!

What's that you slit your wrist? No you don't need to go to the psych hospital you didnt try and kill yourself, you just cut open your wrist and opened your viens bleeding everywhere! Stop manipulating!

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On 2006-01-23 09:20:00, juniper2 wrote:

"Medical neglect comes with the meds(when they screw up or send the medication C.O.D. through the mail), or, your child is ill, and they do not

send them to the doctor for a month.Attempted

suicide by cutting, not treated as an attempted

suicide, etc..



Deprivation: Restricitions Limited food..

Standing in the rain or snow for hours,

doing mundane boulder carrying ,or climbing up and

down a hill for hours,not being allowed to use bathroom facilities, being yelled at and grilled for hours, sitting in a gymnasium for hours, waiting

for your parents to come free you, and the list goes on...."
 


I know this is not the point you were making, but just as an aside...

Cutting and attempted suicide are two very different things and are intentionally dealt with differently. Any new research will back this up.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 12:12:55 PM
Here's an HLA staffer who got their feelings hurt:

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You people on this board are just mean. I can't believe you profess to be going to bat for the victims, but then degrade people when they are trying to make a valid point. It must be hard for anyone to take you seriously.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 12:17:38 PM
oh my.

An HLA staffer telling a flat out lie


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Hidden Lake offers no referal fees to anyone. Consultants that send kids to HLA only receive payment from the parents.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 12:27:00 PM
Here's a fun one, this posted shortly after complaining how mean we all are:

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oh lord...here goes robertbruce again...asshole!
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 12:32:38 PM
So much anger.....these people really do need help.

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i don't know why you insist that everyone is ms gray...there are others that can disagree with you and think that you are an ass...ms gray isn't the only one with that right or privledge!
and oh, by the way
NO ONE CARES WHO YOU REALLY ARE
so get off that narcasistic little soap box you stand on and deal with the all the anomisity that the world has to offer...just a little fish that NO ONE is casting for!
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 12:57:56 PM
Here's something of interest:

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I would love for once and for all everyone come clean on who they really are on this site. If no one has anything to hide, then why not. I may not agree with everything Aften or George or Dan have to say, but at least they have the guts to say their real names. I know no on will likely do this, but I thought I would throw it out there.

HLA staff trying to ascertain the id's of posters. Interesting, but not manipulation.

Yet when pressed for his own id the staffer had this to say:

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Robert Sullivan, PG 4
Did not graduate the program


Now why would a current HLA staffer pretend to be a former student? One might say that borders on manipulation.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 05:31:42 PM
Fascinating. Another example of a HLA staffer pretending to be a former student.

Why I wonder?

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Quote from: "greenarrow"
Hidden Lake Academy is an excellent school.  After reading some of the negative things here I know that the writers are disgruntled rabble-rousers that are simply making things up, in hopes of discouraging those of us who like the school and those of us who have been helped by the fine counseling team and teachers at Hidden Lake.  You can read the anger and hostility in their words, I really feel sorry for them and hope one day they get the help they really need.  These writers are playin on the fears of families looking for help.  I love HLA!   [/quote



http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... c&start=30 (http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=8906&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30)
Title: Manipulations
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2006, 06:03:09 PM
RB, are you abusing your moderator privileges?  And in a forum you have nothing to do with?

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http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19493&start=0 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?t=19493&start=0)

Starry Eyed Pirate have you settled on this user name? You've got literally dozens I'm suprised youve stuck with this one this long.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 06:13:25 PM
No it was an honest mistake, my curly red haired friend, I'm still getting used to my great powers.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 06:14:56 PM
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That's because 90% of the things said on this sight are lies.


Yet another unsupported claim made from an HLA staffer.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2006, 06:15:25 PM
Quote from: ""RobertBruce""
No it was an honest mistake, my curly red haired friend, I'm still getting used to my great powers.


My curly red haired friend?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2006, 06:38:03 PM
Robert's just powertripping. Let him be; he wants revenge and being able to expose HLA trolls as what they are is simply catharsis. He'll get over it soon enough.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 06:56:54 PM
It should click momentarily. If not PM me and I'll explain it.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 07:01:47 PM
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Let's take an informal poll. Let's have the people on this sight vote on how they feel HLA has helped or hurt. Here are the rules:

1. You vote one of two ways: "Helped more than hurt" or "Hurt more than helped"

2. If you don't provide a user name, your vote does not count.

3. You have to tell whether or not you actually graduated from HLA.

Obviously, this is incredibly informal and subject to people lying and manipulating like crazy. I just thought it would be fun to see the responses that we get.


"lying and manipulating" Yeah by you, you crazy whack job. Notice the wrong "sight" is used. Who else do we know who does that?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2006, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
Robert's just powertripping. Let him be; he wants revenge and being able to expose HLA trolls as what they are is simply catharsis. He'll get over it soon enough.



That's all well and good, it just seemed a little odd that he would go over to the Straight forum and start talking about tracking people's IPs.  He's a mod for the HLA forum, right?  As far as I know he's got nothing to do with the Straight forum.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 07:51:53 PM
Youre taking this a bit to seriously. It was a mistake, I explained myself both here and there and I apologized to Pirate.

What more is there?

Focus on what needs to be focused on, let's not get sidetracked with unimportant issues.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2006, 08:08:04 PM
It's all good Robert.  Please understand some of the paranoia.  You've seen on the HLA forum what happens.  A lot has happened over the years on the Straight forum and when someone new (to the Straight forum) with Mod status starts throwing the IP stuff around, some of us who have been on here for a number of years question it.  That's all.

Have a good evening.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 25, 2006, 08:17:58 PM
Understandable, again I apologize.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2006, 12:42:09 PM
Oh look a staff member bordering on libel how fun:

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Just saw the meaning of FORNITS....For Oppositional Rejects Needing Intense Treatment Soon! Right on!
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 27, 2006, 12:43:06 PM
Yet another example of the overwhelming honesty of all HLA staff members:

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Robert...looking at schools... and just read some of your comments about HLA....how about some real facts...you claim to be such an expert on HLA...how long were you actually there? Are we talking weeks, or years? (I suspect only weeks...)and how long ago were you there? Your maturity level appears to be really lacking... I checked some of the things that you claim like their licensure and what you claim to be fact is just not true. They indeed have an excellent record of success. If what you say is true I don't think they would have lasted 11 years and grown like they have. You seem to be a pretty mixed up kid...sincerely hope someday you can grow past all of this and move on with your life.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: ZenAgent on November 27, 2006, 10:06:40 PM
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Just saw the meaning of FORNITS....For Oppositional Rejects Needing Intense Treatment Soon! Right on!

Just saw the meaning of HLA...Hiring Loser Assholes!  Right on, Mongoloid!
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2006, 07:23:29 PM
Three gueses as to who wrote this little piece of propoganda.

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I am sorry that no one has really answered your question here. This is a posting from another site about HLA. Hope this helps...

Hello Everyone! Wow! Hello everyone! I guess I just wanted to stop by and say hi to everyone. Hope all is well with all of you. I'm doing great at college and absolutely loving it so far. I also wanted to thank all of you for everything you did for me while I was at HLA. I know that I wouldn't be where I am now without your help. The things I experienced at HLA have shaped me into such a stronger and more confident individual today; I could honestly have never imagined being as happy as I am now. What can I say?! Things are GREAT! All of the hardwork and heartache really paid off in the end. Oh there's just so much I want to talk to you all about! Melissa and Jonathan, if either of you read this please repost and let me know how you are, or anyone else for that matter  . I really miss all of you down there and plan on coming to visit as soon as I get the chance. That's all for now!
All my love and thanks,

Name left off for privacy reasons. Here is the site if you would like to look it up for yourself.

http://p068.ezboard.com/bhladiscussionboards (http://p068.ezboard.com/bhladiscussionboards)
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2006, 07:25:40 PM
Oh look she tries to justify herself....

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You are right. The type of conversation that goes on in this board is not allowed on the HLA board. You can decide for yourself whether or not that is a good thing.

And as the previous poster put, HLA is very upfront as to the purpose of their board.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 28, 2006, 07:31:32 PM
Oh here's a good one, an HLA staffer asking questions to which he already knows the answer:

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Where are y'all getting this "treating homosexuality" thing? I don't see anywhere that HLA claims to treat homosexuality as a disorder. Where are y'all reading this?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 01:27:57 AM
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The information on this forum is not reliable. Do not be alarmed. Your child is the best source of information. Also, post on http://www.strugglingteens.com (http://www.strugglingteens.com) in the program section for information from other parents who CURRENTLY or RECENTLY have kids at HLA. The people on this board are living in the past- and a fantast past, at that.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 01:28:48 AM
Now why would they ask this?

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What are the first names of your child's counselors?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 01:29:34 AM
My what beautiful brown eyes you have.....

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It sounds like you are a new parent to HLA, so there are several kids in your childs Peer Group. They would likely not be able to figure out who you are. Even so, HLA does not mind at all any parent asking questions. I would advise you to take the advise of the person who said to show up unannounced, if you have that many concerns. Ask to meet alone with your child, there will be no problem with that. Ask to meet alone with your childs counselors. There will no problem with that. Ask to meet with other students who have been their for a while. There will be no problem with that.

If you have any discreptancies between what your child is saying and what the staff are saying then I would suggest a meeting with everyone together to clear the air.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 01:31:11 AM
This line in response to the claim that kids are punished for "manipulating" (telling the truth) their parents, and that fall out still occurs...

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That is not a correct assumption. Maybe it was that way 10 years ago, but that is not how things work now.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 01:32:05 AM
My favorite one of all:

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On 2006-01-23 13:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Some Concerns:

Drugs on campus

Overzealous restrictions that accumulate into time at Ridge Creek

Monitoring out going mail to parents and refusing to send if they don't consider it "productive"

Confrontational group sessions

Not addressing academic needs (especially if sent to Ridge Creek)

Violence on campus especially in dorms

Facing restrictions if negative in any way, especially if they don't want to reveal dark secrets

Restrictions for psychological symptoms

To name a few...."
 


I think it is pretty clear that this is not a concerned parent making this post, but rather an HLA basher who is posing as a parent. That's pretty sick.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 02:58:01 PM
I think this one highlights the caring nature of the staff at HLA

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So there was a suicidal kid running away and the staff kept him from running into the woods? That is horrible. They should let all the suicidal kids who try running into the woods just go do what they want to do. Yeah, that makes more sense.


This was of course justifying restraining and slamming kids faces into gravel should they try and runaway. Suicidal or not.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 02:58:50 PM
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You're right, Robert. As the kid was running into the woods the staff should have said, "wait, let's talk". You are a simple minded idiot if you believe that works. Once a kid is desparate enough to take off running, they are not willing to talk anymore.


But a good beating always helps....
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 05:45:45 PM
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A quick look on the HLA website will show you that none of the Master's level therapist that do the counseling with the students have a Master's degree in criminal justice.

That claim is just more typical scare tactics from you.



And more propoganda tactics from the puppets of HLA.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 05:54:45 PM
Unbelievable, here an HLA puppet acknowledges that HLA is not licensed!

You're making this too easy for us lapdogs!

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Damn HLA. They use a web-site to market their program. That should be illegal. Give me a break.

Everything you said in you post is a lie except for the fact that HLA is not licensed by the state.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on November 29, 2006, 07:36:42 PM
Now this one didnt actually come from HLA. It came from an office in downtown Atlanta.

I wonder who it could have been...?

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This one is actually accurate. There are kids who are excited about having horses and are volunteering. They have a full time staff member whose sole job is heading up this program.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 06, 2006, 05:49:08 PM
Ironically Kathleen complains about censorship?


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I have had two posts removed from this sight today. Something weird is going on.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 06, 2006, 06:24:22 PM
So not only do HLA staffers pretend to be students, they pretend to be parents as well.

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I just found this when I was looking for places to send my daughter. I see that several of you are regulars and want to know more. Were you students at Hidden Lake Academy? We live in Lumpkin County so it would be convenient for us to send her there.


What a sound practice.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 07, 2006, 12:59:24 AM
Curiouser and Curiouser here's another posting from that mysterious office in downtown Atlanta. I wonder who it is?


Probably some average Joe.

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What happened to the big lawsuit that was coming down on HLA? Is that not happening?


I wonder why that stranger would want to know information on a lawsuit against hla?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 07, 2006, 01:20:00 AM
Here ladies and gentlemen is the HLA quintessential manipulation:

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It is not actually a lie. What a judge will often do is suspend a childs sentence until they complete the program. If the family does not want to take this alternative, the child will then be ordered to a locked facility. Judges often like to give this option for kids who have committed a minor crime but obviously do not belong in a locked facility. That is why they offer HLA as an OPTION, not an order.

Kids will come in saying, and possibly truly thinking, that they are court ordered, when technically that is not the case.


It's not really court ordered...the kid has a choice, go to jail or come to hla. See not ordered!
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 07, 2006, 10:27:56 AM
Here we have an HLA staffer discussing the positive aspects of kids being forced to stay in the chalet. No word yet on what those positive aspects are yet, but I'm sure we'll hear about them soon!

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There are   a number of positive events that happen there, The house is used by HLA as a positive experience and by Ridge Creek also
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 07, 2006, 10:33:33 AM
Now in all fairness even though the staff at HLA has apparently used any under handed tactic at their disposal to try and disrupt and or infiltrate this site, they have at least been mature about it.

For example look at what this HLA staffer had to say when DJ put a general request for comments about the state of the Boss' mind.


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Your mom said she wants to make a comment
209


You see? "Your Mom" jokes are a sure sign of any reasonable and civil discourse. Open and honest discussion......
Title: Manipulations
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2006, 10:37:43 AM
I think the "your mom" comment has been a running joke through all the forums.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 07, 2006, 01:08:32 PM
More respectfull discourse coming from the staff at HLA.

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Robert- I don't deny that happened to you because I don't know who you are and have no reason to dispute you. The original email in this strain looks like it was written by a student named Dan who was a pathelogical liar. You seriously cannot believe anything he says.

Hey Dan- are your bones still shrinking?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 09, 2006, 11:15:55 PM
This one isn't a manipulation it's just pure gold.

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Posted: 28 Feb 2006 01:15     Post subject:      

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SHH...what makes you think anyone cares about what you babble about...I suppose some ex-wives never go away...You have got to be a ex-wife nightmare.Your connections are so limited and so long ago...get it you ditsy woman...you don't know shit about HLA as it is today.Go take care of your "new" family and shut the fuck up! No one cares about your never ending outdated narrow view opinions.  


That post in fact came from HLA. I wonder from who?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 10, 2006, 07:36:24 PM
Well....this one should play well in the court room.


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No one has lied. No one at HLA has anything to lie about. No apologies needed for what is going on a the school.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 10, 2006, 07:39:27 PM
Yet again an HLA staffer pretends to be a former student.

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Yeh I agree with whoever you are...it made me mad to see the shit they are saying about kathleen she is one of the greatest staff at hla. she doesn't deserve any of the crap she is getting..as an old student who had lots of ups and down at hla I can speak first hand. She has been there a long time andis always there for the students...


Three guesses as to which staff member this one was!
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 10, 2006, 07:41:25 PM
The best part about all of this is, the HLA staff members thought they were being smart by posting anonmously. That way they could lie and manipulate to their hearts desire and no one would be the wiser.

As it turned out most people are a bit wiser than they are and what's more, because they posted anonmously they cannot go back and edit their posts.

Oh happy day..... :D
Title: Manipulations
Post by: FLCLcowdude on December 10, 2006, 10:15:55 PM
Isn't torture their hobby?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 09:41:27 AM
Now why would an HLA staffer be asking about the cost of tuition? Something they are all more than familiar with.

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I keep seeing the number $7000 a month thrown around. Where is everyone getting that ammount?
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 09:43:32 AM
Oh look, he decided to answer his own question. Of course he lied and manipulated in doing so but such things are inconsequential.

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You have no clue of what you are talking about. Tuition is currently 5300 per month, though I believe it will soon be going up to 5700. You are 1700 off. You say that doesn't matter, but if someone from HLA were on here saying it were 1700 LESS than the actual tuition you would be having a fit.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 09:45:34 AM
...and he then felt the need to top it all off with a steaming pile of bullshit.

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And BTW... Hidden Lake gave families over 250,000 dollars in scholarships last year. 10% of the families go there for free.


Better check those numbers Mac.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 09:52:21 AM
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Kids are not getting a new set of uniforms every month. If they are, it is because they are intentionally destroying them. And, yes, that does happen.

Yes. Families have to pay back the financial aid if they do not finish the program. This is spelled out very clearly in the contract that they sign. If you don't want to follow the contract, don't sign it. No one is making them enroll their child here.

They want kids to finish the program, because HLA's experience has shown that kids that finish the program do better than those who do not finish the program. Believe it or not, HLA actually cares about how their kids do after graduation.

You would not believe the number of families that withdraw their kids early and then call back a few months later, begging HLA to allow them back into the school.

If a student graduates from HLA and follows HLA's post HLA reccomendations, and still blows it within the first six months of graduation, the kid can come back for free.


Hmm kids can go back for free huh? Let's find out just how true that is.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 11:24:54 AM
Even when they try to be honest it still just doesn't seem to come out quite right.

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Okay...I will answer these.

Court-ordered- There are no kids that are sentenced to HLA. There are kids who the courts are allowing to go to HLA in leiu of being sentenced elsewhere and upon successful completing of the program will have their charges dropped. It is a matter of semantics, I know. But they are not technically "court ordered" to HLA.

Strip Search- Yes. STrip searched are done. Always have been, to my knowledge. Any denial of this is a lie and someone is not doing their job.

Sex with staff- I am aware of three rumors, no facts. Two rumors have to do with staff and students after both have left HLA. This is not AT ALL appropriate, but it did not happen while they were under the direct care of HLA. I am aware of one rumor of a staff having sex with a girl while she was at HLA. This has been ivestigated and,to my understanding, HLA can find no truth to the rumors other than people saying, "well I heard something happened, but I don't know for sure."

Drug free campus- HLA's campus is largely drug free. There have been times when kids have snuck drugs on campus, despite the fact that strip searches are done.

Students having sex with each other- HLA keeps very close tabs on its students. There have been kids have sex with each other, however, durign the almost 11 years of it's existence. It is rare though.

Accrediting agency guidelines- HLA is accredited by SACS and follows their guidelines.

Licensed for mental health care- No. HLA is not under any state license other than being accredited by several accrediting agencies.

Suicide attempts- While extremely rare, there have been suicide attempts on campus. There have been no successes.

Locked inside the dorms- The doors are locked from the outside, to keep people out. You can easily push the door open to get out in case of an emergency. There are at least three exits to each dorm.

Forced Labor as punishment- Kids do hard work as a consequence. Chopping woods, clearing dead branches, stacking fire wood, minor landscaping. HLA hires a professional landscaping crew for the major jobs.

Wilderness- Yes they follow their own rules regarding sending the students to wilderness. Who elses rules would they follow? If a child runs away, harms or severely threatens someone else, or brings drugs onto campus, they will go to wilderness.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 11:39:09 AM
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No. They claim to be a therapeutic school, but also meet the requirements of a traditional school according to SACS. Most people see this as a good thing. In fact, it is a big selling point for the school.

Do you really not understand that Robert? It is not that difficult.


What he should have said is, "They (we) claim to be a therapeutic school when it's convienent. Of course that never occurs when talking to state agencies."
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 11:58:15 AM
Sigh......


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"1. Food cannot be rationed.

2. Physical labor cannot be used as a punishment.

3. A state represenative must be available for greivances"

1. Food is not rationed.

2. If you consider raking leaves, pulling weeds, and chopping wood physical labor then, yes, HLA has physical labor. My father called it hard work and he gave me more of it when I misbehaved. If a parent reading this cannot handle their child doing some hard work as a consequence, then they should not enroll their child at HLA.

3. Anyone can report greivances to Child Protective Services if they have a problem with something.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 12:05:30 PM
Here we have an HLA staffer who either manipulating or really really dumb. Probably both.

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This must be impossible because according to Robert Bruce there is noone to report grievences to concerning HLA. This looks like a grienvence to me.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 12:12:04 PM
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Because kids manipulate their parents. Especially ones that are in programs and don't want to be there. If I were in a program, I would tell my parents anything I could to get pulled. It happens Robert. The more you talk, the less you sound like a kid who has been around kids at HLA. I question everything you have said at this point, because you sound so ignorant.


And it appears that adults can be just as manipulative. Moreso it seems when the dollar and sadistic fantasies come into play.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: FLCLcowdude on December 11, 2006, 06:43:42 PM
I hate these posters. Unless "pulled" is a common term in the industry, you sound just like a staff...
Title: Manipulations
Post by: RobertBruce on December 11, 2006, 07:52:59 PM
That's the just it Cow,

They are all staff.
Title: Manipulations
Post by: FLCLcowdude on December 11, 2006, 08:32:58 PM
Sorry, I have this thing where I don't read the begining post sometimes. Oopsie...