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The Seed Discussion Forum / Dear Art,
« on: November 28, 2005, 10:28:00 AM »
Returning to the Seed would be like returning to the hospital where treatment occured after a car wreck.

I went back once to attend an open meeting. It stirred up alot of memories from right before and during the seed experience. It was not like visiting my old college campus.

IMO treating drug addiction is admirable but a dirty businees and part of the requirement is almost a paranoid skeptism to deal with the all the tradegy, bullshit, manipulation and conning many addicts effortlessly generate. Art was no saint, and definitely type A. But how nice can you be in that field?

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Some insight(s)
« on: November 27, 2005, 08:37:00 PM »
In the summer of 74 I was in the Seed for the second time.

I was in a apt. The oldcomers who had the apt had this big cage full of snakes they caught in whatever work they did outside.

And no, I never saw a newcomer get put in the cage with the snakes for a infraction. Although that would be a pretty cool post.

Does anyone remember the apartment and group living there?

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Some insight(s)
« on: November 27, 2005, 08:32:00 PM »
Hey, some of you tech wizards should start a digital archive.

Pictures
downloadable mpeg news reels
sounds bytes

I know you can convert 16 MM film to digital format.

Like the ability to download the Ralph Renick Seed news segment from the 70s. I know the archival footage has to be somewhere....

As part of this website......

Just a Christmas wish list.

I got the idea because I have started collecting Vince Lombardi speech MP3s and archival footage that has been digitized and it is pretty cool.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / especially for Marshall, Greg,
« on: November 19, 2005, 08:58:00 PM »
John,

Thanks for the posts! I agree with your description of the devastation.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: November 07, 2005, 08:56:00 PM »
RicciC,

I have pretty much the same view of the Seed as yourself, at least as I interpret your posts.

There are peaple who I recall.

There was one black dude, Leonard Pope. He was a tough, smart street hustler on the outside. I wonder what ever happened to him.

Or this red haired hard core biker, Randy.

Or this, tall what appreared to be fairly respected dealer on the outside, Marco.

I wonder what happened to those guys.

I met a guy from the Seed in Texas in the early 80's. I was at state road 84, he was at the Miami race track. I met him in the University of Texas MBA program. He got the highest starting salary with what was then the Big 8 pulic accounting firms. He was telling the partners in the firms he was interviewing about his misspent youth and being in the Seed. I think he used it as a differentiator.

A male friend who got put in the Seed after me, and would talk to me after I got kicked out, I just saw how he is working as a Librarian at a Junior college.

Interesting memories.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / seed'70
« on: November 07, 2005, 08:29:00 PM »
Robert Chunn! He was a black staff member and a barber(or was before the Seed). If that was the him, he was a great guy!

He was sincere and really wanted to see peaple succeed. In fact, a number of times I have helped peaple out, I had him in the back of my mind.

Ever hear what happened to him? I hope he has had a great life.

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I remember the time I refused to write my moral inventory. Simply as an act of defiance. Well the guys at the house I was at kept me up all night, so I had so sit, in the summer, in the warehouse, on a folding chair, on state road 84 from 10-10 with no sleep.

This guy in the house I was having some personality conflict with over some bullshit I never understood really (I probably reminded him of himself) relished his roatation of keeping me up.

I thought, this does not seem to be working. So I started cranking daily moral inventories that were not worth the paper they were printed on with bad handwriting.

Later when I re-entered recovery, at 30 vs 15 I really embraced the roll of stepwork and self-review, improvement, learning from others, helping others.

Live and learn......

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The Seed Discussion Forum / The Seed-------Did Art Barker succeed?
« on: October 06, 2005, 09:48:00 PM »
Thom,

I called it like I saw it.  

Its really pretty simple. You can accept or reject it, whine, rage, be a victim, demand to be understood as correct, or whatever. I stand by what I said.  

Bottom line, it is no big deal and I am bored with it and done with it till I am moved to respond in that manner again. I think you got the message.  

I think I saw a Monte Python skit like this :smile:.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / The Seed-------Did Art Barker succeed?
« on: October 05, 2005, 10:44:00 AM »
Thom,

Great effort to disguise lack of insight and capacity to take personal responsibility in your life with juvenile attempts at ridicule.

Thats cool if it works for you!

Upward and onward :smile:

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The Seed Discussion Forum / The Seed-------Did Art Barker succeed?
« on: October 05, 2005, 10:39:00 AM »
"No one should abandon duties because he sees defects in them. Every action, every activity, is surrounded by defects as a fire is surrounded by smoke."


~ Krishna
from The Bhagavad Gita

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The Seed Discussion Forum / The Seed-------Did Art Barker succeed?
« on: October 04, 2005, 05:03:00 PM »
I definitely believe the Seed succeeded! There was plenty of fall out from my drug experience. The Seed was not perfect but I beleive it saved my life.

Also, as a follow up, I take responsbility for my life today. That doesnt mean I cant look at the experience I see the problems with Seed when I was there and how they affected me. When I do that the goal is an examination with the goal of continuing to develope and let go pass misconceptions and baggage which I still have plenty and only some of which came from the Seed expereince.

But bottom line, the see saved my life and the fallout I deal with now is small compared to the life I would have experienced if I had not attended.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Against My Better Judgement
« on: August 21, 2005, 10:40:00 PM »
Cool... :grin:

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Against My Better Judgement
« on: August 21, 2005, 08:51:00 PM »
There are plenty of crazy unbalanced AAers. No doublt about that.

I like the principles as per the literature, while the personalities are very diverse with many unbalanced and plenty of dual diagnosis in the group. Being an adult not under coersion also definitely makes things easier.

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Against My Better Judgement
« on: August 21, 2005, 08:35:00 PM »
I ran this by a female friend who's daughter went through a drug problem and ran some of the contents of the website by her to get her response.

In particular in regards to what I viewed as distorions or shortfalls of what the Seed provided.

Her repsonse was, dealing with a adolecent on drugs was the biggest nightmare of her life, that it made her crazy. Part the the insanity was a desparation that led her to feel any means were justified to deal with the problem. That she was desparate for results, and her only criteria became does it have a chance of working.

The message was, go easy and wieght that into the postmortem analysis......

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Against My Better Judgement
« on: August 21, 2005, 08:18:00 PM »
Ginger,

Were you in the Seed state road 84 Ft Lauderdale the summer of 72 or 74 and were you on staff then?

If yes, I will start trying to recall female staff members.

"Well, I'm of the opinion that AA can be and often is quite the high demand, destructive cult."

Why a destructive cult? Thanks!

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