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Title: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transfer
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 09:54:20 AM
I've been saying this for many years.  The vast majority of these programs have "self-study" academics, no accreditation, no licensed teachers, etc.

We had a long discussion several years ago about the Academy at Swift River, an Aspen Education Program, and the unaccredited academics there.  It was insisted by one poster here that all credits transfer, the school was accredited, etc., although he did admit that his own child had to repeat a year of highschool after leaving ASR.  He continued to claim "improvements have been made and all credits transfer and 100% of this kids get into the college of their choice."  This is false.

After operating this "school" for over a decade, Aspen Education still does not provide transferable credits through its education program.  Here is a recent statement from just last year from a parent whose child was forced to repeat a year of high school after finishing the ASR program:

Quote from: "ASR Parent"
This school is not structured. The credits do not transfer to any school other than as those such as a gym class or band credits. My son, upon returning to regular highschool, had to repeat junior year while taking senior year. I do not recommend this school to anyone.
Posted by a parent on 07/28/09

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

Parents should beware Aspen Education's aggressive and false marketing of its "schools" which cannot issue diplomas nor transerable academic credits.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 10:07:47 AM
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
I lost most of my respect for this school when one of the therapists laughed at my child during a session. The schoolwork is below par in my standards, and I am inclined to pull my child out of this so called school.
Posted by a parent on 01/12/09

I suspect this was during a group session where confrontational "therapy" is performed by unlicensed line staff called "peer group counselors" who may or may not even have formal education beyond high school, but are not licensed to perform therapy of any kind.

More on the group sessions used at ASR here:
Quote from: "Yet Another ASR Parent"
This is a therapeutic boarding school that is supposed to focus on personal growth. It is a very clinical environment and they have tremendous turnover in students. It is more like an RTC. The group therapy is done in groups of up to 26 kids at one time. I do not recommend this school.
Posted by a parent on 04/06/06

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

Are parents told that the "group therapy" used at ASR has up to TWENTY-SIX KIDS in group?  How on earth can this be properly facilitated?  The "peer group counselors" who run these so-called therapy sessions aren't even educated or licensed to do this job and obviously don't have the ability to handle 26 patients at a time - nobody does.

Parents should beware of Aspen Education's unlicensed, uneducated "therapists" and unaccredited academics.  Children cannot earn a diploma from ASR, nor do their credits transfer to properly accredited local highschools.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
Our son left wilderness needing a structured program. In the three months he has been at ASR, he has made quick and consistent progress. Communication with his therapist is great and she shows a total concern for his well being. The structure he gets is also in his academics. He is also thriving ...  Read more   in school and will graduate high school on time. ASR is not for everychild and many do not thrive at ASR because of individual situations. The professional staff at ASR are best to evaluate a child and determine whether or not ASR is a good fit. The strive to make sure all students belong at their school and do not accept a child they feel they can't help. I am glad that ASR was there for my son

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)



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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 10:09:14 AM
Cannot say enough good things about Academy at Swift River. Brilliant!



Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)
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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 10:09:50 AM
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process



Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)



Edited to add link
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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 10:10:23 AM
The staff in the school really focus on help the children. It s avery therapeutical framework with good results


Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)



Edited to add link
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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 10:12:51 AM
These parents found that their kids had to repeat a grade because the credits didn't transfer to their local high schools.

You have said before that it took your daughter five years to graduate high school.  She obviously had to repeat a grade after the program as well.  

ASR doesn't tell parents that their kids will have to repeat grades after leaving the program.  That's dishonest to say the least.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 10:16:41 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
The staff in the school really focus on help the children. It s avery therapeutical framework with good results



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"A very therapeutical framework"?

This thread is about ASR's unaccredited academics.  

Readers should be aware that the poster "Whooter" has admitted to being a fiduciary of Aspen Education Group and is part of their dishonest marketing program.  Please click on the link in my signature to be directed to his statement that he has a financial stake in Aspen Education Group in order to view his statements in proper context.  He has also admitted the academics are unaccredited and his daughter had to repeat a year of high school.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 10:18:28 AM
Quote from: "Whooter"
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process



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This poster has maintained for over five years on this board that he had a daughter that attended ASR.  He now claims to have had a son there.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 06, 2010, 10:19:33 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process



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This poster has maintained for over five years on this board that he had a daughter that attended ASR.  He now claims to have had a son there.


 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Ursus on August 06, 2010, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
It was insisted by one poster here that all credits transfer, the school was accredited, etc.
Maybe he was referring to "gym class."  :D
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 10:54:43 AM
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process



Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)



Edited to add link
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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 11:06:51 AM
We could use a moderator to remove the repetitive spam posts.  I see no sense in letting Whooter derail yet another thread about ASR.  He's going to troll this into the ground.

The topic of this thread is "Academic Credits Don't Transfer" and I'd like to hear more about that.  Whooter's kid (which appears now to be a son and not a daughter, as he had claimed before) had to repeat a grade after leaving ASR.  this seems to be the case with many kids.  I'd like to hear more about that.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 11:30:50 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
We could use a moderator to remove the repetitive spam posts.

Look, lighten up DJ,  Ursus and Anne Bonney were just poking a little fun at some of the feed back that was presented.  You have posted in threads off topic before which resulted in it being derailed.  You do it much more than they do in fact from those I have followed.


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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 11:36:35 AM
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process



Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

This was a good find, DJ,I think this validates that ASR also provides private therapy from an outside source.  



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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 11:46:10 AM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
I've been saying this for many years.  The vast majority of these programs have "self-study" academics, no accreditation, no licensed teachers, etc.

We had a long discussion several years ago about the Academy at Swift River, an Aspen Education Program, and the unaccredited academics there.  It was insisted by one poster here that all credits transfer, the school was accredited, etc., although he did admit that his own child had to repeat a year of highschool after leaving ASR.  He continued to claim "improvements have been made and all credits transfer and 100% of this kids get into the college of their choice."  This is false.

After operating this "school" for over a decade, Aspen Education still does not provide transferable credits through its education program.  Here is a recent statement from just last year from a parent whose child was forced to repeat a year of high school after finishing the ASR program:

Quote from: "ASR Parent"
This school is not structured. The credits do not transfer to any school other than as those such as a gym class or band credits. My son, upon returning to regular highschool, had to repeat junior year while taking senior year. I do not recommend this school to anyone.
Posted by a parent on 07/28/09

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

Parents should beware Aspen Education's aggressive and false marketing of its "schools" which cannot issue diplomas nor transerable academic credits.

Back on topic...ASR unaccredited academics with untransferable credits.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process[/b][/size]

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

One of the strengths of these programs is that they involve the parents in the process with their children.  This helps to solidify the changes and help the parents and kids work together towards a more unified goal vs having the parents and kids work on separate issues.




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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 11:54:39 AM
lol

Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
Our son left wilderness needing a structured program. In the three months he has been at ASR, he has made quick and consistent progress. Communication with his therapist is great and she shows a total concern for his well being. The structure he gets is also in his academics. He is also thriving ...  Read more   in school and will graduate high school on time. ASR is not for everychild and many do not thrive at ASR because of individual situations. The professional staff at ASR are best to evaluate a child and determine whether or not ASR is a good fit. The strive to make sure all students belong at their school and do not accept a child they feel they can't help. I am glad that ASR was there for my son

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)



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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 11:55:07 AM
A major weakness is that kids flunk each grade they take at ASR.  ASR doesn't tell parents that up front though.  They're unaccredited and credits are not accepted by real schools.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 12:02:25 PM
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)




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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 12:05:54 PM
I'm not sure what that has to do with the poor kid flunking a grade.  Every kid who goes to ASR finds out later - too late - that they will have to repeat a year.

Whooter, which year did your kid repeat?  10th or 11th grade?
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 12:10:09 PM
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR. Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process[/b][/size]

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

One of the strengths of these programs is that they involve the parents in the process with their children.  This helps to solidify the changes and help the parents and kids work together towards a more unified goal vs having the parents and kids work on separate issues.




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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
I'm not sure what that has to do with the poor kid flunking a grade.  Every kid who goes to ASR finds out later - too late - that they will have to repeat a year.

Whooter, which year did your kid repeat?  10th or 11th grade?

Simple question.  You said your kid required five years to graduate HS after attending ASR.  Which grade was repeated?
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 12:39:04 PM

Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
Our son left wilderness needing a structured program. In the three months he has been at ASR, he has made quick and consistent progress. Communication with his therapist is great and she shows a total concern for his well being. The structure he gets is also in his academics. He is also thriving ...  Read more   in school and will graduate high school on time. ASR is not for everychild and many do not thrive at ASR because of individual situations. The professional staff at ASR are best to evaluate a child and determine whether or not ASR is a good fit. The strive to make sure all students belong at their school and do not accept a child they feel they can't help. I am glad that ASR was there for my son
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Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

I think this is a good find, DJ,, shows that the academics are one of ASR's strengths.  Although like any other boarding school you need to find out up front if the credits will transfer back to your childs state or not.  Every district is different.  

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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 12:44:29 PM
"Academics are one of ASR's strengths"?  Are you kidding?  Every kid who goes there repeats the grade, like yours did.  

You always defended this by saying "academics aren't a concern when kids are at risk" but now you're saying kids flunking grades due to unaccredited academics is a strength.  You've got a few screws loose, IMO.

Your kid flunked a grade and had to repeat it.  Explain how that is a "strength" so everyone can understand this Orwellian concept.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 06, 2010, 12:47:58 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
Our son left wilderness needing a structured program. In the three months he has been at ASR, he has made quick and consistent progress. Communication with his therapist is great and she shows a total concern for his well being. The structure he gets is also in his academics. He is also thriving ...  Read more   in school and will graduate high school on time. ASR is not for everychild and many do not thrive at ASR because of individual situations. The professional staff at ASR are best to evaluate a child and determine whether or not ASR is a good fit. The strive to make sure all students belong at their school and do not accept a child they feel they can't help. I am glad that ASR was there for my son


So, in other words......DJ is right.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 01:02:11 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
"Academics are one of ASR's strengths"?  Are you kidding?  Every kid who goes there repeats the grade...

hmmm....  no link again?  Was that in the study lol...

Here lets take a look again:


Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
Our son left wilderness needing a structured program. In the three months he has been at ASR, he has made quick and consistent progress. Communication with his therapist is great and she shows a total concern for his well being. The structure he gets is also in his academics. He is also thriving ...  Read more   in school and will graduate high school on time. ASR is not for everychild and many do not thrive at ASR because of individual situations. The professional staff at ASR are best to evaluate a child and determine whether or not ASR is a good fit. The strive to make sure all students belong at their school and do not accept a child they feel they can't help. I am glad that ASR was there for my son
[/i]

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

I think this is a good find, DJ,, shows that the academics are one of ASR's strengths.  Although like any other boarding school you need to find out up front if the credits will transfer back to your childs state or not.  Every district is different.  

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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 01:03:32 PM
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
I know it's hard to choose a school or program when your kid is in a crisis and you don't see any other alternative. You kind of have to go on your gut feeling, after doing all the checking and questioning possible. ASR wasn't perfect, but I believe they save our son's life. Overall we were pleased, ...  Read more but there were some things we wish had gone smoother. He got his education, lots of therapy, both private and group, learned how to get along with others and had many experiences unique to ASR.  Plus there were many recreational and other non-curricular activities. He clearly needed to be there for at least 14 months. The staff was terrific and communication mostly good. We were very involved in the therapuetic process

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

Another parent who saw academics as a plus!!


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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 01:53:16 PM
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
Our son left wilderness needing a structured program. In the three months he has been at ASR, he has made quick and consistent progress. Communication with his therapist is great and she shows a total concern for his well being. The structure he gets is also in his academics. He is also thriving ...  Read more   in school and will graduate high school on time. ASR is not for everychild and many do not thrive at ASR because of individual situations. The professional staff at ASR are best to evaluate a child and determine whether or not ASR is a good fit. The strive to make sure all students belong at their school and do not accept a child they feel they can't help. I am glad that ASR was there for my son


So, in other words......DJ is right.

Yes.  And when that happens, Whooter goes on the rampage to protect his income from Aspen.  I posted a parent's experience with a link just a few posts back that stated the kid's credits wouldn't transfer, which has been reported many times by many people here and other places.  

I see "he got his education" (no mention of credits) and I see "he gets structure in academics" (no mention of creduts) and Whooter himself admitted his daughter had to repeat a grade after ASR.  Why he tries to sweep this under the rug when he already admitted it took her (or is it him, not sure anymore) five years to graduate high school.  I didn't say this.  Whooter did.  Maybe you should ask him about it.
Title: Dysfunction is a program staff, an abuser for hire
Post by: SUCK IT on August 06, 2010, 01:59:42 PM
How much did you get paid every month to abuse kids?
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 02:14:00 PM
Whooter, SUCK IT asked you a question.  Kinda weird considering you're the same poster.  But, hey, roll with it anyway.  SUCK IT wants to know the extent of your fiduciary duty to Aspen Education.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: SUCK IT on August 06, 2010, 02:21:12 PM
Money doesn't abuse children, the staffers who work at programs abuse children. Just like dysfunction junction. Willing to take money to abuse other people's children, what a disgusting person. Survivors here need to pressure abusive staffers like Dysfunction to give back every cent they stole from our parents, and then pay us resitution for all the abuse they put us through.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 02:24:48 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Money doesn't abuse children, the staffers who work at programs abuse children. Just like dysfunction junction. Willing to take money to abuse other people's children, what a disgusting person. Survivors here need to pressure abusive staffers like Dysfunction to give back every cent they stole from our parents, and then pay us resitution for all the abuse they put us through.

You claimed not to be a survivor or to have experienced any abuse.  Now you're saying you were abused?  Which program abused you?

BTW, SUCK IT is Whooter, who just got warned about flooding, so he switched logins to avoid the penalty.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: SUCK IT on August 06, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
So you will keep the blood money you made from abusing children then? Then at the same time expect survivors here to take you seriously? That's not very likely, I bet you made enough from abusing children to buy a nice luxury car at least, maybe enough to buy a yacht or a villa in Italy. What does it feel like to have the blood of children on your hands, and steal the money from their parents and not give it back? Hypocrite.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 06, 2010, 02:29:41 PM
Well, the villa in Italy is nice.  But I don't drive.  I have a servant for that.  You should know that though.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: SUCK IT on August 06, 2010, 02:31:54 PM
Making money from abusing other people's children is a big joke to dysfunction. He could of donatd that money to a survivors fund or given it back to the families, or to hire a lawyer to fight programs. What did he do? He kept it all for himself, because he earned that money, abusing other people's children for money. Takes a big man to abuse children for money, big man.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 06, 2010, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

BTW, SUCK IT is Whooter, who just got warned about flooding, so he switched logins to avoid the penalty.

No one has emailed me about flooding, DJ, you have been doing it for years and would be the one to be warned first.  You lost your unbridled trolling privileges when we forced you out into the light by having you log in for every post under a user name.  You then utilized your time trolling and trying to discredit other posters instead of discussing the issues on the industry.

Now you are claiming every poster who doesn't agree with you is me....  The irony forces me to smile against my better nature.



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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: RobertBruce on August 07, 2010, 09:29:59 AM
Whooter do you agree with Suck it's assertion that anyone who benefits finacially from the TBS industry should give the money back to the children who were abused under it?
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 07, 2010, 11:49:03 AM
All those years of you doing this to me, I have to admit it is fun!!!   lol

Well lets take a look at what is real or not.  Hmmmm...

Someone challenged your education history and you got pissed off and started editing and updating your history.

After you edited your posts you wrote this:  which is your education history:

DJ, On June 30, 2010 you posted this:

June 30 post on DJ's education (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=368264#p368264)

A few hours before you posted the above you went and cleaned up your history going back 5 years.  Here is an example.  Notice the edit stamp at the bottom says:

June 30, 2010

DJ cleaned up all his history going back 5 years (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=11098&p=121144&hilit=msw#p121144)

Another one!  Oh No! DJ was busy cleaning. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=91225#p91225)

Why would you go back 5 years and start editing all your education history just before you posted an update if you have been honest all along?

Just asking.  Why do you accuse others of lying when you deceive the posters here on fornits for 5 years about yourself and education history.

Do you want to tell everyone why you left the industry?  Were you truthful about that too?  Did you have a change of heart or were you forced out because of background checks?  Do you want to take a  look at that next?

See anyone can play the same game you do, DJ.  You have just spent years fabricating an image under the user name Dysfunction junction.



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sting!!!!  wont go away.  lol
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: RobertBruce on August 07, 2010, 12:15:16 PM
Whooter you didn't answer my question about Suck It's assertion.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 07, 2010, 12:17:31 PM
All those years of you doing this to me, I have to admit it is fun!!!   lol

Well lets take a look at what is real or not.  Hmmmm...

Someone challenged your education history and you got pissed off and started editing and updating your history.

After you edited your posts you wrote this:  which is your education history:

DJ, On June 30, 2010 you posted this:

June 30 post on DJ's education (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=368264#p368264)

A few hours before you posted the above you went and cleaned up your history going back 5 years.  Here is an example.  Notice the edit stamp at the bottom says:

June 30, 2010

DJ cleaned up all his history going back 5 years (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=11098&p=121144&hilit=msw#p121144)

Another one!  Oh No! DJ was busy cleaning. (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=91225#p91225)

Why would you go back 5 years and start editing all your education history just before you posted an update if you have been honest all along?

Just asking.  Why do you accuse others of lying when you deceive the posters here on fornits for 5 years about yourself and education history.

Do you want to tell everyone why you left the industry?  Were you truthful about that too?  Did you have a change of heart or were you forced out because of background checks?  Do you want to take a  look at that next?

See anyone can play the same game you do, DJ.  You have just spent years fabricating an image under the user name Dysfunction junction.



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sting!!!!  wont go away.  lol
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 07, 2010, 12:22:10 PM
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter you didn't answer my question about Suck It's assertion.

You might want to ask the mods to clean up the repetitive spam-trolling so the thread can't be derailed.  You've obvioulsy hit a sore spot and unhinged the troll.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Whooter on August 07, 2010, 12:26:40 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
Quote from: "RobertBruce"
Whooter you didn't answer my question about Suck It's assertion.

You might want to ask the mods to clean up the repetitive spam-trolling so the thread can't be derailed.  You've obvioulsy hit a sore spot and unhinged the troll.


They should clean yours up too. All those repeat threads you posted for years,John Reuben etc..  Maybe they can do a search to see who has the most?   whoops  lol



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Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: RobertBruce on August 07, 2010, 12:30:07 PM
That still doenst answer the question Whooter.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on August 07, 2010, 04:52:24 PM
Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
I've been saying this for many years.  The vast majority of these programs have "self-study" academics, no accreditation, no licensed teachers, etc.

We had a long discussion several years ago about the Academy at Swift River, an Aspen Education Program, and the unaccredited academics there.  It was insisted by one poster here that all credits transfer, the school was accredited, etc., although he did admit that his own child had to repeat a year of highschool after leaving ASR.  He continued to claim "improvements have been made and all credits transfer and 100% of this kids get into the college of their choice."  This is false.

After operating this "school" for over a decade, Aspen Education still does not provide transferable credits through its education program.  Here is a recent statement from just last year from a parent whose child was forced to repeat a year of high school after finishing the ASR program:

Quote from: "ASR Parent"
This school is not structured. The credits do not transfer to any school other than as those such as a gym class or band credits. My son, upon returning to regular highschool, had to repeat junior year while taking senior year. I do not recommend this school to anyone.
Posted by a parent on 07/28/09

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

Parents should beware Aspen Education's aggressive and false marketing of its "schools" which cannot issue diplomas nor transerable academic credits.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: RobertBruce on August 07, 2010, 05:04:45 PM
Quote from: "SUCK IT"
Money doesn't abuse children, the staffers who work at programs abuse children. Just like dysfunction junction. Willing to take money to abuse other people's children, what a disgusting person. Survivors here need to pressure abusive staffers like Dysfunction to give back every cent they stole from our parents, and then pay us resitution for all the abuse they put us through.


Suck it, what program did you attend?
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Troll Control on November 12, 2010, 11:07:00 AM
Quote from: "Troll Control"
I've been saying this for many years.  The vast majority of these programs have "self-study" academics, no accreditation, no licensed teachers, etc.

We had a long discussion several years ago about the Academy at Swift River, an Aspen Education Program, and the unaccredited academics there.  It was insisted by one poster here that all credits transfer, the school was accredited, etc., although he did admit that his own child had to repeat a year of highschool after leaving ASR.  He continued to claim "improvements have been made and all credits transfer and 100% of this kids get into the college of their choice."  This is false.

After operating this "school" for over a decade, Aspen Education still does not provide transferable credits through its education program.  Here is a recent statement from just last year from a parent whose child was forced to repeat a year of high school after finishing the ASR program:

Quote from: "ASR Parent"
This school is not structured. The credits do not transfer to any school other than as those such as a gym class or band credits. My son, upon returning to regular highschool, had to repeat junior year while taking senior year. I do not recommend this school to anyone.
Posted by a parent on 07/28/09

Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

Parents should beware Aspen Education's aggressive and false marketing of its "schools" which cannot issue diplomas nor transerable academic credits.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: yorkyfan on March 17, 2011, 04:13:12 PM
I know a child who attended New Leaf, North Carolina (an Aspen school for young girls which is now closed) for eighth and nineth grades. She had been a top student before New Leaf and was an excellent student while at New Leaf. But, upon returning home, her new high school found her deficient in academics enough so that she had to repeat 9th. I think anyone attending any aspen boarding school should get a detailed copy of the school's curriculum and consult with your kid's home school to see if academic credits will transfer.
Title: Re: Academy at Swift River - Academic "Credits" Don't Transf
Post by: Ursus on March 21, 2011, 08:46:19 PM
Quote from: "yorkyfan"
I know a child who attended New Leaf, North Carolina (an Aspen school for young girls which is now closed) for eighth and nineth grades. She had been a top student before New Leaf and was an excellent student while at New Leaf. But, upon returning home, her new high school found her deficient in academics enough so that she had to repeat 9th. I think anyone attending any aspen boarding school should get a detailed copy of the school's curriculum and consult with your kid's home school to see if academic credits will transfer.
I think this is a far commoner occurrence than people realize. I've read of similar such scenarios associated with a number of other programs. From the program's standpoint, they probably rationalize that most parents just want to get their kids back "on track." Academics are such a secondary consideration, why should programs put much effort into bringing it up to expected standards?

Of course, I kinda doubt that parents are fully aware of this beforehand, while the program is still being marketed to them...