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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => Lighthouse of northwest florida (fka VCA )/ Rebekah / Roloff ) => Topic started by: betty277 on July 14, 2004, 08:39:00 PM

Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: betty277 on July 14, 2004, 08:39:00 PM
DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SCHOOL?
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Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2004, 03:42:00 AM
vca is a terrible school. it is a cult. the staff takes the bible out of context and brainwashes the students. i have seen the owner force a bar of soap down a girls throat so hard she bled--on more than one occaision!! and all of this is done if a student curses. i have been out for almost 3 years, and i still have nightmares.
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Post by: betty277 on July 26, 2004, 11:07:00 AM
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Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2004, 07:03:00 PM
thats horrible and there supposed to be religeous?sound like sickos to me!
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Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2004, 11:54:00 PM
hey i know alot about victory myself and would love to talk to you about it send me a message!
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Post by: april0neil on August 06, 2004, 05:54:00 PM
If you need to know about vca i was a student there for almost 2 years.
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Post by: strung_out_suzy on August 08, 2004, 02:52:00 PM
fuck miss bettey she's can lick my twat and suck all the cum that brother brown left up there and love it, fucken whore
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Post by: april0neil on August 08, 2004, 05:58:00 PM
when were u there? :???:
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Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2004, 08:09:00 PM
yea when were you at vca?
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Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2004, 08:11:00 PM
from october 01-Aug 02
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Post by: april0neil on August 09, 2004, 08:42:00 PM
i forgot to sign it but that previous message was from me
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Post by: tina on August 12, 2004, 02:40:00 PM
i think i might have met you i was there may 02 - dec 02 my name is christina durfee
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Post by: betty277 on August 12, 2004, 02:47:00 PM
hey if you wanna chat about vca send me a private message or email [email protected]
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Post by: betty277 on August 12, 2004, 02:49:00 PM
oh yea and btw a website called http://www.isaccorp.com (http://www.isaccorp.com) has some info on vca you should really check it out!
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Post by: xpertis on August 18, 2004, 02:29:00 PM
i didnt go to victory, but i went to genesis by the sea...i knew alot of girls from victory cuz alot of them were sent to genesis after victory. anywho...the whole boarding school sucks ass!!! and i think fucking palmer should die!! oh...and im looking for a girl named heather nunts...or something like that...you all might know her.
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Post by: april0neil on August 18, 2004, 04:50:00 PM
MY NAME IS AMANDA FUOCO
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Post by: xpertis on August 18, 2004, 05:02:00 PM
i'm looking for these girls:
stephanie pappas
heather nuntz
lindsay todd

stephanie and heather both went to vca and gbs if anyone knows them contact me plez. lindsay only went to gbs.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on August 19, 2004, 09:13:00 PM
I live in escondido I went to vca and gbs may02 - apr03
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Post by: Anonymous on August 20, 2004, 02:39:00 AM
i am from san marcos.  it seems like a lot of girls are from that area.  Do they advertise in that area, or what?


:flame: i also hate the palmers, brownes, all the "miss" anybodies, all of them. :flame:
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Post by: betty277 on August 20, 2004, 03:15:00 PM
if you wanna join our yahoo group please feel free to do so we would love to have you your from san marcos?when did you go there?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/ our group is still new but its growing and alot of cool girls are in the group i think you would like it!!!!
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Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2004, 04:40:00 PM
WSUP I WENT TO GBS FUCKING TWICE AND THAT PLACE IS FULL OF BULLSHIT... WHOS THE GRL THATS LOOKIN FOR LINDSEY TODD..STEPHANIE PAPPAS AND HEATHER NUNEZ? I WAS AT GBS WHEN ALL OF THEM WERE THERE. YEA WELL MY NAME IS FELICIA KIM.
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Post by: betty277 on August 23, 2004, 10:38:00 PM
hello i know the girl who is looking for them were you only at gbts?or vca too? yea if you want send me a personal email to http://www.isaccorp.com (http://www.isaccorp.com) there is some stuff on there about our mike palmer you might find interesting.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: xpertis on August 24, 2004, 08:45:00 AM
Felicia!!!! Its me Melanie...e-mail me!!! [email protected]
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Post by: Anonymous on August 25, 2004, 03:58:00 AM
I went there also. Actually, I just got back from there in July,04. I stayed there 6 months. I hated it too. The staff acts like they really care about your problems when in reality they just want you to forget everything you were/did at home. They make new BS rules every week and force you to sit in slience more then they let you talk. In order to get off the "buddy-system" the main thing they want you to do is rat people out for breaking stupid rules like popping zits without staff approval. They want you to hate everything in the world like music that isn't a 1920's hymn. Bro.Palmer doesn't care about troubled girls; it obvious once you see how much money he makes from parents. They oppress you not encourage. When I left ealry they wanted me to burn all my cds that i brought and they trashed my pictures of friends and family. I wouldn't wish Victory on anyone.
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Post by: Tina01 on August 28, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
when were you there i
knew a girl from san marcos her name was leah
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Post by: Anonymous on August 28, 2004, 07:24:00 PM
is this leah puckett???
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Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2004, 04:42:00 AM
im 35 now i was there when i was 15-17 and still have nightmares of being taken away from my current family and sent there
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Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2004, 04:46:00 AM
are u the girl alergic to the ant bites and who tried to escape the ramona vca?
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Post by: Devlin on September 17, 2004, 06:39:00 PM
you want justice for Voctory or Genesis? E-mail me at [email protected] and i will put you in touch with a lawyer who will help you sue them big time.
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Post by: sarah21 on September 17, 2004, 08:30:00 PM
If i know who your talking about stephanie pappas was sent to victory last sun. she was here at my church, after genesis closed, she was here for like 3 days, her parents sent her straight to FL.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2004, 03:40:00 AM
let me say something to you... i dont appreciate you talking smack of brother palmer... i know for fact that you are nothing but a person that is very bitter and full of lies..and yanno what the people that knows brother palmer and the staff there and even the girls know that your words are all lies.so what a few of you girls get your feathers ruffled and so you find it that you need to bash people.you know if your words were truth brother palmer wouldnt be where hes at today.so do whatever you feel that you need to do and yanno what the truth always prevails..We all know the truth now don't we? and one more thing,, i will see to it that this nonsense of this posting of all your lies will be stopped.. you better think twice of all the slander a few of you have created....Just remember what goes around comes around...May God Bless Each and EveryOne Of You.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2004, 09:04:00 AM
Suzy- I was at Victory twice- In 1994-1996..
My name is Julie. When were you there?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2004, 09:09:00 AM
I don't know who you are, but I spent almost two years at Victory, and that place saved my life. I feel very fortunate to have been there and I was happy to see you defending the staff etc.  Those people far from abuse any of the girls there.  Write back if you want.  My name is Julie-  I was there 1994-96. :wave:
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2004, 06:42:00 PM
Hey when were you at Victory?? I was there between 1994-96..
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Post by: Anonymous on September 19, 2004, 11:53:00 PM
well im not in the mood right now to go and think up a screen name but my name is,jessica Washington my neice was in vca in florida and i know for a fact that it is not a great place.Now that i have told you my name what is yours? do you work for vca?it is never right to threaten people, and how can you call yourself in line with vcas principles and stand from your soapbox shouting down codiscending condemnation.You will shut no one down, ever heard of freedom of speech thats one of the many things that was never granted to my neice in vca.She did not start talking to me about all the offenses until four years later, she has nightmares to this day what causes nightmares propably not friday night "fun" night watching disney movies propably not the ridiculous cirriculum, propably not even dorm "silence" but what actually causes these nightmares IS abuse.And why is it that you only adress the yahoo group is that the one that offends you most?I have seen far "worse" and even more substantiated posts on this site.So why sit back watching the rest of the kids in the pool anonymous heres your official invitation to join that rascal ridden' group, come on in the waters great!
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Post by: princessjenn007 on September 20, 2004, 11:44:00 PM
Lets clear up a few things.  This "anonymous" is not a staff member, there is no way they would say "talking smack" and sound so silly.  Don't front, no one's scared.  

Just for definition's sake, a "few" is 3-4 girls, not 25-40, that have all been there at different times, and none of whom know each other.

And where is Palmer?  Under investigation.  Great place to be.  Funny thing- that's where he stays, in trouble with some governing body or another.

If you believed and took part in vca, you would have said, "you reap what you sow".  what kind of victory girl are you?

good luck with all those unresolved issues.  ::boohoo:: if you feel like talking about them, visit the yahoo group.  you know how to get there.

pj007
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 22, 2004, 12:06:00 PM
I was there twice..  First from 2/94- 2/95 and then from 6/95- 1-96.  My name is Julie Shelton, do you know me?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: princessjenn007 on September 25, 2004, 01:25:00 PM
no julie, i don't remember you, but my memory is very bad.  Especially around VCA time.  I guess I just "forgot" :???:  i left in october of 94. send me a private email.

[email protected]
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on October 03, 2004, 01:36:00 PM
i went to vca i got out in dec of '03
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Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2004, 06:32:00 PM
Hey Christina Durfee..I remember you when I was at vca. Oct 02-Jan-04. I came in with my sister, Maria, and Joytee and Joanna buddied me. -Larissa
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Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2004, 08:16:00 PM
are you the larissa that was also at DePaul?
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Post by: princessjenn007 on October 05, 2004, 11:50:00 AM
Isn't that interesting how this "anon" decided to quit posting?  What happened?  Nothing more to say?  Found something better to do? Still don't have the balls to say your name?  :lol:

"let me say something to you... i dont appreciate you talking smack of brother palmer... i know for fact that you are nothing but a person that is very bitter and full of lies..and yanno what the people that knows brother palmer and the staff there and even the girls know that your words are all lies.so what a few of you girls get your feathers ruffled and so you find it that you need to bash people.you know if your words were truth brother palmer wouldnt be where hes at today.so do whatever you feel that you need to do and yanno what the truth always prevails..We all know the truth now don't we? and one more thing,, i will see to it that this nonsense of this posting of all your lies will be stopped.. you better think twice of all the slander a few of you have created....Just remember what goes around comes around...May God Bless Each and EveryOne Of You."[ This Message was edited by: princessjenn007 on 2004-10-05 08:54 ]
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Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2004, 06:48:00 PM
including miss virginia. what a whore
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Post by: Anonymous on October 06, 2004, 06:54:00 PM
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME
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Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2004, 04:51:00 PM
ahahah you're all bitter little babies who got put somewhere by your parents who needed help controling the monsters that you were, deal with it and stop whinning on internet message boards :lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2004, 07:27:00 PM
lmao are you twelve years old? or are you a brainwashed little freak?i am certain it is one or the other.Did you attend vca?Look whoever you are we are allowed to post whatever we want on the internet thats the beauty of it you see?And i am certain that the palmers just love it are'nt you?Oh well you really are a waste of human space but i just had to give you my two cents go read your bible silly child.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2004, 07:31:00 PM
hi larissa, this is christina durfee(ross) i got married in august when did you get out of victory? email me [email protected]
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Post by: Anonymous on October 09, 2004, 07:49:00 PM
oh yea and by the way in case you didnt know thats what this board is for survivors of these kind of brainwashing cults so why dont you just go the hell away!
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 12:01:00 AM
Opps am I steping on some toes here?? Someone seems to be getting alittle hot under the collar, you need to grow up and learn how to make normal grown up conversation, I think I know who you are, although there seem to be a few disgruntled babies on here who refuse to grow up and move on, SPARE ME WITH THE LABELING YOURSELVES AS SURVIVORS cry me a river your lucky you didnt end up living out on the streets eating out of dumpsters, you gag me
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 12:04:00 AM
I was at Victory way back when it was in Ramona, California and I can't think of anything negative to say about that place, it changed my life and I am now a very happy grown woman with a family that I dont think had I not gone there, I wouldn't have those things. Im not understanding all the hateful things placed on this site, it's sad  :sad:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 11:59:00 AM
Oh, well sorry to inform you sweetie that the state of California could think of plenty to say negative about that place go to isac and read the doc entitled "description of the get gright room" if your ace pace education was enough to help you figure out how to do that.look whoever you are just because you think its alright does not mean that it was you might not have been negativley effected by that hell hole however, that does not mean that people were'nt.So please consider someone elses feelings besides your own.If you think the palmers are such wonderful people then go and start a yahoo group about what a great time you had at vca im sure you would get tons of members. LOL. Just do whatever you need to do but leave us alone here, your opinion really is not welcome and to be quite honest i'm really not buying your story that victory was all peaches and cream but whatever.You just belive whatever it takes so you wont have to deal with the reality that your civil rights were violated in every sense of the word.I mean you really think its kosher to not be allowed to speak, use a phone, read a book, watch tv, shit, shower, or any other basic daily activity at all or without "permission" come on lady, you cant possibly belive that can you?and you also belive it alright to lock a gilr in a 4x5 room because she is "acting out", or possibly because she has bulimia?is that funny to you?Being forced to eat what is served or having it shoved down your throat oh thats lovely or how about being forced to eat your vomit?you think thats cute?well your a sick puppy to agree with this stuff.However i am done with you i will not argue with you again however i am sure someone else will, you quite frankly were not even worth this much of my time.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 12:01:00 PM
you gag me you silly little slut! lmao!your a pathetic piece of work are'nt you?go defend your good buddy palmer elsewhere you sick bitch.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
:lol: I'm not worth your time yet you spent an aweful lot of time typing all that stuff to me in reply, Im flattered, really! I'm sorry you're so bitter about things and I do wish you the very best in your sad pathetic life you are living...Oh Amen!
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Post by: betty277 on October 10, 2004, 03:17:00 PM
ATTN ANONS, if you are so hellbent and prideful about your school then why not start a coalition, be proud USE YOUR NAME!stop hiding behind anon postings why not start a yahoo group? :nworthy: (we're not worthy we're not worthy)
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 04:08:00 PM
Oh im pathetic?lol at least i was not stupid enough to buy into all the bull shit palmer was selling and you obviously were. :wstupid: its alright though honey you will be just fine its nothing some good old fashioned therapy cant fix maybe a cult recovery specialist you should look into that :wave:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 04:47:00 PM
ahahahaah as far as people using anon id's on here there are alot of people on here using those on here speaking good and bad about VCA so as far as that goes, Id like it if you kindly didnt tell me what to do, ahhh thankyou.
Now about me getting therapy, I think this is good therapy for me, sitting and reading all of you girls nasty comments, watching you squirm in your misery, reading your bitter words  :silly:
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Post by: betty277 on October 10, 2004, 05:00:00 PM
squirm in misery???hmmmm thats a new one your ace pace education is showing. :wave:
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Post by: betty277 on October 10, 2004, 05:17:00 PM
oh and the fact that you "like" watching people squirm in their misery is quite sick are you disturbed?The fact that you enjoy watching people suffer?That is so very victory :scared: that creeps me out!I mean its just not "normal" to enjoy watching others suffer, in my opinion anyway.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 06:46:00 PM
Betty it looks as though you need to get a life, your name shows up on here far too often.
 :smile: Go outside and experience life, you might enjoy it  :em:
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Post by: betty277 on October 10, 2004, 06:48:00 PM
is that as good as you can do?come on, surely you can do better than that!can you not respond to anything tell me are you not able to think for yourself? :wave: [ This Message was edited by: betty277 on 2004-10-10 15:50 ]
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 07:33:00 PM
you girlys make me laugh  :lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 07:37:00 PM
does anyone here know if the Palmers have kids of their own? Im curious to know how they handled their own kids, after the way these girls were treated
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 07:42:00 PM
yes he does he has several.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 07:48:00 PM
does anyone on here know how to contact geni conley?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 07:52:00 PM
what is girlys?? do you mean girlies? lmao :wave:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 07:54:00 PM
shut up betty brown! :roll:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 09:05:00 PM
so its come down to correcting peoples spelling on here? Ok now im convinced u havent got a life for sure  ::bigsmilebounce::  ::bigsmilebounce::
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Post by: Anonymous on October 10, 2004, 11:05:00 PM
"peoples" spelling???you know that was your spelling silly girl.yea your right your not worthy of my arguments anymore :nworthy: make sure you tell palmer about all of us awful girls bad mouthing him on here oh and hey direct him to the isac website you know , the one the girls parents will be reading? :rofl: have a great evening!!btw you talk about me having nothing better to do however you continue to argue with me?what is that saying about you honey?thats why you should try your hardest to think before you speak. :grin: i know its hard for someone with your intelligence level but.....
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Post by: princessjenn007 on October 11, 2004, 02:39:00 PM
[email protected] :wave:
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Post by: princessjenn007 on October 11, 2004, 02:50:00 PM
nikki
amy
mike
christa?

they all came through the school while i was there.  they were all married, but from what i hear, mike jr. has divorced debbie.  i wonder why? i really liked her.

the palmer's kids helped do various things like cooking, friday night planning or landscaping.  that's pretty much all we saw of them.  the kids seemed to be "in charge" of the relationship between parents and children.  i seriously doubt they were treated as vca/gbs students are.  

from what i hear, things have gotten worse for the girls at vca/gbs.  i attended in 92-94, and aside from certain things, it seems like a cake-walk compared to what the girls talk about today.  very sick stuff. :scared:

are the majority of palmer's recruits still from california?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 13, 2004, 10:36:00 PM
I was very close the Palmers two youngest daughters, they were great to the girls when I was in the school back in the late 80's, I dont really know anything else about the other Palmer kids so I can't comment  :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2004, 10:53:00 AM
It's kind of sad how some girls get on here and trash all the SURVIVORS from VCA and GBS. Personally I don't think they have the right to talk. Everyone had a different experience at the "schools", and some of the experiences were worse than others. If you want to say the people from Palmer schools are "godly"...you can say all that you want, but they arent. God made it so people have a choice because he loves them. God put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the middle of the garden for the one purpose...to give Adam and Eve a choice. The people at VCA and GBS didn't love the girls. The SURVIVORS of the Palmer schools may be bitter, but I believe we have reason to be, we were abused, and taken advantage of. We have a reason to be angry at the people who have abused us. Soon everyone will know the truth about tha Palmer schools. ::bangin::
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
In the words of Justin Timberlake :Cry me a riverrrrrrrr"
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2004, 12:14:00 PM
Oh Amen!!! I think you girls all need to saturate yourselves in some good old scooter pie and hotdog water. Love one another and treat others with kindness  :lol: Im a little teapot I know that for sure.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2004, 12:15:00 PM
Does anyone on here remember someone called Pudge Meekway? Im looking for him
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Post by: princessjenn007 on October 14, 2004, 12:18:00 PM
I know you cannot begin to think your post was the least bit "Christian".  You say you enjoyed the school so much, but it doesn't appear as though it helped you with your insensitivity issues.  Looks like you are still behaving under that assumption that the world revolves around you and your perceptions.  Get with A program.  Choose well, and be committed :exclaim:
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2004, 02:54:00 PM
Princess Jenn my darling, I think you have become far too involved in this messages board thing and its begun to consume your life. I feel sorry for your child, does he cry for you when you are on here spewing your utter hatred towards VCA and all that it stands for? Find something else to do and all will be ok. Ive been coming to read this board for about a month now, never commented until now but I think this is something that needed to be addressed  ::mecry::
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Post by: princessjenn007 on October 14, 2004, 03:11:00 PM
As it so happens, I can afford to pay somebody else to watch my son while I am researching or otherwise disposed.  Ever heard of a nanny?  Is this a foreign concept to you?  My children are very well taken care of, wherever I happen to be at the moment. Thanks for your concern.

Interesting how you need to mention something totally off the subject to get a word in edgewise.  Enough with the program-ese, why not speak on the subject?  Instead, you choose to post about me, one person.  I guess I am just that important. :wink:

You are correct in stating this cause is very important to me.  Right now, as we sit in our comfortable homes, children are imprisioned in these schools.  No one will listen to their stories.  I believe in supporting these students and showing them they are not alone.

What's your motivation for reading/posting here?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 14, 2004, 05:34:00 PM
I dont think I would call Jen's words hateful only truthful.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 12:05:00 PM
Well, well, well looky looky another pathetic vca supporter to scared to say who they are.... :question:  look leave jenn alone you chicken shit.You dont even have the nerve to say who you are bug off moron because quite frankly no one really wants to hear your gums flappin'.Nothing you can ever do or say is going to change anyones mind so you truly are wasting your time on fornits. :wave: go put your head back up palmers ass.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
::rocker:: I think you just said how all of us feel... :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 01:07:00 PM
sure did
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Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 01:12:00 PM
If Palmer wasnt doing anything wrong he wouldnt hide behind the walls of VCA! He is doing wrong, and so where the staff at GBS which is why they are making it hard for any news reporters to contact them...they are scared, but then again if the world found out I abused hundreds of teen girls I'd be afraid too.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 01:13:00 PM
Palmer sucks, swallows, vomits, and licks up the vomit!!!
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Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 04:27:00 PM
Call me crazy retard but didnt u just make that post with an anon name?? As you're telling other people to say who they are?? AHAHAHAHAAHHAHAAH THATS RICH!!!
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Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 04:39:00 PM
Girl...you are way too into this...you are letting it consume your life...why dont you go out and do something? Get a job or a boyfriend... anything. Or maybe you arent allowed to have a boyfriend because your Palmers little whore, and you cant have a job can you because you cant wear pants because Palmer wants easy access to your yeast infected pussy.
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Post by: betty277 on October 15, 2004, 09:20:00 PM
Hello no i am not posting anon i was just to sick of arguing with you to log in so here ya go! I am logged in so who are you???????Nevermind you wont say your to ashamed as you should be defending that pedophile. :wstupid: So anyway who are you?Again if your so proud of VCA then by all means please let them know your defending them on here and fighting for their honor come on sweetness dont be shy..... :rofl:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2004, 01:00:00 AM
I know, if we all bitch about it, we will all feel better.
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Post by: betty277 on October 16, 2004, 10:22:00 AM
To some it feels nice to TALK about it not really bitch but to talk about it for some girls who have never had a chance to say what really happened.If you want to call it "bitching" fantastic! then so be it, yes to bitch makes us feel better so we shall. :wave: so anyway bug off.I mean not to be cruel however your statements are always very ignorant, its almost like you really have nothing to say at all.I find it quite humorous as do others.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 16, 2004, 11:50:00 PM
Betty betty betty, I see you have been on here again typing your chubby little fingers to the bone huh?  ::bigmouth:: I wonder if I know you in real life  :question: Maybe you are even someone I got along with in the past, wouldn't that be a hoot  :wave:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2004, 10:16:00 AM
LMAO  :nworthy: go ahead just do it honey.I am soooo very glad VCA helped you so much go then please, please, please go worship him... :rofl: Now from this point on until you can say who you are our fighting is over which i know is really hard for you since you obviously look forward to it daily.But i have no time for someone who is just chicken shit.Have a good one chunk.
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Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2004, 11:51:00 PM
Lilypie Baby Days
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Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2004, 12:54:00 AM
Yes!!! How do you know about this fellow?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 24, 2004, 02:21:00 PM
Quote
On 2004-10-14 09:15:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Does anyone on here remember someone called Pudge Meekway? Im looking for him"


Yes!!! Who are you and how do you know him?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 26, 2004, 05:33:00 PM
isn't that the ace pace guy?
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Post by: maybeyouknowher on October 27, 2004, 12:00:00 AM
DID ANYONE GO TO THESE SCHOOLS IN 99 FROM JANUARY THROUGH JULY?  I WAS AT BOTH. I MAY KNOW YOU AND MAYBE YOU KNOW ME.
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2004, 01:51:00 PM
i went there from feb'03 to dec'03 any one go during those times?
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Post by: Anonymous on October 28, 2004, 02:12:00 PM
hey...i went there durring those times. e-mail me [email protected]
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Post by: christine1019 on November 01, 2004, 09:21:00 PM
u mean heather nunez?
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Post by: christine1019 on November 01, 2004, 09:22:00 PM
hey I know all these girls.  who is this??
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Post by: christine1019 on November 01, 2004, 09:26:00 PM
lol, hey FELICIA KIM!  haha, it's Christine.  just thought I'd check this thing out to see what it's all about.  oh yeah, if u ever need me, my email address is [email protected]
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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on November 02, 2004, 05:37:00 PM
hey my name is marie iwent to victory i know jasmine the one that has bee there seen she was ten nadia who are i was a loud mouth we probably nkow each other
 

Every man has a property in his own person.
This nobody has any right to but himself.
The labor of his body and the work of his
 hands are properly his.


--John Locke

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on November 02, 2004, 05:40:00 PM
hey i think i nkow you was'nt you a helper and yon graduate from there and kristy was your friend

The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it.
--Robert G. Ingersoll, American politician and lecturer

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on November 02, 2004, 05:44:00 PM
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hey my name is marie pompee i went there 1999 2001
did you go to victory

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
--H. L. Mencken, American publisher

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on November 02, 2004, 05:53:00 PM
my name is marie i went there you kwow leah she gave me her address before i left but i lost it

That which does not kill you can make you stronger, but I really never needed to be this strong.



Scott Wagner

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on November 03, 2004, 05:02:00 PM
yes i went there vca for 2years

We did not inherit this land from our ancestors, we borrow it form our children.


Haida

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Post by: Anonymous on November 14, 2004, 06:55:00 PM
i did. norma was my buddier when i was a new girl. she was just made helper that night. is this marie p.? you might not remember me, my name is ashley
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Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2004, 04:49:00 PM
DAMN... LOOKZ LIKE ALL OF U ARE CLOWNIN DAT BETTY FUCKING BROWN BITCH... DAMN WOMAN JUST SHUT YOUR DIRTY MOUTH AND DO EVERYONE A FUCKING FAVOR... NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR ALL YOUR CRAP... ON THE REALS THOUGH... IF WE WANNA TALK SHIT... WERE GOING TO TALK OUR FUCKING SHIT... I BET IF YOU ACTUALLY CAME OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD WE WOULD ALL KICK YOUR SORRY ASS... SO JUSS STAY LOCKED UP AND KEEP KISSIN BRO PALMERS UGLYASS ALRIGHT? ISNT IT OBVIOUS ALREADY THAT GOD AINT WITH HIS MINISTRY? GENESIS GOT SHUT DOWN BITCH. SO PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP. BY THE WAY, I AINT GONNA HIDE BEHIND THE COMPUTER SCREEN, I WENT TO GENESIS TWICE AND THE NAMES FELICIA. STOP TALKING ABOUT THAT ACE EDUCATION BULLSHIT MAN, ITS JUST A FUCKING COMIC BOOK THAT NO ONE PAID ATTENTION TO.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2004, 09:37:00 PM
does anyone know if there are other forums besides this one? :question:
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Post by: Anonymous on November 15, 2004, 09:54:00 PM
no there really are not any other message boards just our yahoo group....
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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on November 16, 2004, 06:36:00 PM
I DONT REMENBER BUT THIS IS MARIE POMPEE WAS ME AN U GOOD FRIEND AND DID U KEEP IN TOUCH WITH ANYBODY DONT U NO WHAT EVER HAPPEN TO ADDRIANE AND KRISTY AND MACKENCKIE

In order to live free and happily you must sacrifice boredom. It is not always an easy sacrifice.
-- Richard Bach

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Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2004, 12:11:00 PM
Hey Larissa Send me an E-mail [email protected] :lol:
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Post by: betty277 on November 20, 2004, 04:17:00 PM
Well, well, well look who we have here, you're the little snot that has been sending my good friend rude e-mails hmmmmm. Well missy i'm going to tell you one little tid bit of info so take notes, she does not really give a rats ass if you believe her or not and quite frankly neither do i. Just know this you are not hurting her only getting on her nerves, i am so super joyed that VCA was a cake walk for you(btw this must mean your home life really stunk) congratulations and i am sure it "saved your life" TERRIFIC!!!! Just leave her alone she does'nt really need your bullshit,comments nor does she need your two cents (however i do not believe they are even worth the 2 cents). Oh and by the way i really hope you are telling the Palmers everything that is said on this board, we want them to know :wave: Have a great day Joanne.[ This Message was edited by: betty277 on 2004-11-20 13:53 ]
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Post by: Anonymous on November 21, 2004, 03:35:00 AM
ok, now you are in for it, bitch.  i don't know who you think you are sending people hate email, but it STOPS NOW.  The only reason you had the one email address is because you are a filthy pirate.

You thought when you emailed our friend you would just bitch her out and set her straight, right?  What you don't understand is, when you mess with one of us, you get the whole pack.  Are you, one sorry-ass girl, ready to roll with all of us?  I don't think so.  

But, you might be feelin' froggy, so come with it.  Tell us all about how wrong we are.  Tell us all we weren't hurt there.  But you know the truth, right?  You're omnipresent now?(you should know this word, having attended vca)

BTW, why would you stay and post in a place where you are NOT WANTED? Sicko fetish, maybe?  They have websites for that stuff, too.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 25, 2004, 05:57:00 PM
I went to Genesis from September 01-July 02 was anyone on here there then. I know Felicia Kim.

email me: [email protected]
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Post by: Anonymous on November 26, 2004, 12:42:00 PM
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On 2004-07-26 00:42:00, Anonymous wrote:

"vca is a terrible school. it is a cult. the staff takes the bible out of context and brainwashes the students. i have seen the owner force a bar of soap down a girls throat so hard she bled--on more than one occaision!! and all of this is done if a student curses. i have been out for almost 3 years, and i still have nightmares."
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Post by: Scarred4Life on November 26, 2004, 12:51:00 PM
STEPHANIE PAPPAS WAS MY VERY GOD FRIEND. TILL SHE STOLE MY BLACK CONVERSE! AAHH! SHES A LIL MEXICAN THEIF. i thought she was cool 4 a logn time...
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Post by: Scarred4Life on November 26, 2004, 12:55:00 PM
Hey, girls, im lookin for a BITCH by the name of KATHERINE TILLET!!! she was a helper at VCA. little snipe. ims ure youve heard of her. shes from cali.Im me, k?
love ya
-Rae
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Post by: Scarred4Life on November 26, 2004, 01:03:00 PM
HEY, BABE! THIS IS RACHEL! IM GONNA SEND YOU SOME PICS OF ME IF YA WANTED. GOOD TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO KNEW TILLET. IM GONNA FIND THAT BITCH. HEHE. lol. anyways, email me at [email protected]
K?
-Rae-Rae ( HAYGOOD)
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Post by: Anonymous on December 01, 2004, 11:57:00 PM
Yeah...well...just remember sis, if it weren't for girls like you, they wouldn't even need places like vca. My advice is, if you want to REALLY shut these places down.....stay out of trouble.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2004, 10:04:00 AM
Wow what a moron, let's pick apart your statement and see if any of it makes ANY sense whatsoever. Okay so if we were good we would not need to be brainwashed? Oh, that makes sense,not!!!! And you are saying to help close these schools we should stay out of trouble??? Hmmmm also makes no sense, you see i think to close these schools down we need the state on our side well guess what smartie? we are almost there!!!!! VCA will be closed down within the next year or so. So my advice to you is to sit back and watch it unfold before your very eyes it should be a great show!I mean it happened in California so it wont be that hard to make it possible here, actually i find it makes it much easier. :wave:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2004, 04:49:00 PM
I'm 33 now and went there for 1988 - 1989 when it was in Ramona.  Do you mind sharing your name?  My name is Michelle Anderson.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2004, 04:57:00 PM
Yes, they have at least two daughters that I know of.  One was married and didn't live on the "compound" and the other was a senior in 1988-1989 and got pregnant out of wedlock on the "compound" and got married on New Years Eve 1988 and the baby was born in August but if you asked Bro. P when the baby was due he would tell you he didn't know, that was women's business.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 02, 2004, 04:59:00 PM
I was in 9/88 - 9/89, how 'bout you?
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Post by: goonandcryboutit on December 04, 2004, 04:52:00 PM
been to many programs, interventions, detention centers, jail, shelters, you name it. vca was the closest thing to a strict, religious summercamp....was it not. of course that's just my opinion. it's understandable to me that some  resent the fact that you missed out on the fun things back at home, and your freedoms were put on pause, but every single girl can take the positive things they learned from the experience or they can dwell about the negative aspects. growing up requires us to learn from bad mistakes and be responsible for ourselves, not desperately searching for those to blame. im not downing anyones remarks made here. i respect everyones opinion , and to a certain extent, i know where you are coming from, depending on how old you are.The maturity level will determine what moves you make from here,....now that you are home and are in charge of your own decisions.Proving that victory was unfair and unjust, inhumane and an abomination wont change a darn thing in our lives, ..Will it? maybe i am wrong. all for now.   god bless to those reppin bk to fullest, hope all is well with ashley evans and js  jaky j. stay your but out of trouble.  read a book or something
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Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2004, 07:22:00 PM
I am sorry to tell you this but it is not about fixing our lives its about making sure other girls dont have to deal with what we had to deal with. I am glad you thought vca was like summercamp, i did not. I dont know of any summercamp like that. Have you ever stopped and thought that maybe your still a bit on the brainwashed side? just a thought.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 04, 2004, 09:18:00 PM
People who have been emotionally/physically/sexually abused at this school should focus on the positive...like...?  Sometimes they gave us candy?  Yippee!  Sometimes if we acted like good little brainwashed cult-members we got to help the staff make other girls miserable?  Shit!  I can't believe I've been such a crybaby!  

Get your head out of the sand, zombie!  Wake up and recognize that you're just a mindless tool!
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Post by: goonandcryboutit on December 05, 2004, 09:19:00 PM
Hey now, I'm not condoning actions of those who abused their authority in any way. I'm not sayin i didn't have to deal with enough myself, i'll keep that to myself. Like I said, I've been around, in and out of programs and places where believe it or not, worse things have happened. Those girls who have been abused in some way do have the right and should have the oppurtunity to seek justice and such. I'm more or less addressing those girls who think it was rough because they couldn't have access to meaningless trash, or they had a job, hated their buddy and had to write lines. you know the kind. If you don't know of any, it was probably you! mostly it was the spoiled youngens. secondly, I didn't know i was talking to just you, but hey, if the shoe fits...you know the rest. honestly, i've dealt with the emotions that were left after i did my year and some odd months. i'm what you call a succesful and productive member of society, now anyways, and what my point im trying to relay is i refuse to let any of my obstacles that i've already made it thru affect my future anymore. i am a christian, not a bible thumper,. i lead a normal life. im not trying to insult anyone. what im saying are only suggestions. I do agree that there have been cases where some staff have gone to far. i've definitely witnessed many. your damn right. maybe it should be closed,maybe it shouldn't. who knows if it will. in the meantime though, how these girls deal with what they say happened is all up to them. they are in charge of their destiny. if they are lucky enough to be home, why couldn't they seek help and straighten out their own lives and lead them selves towards their idea of success. i'm not perfect. i've just maybe....maybe.. got a little more wisdom about trying to make a life out of broken plans, and situations that aren't fair, that i had no control over. and that's an under statement. and i know you'll do what ur gonna do regardless. im just lettin ya know. far from brainwashed,tho never that. shoot, having my own thoughts and ideas is one reason i was court ordered to go to vca. if u think im totally full of caca dont read what i write. what doesn't kill us makes us stronger, right. as for me, i know thats true, im living proof.  god bless
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Post by: goonandcryboutit on December 05, 2004, 09:35:00 PM
oh yeah, by the way, you are definitely free to call me names and say what you want. go ahead, vent your anger on a stranger,...let it all out honey. do what you have to do. hopefully you don't let the anger ruin your life. there is a time to let things go before it consumes you. that would only hurt you. ill repeat it .. it only hurts you. yeah, be as you like. sound like you want. cuz no matter what your mind can cleverly come up with, guess what,.....im not gonna goonandcryboutit! im gonna keep things respectable and talk like the adult that i am. some people never grow up. some people never take good advice. some people never succeed. sincerely, girl,im not trying to steer you wrong. Again,. just suggestions.  god bless
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Post by: Anonymous on December 05, 2004, 10:14:00 PM
Yes, and you're definitely free to write in your condescending tone, calling people "honey" and questioning their ages and maturity levels.  It's hardly keeping "things respectable" or "talk[ing] like the adult that [you] are," but okay.  Your opinions are all over the place anyway.  Thanks for all the tips on growing up and succeeding though.  My friends and I had a good laugh about that.  You know, a "belly laugh."  The kind that's good for the heart.

And no, fighting to close these schools down will not change what happened to anyone who is not there anymore, but apparently, you have failed to retain one of the Bible's more important principles: helping others.  I won't hold it against you, as the principle wasn't given much weight at VCA.
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Post by: Bitterness is Bad on December 06, 2004, 04:53:00 PM
Whoa! So much bitterness. I see that alot of you guys have so much bitterness and hate towards VCA. I'm really sorry that so many of you have had such a bad experience at this school. All of you that went there were sent there for one or more reasons and they were not for not taking out the trash. Someone somewhere out there cared enough to pay well over a thousand a month for your hearts to be changed. To me it looks like those that went to VCA not willing to change didn't, never will and took VCA as a bad experience hence having hatred toward that school. Then again there were others that went to that school and wanted to change and did. I think that everyone is truely entitled to their own opinions and I see you girls come on here and vent your anger, and thats good. However I think that you also need to respect the people that feel different about VCA. I was a girl at VCA several years back. I did not want to go willing, yet my experience there was well worth it. I do not feel as if I was brainwashed. I am not a Zombie and neither is "goonandcryboutit". We are proof that if you want to change you can. People don't brainwash you. If anyone brainwashes its people brainwashing themselves. No one can force you to beleive in something that you don't beleive in. You can tell me 100 times that the sky is black, and I will never beleive you because I see the sky is blue. The staff at VCA strictly read the Bible, preached the Bible and from what I saw lived as the Bible spoke. I can only account for what I saw when I was there and there was no sort of abuse. However when you girls claim that there is, then that infact is between you, the Lord and whomever you are accusing of doing such a thing and I'm sorry that you had such a traumatic experience there. I am not a saint nor am I a "diehard" Christian. In VCA's terms I have backslidden shamefully; I rarely go to church, had a child before marriage, and lived completely right or as as God would have liked me to therefore I do not want you girls thinking that I am some sort of "Zombie" as you say. I am an averge person that had alot of problems when I was younger to the extent that my family sadly was forced to send me away to a Christian organization where only God could save me from my sin. I have a young daughter and I know that if I had such a hard time with her as my parents had with me I would not hesitate to send my daughter to VCA. I took what VCA taught me and used it. I have a wonderful husband, 2 beautiful children and I live a wonderful life and for some reason I am not as miserable as most of you guys on here, however, being respectful to everyones opinions I understand everyone has their own problems. I understand that the majority of you girls consider your experience at VCA a bad one and rather than dwelling on it I think it would probably be better for you to just move on. You all have so many more years to live, husbands to find, children to have.....laughs to laugh..... whats dwelling on 1 year or less spent in Jay going to do for you? All of you are in my thoughts and prayers. God Bless all of you!
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Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2004, 07:03:00 PM
For someone who claims to not be brainwashed you sure do use the VCA slang "bitterness" Hmmm... Oh well look this is a site for survivors in case you did not notice this, so why don't you go and start a message board about how much these kinds of schools can save you life. Or you could even start a group about it because i think you would be hard pressed finding 30-50 people to join your group, or to post on your board. But this is just MY opinion, answer me this really quick do you find it alright to make someone eat their vomit?, or how about to deny someone their religious freedoms? Are these things okay with you? I firmly believe these schools were not made for parents who "cared enough to pay 1,000 or more a month" but more like schools for parents who just did'nt want to have children i mean having them was no problem but as the going got tough...off to VCA you go. I mean for gods sake rise your children already, besides i will never believe that kids just "act out" mom and dad need to take some responsibility too. To the best of my knowledge VCA does not offer any counsling what so ever, please correct me if i am wrong here but, i also believe their are no licensed teachers, psycholigists, nor medical staff on site??? How can you truly resolve your issues without discussing what is REALLY going on here? Okay i have spent far to much of my time on you i suppose it just amazes me how some can allow themselves to be so blind. Oh one more key point how can you say all of the girls there did bad things what can an 11 year old do that is so bad her own parents would send her away? you say you have children how can you say that i am truly appauled by your comments.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2004, 07:10:00 PM
:wink: They were always nothing but nice to me when I was in the Ramona school, we were very close infact. Amy is very happily married still with four kids and her husband is a singer in a band and Niki has made some changes in her life and is happy with her three girls. So FORGET YA'LL and YO BAD SELVES....YOU DONT KNOW ME
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2004, 07:18:00 PM
:wave: A VCA site for survivors?? are you guys kidding me?! PLEASEEEEEEE give it up already and push yourselves away from the pc and go do something with all that energy. Surely there are other things you can do with your time? I dont care what school it is, there will always be kids that dont like it, thats just an obious point to take, there will never be a school where every student is in bliss about it. Learn from it, move on before you all start suffering from some serious bed sores!! LONG LIVE MISS BETTY! "Oh Amen Bro Brown"
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Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2004, 09:47:00 PM
I love how Palmer's puppets come on here every day to tell us to find something better to do with our time.  Why don't you leave this site and get back to your domestic sciences courses if you claim to be so busy and spiritually elevated?  Surely your puppeteer would condemn all this idle time you've spent online.

For the record, I agree that my parents sent me to VCA out of concern for my well-being.  The Palmers then used my parents' fear as a tool.  My parents recognize that now.  They realize that we all did things wrong in the past.  It wasn't just me that had to give in.  They had to do their part as parents too.

My life is just fine, thank you very much.  I have all the things you say I have to look forward to...except that no, contrary to what VCA taught us, I was not just put here to have a husband and children.  I have a successful career too.  In getting here, I had to get an education...look in to it.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2004, 09:50:00 PM
Stupid, stupid, stupid your ace pace education is certainly showing, silly girl!actually smartie pants they also have sons. One of them actually joined our survivors group, he propably needs it after growing up with that rapist for a father. Oh and they wont live long silly VCA will be closed all in due time just like the first one and just like GBTS for such great people their schools sure do get shut down for abuse alot. You see anyone with any common sense at all would think that somthing about that is strange , but since you have none it's no wonder.... Poor little child. :wstupid:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 06, 2004, 09:59:00 PM
One quick comment, somthing i have always found interesting is that girls who claim they were abused will come out and say who they are but these puppets are never willing to give a name??? very interesting especially since they are so proud and happy about how much VCA "helped" them. I mean why remain anon if it was so great for you? seems an abuse victim would have more of an issue with anonimity, but a worshipper? may always be one of lifes great little mysteries :rofl:
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2004, 07:41:00 PM
you tell people to put their names on here and not to hide, yet you said all of that with a anonymous name! make up your mind please, this is getting all so very confusing  :???:
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2004, 09:24:00 PM
Yes i assumed it would confuse you. All i am saying is being that your so proud why on earth would you want to hide???? I mean a victim of abuse would obviously be scared but if nothing happened to you? and you love the Palmers so much then why hide? Hmmm maybe because you know if you say who you are someone that was there when you were would call you a "liar". I think you are the same one i have went through this with before, i then logged in and you still refused so i am sure it's a waste of my time. I was not asking you to post your name just making a "comment" just like my post said "one quick comment" i know some words might confuse you sweetie.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 07, 2004, 11:49:00 PM
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On 2004-10-06 15:48:00, Anonymous wrote:

"including miss virginia. what a whore"

did you know her?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2004, 12:17:00 AM
i do-do you?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2004, 01:01:00 AM
yes--were you in the program
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 08, 2004, 01:38:00 AM
palmers have 3 daughters and 1 son wheni was around---krista, ami, nikki and mike jr----is ami's husband nico the one in a band? as in worship band??

On 2004-12-06 18:50:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Stupid, stupid, stupid your ace pace education is certainly showing, silly girl!actually smartie pants they also have sons. One of them actually joined our survivors group, he propably needs it after growing up with that rapist for a father. Oh and they wont live long silly VCA will be closed all in due time just like the first one and just like GBTS for such great people their schools sure do get shut down for abuse alot. You see anyone with any common sense at all would think that somthing about that is strange , but since you have none it's no wonder.... Poor little child. :wstupid: "
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Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: qutelilleah on December 14, 2004, 11:47:00 PM
hey is this christina durfee... i went to gensis with ya its leah
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2004, 08:14:00 PM
They're all miserable brats trying to blame everyone else for their miserable lives.  Grow up all of you!
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2004, 08:17:00 PM
I think it's funny too, ha ha.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 26, 2004, 08:21:00 PM
All two of you...........
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 27, 2004, 05:26:00 PM
WHAT'S SO FLIPPIN FUNNY--ABUSING TEENS IN THE NAME OF GOD---THAT PROGRAM IS A MOCKERY TO THE LOVE OF GOD....IT IS REALLY SICK---EX-STAFF MEMBER
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 29, 2004, 12:10:00 PM
Question:  
If all these concerns are indeed valid, how many of the people abused have contacted the Florida State District Attorney's Office.  As many know, there is power in numbers.

Gather your're resources and document your complaints to the proper authorities.  If this does not work, make the phone calls again.
Good Luck
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2004, 12:27:00 PM
I've contacted an attorney, and I know others have as well.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Antigen on December 30, 2004, 02:56:00 PM
Ok, brace yourselves. The Florida State DA's office is very likely to do absolutely nothing about the Palmers so long as Brother Jeb is in office (and likely even after)

The Palmers and their affiliates would be an embarrasment to the commander in thief because of their dealings back when he was governor of Texas.

So document your contacts w/ the Florida authorities and be prepared to take the matter up w/ other, higher authorities (i.e. tort action naming the state as defendant, the media, others you can think of)

[1971 - 2001] the darkest chapter in Federal law enforcement history.
Committee on Government Reform

Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 30, 2004, 11:26:00 PM
hey my name is summer i was there for a year  if anyone knows me e-mail me at [email protected]
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2005, 11:52:00 PM
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On 2004-12-07 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"palmers have 3 daughters and 1 son wheni was around---krista, ami, nikki and mike jr----is ami's husband nico the one in a band? as in worship band??



Hey, how did you know I was in a band??
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 01, 2005, 11:54:00 PM
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On
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Nico on January 02, 2005, 12:00:00 AM
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On 2005-01-01 20:52:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-12-07 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:


"palmers have 3 daughters and 1 son wheni was around---krista, ami, nikki and mike jr----is ami's husband nico the one in a band? as in worship band??






Hey, how did you know I was in a band??  "



Oops, that was me, I forgot to log in.  But realy, how did you know?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
SO IS NICO INA BAND?? WORSHIP BAND?? AS FAR AS HOW DID  I KNOW ABOUT THE NAMES OF KIDS--I KNEW THEM  A LONG TIME AGO AND HAVE OFTENED WONDERED HOW THEY WERE ALL DOING
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Nico on January 02, 2005, 10:52:00 PM
Yes, I am in a band.  No, its not a worship band though.  I was just wondering how a girl from the school knew that.  Who are you?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2005, 11:38:00 PM
i don't think i'll completely disclose who a am at this point -- where are you and ami?? how's the kids? what kind of band are you in??
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Nico on January 03, 2005, 01:01:00 AM
We are living up here in Big Bear.  The kids are doing good.  Alyssa is 15, Corbin is 13, Brenna is 10 and Dominic is 7.

This is the second band Ive sang in.  In the first one, we did a lot of oldies, 50's to 70's, with some newer ones.  I split the singing with the lead guitarist.

My new one, we do more modern stuf. U2, Weezer, Pennywise, Janes Addiction, and we are also adding some clasic rock,  ACDC, Journey, Forigner, Scorpions.

Life is good.  peace.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
Nico, why are you on this site?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2005, 06:08:00 PM
he doesn't know?

I mean, he has every right to be here, just as much as we do.

Nico, could you explain your affiliation with VCA, some of us are a little confused.

are you FOR or AGAINST the VCA system?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 03, 2005, 09:13:00 PM
i live close to big bear, playing any local gigs?
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2005, 05:26:00 AM
hey nico
good to hear you guys are doing well in big bear---wow a band that's a far journey from where you've been--i guess we really are all on a journey that takes us to different places --- our paths crossed years ago when i heard the ages of your kids i was blown away with how time has flown by and how good things are now -- be blessed and maybe we can e-mail - i've got a yahoo acct
blessings
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2005, 05:04:00 PM
And now he's gone, why is it that people from VCA can't take confrontation and queries from former students?

They sure did like using confrontation on us.

Awwwwww, I guess maybe they don't like it when the tables are turned.  :wave:
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Post by: thankyou_for_the_venom on January 04, 2005, 08:54:00 PM
You're all insane  :wink:

Black markets will always be with us. But they will recede in importance when our public morality is consistent with our private one.


Eric Schlosser, Reefer Madness

Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Nico on January 04, 2005, 10:51:00 PM
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On 2005-01-04 14:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

"And now he's gone, why is it that people from VCA can't take confrontation and queries from former students?



They sure did like using confrontation on us.



Awwwwww, I guess maybe they don't like it when the tables are turned.  :wave:"



OR....Im real busy and didnt got on line in a couple days?  I just popped in real quick before I had to bail tonight, so, if I can, I'll try to get on later, after I get home.  

I do work 11 plus hours a day and have a family you know, lol.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 04, 2005, 11:48:00 PM
hey nico
let me know if you are interested in e-mailing -- i'm the one that knew you and ami so i have a yahoo account that i'd like to hear from you guys--as far as these other e-mails go -- i am a former staff on this site to make amends--i was told about this site from a former girl that i have been in contact with- i have no words of weapons to throw at anyone---only that i am accepting responsibility for my actions at vca and that i have learned from years of experience that what was done at vca was harmful and gave a completely wrong understanding of the love of God and for what it is worth-- i am truly sorry
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2005, 12:13:00 AM
Get over yourself! Freak
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Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2005, 12:17:00 AM
who are you commenting about??
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: thankyou_for_the_venom on January 05, 2005, 12:29:00 AM
Hmmm because someone gets on here and explains that they have a life and havent been on here for what a whole couple of days you say they have to get over themselves?
I swear you are all bunch of whinning saddos :wstupid:
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: rebeccaramirez on January 05, 2005, 02:04:00 AM
If you really care to make amends then why do you not want to say who you are, so that you can truly make amends?  I don't mean to sound sarastic or judge your intentions but, I'm just wondering? If you say that you are sorry and don't say who you are, then it doesn't mean anything really. Think about it.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Nico on January 05, 2005, 04:18:00 AM
As far as my affiliation with VCA, I married Mr P's daughter Amie.  We lived at the Florida school when it first started, worked there for a couple of years, then moved.  The time I was there I didnt witness any bad things happening.  I know that there are some girls that didnt like the school, and there are some that did.  I think there was even a former student that sent here daughter there.

Heck, I was sent to a boarding school, and I had a terrible time.  I just chose to use those things to make my life better.  I like that saying, "If it dont kill ya, it makes you stronger."  

As far as emailing me, sure go ahead, my email is in my profile.  Feel free.

And yes, when we have a gig, Ill let you know.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
...can't help being dumb, but tries too hard to be deep.   :wstupid:
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Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
not nice.
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on January 05, 2005, 04:12:00 PM
"The time I was there I didnt witness any bad things happening."

oh come on really now, how long were you there and you never saw a single wrong or bad thing happen? gimme a break dude.  :roll:  

"I know that there are some girls that didnt like the school, and there are some that did."

and the reward for understatment of the year goes tooo..... NICO! Most people consider the things that happen at VCA child abuse.  :eek:
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Post by: thankyou_for_the_venom on January 05, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
letstalkaboutpants  :wink:
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on January 05, 2005, 06:20:00 PM
yes, lets :grin:
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Post by: thankyou_for_the_venom on January 05, 2005, 06:23:00 PM
Ok where shall we start then? I'm sure you can provide me with plenty to talk about..I mean there is much more to talk about other than pants. How's life treating you? Have you gotten over your Victory memories or are you going to let them control your entire life and hang out on website?  :smile:
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2005, 07:17:00 PM
Have you guys ever wanted to beat the shit out of someone, but they're hiding behind a computer?  And every single thing they type is so fucking stupid and pseudo-creepy that you just want to poke your eye out?  And they say shit like that you spend your entire life on a website, but they are the ones here more than anyone!!  This is how I feel about thankyou_for_the_venom.  I think this user may drive me to start drinking earlier in the day.

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On 2005-01-05 15:23:00, thankyou_for_the_venom wrote:

"Ok where shall we start then? I'm sure you can provide me with plenty to talk about..I mean there is much more to talk about other than pants. How's life treating you? Have you gotten over your Victory memories or are you going to let them control your entire life and hang out on website?  :smile:
"
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Post by: Antigen on January 05, 2005, 09:14:00 PM
Psssst! Over here!
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=7&10 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=7679&forum=7&10)

Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... miamithem' (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/040303082X/circlofmiamithem') target='_new'>H. G. Wells

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Post by: thankyou_for_the_venom on January 05, 2005, 11:30:00 PM
Im glad I could be of help to you admitting you're a drunk  :smile: Bottoms up baby!! Don't choke and always remember, You're an idiot :razz:
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: letstalkaboutpants on January 06, 2005, 03:01:00 PM
"Have you guys ever wanted to beat the shit out of someone, but they're hiding behind a computer?"

yeah I have, she's just a pussy.

A palmer worshipping patsy, I just count her as one of his little minion.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 06, 2005, 03:26:00 PM
I don't drink as much as Jesus did, but yes, I like to have a little fun.  Not the VCA-brand of "fun" like watching movies that my 5-year-old wouldn't even be interested in.  I mean like regular fun where people have a few drinks and socialize, you know, "idle talk".  It's crazy for sure, God would totally not want people he created to have fun!
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Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2005, 03:49:00 PM
Hi Nico, I went to VCA from 93-95 and I think you visited a few times. I remember your wife,a really pretty lady. I used to wonder if the Palmers' daughters wore pants when they weren't around the school. I guess if you're in a ROCK BAND that pretty much answers my question. :smokin:

I'm curious why you're on this site? Just to reminisce? Do you think that your father-in-law is right and correct in operating a treatment center/school without any oversight by state authorities?

My experience with VCA was rather typical, I was sent from CA to FL on a pretense of a "business trip". Fortunately I escaped substantial physical abuse although I was hit over the head with a large heavy KJV Bible as a new girl. But I do believe the girls who have come forward with their allegations. Do you?

I can't sue, it's been too long. But I hate to think that girls are still being sent there, to be watched by the Cookstons (freaks who got pregnant and married when they were 12 and 13 years of age!), and I hate knowing that due to the wonderful system of one girl always ruining "it" for everyone, the girls who go there now have about 10 years worth of new rules after I left. I can only imagine how crazy it is NOW. The rules multiplied every Sunday night when I was there, I doubt that's changed.

My relationship with God and my parents suffered the most from the effects of VCA. It has taken me a good seven years to forgive my parents. After the Mexico school was closed down I finally rehashed everything with my mom. My dad had previously apologized, but my mom couldn't own up to the fact that the $$$ the school cost was wasted. We talked for hours and she finally admitted that there were things she witnessed on visits that seemed wrong.

So, at least one good thing has happened due to this site. I tend to bury my feelings and it really hurts to bring the pain and separation anxieties back to the surface but I know that I will be healthier for it.
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on January 07, 2005, 03:53:00 PM
I know this was for nico, but I like to put in my two cents whenever I can.

Your post was very well spoken whoever you are.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2005, 05:01:00 PM
Hi, I'm on the other yahoo site also.

I'm the chick with the bunnies, cats and chickens.

Oh, I am also posting my statement where ever I can, so here's more to read:

Victory christian academy

In jay, florida

 

 

SURVIVOR STATEMENT

BY K. of California (contact through [email protected])

 

Following please find my statement concerning Victory Christian Academy:


Everything I am submitting to HEAL is true to the best of my experience and knowledge. I give permission to HEAL to use this statement.


My parents sent me to Victory Christian Academy in Jay, FL in the summer of 1993. Although I was told it was a one-year program, there were many girls who were there much longer. We were threatened with being there until we turned 18 if we didn?t turn into good little christian girls. I was not allowed to have any privileges as a new girl in the school until I made a profession of faith ("got Saved") and I was kept on buddy (level) for over a month until I broke down and went along with it. My personal memories of the school are terrible. There were so many rules, all unwritten, that we just had to know and follow. As new girls we had 2 weeks to learn them before we were accountable to follow them. The program is set up in a way that makes most girls try to catch other girls breaking rules or exhibiting behavior that could result in a new rule being made. We had Rap sessions every Sunday night where girls would have a free-for-all with the staff leading the charge. New rules were being made all the time. I believe that Victory is probably much worse today than when I was there 10 years ago because the program rules are always growing. For instance, when I was a new girl, if you said "Oops" during Quiet Time you would get a demerit and have 24 hours to write 100 lines, something like "I will not talk during Quiet Time." When I left VCA in 1995 the rule had become 1000 lines for breaking Quiet Time.  We were not allowed access to news, music, radio, tv. We were not allowed to talk about anything but our parents, no discussion of favorite movies, singers, nothing. We were not allowed to talk about the past. There were no counselors or therapists, only the regular (unqualified) staff. We couldn't even sing, for instance an Elvis song or anything other than the hymns in our hymnbook and a few other songs by Christian artists.  There are too many other instances to record for the sake of brevity.

 

After reading Warning Signs of a Potentially Abusive Behavioral Treatment Center as provided by ISAC, I will list what I observed first-hand at VCA.


1. Verbal and/or written communication between the client and family members is prohibited, restricted or monitored. All my mail was read, incoming and outgoing. Only mail from parents is allowed. Letters I sent home at the beginning had had my complaints blacked out before VCA mailed them.


3. The program requests/demands legal custody of juvenile clients. Lock-down facility. No exceptions.


4. The program houses clients in foster homes or host homes instead of allowing them to reside with their parents. Dorms, sometimes supervised by staff, but usually just older clients.


5. The client or parents are forbidden from discussing the daily happenings at the facility. Often this policy is called "confidentiality." We were told it was idle talk and we were punished by writing lines if we were caught saying anything.


6. The client is denied access to a telephone. No access at all for first three months. After 3 months, phone calls are once per month for 30 minutes maximum and parents are required to call in. I had no way to make a telephone call.


8. The program uses confrontational therapy.

 
9. The staff includes former clients of the program.


10. Clients are restrained or otherwise physically prevented from leaving the facility.


12. Parents are not allowed to stay with their child during the entire intake/entry process.


13. The program inflicts physical punishments on clients such as exercising, running, food restrictions, and cleaning.


14. Reading materials are prohibited or restricted. I was only allowed the King James Bible for much of the time.


15. The facility does not have a clearly visible sign outside the building stating the name of the program

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17. The program is run and staffed by persons who lack adequate experience or credentials.


19. A medical doctor (MD) is not present at any time during normal operating hours.


20. Clients of the program conduct, participate in and supervise the intake/entry process.


22. Clients are observed on any level of the program, while bathing, dressing or using the toilet.


23. The purpose of the program is to treat drug abuse, but the program does not conduct a drug screen prior to entry.


24. The program requires clients to be strip-searched.


25. The program does not allow clients to follow their religion of choice. The only form of religion allowed is Victory?s unaffiliated Southern Baptist-based church. They also forced vegetarians to eat meat. Even girls whose parents were Seventh-Day Adventist and had never eaten meat.


26. Staff members must approve friends, siblings, family visits, or employment. No contact whatsoever  with friends. No employment is allowed. Family visits are only allowed once every three months, girls are not allowed off-campus on a visit unless they?ve been there for at least six months, they are not supposed to return home for visits until they?ve been at VCA for at least one year.


27. Juvenile clients are not afforded an education in accordance with state requirements.  VCA was not accredited by any institution or government while I was there. Our curriculum was workbook/quiz based with no lab time or supplemental materials.


30. Clients escort/supervise other clients.


32. Clients have to "earn" the right to speak during group sessions

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33. Clients are denied outside activities on any level/phase.


34. Staff must approve the withdrawal of clients from treatment.


35. The program expects total and unquestioned support of parents.


36. Clients on any phase/level are forbidden to speak to other clients. We are also forbidden to keep in contact with one another after we leave the program. When a girl leaves, staff members and senior clients go through her belongings to check for addresses, phone numbers, etc. before she can leave.



While I was at Victory, a new girl from Texas who was almost 18 had concealed a lighter from the girls who checked her in. Less than two weeks later she decided to torch a closet full of dresses in dorm 3. Fortunately for us, this was around 10:30 AM when we were all outside doing PE exercises so no one was hurt. We thought the smoke alarms were a fire drill at first. I consider myself lucky because I had no way to be able to call 911 & if the fire had happened in the middle of the night, who knows? The fire raged and burned so hot that almost everything was destroyed in Dorm 3, and Dorms 1 & 2 had extensive smoke and water damage that took months to repair. We slept on the floor in the Multi purpose room that also served as our church, our chapel, our school, and our cafeteria. Brother Palmer continued to take in new girls during this time. We were smashed together like sardines for months, meanwhile our parents were sending money for our treatment that just went towards the building of another larger-capacity dorm that had already been in construction before the fire broke out. This was actually the first of two fires at the school while I was there. The circumstances for the second fire were never fully explained.


Victory Christian Academy is not a healthy place for teen girls to be in. If your daughter or someone you know is in Victory Christian Academy, please seriously consider taking them out and looking into a REAL treatment facility. You know, the kind with doctors and trained therapists who can help girls understand why their behavior needs to be modified and give them the necessary support to do so.


I have listed 27 out of 36 Warning Signs that I know from my own personal experience to be true. It is very possible that other survivors have witnessed other Warning Signs and I encourage them to spread the word about the potential for abuse at Victory Christian Academy.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2005, 05:08:00 PM
It makes me so sad to read this.  It's almost a carbon copy of what some of us went through 20 and even 30 years back.  Times have got to change.  This is insane.
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on January 07, 2005, 05:13:00 PM
hey k,

very well spoken, kudos :smile:
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Post by: rebeccaramirez on January 07, 2005, 08:23:00 PM
Hi K!! :wave:

Good job!
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Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2005, 12:33:00 AM
The end is coming for palmer.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2005, 03:55:00 AM
As you may know, RNN NEWS is producing a series of newscasts about VCA and former students.  I'll be inviting the Palmers and others to our Pensacola studios to talk about VCA.  I'll also be calling them to request a tour of the school that I may video for inclusion in the series.

    We are also including recorded statements of former students and would be interested in hearing from you about your VCA experiences.  

    Most importantly I need more photos of VCA and/or any video that you may have and be willing to share.  Any visuals sent to this e-mail address (http://www.realitynews.net (http://www.realitynews.net).

Regards,

David Craig
RNN NEWS
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Post by: Nico on March 01, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
Sorry I havent replied in so long.  Lets just say I have been very busy these last few months.

Someone asked why I even came here and I wanted to answer that.

When Amie and I worked there, we werent realy much older than the girls.  Niether of us were realy in an authority position, I worked outside with the girls somtimes, and Amie was just kinda thier friend.  We both just tried to have fun with the girls and be their friends.  

I have said this before and gotten teased, but I never saw anything bad happen.  Sure I saw some staff members be real rude to some of the girls, and I always felt bad, but there was not much I cold do about it (Ive always told Mr P that he should have had a school for wayword staff members instead)

So, when I herd about this site, I was kinda bummed.  I just came here, read a few things, and never responded.  I dont know if there are any girls here from when Amie and I were at the school.  Someone mentioned me in a thread so I figured I'd respond.  Thats prity much it.

I was sent to a Military school when I was in the 8th grade, and was treated horribly by staff and students, so I can empithize with some of your feelings.

I realy hope that whatever happened there, you girls can find peace.  Gods not the bad guy, but people are.

Talk to you later-Nico
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on March 01, 2005, 03:04:00 PM
Thank you Nico for your insightful and honest answer.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2005, 06:46:00 PM
Nico,

I was there in FL when you and Amie would come to the school sometimes.  I remember "King Geeko."  Amie was always really nice and made good food.  You were always nice too.

I was also there when Rebecca Ramirez was raped by Palmer.  I remember all his love sermons directed at her, and I remember him calling her into his office all the time and leaving the lights out.

So, while I think you and your wife and some other staff were good people, I know what happened while I was there.  I can certainly understand someone wanting to be loyal to their family, but what happened happened, and Palmer has no business being in charge of teenage girls.

Peace about the past comes through acting to create change for the future.  It doesn't come through blind acceptance about the way things are.
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on March 02, 2005, 01:03:00 AM
also VERY well spoken anon

Anon is right, family or not, Palmer should not be running an all girls school.

There needs to be some changes made so that lives aren't continuing to be ruined.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2005, 03:08:00 PM
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On 2005-03-01 22:03:00, letstalkaboutpants wrote:

"
Anon is right, family or not, Palmer should not be running an all girls school.



There needs to be some changes made so that lives aren't continuing to be ruined.



"


He is not anymore.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 07, 2005, 07:47:00 PM
Yeah, for now.  He's taken breaks before, like after he raped Rebecca and drove to CA to find her and offer her parents $25K for her hand in marriage.  He incorporated under a new name in December, so he's likely planning to change the school's name to escape the bad publicity he's brought on himself.

Also, the people running the school now are freaks who were married at age 12, and who are such great parents that they disowned their own child for being gay - their child who was sent to VCA to be cured of being gay.  I guess not only do VCA's methods not work, but the people running it are shitty and horrible parents themselves.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2005, 05:28:00 PM
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<  I guess not only do VCA's methods not work, but the people running it are shitty and horrible parents themselves."


Thems fighten' words, lol.

Thats life though.  People do you wrong, no matter were you go, wether it is to church, or a resturant, public school, private school, day care, walking down the street.  at some point in time you have to lern to deal with it and stop your complaining.  Living in the past only keeps you there.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2005, 06:31:00 PM
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Thats life though.  People do you wrong, no matter were you go, wether it is to church, or a resturant, public school, private school, day care, walking down the street.  at some point in time you have to lern to deal with it and stop your complaining.  Living in the past only keeps you there.


I am so fucking tired of people ASSUMING that I and others who want these places shut down are living in the PAST.  This is not something that occurred only in the past.  It is occurring right now.  If everyone who was ever done wrong in life just sucked it up and did nothing to change the situation for OTHERS, we would still have conditions like slavery, women not being allowed to vote, no minimum wage, and we'd all be members of the fucking Anglican Church.

"Stop living in the past."  It's such a fucking cliche on these fora.  Like someone just pulled a string and all you hear is, "Stop living in the past.  Stop living in the past."

If you people think this is such a waste of time, why don't you just get the fuck out of here!?  Or at least think of something that hasn't been said by every wishy-washy "well-I-think-the-schools-are-bad-but-don't-want-to-get-off-my-lazy-ass-and-help" idiot that has time to kill even reading this.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2005, 06:38:00 PM
That does not make it okay.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2005, 05:32:00 PM
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On 2005-03-08 15:38:00, Anonymous wrote:

"That does not make it okay."


What doesn't make what okay?
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Post by: Anonymous on March 09, 2005, 06:55:00 PM
Thats life though. People do you wrong, no matter were you go, wether it is to church, or a resturant, public school, private school, day care, walking down the street. at some point in time you have to lern to deal with it and stop your complaining. Living in the past only keeps you there.

That does not make it okay.
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on March 10, 2005, 01:00:00 PM
we are not living in the past.

we are doing something NOW to change the FUTURE.
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Post by: Antigen on March 10, 2005, 01:15:00 PM
Well, in this life, you have to pick your battles. Just ignore anyone who presumes to pick them for you. Seems a good many girls who spent time at these schools find this to be a worthy one.

[Religion is] the daughter of hope and fear, explaining to ignorance the nature of the unknowable.
--Ambrose Bierce

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Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 05:54:00 PM
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On 2005-03-09 15:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Thats life though. People do you wrong, no matter were you go, wether it is to church, or a resturant, public school, private school, day care, walking down the street. at some point in time you have to lern to deal with it and stop your complaining. Living in the past only keeps you there.



That does not make it okay."


What is it about arguing with stupid people that is so damned frustrating?  Oh right, it's that they just keep repeating the same thing over and over again and don't listen to what people are saying.  I said it before: You and people like you on these fora have become a cliche, like the Energizer Bunny - you keep going and going and going.  

I'd be interested to know what kind of life you are living in order to feel entitled to speak so presumptuously.  You seem to think that you have been endowed with some sort of special lesson about life that the rest of us need to be clued in on.  You must spend hours each day pondering the ways of the world in order to be so wise.
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Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 08:39:00 PM
I couldn't think of a more productive way to spend my time.

We are trying to change the system so that no one else will have to go through what we went through. It wasn't the usual shit that you deal with in a normal high school. We were called sluts, whores, druggies, made to feel ashamed every day of our lives, made to feel that we would never be good enough for anything except maybe down the road some angel of a man would overlook our many faults (what a saint!) and we would live happily ever after under our godly husband's thumb.

We were robbed of our teenage years, perhaps the most formative years of all, and brainwashed and forced to conform to an outdated archaic pre-1950's mode of thought, speech and dress. This is what we are bitching about. And we aren't just bitching, we are DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

LOOK OUT BROTHER PALMER! A hurricane is headed your way!
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Post by: Anonymous on March 10, 2005, 08:49:00 PM
"Thats life though. People do you wrong, no matter were you go, wether it is to church, or a resturant, public school, private school, day care, walking down the street. at some point in time you have to lern to deal with it and stop your complaining. Living in the past only keeps you there. "

I was responding to the above whiny unsupportive ignaorant poster who can't spell, to clarify.

This person sounds suspiciously like SAW. Just curious if I guessed correctly. She couldn't spell worth shit back then.

My future's bright and shiny, no thanks to Victory!
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Post by: rebeccaramirez on March 15, 2005, 03:34:00 PM
I would like everyone to know there is a new VCA/GBS survivor group, the goal of this group is to take action towards exposing and closing Victory Christian Academy. If you think you would be interested in joining our efforts please apply at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vca_survivors/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vca_survivors/).
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Post by: alternativa on March 25, 2005, 11:48:00 PM
I thank you all for posting on this forum, and what you do is very important. You certainly saved my son from going to some insane program. I was going to send him to a wilderness program, thinking it was like...I don't know...communing with nature, and I researched and came across newspaper articles and this site and was apalled at the criminality and fraud related to these programs and schools.

But here's the thing: the people who advocate for these programs and schools or the people who respond to the "negative" posts do more harm than the people trying to do harm. They are either viscious and nasty or sound like programmed robots. Either way--it's effective.

If you are a parent who sends their kids away to one of these facilities after reading this forum or if you have a child at one of these facilities, and you don't bring him/her home--you deserve to be in the care of the Department of Corrections.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2005, 07:54:00 PM
wE WENT TO vICTORY IN fl IN 1997 ANYONE LOGGED ON FROM THEN/
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Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2005, 03:04:00 AM
HEY I WAS KIDNAPPED IN 1997.& SENT TO V.C.A
THIS IS TATERTOT DO U KNOW ME?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2005, 09:41:00 AM
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On 2005-04-07 00:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

THIS IS TATERTOT


Ron White?? :grin:
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Post by: equestrienne on April 07, 2005, 11:57:00 AM
i almost can't believe what i am reading about this place. forcing vegetarians to eat meat? only allowing baptist religious views to be expressed? shoving soap down a girl's throat? rape?
reading posts on fornits is like pressing on my incoming wisdom tooth - it is painful and awful, but i cannot seem to stop doing it.
how can these disgusting hypocrites look at themselves every day? they are the opposite of "christian." i am sure that these people are too ignorant to have read dante, but they are the betrayers of trust who would be in the ninth circle of hell in his inferno. i can't even express how sickened i am and how sorry i feel for anyone that was subjected to such treatment.
i know that many other programs are equally horrible and i express my sympathies to victims of these programs as well.
i am not sure what i can do about all of this, but   i have a good friend who is going for his MSW and doc. of psych. at FSU. i was talking to him about TBSs and he was appalled at what i was telling him but had never heard of any of the programs mentioned here. i am wondering if we could compile information on abusive florida programs and hopefully raise awareness about these places in the therapeutic community - hopefully mental health pros can warn parents against sending their children to such places. also, i think that if mental health pros publicly condemned such places and made some noise, their opinions would be given more weight than those of laypersons. i am not really sure what else to do, so if anyone else has any ideas, please let me know via PM (also let me know if you want to help gather and distribute such info).

just a thought on a rainy day.
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Post by: Dr Fucktard on April 07, 2005, 03:25:00 PM
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i almost can't believe what i am reading about this place. forcing vegetarians to eat meat? only allowing baptist religious views to be expressed? shoving soap down a girl's throat? rape?

Shit happens, and the end justifies the means!! Druggies need to eat meat, btw. They lack protein from abusing their bodies with chemicals day in, day out. If someone is acting out in group (shouting profanity, etc.) why in the hell shouldn't that person have soap shoved down their throat?? Come on!
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Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2005, 03:57:00 PM
thats all good but why should someone be raped?
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Post by: Dr Fucktard on April 07, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
Good question. I should have commented on this, so thank you for addressing that. I think that rape is a terrible thing to happen to anyone; even to druggie low-life scum. However occurrances such as this that take place behind the doors of the program should be kept quiet! It is UP TO ALL OF US to uphold and abide by CONFIDENTIALITY concerning such incidents. This is imperative so that the program can continue without the law getting involved. That would be the last thing we need!
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Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2005, 04:35:00 PM
Equestrienne, email me personally and I will give you more information about these programs and what people are doing to help shut them down.

[email protected]

Thanks for caring.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 07, 2005, 07:37:00 PM
DO I KNOW YOU WHITE?????   :em:
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 01:12:00 AM
i'm a v.c.a girl
hit me up [email protected] :silly:
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 01:33:00 AM
ITS CALLED VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADMY IN JAY FLA..
ITS A SCHOOL FILLED WITH FEMALES AND DEMARITS!


   :nworthy:  BUT THEY DID TEACH ME TO READ MY            BIBLE SO IM THANKFUL FOR THAT!
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 01:37:00 AM
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On 2005-04-01 16:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"wE WENT TO vICTORY IN fl IN 1997 ANYONE LOGGED ON FROM THEN/"




 HEY I WAS IN THERE...1997
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
Iam 33 and was at VAC when i was 14, my name is Tara Downing, I have the same nightmares! I was there 12-14-1985 to 12-14-1986 then again in March 1987 only for 4 mo.
 Please reply.  I hope we are talking about the same person and place. Iam talking about Victory Christain Academy , It was then in Ramona ,CA.
 Run by BRo. Palmer and his wife Patty, was Miss Judy there when you were?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 08, 2005, 09:10:00 PM
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On 2005-04-08 16:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Iam 33 and was at VAC when i was 14, my name is Tara Downing, I have the same nightmares! I was there 12-14-1985 to 12-14-1986 then again in March 1987 only for 4 mo.

 Please reply.  I hope we are talking about the same person and place. Iam talking about Victory Christain Academy , It was then in Ramona ,CA.

 Run by BRo. Palmer and his wife Patty, was Miss Judy there when you were?"


I know people who were there when you were.  Please apply to our survivors group:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vca_survivors/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vca_survivors/)
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Post by: sweetaprilbrowne93 on July 27, 2005, 10:45:00 AM
hey julie its me April As know sweet april browne i think i buddied you well im me if you can if you dont mind im gonna put you on my buddy list ok man its weir whats going on i dont know what to say
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Post by: sweetaprilbrowne93 on July 27, 2005, 11:14:00 AM
Hey if this is the summer i know that was on the yaed crew with me i think i know you whqat year were you there i was there from 1993 1997 so im me back if you want
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Post by: Anonymous on August 02, 2005, 05:58:00 PM
who is this?
this is ashley
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Post by: Anonymous on August 03, 2005, 02:39:00 PM
Hey I just got a brand shinny new picture of the camorans in flordia. 6000.00  a year to join.
yealp they still run it. New begainnings now. the applacation is as thick as a book.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 05, 2005, 02:07:00 PM
how did you get it?
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Post by: Barbara on August 06, 2005, 12:04:00 PM
I am also 33 and was at Victory when you were. I still struggle with it. It must be normal for going through something like that. I was in Bethesda in Mississippi before Victory. I haven't been able to talk to anyone about this. The words don't come out. Last night my husband read all that has happened to me on the internet. He knew it was bad but now it is so nice to have it explained to him. No wonder I'm a little looney at times..sheesh!
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Post by: mitzy on August 06, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
i was in in the 80's and when i first became aquainted with the roloff girls again, i had nightmares for about the first week, this is normal, then i got so excited because i realized that we all found each other despite of the workers trying to keep us apart, they wouldnt let any phone numbers or addresses out when we left but after 20 years we found each other, HA-HA!!
they didnt win that one.
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Post by: The Liger on August 09, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vcasurvivors/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vcasurvivors/)

Quote
On 2005-08-06 09:04:00, Barbara wrote:

"I am also 33 and was at Victory when you were. I still struggle with it. It must be normal for going through something like that. I was in Bethesda in Mississippi before Victory. I haven't been able to talk to anyone about this. The words don't come out. Last night my husband read all that has happened to me on the internet. He knew it was bad but now it is so nice to have it explained to him. No wonder I'm a little looney at times..sheesh!  "
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Post by: Anonymous on August 09, 2005, 07:14:00 PM
I know alot of this school, I just got out almost a year ago. When I came home I had so many nightmares. If anyone wants to talk about the school leave a message.
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Post by: letstalkaboutpants on August 10, 2005, 12:57:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-08-09 16:14:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I know alot of this school, I just got out almost a year ago. When I came home I had so many nightmares. If anyone wants to talk about the school leave a message."


go here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/)

reconnect with old friends from genesis by the sea and victory christian academy.
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Post by: Barbara on August 10, 2005, 11:33:00 AM
I got out 18 years ago. I had nightmares for 9 years until my daughter was born. I think then I had all my focus on her (still do) so it helped. They are gone now but I still have these almost 2 year gap in my life that I can't explain to anyone. I wish you all the best. Success is always the best revenge.
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Post by: Anonymous on August 10, 2005, 12:30:00 PM
was rebekah in texas or missouri when you were in?
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Post by: Anonymous on August 10, 2005, 09:47:00 PM
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On 2005-08-05 11:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"how did you get it?"
called them and asked for a enrollment form
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Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2005, 09:49:00 PM
i attended genesis by the sea from january 2004-april 2004 anyone that attended there feel free to contact me at [email protected]
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Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2005, 09:51:00 PM
lol isnt it funny that they forgot about the internet in trying to keep us away from each other...they must think we'll me manipulative again...i love how that was their favorite word to describe us...manipulative...as if they werent...
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Post by: Anonymous on August 14, 2005, 10:01:00 PM
i went there to...you were sent back when i was there...
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Post by: Dear Gabby on August 15, 2005, 06:09:00 PM
New Group If anyone wants to Chat.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/roloffalumni/)
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Dear Gabby on August 16, 2005, 01:06:00 PM
Hey anybody in here seen Blues Hoe Hoe? :eek:
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Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2005, 04:24:00 PM
that's funny she is a stupid cunt...oh i hated her. i was there for 3 fucking years
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Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2005, 04:25:00 PM
yes i was...and so was my sister
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Post by: Anonymous on September 08, 2005, 06:45:00 PM
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On 2005-08-16 10:06:00, Bluemoon2157 wrote:

"Hey anybody in here seen Blues Hoe Hoe? :eek: "


I have a feeling we're not talking about VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY anymore... you know, the name of this thread IS Victory Christian Academy.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2005, 10:31:00 PM
My name is Alissa Bogutzski. Victory has been haunting my dreams since the mid 90's. I dream of my mom taking me away from my new baby and sending me back. Fucked. Thrilled to find so much stuff on those shit heads in the news as of late.
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Post by: Anonymous on September 12, 2005, 05:14:00 PM
I went to this school
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Post by: Anonymous on September 13, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
Hey Alissa its Kristine Donovan. Do you remember me? How have you been? I still have nightmares too
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Post by: fleurdelight32 on September 29, 2005, 09:12:00 AM
I think the girl youre looking for is Heather Nunez...there was a girl by that name transferred to VCA from Genesis. She left in like Jan. or Feb. of 05 and went to NY...thats all I ever heard we werent allowed to talk about her since she didnt stay til her year.
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Post by: fleurdelight32 on September 29, 2005, 09:13:00 AM
I was at VCA from Nov. 04 to April 05 I knew Stephanie and Heather. When I left Stephanie was still there but Heather had left and gone to NY.
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Post by: KDonovan on September 29, 2005, 11:19:00 AM
Heather Nunez? I wonder if there were 2? I brought Heather in her first time at VCA in Florida. She was still there in 05? How horrible
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Post by: friendnjesus18 on September 30, 2005, 03:30:00 AM
Hey who are you I probably know you e-mail me [email protected] I knew stephanie and heather  :smile: [ This Message was edited by: friendnjesus18 on 2005-09-30 00:43 ]
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Post by: friendnjesus18 on September 30, 2005, 03:32:00 AM
hey when did u go? email me [email protected] Bridgette is my name
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Post by: friendnjesus18 on September 30, 2005, 03:35:00 AM
Hey if you remember me email me [email protected] my name is Bridgette
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Post by: friendnjesus18 on September 30, 2005, 03:49:00 AM
Hey ne one know me my name is Bridgette i went july 02- March 05 talk to me!  :wave:
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Post by: friendnjesus18 on September 30, 2005, 03:50:00 AM
Hey talk to me
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Post by: KDonovan on September 30, 2005, 11:08:00 AM
I went from October 96- July 99 when I graduated
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Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 12:32:00 PM
Have any of you read Alexia Parks book An American Gulag which details her quest to rescue her neice from an abusive faith-based program in the South?  Apparently there was a murder at the facility which Ms. Parks writes about. I think the program her neice went to had ties to VCA but I could be wrong. (It's been awhile).

http://www.teenliberty.org (http://www.teenliberty.org)
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Post by: mitzy on September 30, 2005, 02:10:00 PM
wouldnt doubt it at all, these homes are real sneaks
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Post by: KDonovan on September 30, 2005, 02:13:00 PM
I have read the book and I was good friends with the girl that the book was about. Her name was Katie in the book, not her real name of course, but the book was awesome. There was no murder that i know about at Victory, there was an "accidental" death when the school was in california and the owner of the school, brother palmer raped a girl there. Anyways, getting off track here. Did you read the book?
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Post by: Anonymous on September 30, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
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On 2005-09-30 11:13:00, KDonovan wrote:

"I have read the book and I was good friends with the girl that the book was about. Her name was Katie in the book, not her real name of course, but the book was awesome. There was no murder that i know about at Victory, there was an "accidental" death when the school was in california and the owner of the school, brother palmer raped a girl there. Anyways, getting off track here. Did you read the book?"


Wow!  So whatever happened with "Katie"? I thought Alexia wrote about a murder and how she was chased off the property.  Guess I will have to re-read the book since it has been so long.

Thanks!  I must admit, I am no fan of these kinds of schools, homes and programs as I believe the potential for abuse of "power" is very high and there needs to be safeguards in place to protect teens from abusive conditions and treatment.
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Post by: jocelyn on October 07, 2005, 05:43:00 PM
hey YOU! I didnt know you went back? you bad girl! Feel free to email me anytime!
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Post by: caligirl on October 11, 2005, 01:57:00 PM
so, when were you all there? What did you think of your experience? I was there too.
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Post by: KDonovan on October 12, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
I was there from October 96-August 97, and then back again December 97- June 99 when I graduated. I guess I am a glutton for punishment Who are you? when were you there?

Hi Jocelyn...I see you joined the group
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Post by: Gulag on October 16, 2005, 03:10:00 PM
I've been reading all this stuff and it upset's me to see and hear everything. I went to VCA for three year's back in the 90's.... I don't really remember it... Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing... :smile:
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Post by: Anonymous on October 17, 2005, 06:22:00 PM
I was there in 2001 for a couple of years. Anyone from that era around?
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Post by: Anonymous on November 06, 2005, 01:46:00 PM
Hi,

Is this VCA (now renamed as Lighthouse) really so horrible? I have a close relative there, and I am really terrrified at the thought that someone might be mistreating her.

Jo
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Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2005, 03:43:00 PM
I haven't read everything on here but I did go to Victory Christian Academy. When I came home I had alot of nightmares that seemed to never cease. I am a born again Christian and very much trying to live my life for God. This school is very brain washing, and yes they call themselves Christians (note they are human and I forgive them) but they very much bend the truth of God. The used alot of twisting the Bible to justify their rules. I saw alot of things there that just shouldn't have happened, I wish I could make it all go away. But I do understand thats where God wanted me to be at that time and I thank Him for that cause I did learn alot, including relizing that not everything a human being tells you is true. I went through alot of emotional depression because of the things that literally tore my down. But you're right the truth will come through and one day it will come through on that school. I have done alot of research since I've been home about that school, alot in which lawyers have tried to press charges on that school. I advise you to do some real thorough research. I'm glad to have this website so that the girls who had a hard time there can express how they feel and talk to other girls who went through the same thing, to help get through all the damage that has been sustained.
God Bless all of you, and don't let that school turn you away from God, when I came home and He started showing me the truth I just clung closer to Him, I pray the same for all of you.

Grace and peace,
Christine Gagne
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Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2005, 03:44:00 PM
Has anyone gone to VCA in this time frame may23-nov23, this is when I was there.
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Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2005, 03:59:00 PM
I knew Christina pappas when I was there, when I left she was still there.


Christine Gagne
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Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2005, 04:01:00 PM
I forgot to mention that was in the year 2004
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Post by: Anonymous on November 12, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
I went to VCA when heather nunnez was there
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Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 10:53:00 PM
I don't know who I'm typin to,   :question:    but I'm gonna type anywayz, how u ppl dewin. :silly:  holla.  :wave:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 13, 2005, 11:00:00 PM
hey, what's goin on between you and that girl you call chubby?  :question:. I know it's none of my business, but you seem like you don't like her... :wave:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 03:08:00 AM
please, tell me if you were helped when you were there...  I understand it is now called Lighthouse Christian Academy in Jay Flordia.  Please answer - as soon as you can ...  this place was recommended to us and our granddaughter was sent there.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 03:24:00 AM
Iam considering sending my daughter to this place. Is it worth it? :eek:
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Post by: The Liger on December 17, 2005, 05:19:00 PM
It's not only a waste of money, but it's like paying to emotionally scar your child forever.  Every single girl I have talked to since leaving got into stuff ten times worse when they came out than when they went in.  

Also, there is no state regulation, so there is no one to make sure your child is not being abused.  They read all the letters coming in and going out, so your daughter will not be able to tell you if anything bad is going on.  And believe me, stuff goes on there.  When you have a bunch of adult males whose calling in life is to minister to teenaged girls, be very wary.  The calling came after their wives got old and unattractive.

Check out isaccorp.org for more information.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 05:33:00 PM
Would you send your child to hell? :evil:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 06:07:00 PM
Were you in Jay FL.?   I am very concerned.  My granddaughter was sent there.  Then we accidentally came across the forum you posted on.  My gd is at a place where Rev. R. Cookston is the principal.  Was he your principal?

Please let me know if this is the same place as VCA that all the bad things are posted about?  Some of the posts indicate they are one and the same.

any information you can send will be helpful.  My gd is only 14.

thank you
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Post by: The Liger on December 17, 2005, 06:42:00 PM
They are one and the same.  The Cookstons sent their daughter there when I attended the school.  They sent her there because she is gay.  The program didn't work on her.  She's still gay, and her parents have disowned her.  (Which should show how little they care about their own flesh and blood.)  But I hear that they still tell people she is a success story.  She was a staff member for a while, but she had to leave after carrying on several inappropriate relationships with the girls under her care.  I was one of them.  I was humiliated into not telling my parents what had happened.  They told me that my parents would be disgusted and think that I was gay.  After what happened to me, they actually invited her back when I went home.  As for the Cookstons, they are freaks who got married at age 12.  Their daughter, the one who is gay, told me that her uncle raped her repeatedly when she was younger and her parents wouldn't do anything about it.  Those are the people that are in charge of your granddaughter.  If they wouldn't even help their own daughter when she was raped, do you think they'll care about your granddaughter?  

I was also there when Michael Palmer raped my friend Rebecca.  He has been taken off the official VCA staff member and ownership list, but don't be fooled.  He and his wife operate under the name Good Samaritans of Northwest Florida.  They supposedly offer "counseling services" to religious schools.  This is a way for them to work at VCA (Lighthouse) without being listed as working there.  There was a lot of publicity surrounding Rebecca's rape and many parents pulled their daughters out of the school.  Now they have changed their name (to Lighthouse) and don't list Palmer as the owner.  

Your granddaughter will start writing letters home saying that she is doing well, loves Jesus, etc., etc.  This is because if you write anything bad about the school, they will punish you and make you write it over.  Trust me, she is not fine.  She is trying to survive.
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Post by: The Liger on December 17, 2005, 06:47:00 PM
P.S.

I have an online support group for former students of VCA and the affiliated schools.  I have asked some of the girls to post here for your information.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 06:48:00 PM
Yes.   VCA is known as lighthouse Christian now. It is the same place Bro Cookston is at.  I was a student there twice around 97.  I was a very rebellious teen and needed help, but not the stuff they shell out.
I am now 23 and married with children. VCA has left me with nightmares about being sent back and a very confused relationship with God.   I urge you to help your gd.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 07:18:00 PM
Get her out! I was put there at 14, I mean I dont know what she did or how they got her in and by all means it could maybe some how help a girl out in some demented kind of what doesnt kill us makes us stronger kind of way but really, GET HER OUT and do it fast. I dont think that its bad to learn religion or to have rules and even a little strict but what you leave with is alot more baggage and issues then what you go in with. I was there a year, 92 - 93. I'm an adult now and have let go of many things but still have never understood or agreed with the choice of putting me there. I was told I would understand why they did it when I grew up. VCA resulted (in what I believe) me having no selfesteem, no social skills, no ability to trust, not to mention all opportunities I lost due to those issues. Please, help your granddaughter, please do whatever you can but dont let her sit and slowly loose herself and turn into nothing. It takes years to get some of it back, some never comes back. I speak only for me but for me I still fight with the feelings of worthlessness, abandonment, depression and feeling utterly stupid.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 07:33:00 PM
Feeling totally stupid. That's not just you. Paces. What the heck. They were about learning religon and nothing else. When I got home and into my senior yr of highschool I was completely lost. I didn't know anything and felt so far behind I ended up getting a GED.  
So now I feel nothing about God and I have diploma.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 07:34:00 PM
Um...no diploma. See what I mean. Ha
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Post by: Anonymous on December 17, 2005, 10:48:00 PM
Nope, me either!!!!
I wonder how many of us rushed off and had a baby or got married too? I mean, it worked for me but I know it doesnt for everyone to rush and do it all so young.
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Post by: shadey13 on December 18, 2005, 04:08:00 PM
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On 2005-12-17 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Were you in Jay FL.?   I am very concerned.  My granddaughter was sent there.  Then we accidentally came across the forum you posted on.  My gd is at a place where Rev. R. Cookston is the principal.  Was he your principal?



Please let me know if this is the same place as VCA that all the bad things are posted about?  Some of the posts indicate they are one and the same.



any information you can send will be helpful.  My gd is only 14.



thank you "
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Post by: shadey13 on December 18, 2005, 04:20:00 PM
I was in Victory. Its the same thing. They changed
the name because there were a lot of bad things
going on about the school dealing with sexual assault, abuse things like that. So to protect their reputation, they changed it. The Cookstons were not there when i was there but they work there now- they came from the school in Baja that was shut down due to abuse and neglect. I was there for 3 years and after 5 years, still have a lot of problems due to it. I had nightmares up until recently frequently. I hope you talk to her mom and she really considers having her daughter staying there. Hope this helps. I came out very bitter and angry. Since my"release" i have been arrested for attempted murder, hit poeple i care about, and am in general really messed up. I was pretty calm before Victory (what the school was called when i was there).
On 2005-12-18 13:08:00, shadey13 wrote:

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Quote

On 2005-12-17 15:07:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Were you in Jay FL.?   I am very concerned.  My granddaughter was sent there.  Then we accidentally came across the forum you posted on.  My gd is at a place where Rev. R. Cookston is the principal.  Was he your principal?





Please let me know if this is the same place as VCA that all the bad things are posted about?  Some of the posts indicate they are one and the same.





any information you can send will be helpful.  My gd is only 14.





thank you "

"
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Post by: The Liger on December 18, 2005, 10:32:00 PM
I wanted to add that children should never be placed at facilities that deny reasonable contact between parents and their children.  They should not be placed in facilities in states that do not require licensing, like Florida, Missouri, or Utah.  They should not be placed in foreign facilities.  They should not be placed where the facility owners claim that they can "cure" a child's psychological or behavioral problems.

I just wanted to say that because when parents are looking for a place to put their children, they shouldn't JUST be shocked about abuse allegations.  They should also be shocked when there are warning signs like the ones I just talked about.

If your child is in a place and you can't be sure they are okay, THAT is the problem.  They should be somewhere close to home where you can drop in unannounced, and where the state checks up regularly.
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Post by: KatEyesGrl on December 20, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
I attended this school from 1995-1996 Is there anything you would like to know? Id be glad to answer any questions you may have or anything.
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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on January 02, 2006, 02:17:00 PM
hey i have a group it is [email protected] (http://[email protected]) any one could join speak to soon just tring to meet old friends

Impiety: Your irreverence toward my deity.
--Ambrose Bierce

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on January 02, 2006, 02:20:00 PM
i have a new group for vca girl is at [email protected] (http://[email protected]) come in join you welcome

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,--"I see no probability of the British invading us"; but he will say to you, "Be silent: I see it, if you don't."
--Abraham Lincoln

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on January 02, 2006, 02:24:00 PM
i have a group come in join [email protected] (http://[email protected])

Age is mind over matter. If you don't mind...it doesn't matter!
--  Chuck Gauran

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on January 02, 2006, 02:44:00 PM
hey i have a new group [email protected] (http://[email protected])

When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.
William Blake

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on January 02, 2006, 03:09:00 PM
hey christian donovan join my group i know you [email protected] (http://[email protected])

I don't believe in Jesus.
--John Lennon, British songwriter and member of "The Beatles"

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Post by: wiwigirl2004 on January 02, 2006, 03:23:00 PM
MY NAME IS MARIE P NEW GROUP [email protected] (http://[email protected])

Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
--Annie Dillard, "Pilgrim at Tinker Creek"

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Post by: Antigen on January 02, 2006, 03:42:00 PM
No spamming, please!

It is the old practice of despots to use a part of the people to keep
the rest  in order; and those who have once got an ascendency and possessed themselves of  all the resources of the nation, their revenues and offices, have immense means  for retaining their advantages.
--Thomas Jefferson to John  Taylor, 1798

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Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
::unhappy::
 ::puke::  ::spam::
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Post by: Anonymous on January 05, 2006, 01:11:00 AM
VCA was, in fact,just like a cult. I left after 5 months because on one of my mother's visits she was so infuriated with the way things were there and the fire-and-brimstone (shove it down your throat} sermons that she said she was done with it and that no girl deserved that sort of treatment.
ill never forget it there.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 12:33:00 PM
apparently I'm not the only one who wasn't won over by Victory and it's head games....Victory Survivor 6/95-5/96
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Post by: Anonymous on January 24, 2006, 01:58:00 PM
geez Davey! it took looking up this God forsaken school to meet up with you again...well, stranger things have happened :wink:
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Post by: The Liger on January 24, 2006, 05:11:00 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/)

We have almost 80 members, who are all former "students" of VCA or Genesis.

Join the fun.
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Post by: Anonymous on January 25, 2006, 06:50:00 PM
Hi, what year were you in VCA? I was there from 89-92. Anyone out there who was a student at the same time?
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Post by: The Liger on January 25, 2006, 06:58:00 PM
I was there June '92 to June '95.  Blecchh!  You should join the group posted above.  There are a couple of girls in there from your time, although I won't mention their names here.
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Post by: 1eleven on January 26, 2006, 11:46:00 AM
I was there in 92' - 93'
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Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 05:37:00 PM
Hi my name was Cassie Luna and I was there from 96-98
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Post by: 1eleven on February 15, 2006, 05:42:00 PM
How was it for you? How long a year?
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Post by: Cassie on February 15, 2006, 06:13:00 PM
I have good and bad memories. The good memories were the girls there. I think all of them were great because most of them I had stuff in common with them. Unfortunately I mostley have bad memories of that place. I dont like how I was treated or any of the other girls at that. I'm 24 now and I've been out for 9 years or so and I still have dreams that my parents wouldnt come and get me. It did straighten me out though, but mostly cause I was scared to go back. I didnt realize how bad that school really was until I heard stories and read about them. Now I'm remembering everything that I would see and am realizing that it wasnt right and that this school is not a good school for girls.

Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"  Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
-- Charlie Brown, _Peanuts_ [Charles Schulz]

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Post by: Anonymous on February 15, 2006, 07:05:00 PM
I wonder if the nightmares ever end? I have been out of the Roloff homes for 28 years and still have them.Not so often now though.
I really dont think memories of harm done to us can ever leave. We can only gain strength from it all.Thats the only positive it brings.
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Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2006, 06:01:00 PM
Was anyone in the one in Tennessee?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2006, 06:05:00 PM
what is your group link?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2006, 06:11:00 PM
Is there one in Missouri? A VCA?
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Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2006, 06:32:00 PM
Quote
On 2004-12-02 13:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was in 9/88 - 9/89, how 'bout you?"



so who are you .....i was in the home in 1990 ....where you there then?
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Post by: The Liger on April 29, 2006, 06:36:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-04-29 15:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"what is your group link?"


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/)
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Post by: Anonymous on April 30, 2006, 12:02:00 PM
they are opening a new VCA in Tennessee. For pregnat girls.
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Post by: 1eleven on April 30, 2006, 04:37:00 PM
Who goes there????
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Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2006, 03:38:00 AM
yeah i went there for a year... i guess i was just so naive to the stuff that went on there... i honestly wanna say if i never went i would be so messed upo now. but i've gotton in contact with some of the girls and it looks likemvca didnt help them at all.. i guess god had a different plan for me... no i know some of the bad stuff that went on there. and if some one asked me i wouldn't recommend it. i was there with nikki lemus and like mia borrego... victory does nothing but brain wash your kids.. all i have to say is pray before you send your child there... the place is messed up in a whole lot of ways
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Post by: loverofmusic on May 06, 2006, 05:05:00 AM
Quote
On 2004-12-02 13:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I was in 9/88 - 9/89, how 'bout you?"



who is this
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Post by: bothhands on May 17, 2006, 07:52:00 PM
I was there from 1990-1992. it was really terrible the way they treated girls and the emotional and mental abuse they perpetrated on girls who were just trying to survive. I really would like to do something to expose and shut down the place...
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Post by: mispentyouthxx on May 18, 2006, 05:04:00 PM
hello,
my name is Vanessa, i went to Victory in 94 -95 (i think) I always wondered if i was just over reacting to the trauma of going to this place. And for the first time today I decided to do a little research and found all this.
I left that place and really never looked back so in doing that forgot a great deal of what went on there. I would love to talk to some of the girls I went through there with somehow.
Victory did not work for me in regards to keeping me from drugs and the life style I was living that got me there. I left there and a year later getting kicked out of school again, my parents put me on a plane to send me back and I bolted on my layover flight in Dallas as a run away! Thats how badly I refused to go there again. I went on to become a heroin addict on and off for the past... well pretty much starting a couple years after leaving there. I am good now in fact very good. I sought after my own help and see myself as a great success story. I look back and can see that living through that place has contributed to who I am today and for the most part, most days, I wouldnt change that. So yea the place is fucked and bizarre and scarry and is something i hope not many have to experience. Point is there are great places to provide help to people who are ready for the help. This place isnt one of them.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on May 19, 2006, 12:30:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-04-29 15:01:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Was anyone in the one in Tennessee?"


 Was anyone I would like to talk to them??
Title: Victory Christian Academy in San Diego(Ramona), California
Post by: Anonymous on October 25, 2006, 10:02:10 PM
I was in the California VCA in 1988-1989? Is there anybody from that time out there?  I remember Miss. Virginia, Miss. Yesinia (who was a former student), Brother Brown & Mrs. Brown, Brother Palmer & Mrs. Palmer, and Brother Cook & Mrs. Cook (the teachers).
Title: yeah
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2006, 04:21:22 PM
I was at VCA from 90-92. I remember Miss Virginia, the Palmers, and both sets of Brownes... Is this your first attempt to reach ex-VCA survivors? There's a whole bunch of us now....
Title: Reply To Tutone
Post by: kelleyfurniture on November 01, 2006, 12:59:13 PM
Tutone:  I was there from 87-88 April. I remember all of them as well and was friends with Yesenia. Who are you, Maybe I know you too.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on April 28, 2007, 02:25:24 PM
Has every one stopped posting on this site.  I just found out that there were sites like this on the computer.  My name is Jessilyn Gruetzner.  I was Jessilyn Strauss back then.  I was there from 96-00.  Let me know if any of ya'll were there back then
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: hanzomon4 on April 28, 2007, 05:39:57 PM
Just stick around others tend to drop in. You may also want to check out the ISAC-corporation (http://http://www.isaccorp.org)  site. They're a watch dog group for the troubled teen industry made up of survivors of various abusive programs. They have a VCA page - here (http://http://isaccorp.org/victorychristianacademy.asp). If you feel comfortable you can write a testimony(survivor statement) about your experience to raise awareness and help other survivors. It's my opinion that vocal survivors equate to a neutron bomb in regards to the power of their voice, both in it's ability be a light in the darkness and it's ability to cause mass-destruction for X program.
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Antigen on April 29, 2007, 03:35:40 PM
There's a Yahoo group too
Title: VCA Surivors
Post by: Anonymous on May 04, 2007, 04:38:23 PM
After learning of Rebecca Ramirez story I realized just how bad VCA was...the stories of abuse are not just limited to her and there are a lot of girls still being submitting to this treatment.  I am trying to get together as many girls as I can accounts of what VCA was like for them so we can work together to get VCA shut down so these girls can get the help they need not end up with deeper scars and problems from brainwashing and abuse. Please cotnact me at [email protected] if you want to help
Jamie Crowe
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on May 06, 2007, 02:54:48 AM
Hi, My name is Dorothy (Foster) Delaney, I attended VCA from Dec. 1994 – June 1996.

I woke up from a nap this afternoon with VCA heavily on my mind. I’d looked in the past for people I went to VCA with but really didn’t get to far, until today, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who walked away thinking and that was supposed to help me? Well in all fairness I learned some of my best fake it until you make it moves from VCA, but besides that, I didn’t agree with a lot of when on there or of what I saw. However, I miss the girls dearly, Carrie Palmer, April Sweet, I remember you! I worked yard crew with you! Gosh so many girls.

VCA is an experience that only those that were forced through it can understand. I’d love to talk to anyone for anytime at VCA.

Best to all,
DD
[email protected]
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: pamwoodger on May 09, 2007, 10:57:03 PM
i wsn rebekah, it was cruel what they did to us as well so i understand your pain
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: The Liger on May 19, 2007, 01:55:20 PM
Dorothy, I remember you.  I buddied you.  I remember what happened to you when you were a new girl in Dorm 3.  (I don't want to put your story here without your permission, although I think it's definitely worth telling.)  You were very headstrong then, and I hope that you still are now.  It's a good character trait, not one that was appreciated at VCA.  I can hardly remember how I treated you.  I hope not terribly.  

We have a Yahoo group with over 100 former students, and a Myspace group too.  Karrie Palmer is in the Myspace group.  April Sweet is in the Yahoo group.  (She's expecting her 2nd baby.)

Here are the links:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/)
http://groups.myspace.com/vcacademy (http://groups.myspace.com/vcacademy)

-Candice (Freed)

Quote from: ""DD""
Hi, My name is Dorothy (Foster) Delaney, I attended VCA from Dec. 1994 – June 1996.

I woke up from a nap this afternoon with VCA heavily on my mind. I’d looked in the past for people I went to VCA with but really didn’t get to far, until today, I’m glad to see I’m not the only one who walked away thinking and that was supposed to help me? Well in all fairness I learned some of my best fake it until you make it moves from VCA, but besides that, I didn’t agree with a lot of when on there or of what I saw. However, I miss the girls dearly, Carrie Palmer, April Sweet, I remember you! I worked yard crew with you! Gosh so many girls.

VCA is an experience that only those that were forced through it can understand. I’d love to talk to anyone for anytime at VCA.

Best to all,
DD
[email protected]
Title: VCA 1987 - 1988
Post by: Bluraygun on June 20, 2007, 01:55:56 PM
My name when I was there was Dana Palmer (no relation).  

I can't believe it has been 20 years since I was at Victory.  I also have both good memories and bad.  I met my best friend Amy there and she has been a great support.  But I also have some anxiety issues due to techniques Victory staff employed as well.  

I was reading posts for a few years ago (as I just found this) and boy do I remember alot.  I remember Amie (Bro P. daughter) and Nico, I even attended their wedding.  I remember the Brownes, Miss Virginia, Ms. Judy (Chris & Pitts) was there when I was a "new girl", the Cooks and the Kissles.  Boy was I shocked to hear Yesenia came back as a staff, she must have tortured people.  I had laundry duty for what seemed like forever.  The "GR" room I was well acquianted with when I was new. I could go on and on.    Anyone remember and of this?
Title: vca
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2007, 01:00:55 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I was at Victory way back when it was in Ramona, California and I can't think of anything negative to say about that place, it changed my life and I am now a very happy grown woman with a family that I dont think had I not gone there, I wouldn't have those things. Im not understanding all the hateful things placed on this site, it's sad  :sad:
 I was at vca in ramona from 8-1-87 to 7-18-88. when were you there and who are you? and i'm not ashamed to use my real name. that's the name I was at vca.
Title: Re: VCA 1987 - 1988
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2007, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: ""Bluraygun""
My name when I was there was Dana Palmer (no relation).  

I can't believe it has been 20 years since I was at Victory.  I also have both good memories and bad.  I met my best friend Amy there and she has been a great support.  But I also have some anxiety issues due to techniques Victory staff employed as well.  

I was reading posts for a few years ago (as I just found this) and boy do I remember alot.  I remember Amie (Bro P. daughter) and Nico, I even attended their wedding.  I remember the Brownes, Miss Virginia, Ms. Judy (Chris & Pitts) was there when I was a "new girl", the Cooks and the Kissles.  Boy was I shocked to hear Yesenia came back as a staff, she must have tortured people.  I had laundry duty for what seemed like forever.  The "GR" room I was well acquianted with when I was new. I could go on and on.    Anyone remember and of this?
 DANA!!! It's me! Christine Gatto!! Holy crap! I finaly found someone who was there with me!! Did you hear about Carey Dunn? I just saw on line last night that in '88 a pile of lumber fell on her at vca and killed her. Let me talk about that GRR!! i spent so much time in BOTH of them!! Dorm 2 and dorm3!! My email address is (and you'll love this) [email protected]. give me a holler!! And Yesenia as staff??!! Well, strander things have happened!
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on June 27, 2007, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: ""Nico""
Sorry I havent replied in so long.  Lets just say I have been very busy these last few months.



Someone asked why I even came here and I wanted to answer that.



When Amie and I worked there, we werent realy much older than the girls.  Niether of us were realy in an authority position, I worked outside with the girls somtimes, and Amie was just kinda thier friend.  We both just tried to have fun with the girls and be their friends.  



I have said this before and gotten teased, but I never saw anything bad happen.  Sure I saw some staff members be real rude to some of the girls, and I always felt bad, but there was not much I cold do about it (Ive always told Mr P that he should have had a school for wayword staff members instead)



So, when I herd about this site, I was kinda bummed.  I just came here, read a few things, and never responded.  I dont know if there are any girls here from when Amie and I were at the school.  Someone mentioned me in a thread so I figured I'd respond.  Thats prity much it.



I was sent to a Military school when I was in the 8th grade, and was treated horribly by staff and students, so I can empithize with some of your feelings.



I realy hope that whatever happened there, you girls can find peace.  Gods not the bad guy, but people are.



Talk to you later-Nico
Nico! I remember you!You guys were still planning the wedding when I was there! (8-1-87 to 7-18-88) Tell Amie I said hi if she remembers me. I was Christine Gatto way back then!
Title: Lighthouse
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2007, 11:44:25 AM
Wow... You all seem like some really angry people. The place in Jay has changed a lot, so you're kind of dwelling on the past. It is now called Lighthouse Christian Academy and there is a new Pastor as well. Pastor Cookston.  I was in LCA from April 2006- June 2007. I guess i'm knid of flabergasted about what some of you wrote. They still do the soap thing, but they NEVER shoved it down anyone's throat while i was there... Are you sure you aren't overreacting? They only did good by me. I thought they were unfair in some areas, but they've never harmed anyone unless they were tring to hurt someone...
Title: Lighthouse
Post by: Anonymous on June 28, 2007, 11:46:12 AM
Wow... You all seem like some really angry people. The place in Jay has changed a lot, so you're kind of dwelling on the past. It is now called Lighthouse Christian Academy and there is a new Pastor as well. Pastor Cookston.  I was in LCA from April 2006- June 2007. I guess i'm knid of flabergasted about what some of you wrote. They still do the soap thing, but they NEVER shoved it down anyone's throat while i was there... Are you sure you aren't overreacting? They only did good by me. I thought they were unfair in some areas, but they've never harmed anyone unless they were tring to hurt someone...
Title: Re: Lighthouse
Post by: Bluraygun on June 28, 2007, 01:51:07 PM
Quote from: ""hollyee""
Wow... You all seem like some really angry people. The place in Jay has changed a lot, so you're kind of dwelling on the past. It is now called Lighthouse Christian Academy and there is a new Pastor as well. Pastor Cookston.  I was in LCA from April 2006- June 2007. I guess i'm knid of flabergasted about what some of you wrote. They still do the soap thing, but they NEVER shoved it down anyone's throat while i was there... Are you sure you aren't overreacting? They only did good by me. I thought they were unfair in some areas, but they've never harmed anyone unless they were tring to hurt someone...


So glad things turned out well for you.  Obviously though you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the VCA we all attended.  You would be angry too if you had to go through what alot of us did.  Anger is a part of healing and sometimes you have to "dwell on the past" in order to get through it and on with life.  It has taken many of us years to get this far.  Have you stopped to think that maybe many of us might be angry due to people telling us to "get over it" or that we are "overreacting" - abuse is abuse, whether it be mental or physical and comments like those only make it harder to move on.  Places like this give survivors like myself a place to vent and a sense of belonging knowing we are not alone in our struggle.

I wish you the best of luck.
Title: VCA
Post by: Anonymous on August 11, 2007, 02:21:32 PM
Hi, WOW just stumbled across this blog and wanted to weigh in... I m a VCA Survivor from Ramona California back in 1988. When the whole thing happened where a girl, carey died due to an accident while we were building a new church house(many of us were). any way, after the palmers were basicly shut down out here they moved to Florida.
How many are out there. my god!!!I've put this behind me for almost 20 years, but wouldn't you know , it never quite goes away.
What ever happened to Miss Virginia?? Does any one know? Or the Browns?
And as for all of you out there that cant understand or tend to criticize , YOU DONT KNOW!! You cant possibly unless you were there. So bite that one and chew on it for a while. see ya. 8-)
Title: Former VCA Student
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2007, 04:13:45 PM
I attended VCA in San Diego and in Florida from 1991 to 1994 and I am looking for ANY of the girls that remember me. Stace, Stephanie, Nermine, Heather, Angela, Rebecca, ann and the list goes on. My name at the time was Annette Conner but now my name is Annette Flores! Write me anyone from there..love ya guys :)
Title: Former VCA Student
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2007, 04:14:16 PM
I attended VCA in San Diego and in Florida from 1991 to 1994 and I am looking for ANY of the girls that remember me. Stace, Stephanie, Nermine, Heather, Angela, Rebecca, ann and the list goes on. My name at the time was Annette Conner but now my name is Annette Flores! Write me anyone from there..love ya guys :)
Title: Former VCA Student
Post by: Anonymous on August 29, 2007, 04:25:30 PM
Hey Smileicious, How are you doing? We went to the school at different times however yes i know Mrs. Virgina and the browns. Mrs. Virgina left the school i believe back in 1992 and went out of state, she didnt really give any reasons why she was leaving but she did and honestly i was pleased that she was gone. The Browns, both sets were there and i loved Big brother browns wife and lil brothers browns wife was ok too but she wasnt to loving and when she was well she was just fake. lol more in a bit
Title: New Lighthouse?
Post by: lorrispickelmire on September 06, 2007, 12:22:13 AM
Are these schools connected to Roloff?  

Lorri
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: hanzomon4 on September 06, 2007, 01:04:19 AM
From the ISAC page -
Quote
Lighthouse Ministries of North West Florida is a locked-down facility for girls in Jay, Florida.

It's previous name was Victory Christian Academy/Genesis Ministries.

The owner of the facility, Brother Michael Palmer, was a long-time associate of Lester Roloff.

Roloff gained notoriety in the 70's for paddling pregnant teens in his care and for declaring that he would die before he submitted to state licensing of his programs for wayward juveniles.

Victory Christian Academy used to be located in California but Palmer and his wife moved the facility to Florida after a California judge ordered the facility to close and banned Palmer and his wife Patty from EVER working at another unlicensed facility in the state.


Yup, Roloff  spread like cancer....
Title: VCA -87-88
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2007, 04:44:47 PM
I was known as Rebekah Mooney @ the time of my stay @ VCA.  I think the dates were 87-88 in Ramona, CA.  My buddy's name was Monique and I remember she was a diabetic.  I woke up this morning and remembered just the NAME of Victory Christian Acadamy...I have not been able to remember the name for years.  I dont remember names, etc.. I DO remember not being able to go to the restroom in the AM and having to kneel on the floor and pray before we were even allowed to STAND in line for the bathroom.  I urinated in my pants PLENTY of times.  That affected my whole being...I was traumatized by that!!!  I remember the minister (if that's what you want to call it) having sermons (if that's what you want to call them) on the lambs and the sheep.  I was sickened by the way every girl was "saved" because they were so scared to do anything else.   I DO remember the minister having these big beaty eyes, and bad teeth.
Title: VCA 1987 - 1988
Post by: Bluraygun on September 06, 2007, 07:47:34 PM
Hi Smileicious - who is this?  We were obviously there at the same time (VCA 87 - 88).  This is Dana Palmer.  Amy Greason and I are still best friends and are always looking to get in touch with others.  

Hi Rebekah - your buddies name was Monique Pattynama, we were friends for awhile after Victory but lost touch.  How are you?
Title: VCA
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2007, 10:30:38 AM
i WAS AT VCA AROUND 89.  JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WEBSITE... IS THERE A YAHOO GROUP???

LYNDIE TIMMS,CHRISTINA DRUEHL ARE TWO OF THE GIRLS WHO WERE THERE WHEN IWAS THERE..I REMEMBER MANY GIRLS BUT THEIR NAMES HAVE SLIPPED MY MIND AT THE MOMENT. YESENIA WAS ON STAFF FOR A SHORT PERIOD WHILE I WAS THERE. TERRIBLE MEMORIES FROM A TERRIBLE PLACE...BRO. PALMER WAS SUCH A PERV!! ANYONE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON EVERYTHING..YOU KNOW STAFF, FORMER STUDENTS..ETC

I SEE MISS VIRGINIA HAS A BAND....INTERESTING...A CHRISTIAN ONE AT THAT....INTERESTING.

I REALLY WANT TO FIND SOME GIRLS WHO REMAINED IN MY HEART AND ON MY MIND TO THIS DAY. ALTHOUGH I HAVE BECOME VERY SUCCESSFUL , IT WAS NOT WITHOUT MANY YEARS OF COMING TO TERMS WITH THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING MY 18 MOS. AT VCA. IT TOOK ME ALONG TIME TO LEARN TO TRUST SOMEONE WHO WAS SMILING AT ME. TO BE HONEST, I STILL TRUST ANYONE BUT I AM OK WIHT THAT NOW..AND IT HAS SERVED ME WELL IN MY CAREER , BUT SADLY..TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO REALIZE MY ISSUE AND DEAL WITH IT IN MY PERSONAL LIFE......MANY HURT AND PAINFUL YEARS....BUT TIME  HEALS MANY THINGS AND IT HAS HEALED ME.

I KNOW NOW WHAT A REAL CHRISTIAN IS...AND THIS PLACE WAS OF THE DEVIL. EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT "ABUSIVE"..LOOKED THE OTHER WAY AND ALLOWED LITTLE GIRLS TO BE ABUSED AND PREYED UPON...THAT IN ITSELF IS ABUSE AND AT THE VERY LEAST "INHUMANE".....
Title: VCA
Post by: Anonymous on October 31, 2007, 02:17:15 PM
I am a Rebekah girl myself, but VCA is connected to Roloff, and I believe they do have a Yahoo group, but I am not sure.  I run a support and healing group for survivors of abusive programs on yahoo groups, but we dont have anyone from VCA yet.  I don't know too much about the school even, but if you ever just want to vent, we would welcome you in our group.  http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/He ... ePrograms/ (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HealingFromAbusivePrograms/)

Lorri
Title: VCA yahoo group
Post by: The Liger on November 03, 2007, 08:29:50 PM
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/victorychristianacademy/)
Title: Im so sorry~
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2007, 12:56:07 PM
Vanessa, I am so sorry for your experience at VCA. I too went to VCA. I am horrified by the things Ive read online about VCA. I however know most are completely unfounded and fabricated. Did I like my stay at VCA? NO! Do I look back w/ a fond eye? NO! It wasnt supposed to be a place we liked. It was meant to be a place of reconditioning. A chance for us to be plucked out of our drug,over-sexed,provocative ways.. and give us a chance to dust off and redirect our feet. It was a wonderful opportunity for me to look back on my short life up until then and see just how many bad choices I was making and the empty feeling they all gave me. I decided to let the Lord take charge.  After leaving... things were bumpy and I didnt always keep my eyes focused on Christ. BIG MISTAKE! His grace was sufficient and after meeting my NOW husband we have three beautiful kids, Home, good memories and a great church we belong to. I love you as a friend and I dont even know you! Just know God loves you so much more... and is always there for you. If you want to turn to anyone.. TURN TO HIM!!! Jocelyn
Title: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on December 16, 2007, 01:22:28 PM
There is no God.

VCA was the proof.
Title: Re: Im so sorry~
Post by: The Liger on December 16, 2007, 01:31:42 PM
You've got to be fucking kidding me.  

Quote from: ""PraiseGod!""
Vanessa, I am so sorry for your experience at VCA. I too went to VCA. I am horrified by the things Ive read online about VCA. I however know most are completely unfounded and fabricated. Did I like my stay at VCA? NO! Do I look back w/ a fond eye? NO! It wasnt supposed to be a place we liked. It was meant to be a place of reconditioning. A chance for us to be plucked out of our drug,over-sexed,provocative ways.. and give us a chance to dust off and redirect our feet. It was a wonderful opportunity for me to look back on my short life up until then and see just how many bad choices I was making and the empty feeling they all gave me. I decided to let the Lord take charge.  After leaving... things were bumpy and I didnt always keep my eyes focused on Christ. BIG MISTAKE! His grace was sufficient and after meeting my NOW husband we have three beautiful kids, Home, good memories and a great church we belong to. I love you as a friend and I dont even know you! Just know God loves you so much more... and is always there for you. If you want to turn to anyone.. TURN TO HIM!!! Jocelyn
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 03, 2008, 01:13:47 AM
My name is Trisha Vasquez I attended VCA from 1988 to1990 I was sent there 2 months after my father died and my mom tried to put me in three different homes but they told her i was suffering form depression and she needed to seek a different kind of help. My mother found VCA and i was sent there without her even visiting the school first. Some of you may remember me I had a very hard time with a eating disorder, i could'nt eat much it got so bad I starting vomiting every time I ate I use to see some of the girls stare and thought i was acting out or rebelling. staff members resorted to cutting a inch of my hair off every time i did'nt finish within their time limit then took all my belonging as was only allowed to wear dorm clothes. when that did'nt work they would put my meals in a blender and tell me to drink it. if I could'nt finish in time I was layed on the floor and held down while staff put a funnel down my throat and poured my delicious meal forcfully down my throat. I spent at least 18 months in the GR ROOM out of 2 years. the rest of the time I was in the corner writting I WILL EAT ON TIME.. One good thing did come out of it I learned the Lord but that is the only good thing that came from it my mother could never own up to it nor will she listen when i tried to tell her about things that went on there, it was all in my head, I am so happy to learn I wasn't the only one....   I have four wonderful children and and they are the only bliss in my life... If anyone remembers me or would like to share or just vent about VCA feel free to email @  [email protected] and for all of you defending VCA you were lucky to not have experienced things other girls in real need of help experienced.
Title: Re: VCA
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2008, 12:41:45 PM
Quote from: "ANGELA"
i WAS AT VCA AROUND 89.  JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WEBSITE... IS THERE A YAHOO GROUP???

LYNDIE TIMMS,CHRISTINA DRUEHL ARE TWO OF THE GIRLS WHO WERE THERE WHEN IWAS THERE..I REMEMBER MANY GIRLS BUT THEIR NAMES HAVE SLIPPED MY MIND AT THE MOMENT. YESENIA WAS ON STAFF FOR A SHORT PERIOD WHILE I WAS THERE. TERRIBLE MEMORIES FROM A TERRIBLE PLACE...BRO. PALMER WAS SUCH A PERV!! ANYONE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON EVERYTHING..YOU KNOW STAFF, FORMER STUDENTS..ETC

I SEE MISS VIRGINIA HAS A BAND....INTERESTING...A CHRISTIAN ONE AT THAT....INTERESTING.

I REALLY WANT TO FIND SOME GIRLS WHO REMAINED IN MY HEART AND ON MY MIND TO THIS DAY. ALTHOUGH I HAVE BECOME VERY SUCCESSFUL , IT WAS NOT WITHOUT MANY YEARS OF COMING TO TERMS WITH THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING MY 18 MOS. AT VCA. IT TOOK ME ALONG TIME TO LEARN TO TRUST SOMEONE WHO WAS SMILING AT ME. TO BE HONEST, I STILL TRUST ANYONE BUT I AM OK WIHT THAT NOW..AND IT HAS SERVED ME WELL IN MY CAREER , BUT SADLY..TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO REALIZE MY ISSUE AND DEAL WITH IT IN MY PERSONAL LIFE......MANY HURT AND PAINFUL YEARS....BUT TIME  HEALS MANY THINGS AND IT HAS HEALED ME.

I KNOW NOW WHAT A REAL CHRISTIAN IS...AND THIS PLACE WAS OF THE DEVIL. EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT "ABUSIVE"..LOOKED THE OTHER WAY AND ALLOWED LITTLE GIRLS TO BE ABUSED AND PREYED UPON...THAT IN ITSELF IS ABUSE AND AT THE VERY LEAST "INHUMANE".....
Title: Re: VCA -87-88
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2008, 02:48:32 PM
Quote from: "rnbecca"
I was known as Rebekah Mooney @ the time of my stay @ VCA.  I think the dates were 87-88 in Ramona, CA.  My buddy's name was Monique and I remember she was a diabetic.  I woke up this morning and remembered just the NAME of Victory Christian Acadamy...I have not been able to remember the name for years.  I dont remember names, etc.. I DO remember not being able to go to the restroom in the AM and having to kneel on the floor and pray before we were even allowed to STAND in line for the bathroom.  I urinated in my pants PLENTY of times.  That affected my whole being...I was traumatized by that!!!  I remember the minister (if that's what you want to call it) having sermons (if that's what you want to call them) on the lambs and the sheep.  I was sickened by the way every girl was "saved" because they were so scared to do anything else.   I DO remember the minister having these big beaty eyes, and bad teeth.

Hello my name is trisha I was at VCA from 88-90 in ramona
Title: Re: VCA 1987 - 1988
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2008, 02:56:27 PM
Quote from: "Bluraygun"
Hi Smileicious - who is this?  We were obviously there at the same time (VCA 87 - 88).  This is Dana Palmer.  Amy Greason and I are still best friends and are always looking to get in touch with others.  

Hi Rebekah - your buddies name was Monique Pattynama, we were friends for awhile after Victory but lost touch.  How are you?

Hi I was at VCA in 88-90, my name is trisha..(looking for others)
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: hurrikayne on September 07, 2008, 10:16:26 AM
Quote
by seriously scarred on September 03, 2008, 05:13:47

It takes a great deal of effort to describe the mistreatment you suffered.  Thank you for having the courage to do so.
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 17, 2008, 09:02:56 PM
Is this school affiliated with Lighthouse girls home in Mississippi??
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2008, 12:44:17 AM
At their webpage (http://http://www.lighthousechildren.com/MSlch/application.htm) they claim that the girl must willing ask for entering the facility. Is that true? It is certainly not the case with several of ther other homes.

Also:

What are the consequences used at  the facility? Corporal, isolation or bizarre chores?

Do they have level systems?

How about communication with parents, extended family and friends?

Is it the ACE curriculum used there?

Has Larry Neff worked at one of the other Roloff homes or was his childhood boarding school in Franklin ran by a Roloff spin-off?

In order to deserve a place on Fornits Wiki (http://http://wiki.fornits.com), these questions must be answers.
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on September 18, 2008, 12:44:29 AM
At their webpage (http://http://www.lighthousechildren.com/MSlch/application.htm) they claim that the girl must willing ask for entering the facility. Is that true? It is certainly not the case with several of ther other homes.

Also:

What are the consequences used at  the facility? Corporal, isolation or bizarre chores?

Do they have level systems?

How about communication with parents, extended family and friends?

Is it the ACE curriculum used there?

Has Larry Neff worked at one of the other Roloff homes or was his childhood boarding school in Franklin ran by a Roloff spin-off?

In order to deserve a place on Fornits Wiki (http://http://wiki.fornits.com), these questions must be answers.
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on October 22, 2008, 11:40:42 PM
I remember you vaguely rebekah mooney. if i brought all of my pictures out im sure i would recognize you. angela....angela bennett?? there are so many that i think about and wonder how their doing.
michelle hearn
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2008, 07:45:16 PM
I would like to chat with anyone who was at the VCA in jay florida and any information about MIchael Palmer. Thanks
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on November 18, 2008, 07:47:02 PM
my email is [email protected]- need inf on VCA and Michael Palmer
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Anonymous on February 06, 2009, 03:45:10 AM
Hi everyone, I am not sure if people are still using this post. my name is Jodi and I went to Victory around 1989. I recognized a few names on here. If you would like to email me my email is [email protected]
I am about 5'9 american indian, brown hair brown eyes. If anyone remembers me I would love to hear from you.

Jodi
Title: Re: VCA
Post by: Anonymous on April 22, 2009, 08:24:17 PM
Quote from: "ANGELA"
i WAS AT VCA AROUND 89.  JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS WEBSITE... IS THERE A YAHOO GROUP???

LYNDIE TIMMS,CHRISTINA DRUEHL ARE TWO OF THE GIRLS WHO WERE THERE WHEN IWAS THERE..I REMEMBER MANY GIRLS BUT THEIR NAMES HAVE SLIPPED MY MIND AT THE MOMENT. YESENIA WAS ON STAFF FOR A SHORT PERIOD WHILE I WAS THERE. TERRIBLE MEMORIES FROM A TERRIBLE PLACE...BRO. PALMER WAS SUCH A PERV!! ANYONE HAVE ANY UPDATES ON EVERYTHING..YOU KNOW STAFF, FORMER STUDENTS..ETC

I SEE MISS VIRGINIA HAS A BAND....INTERESTING...A CHRISTIAN ONE AT THAT....INTERESTING.

I REALLY WANT TO FIND SOME GIRLS WHO REMAINED IN MY HEART AND ON MY MIND TO THIS DAY. ALTHOUGH I HAVE BECOME VERY SUCCESSFUL , IT WAS NOT WITHOUT MANY YEARS OF COMING TO TERMS WITH THINGS THAT HAPPENED DURING MY 18 MOS. AT VCA. IT TOOK ME ALONG TIME TO LEARN TO TRUST SOMEONE WHO WAS SMILING AT ME. TO BE HONEST, I STILL TRUST ANYONE BUT I AM OK WIHT THAT NOW..AND IT HAS SERVED ME WELL IN MY CAREER , BUT SADLY..TOOK ME A LONG TIME TO REALIZE MY ISSUE AND DEAL WITH IT IN MY PERSONAL LIFE......MANY HURT AND PAINFUL YEARS....BUT TIME  HEALS MANY THINGS AND IT HAS HEALED ME.

I KNOW NOW WHAT A REAL CHRISTIAN IS...AND THIS PLACE WAS OF THE DEVIL. EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT "ABUSIVE"..LOOKED THE OTHER WAY AND ALLOWED LITTLE GIRLS TO BE ABUSED AND PREYED UPON...THAT IN ITSELF IS ABUSE AND AT THE VERY LEAST "INHUMANE".....

Angela,
I believe I was there the same time as you. My name is Jodi and I was there from 89-90 I am a part of the Yahoo groups Victory Christian Academy. email me [email protected]
Title: Re: VCA 1987 - 1988
Post by: searchingforanswers on March 08, 2010, 09:13:58 AM
Quote from: "Bluraygun"
Hi Smileicious - who is this?  We were obviously there at the same time (VCA 87 - 88).  This is Dana Palmer.  Amy Greason and I are still best friends and are always looking to get in touch with others.  

Hi Rebekah - your buddies name was Monique Pattynama, we were friends for awhile after Victory but lost touch.  How are you?
hi my name is kimberly williams i was there whene carrie died and i spent most my time in the get right room with christina drule and alison i am so interested in talking with others email me or call me [email protected] or 9098068319
Title: Re: VCA 1987 - 1988
Post by: searchingforanswers on March 08, 2010, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: "Bluraygun"
Hi Smileicious - who is this?  We were obviously there at the same time (VCA 87 - 88).  This is Dana Palmer.  Amy Greason and I are still best friends and are always looking to get in touch with others.  

Hi Rebekah - your buddies name was Monique Pattynama, we were friends for awhile after Victory but lost touch.  How are you?
hi my name is kimberly williams i was there whene carrie died and i spent most my time in the get right room with christina drule and alison i am so interested in talking with others email me or call me [email protected] or 9098068319
Title: Re: VCA 1987 - 1988
Post by: searchingforanswers on March 08, 2010, 09:13:59 AM
Quote from: "Bluraygun"
Hi Smileicious - who is this?  We were obviously there at the same time (VCA 87 - 88).  This is Dana Palmer.  Amy Greason and I are still best friends and are always looking to get in touch with others.  

Hi Rebekah - your buddies name was Monique Pattynama, we were friends for awhile after Victory but lost touch.  How are you?
hi my name is kimberly williams i was there whene carrie died and i spent most my time in the get right room with christina drule and alison i am so interested in talking with others email me or call me [email protected] or 9098068319
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: luckysocks07 on April 16, 2011, 11:38:02 PM
Yes, I know quite a bit about this school, as I "worked" on staff there for 3 months. Before you go off cussing at me, please hear me out when I say this was the absolute worst experience of my life, and I agree.... Palmer and his wife BOTH belong in jail for all the harmful lies and child abuse that went on there. I myself never took part in med calls or the GR room, but they do indeed exist. I was a college student who went to work at the Jay, FL after graduation. Betty Brown bragged to me once about how she paddled a girl and made her eat a bar of soap for her disrespect.
 And yes...you could get into trouble for everything. I felt bad for the girls, and when I was a dorm mother, I would let them get away with a lot, and got into trouble ALL of the time for it. The staff there hated me for that reason, watched me like a hawk, and even refused to let me (yes, I was on STAFF!) paint my toenails, wear my own clothes, and listen to music from my church. My first day there, Mrs P told me that my green toe polish and jewelry was "sinful" and needed to be removed ASAP. I asked her where it said that was a sin in the Bible, and she looked shocked. If I remember correctly, she mumbled something about my parents not teaching me respect (like she knows what kind of home I was raised in) and then told me I have a lot to learn about the rules.
 And that's not all! When I was there, two girls in my dorm made up this ridiculous lie that I tried to look up a girl's skirt, and another girl said I touched her inappropriately. Now all of the other girls in the dorm were there when this supposedly happened, and it was obvious the girls concocted this story to get out that prison , or to earn brownie points with staff or something.
 However, I took this very seriously, since I had squeaky clean background checks done on me prior to working here, and even had a gov. security clearance. I was very concerned about these nonsensical allegations being put onto my record. All of this trouble took place shortly after the torrid affair that happened between Amber and a guy on staff. (I think it was Palmer's son???) I'm guessing the girls were trying to take advantage of the chaos, since Palmer and his wife left town to take a "vacation" home to Iowa, and left his daughter in charge. His daughter called me into the office, and started accusing me of being a pervert, and lying. I tried to defend myself, and asked her where her proof was of this. She dismissed me, and told me to wait until Palmer and his wife returned.
 I won't bother you with all of the specifics here, but Palmer came home early, accused me of being a slut, whore, pervert, and playing with "little girl's bra straps", and I was told to get off the property immediately before he called the police. I told him that I would leave, but if he ever tried to press charges, I would hire a lawyer, sue the pants off of him,and win. Thus ended my lovely time at VCA.
 Oh, did I mention I had a "friend" working there with me at the time? She is actually the one that introduced me to the school. She told me she used to be a student there, and it was a great place. I had only gone a few times before working there to do Bible studies on Saturday with the girls. Everyone was fairly nice to us then, so figured it wasn't a bad place, and they were only strict because the girls were troublemakers. I now know firsthand that wasn't the case at all.
 Not sure where my friend is now, but I was told she went back to our alma mater (our college) and works on staff there now. Maybe she finally saw these people for who they really are... horrible human beings running a cult.
 And girls...I am so extremely sorry for any suffering or abuse you experienced under these people. I promise you...God really is love, and the true Jesus would want nothing to do with this place either.
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: AndreaHeintz on May 19, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
Stumbling across this was enlightening. I attended Victory Christian Academy from August 2001- Feb 2002 when i was 15. What a nightmare. My life was forever changed and i still deal with the challenges of trying to live a normal life and fitting back in to soceity. I don't feel as though i belong because of being torn out of the "real world" and left in a facility where we weren't allowed to talk about what was going on. I'm 25 now, divorced, with 2 kids and i live a good life. My relationship with my parents is good now but the second I dwell on the "Victory Days" i hate them all over again..
I suppressed most of the feelings i've had about this place and my stay there because this is what we were taught. We werent allowed to talk about problems, the past, our fears, and our pain. How on Earth is this supposed to help us be healthy adults? I'm JUST NOW (10 years later) going to get some counseling because i know there's a lot of emotions deep inside that i have hidden. No one really understands what we've dealt with in our lives except the other girls who attended. You can't really explain it to anyone because you cant remember most of it. I remember bits and pieces but cant remember people's names. I know i was a dorm helper towards the end because i learned how to fake it and game the system. I came home after 6 months and wasnt even sure if i wanted to stay home because i was so brainwashed into thinking anything but christian hymns, the Bible, and their rules was ungodly and i would suffer death and go to hell. A 16 year old girl has enough problems without having to deal with these "cult thoughts". I blocked this out for so long that i have forgotten so much! I wish i knew the names of the girls who touched my heart and who made my stay there doable. I am forever grateful of the few sincere girls there and some who's homelife made my heart literally ache.
I can't express enough how emotionally devastating it is to spend a holiday without your family at that age. I was there for 9-11 and couldnt experience the full effect of what our nation went through as a whole and i will never entirely "get it". No one can really understand what its like to not talk or be on "silence" for 30 days, write 1200 lines, or be unable to go outside for 3 months unless they've lived it. I dont know ANYONE who has gone to a "reform school" and now that i know the feelings of insecurity, anxeity, and not be good enough are common side effects of being here i feel less alone. Thank you all for commenting and sharing your experiences. I hope I can find someone who attended while i did to talk to and catch up!
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Ursus on May 21, 2011, 03:45:31 PM
Quote from: "AndreaHeintz"
Stumbling across this was enlightening. I attended Victory Christian Academy from August 2001- Feb 2002 when i was 15. What a nightmare. My life was forever changed and i still deal with the challenges of trying to live a normal life and fitting back in to soceity. I don't feel as though i belong because of being torn out of the "real world" and left in a facility where we weren't allowed to talk about what was going on. I'm 25 now, divorced, with 2 kids and i live a good life. My relationship with my parents is good now but the second I dwell on the "Victory Days" i hate them all over again..
I suppressed most of the feelings i've had about this place and my stay there because this is what we were taught. We werent allowed to talk about problems, the past, our fears, and our pain. How on Earth is this supposed to help us be healthy adults? I'm JUST NOW (10 years later) going to get some counseling because i know there's a lot of emotions deep inside that i have hidden. No one really understands what we've dealt with in our lives except the other girls who attended. You can't really explain it to anyone because you cant remember most of it. I remember bits and pieces but cant remember people's names. I know i was a dorm helper towards the end because i learned how to fake it and game the system. I came home after 6 months and wasnt even sure if i wanted to stay home because i was so brainwashed into thinking anything but christian hymns, the Bible, and their rules was ungodly and i would suffer death and go to hell. A 16 year old girl has enough problems without having to deal with these "cult thoughts". I blocked this out for so long that i have forgotten so much! I wish i knew the names of the girls who touched my heart and who made my stay there doable. I am forever grateful of the few sincere girls there and some who's homelife made my heart literally ache.
I can't express enough how emotionally devastating it is to spend a holiday without your family at that age. I was there for 9-11 and couldnt experience the full effect of what our nation went through as a whole and i will never entirely "get it". No one can really understand what its like to not talk or be on "silence" for 30 days, write 1200 lines, or be unable to go outside for 3 months unless they've lived it. I dont know ANYONE who has gone to a "reform school" and now that i know the feelings of insecurity, anxeity, and not be good enough are common side effects of being here i feel less alone. Thank you all for commenting and sharing your experiences. I hope I can find someone who attended while i did to talk to and catch up!
You may or may not be old enough to remember her or know of her, but... a former attendee of Victory Christian Academy recently committed suicide. She wrote a book about her time there, Reform at Victory, "a memoir of her time at Victory Christian Academy in Ramona, CA, a teen lockdown facility that was closed down due to abusive practices in 1992."

  • Michele Tresler-Ultriksen, R.I.P.
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Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: daddyfrank on June 09, 2011, 05:35:55 PM
what was the most punishment lines did any gurl had 2 write?- how many lines per day did u have 2 write- my foster mom made me write 1000s of lines out- it screw up my head some times- u can e-mail me at- [email protected]- thank u >:(
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: mary142 on July 06, 2011, 11:43:36 AM
Awful school and horrible sports teams ever. If you are looking to go here I would definitely choose another private school. There are plenty more better academys in the area that offer better teaching.
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: lilysue on July 06, 2011, 10:04:06 PM
hi my name is sharon kieft and I have attended this school and was a staff memeber too it has its good points and bad in my memories but it is all what you choose to make of it that is what shapes who u are.  I would like to chat with anyone who remembers me from 95-97 as a student and then staff from 97-98 and again in 2002. email me at [email protected]
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Wh??ter on July 07, 2011, 10:58:32 AM
Quote from: "betty277"
DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SCHOOL?

I have contacts that tell me this is an excellent school with great academics.  I would recommend it highly.



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Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Trekker Jag on July 07, 2011, 11:12:18 AM
Quote from: "Wh??ter"
Quote from: "betty277"
DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SCHOOL?

I have contacts that tell me this is an excellent school with great academics.  I would recommend it highly.



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Whooter, just because the staff routinely and as a matter of course sodomize the kids there, doesn't make it an "excellent school with great academics".
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Wh??ter on July 07, 2011, 11:16:19 AM
Quote from: "Trekker Jag"
Quote from: "Wh??ter"
Quote from: "betty277"
DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS SCHOOL?

I have contacts that tell me this is an excellent school with great academics.  I would recommend it highly.



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Whooter, just because the staff routinely and as a matter of course sodomize the kids there, doesn't make it an "excellent school with great academics".

Link?  Source?  This school has a great reputation.  I don't know why your so angry, but you shouldn't tell lies about the school to suit your agenda.



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Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Trekker Jag on July 07, 2011, 11:23:49 AM
No one's lying about anything Whootie, we just feel like you'd be happier and less of a grouch if you finally accepted your gayness and came out of the closet.  Be proud of your gaiety, Whooter!  It's OK!  You're here, you're queer, we're used to it.........
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Wh??ter on July 07, 2011, 11:26:58 AM
Quote from: "Trekker Jag"
No one's lying about anything Whootie, we just feel like you'd be happier and less of a grouch if you finally accepted your gayness and came out of the closet.  Be proud of your gaiety, Whooter!  It's OK!  You're here, you're queer, we're used to it.........

Bruce, try to keep the attacks to the proper thread.  I know you love to attack me over lies all the time, but the forum rules state you need to stay on topic.  Try not to ruin the experience for other readers just because you are having gay issues again.  If you didn't quit HLA after two weeks they could have helped you with those issues.



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Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Trekker Jag on July 07, 2011, 11:34:48 AM
Quote from: "Wh??ter"
Quote from: "Trekker Jag"
No one's lying about anything Whootie, we just feel like you'd be happier and less of a grouch if you finally accepted your gayness and came out of the closet.  Be proud of your gaiety, Whooter!  It's OK!  You're here, you're queer, we're used to it.........

Bruce, try to keep the attacks to the proper thread.  I know you love to attack me over lies all the time, but the forum rules state you need to stay on topic.  Try not to ruin the experience for other readers just because you are having gay issues again.  If you didn't quit HLA after two weeks they could have helped you with those issues.



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Aww, Whootie, there's no need for you to deny WHO you are and try to hide the truth.  It's OK.....no one gives a damn about your sexuality.  It's OK to be gay, Whooter.  We accept you, and it really saddens us to see you so frustrated and obviously struggling to accept yourself as the gay man you are.  Be proud of your homosexuality, Whooter!  There's nothing to be gained by hiding from it, or your desires to sodomize young Phillipino boys.  It's OK with us that you are gay.  

Stop hanging out in the closet, Whootie, you'll feel so much better once you've admitted to everyone that you secretly desire an unnatural relationship with me, bNone-ya, and Robt. Bruce (probably all at once).  No one's gonna hate on you, in fact, it would be quite the opposite.  We accept you for the gay man that you are, with the only caveat being that we don't really approve of you having forcible gay sex with the boys you send to programs.  Consensual, and with adults= OK.  Non-consensual, with minors = Bad Whootie.


Hope that helps.
Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: Wh??ter on July 07, 2011, 11:57:43 AM
Bruce, try to keep the attacks to the proper thread. I know you love to attack me over lies all the time, but the forum rules state you need to stay on topic. Try not to ruin the experience for other readers just because you are having gay issues again. If you didn't quit HLA after two weeks they could have helped you with those issues.



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Title: Re: VICTORY CHRISTIAN ACADEMY JAY FLORIDA
Post by: tulip on March 23, 2012, 11:23:07 AM
That is really great academy, one of mine friend got his degree from this academy and I really feel the difference b/w him and me...