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Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on October 15, 2004, 03:29:00 PM
I went to Cascade school until it shut down. It doesn't appear all of you have the correct message so i will give you the rundown. One weekend the kids got fed up and planned. Monday they went straight from school to their dorms about 20 of 120 people did not participate and the girls wsent over to the guys dorms in bras and skirts. Then they all just sat and chilled playing music and shit.  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy: give me a call at 925-381-3752 and we can chat about how fucked up Cascade is or if you have any questions
Title: Cascade School
Post by: SinfullyHoly194 on November 05, 2004, 09:36:00 PM
i knew this girl named Sara who came from Cascade right before i graduated CHS... and my god she was such a fucking bitch... and the story she told me was way different than what you posted... also, she's a little slutty cunt and she was fat and stupid and had no life and was a LIAR!!! have a fabulous day.... :grin:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on February 18, 2005, 09:25:00 PM
Hey i knew that girl. Yup u are totally right i hated that fucking bitch.........your cool!
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2005, 04:24:00 AM
I went to Cascade twice. Yes, twice. The first time I was there it was stict as hell, and by the time I got sent back it was really different. No one followed any of the rules, and the staff had pretty much given up. I fell lucky though, as I got to watch the school go from stable to barely above water. There's nothing like seeing something you hate fail miserably.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2005, 11:02:00 AM
Anyone know where Michael Allgood ended up this time?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on February 25, 2005, 04:28:00 PM
Hopefully in jail. I heard he was embezelling money from the school the whole time, then when someone found out, he gave the assets to his boyfreind as a 'gift' so that he couldn't be busted for it. I heard that  all the founding staff at Cascade were in on it.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: RositaCB on February 26, 2005, 01:20:00 PM
I went to Cascade for 22 months and it was hard and I hated it most of the time that I was stuck there, but that school did a lot for me and most of the people there were amazing.  I dont regret going there and I wouldnt change my experience if could.  I am sorry that it closed down in the middle of some people's stay and I wish it was still open. For those of you who are negative about your time there, I think you need to see that yes, it had flaws, but it was also an amazing place when it was in its prime. It saved me from a lifetime of insecurity and unhealthy relationships.  I would not be where I am in life today if I hadnt had that experience. So hate Cascade if you want, but you really should take time to think of the good things it had, how safe it could feel, how amazing the workshops were, and what incredible people we met there. I dont believe for a second that the school closed down because of that stupid story, even if it did happen like you say, so get a life and stop saying bullshit about Cascade.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: damanamanit on March 01, 2005, 01:13:00 PM
Cascade was an EXPERIENCE. The friends I made there I would still do anything for. The program was fundamentally fucked up and some of the staff there had NO business being around children!
You are entitled to your opinion as anyone else is. As far as not talking about things that maybe you were UNAWARE of, sit back and STFU...many people were abused..you don't like the perception of their experience, don't read it.

PS: I'll speak about Cascade any way I see fit. I don't need or want your permission.  :lol:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 01, 2005, 03:24:00 PM
when i was at a her new program she acted like a total whore did she do this at cascade
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 02, 2005, 02:19:00 AM
Don't come on here and tell us not to bitch about Cascade. If you had a good experience, then fine. But if you're going to talk about all the good it did you then maybe you should mention what you did after you got out. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: hollenkrepp on March 08, 2005, 05:50:00 PM
I will come here and speak my mind. I graduated Cascade after 26 months. for more than two thirds of my stay i was on dishes and maybe not for the best reasons but it made me a better person for it. For those of you who were cut off from finishing the program i am truly sorry that you will miss out on you symposium. I did, during my stay feel the breaking down of cascade as the power of the school went from the founders hands to new people who did not understand the heart of what was being done. There was no embesling on michael allgood's part but i understand that people like to have a scape goat. and for those of you who critize the program without finishing it then you understand nothing of what the program has to offer, and to those of you who did finish you have forgotten your statement and are living with that constant choice  :flame:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2005, 06:14:00 PM
Oh man someone snuff this bitch. She is definitely the same person who constantly got you kicked off ski trips and the likes because she's a no good, brainwashed, staff-wannabe snitch of a pull up queen
Title: Cascade School
Post by: dniceo7 on March 08, 2005, 06:17:00 PM
Yeah - save the righteous bullshit for cedualumni.com - good to hear you enjoyed your experience. I didn't.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: damanamanit on March 09, 2005, 02:20:00 AM
Well Missy, you've done it again....
As for your 'symposium,' kiss my ass! It was called the Summitt when I was there and puss ass bitches like you were kept on dishes by people like me because you enjoyed fucking with the weak at their expense.
I did NOT deserve to be betrayed. I didn't deserve the foul treatment for leaving the school after being violated by a high ranking staff member, it happened and I live with the mess that it created in my life everyday.
You on the other hand continue to discredit and devalue you those who didn't have their head up their ass as far as you.
Take what ever it was that it gave you and rotate. :flame:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2005, 04:31:00 PM
Holy shit! SHannon Greenberg???? Hey i was there when the school got shut down? Hows it going?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2005, 04:47:00 PM
hollinkrepp, yet another poor deluded cedu convert. i really want to feel sorry for her, but it's hard because she's so stupid.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 16, 2005, 07:08:00 PM
Sara came to my school too I hated her
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 22, 2005, 03:13:00 PM
did any one no shannon greenburg i did she was the biggest whore
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2005, 04:17:00 AM
i went to cascade i got kicked out fuck that inner child shit
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2005, 04:19:00 AM
paula rudy was there and she was a fat whore and carl the kid photographer from ant the only tru survivor got kicked out
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 25, 2005, 04:41:00 AM
i went to cascade got kicked out after almost whole program never got to me truth....youty...friends.... ps paul u r a copout genius ny murphy st.kitts peace partner over and out ant
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2005, 01:12:00 AM
i went there in 83 it was nuts
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2005, 02:24:00 AM
DAMN HOW DID I MISS THE ORGY. I FUCKING MISSED OUT. I DID THE TOUR BUT ENDED UP AT CEDU HS.  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 26, 2005, 02:57:00 AM
was it sara webb? My name is will and I led the rebellion that shut down cascade. There were not 120 kids, only about 40 and 25 of us refused. it was cool. What is your name whoever posted there phone # with the 925 area code?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 30, 2005, 12:37:00 AM
Your fucking brainwashed still? Use your head and create your owm fucking opinions. They can't mindfuck you anymore. Really. It is o.k. to not agree with the school. Nobody can call you into a forum. I feel sorry for you. The world is a much better place when you see it without your Cascade blinders on. You need help!!!!
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 04, 2005, 01:30:00 AM
Hey WIll, Wasnt that rebellion fun? Oh yeah and the person with the 925 area code is Tuna.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Shantron on April 05, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
Seriously, this is Shannon Adsero from cascade.

And Kyle (tuna) who posted this topic has it all wrong.

Anyways, I'm just wondering who here was actually AT Cascade when it closed down? I was there, and I'm wondering about the people who left and how they're doing.

I remember you Will, Kyle and Sara Webb plus Shannon Greenberg two girls I was not particularly fond of.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2005, 08:53:00 PM
Hi all,  I've just read this forum subject while trying to research Cascade school and would like the benefit of anyone's opinion.

Paula Rudy was mentioned along with other staff and actually it is her I'm interested in scoping.  A friend is about to hire her as an educational consultant and I'd just like to know if anyone who knew her considers her an honest person.
(she ain't cheap and there's a situation requiring someone in that field)
Her reference was from Cascade school(Michael Allgood)
         

I see everyone doesn't agree on the subject but there's enough to make me wonder

I also would like to know if there are any decent schools of that type that anyone is aware of.  I read about one where you can learn to fly a plane if you play straight but are any worth the outrageous unbelievable monthly charge which two average employed people don't even make???

Anyway, personal violations, embezzling, that sort of thing makes me wonder if the news article about them shutting down because a lot of students left after vacation and they couldn't afford to run the school anymore because of it - -sounds like a phoney line.  

I'm thankful for the opinion of anyone who's got the scoop on Paula Rudy - -like I said, a lot of money and other stuff riding on hiring her.
Thanks, Kelly J.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Antigen on April 06, 2005, 10:01:00 PM
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Title: Cascade School
Post by: iknowcedulies on April 07, 2005, 03:42:00 PM
[ This Message was edited by:  on 2005-12-26 16:34 ]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on May 05, 2005, 01:42:00 AM
I'm not sure where you got your info, but no one ever got tied down at Cascade. I hated that place, but none of the staff ever restrained kids. As for Paula... She's a bit of a nut, and will talk about the "importance" of schools like Cascade and the Brown schools. She's very into spiritual stuff like group singing and chanting and "vision quests". She's very weird. I would definately NOT hire her as an ed. consultant. Find someone else. Look up Jannet Spires in Lake Forest, IL. She's really good and actually knows what goes on at these schools. She knew Cascade was going downhill and told me that after 1999 she never reffered ANYBODY to Cascade because of the shady things surrounding their finances and the emotional state of the kids after they got out.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: iknowcedulies on May 06, 2005, 01:42:00 PM
[ This Message was edited by:  on 2005-12-26 16:36 ]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on May 14, 2005, 05:27:00 AM
Umm... Michael Allgood is gay. I don't think he was ever married. When I was at the school he definately had a boyfriend.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: bloodpotato on June 19, 2005, 02:35:00 AM
tuna's gay
greenberg's gay

laver fucking rules...
by the way...cascade blows too but I want to go back...so much less boring than real world...if only I brought pot onto campus.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2005, 03:38:00 PM
ANYONE WHO WAS EVER A STUDENT OR STAFF OR WHO ATTENDED CASCADE OR WAS AN ORGANIZER OR PARTICIPANT IN THE FINAL REFUSAL:

I am compiling data from all students, staff, from every conceivable side in order to make a feature film of Cascade. I am entirely aware of the gambit of emotions from those who loved Cascade and those who hated it. Anyone who is interested in providing valuable information via email is urged to contact me at [email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
[email protected] (http://mailto:[email protected])
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2005, 08:01:00 PM
ANYONE WHO WAS EVER A STUDENT OR STAFF OR WHO ATTENDED CASCADE OR WAS AN
ORGANIZER OR PARTICIPANT IN THE FINAL REFUSAL:

I am compiling data from all students, staff, from every conceivable side in
order to make
a feature film of Cascade. I am entirely aware of the gambit of emotions from
those who
loved Cascade and those who hated it. Anyone who is interested in providing
valuable
information via email is urged to contact me at cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com -
A
selected portion from those from both sides who wish to be part of this research
may be
asked to offer documentary style commentary in the film or possibly even be a
member of
the cast in the future production of this project.

Share your views and stories and I will respect your anonymity - and yes I of
course was a
student there. I also urge specifically those who were instrumental in the last
months and
days of Cascade and who participated in the drug induced orgy that clearly ended
the
school to come forth and speak the truth. I also equally invite any who felt
they found
themselves and experienced the deepest love to share their stories of discovery
and peace.
Do not fear anything and share with me your angels and demons.

EMAIL ME:
cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com
cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com
cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on June 24, 2005, 08:02:00 PM
ATTENTION ALL CASCADE SURVIVORS...

ANYONE WHO WAS EVER A STUDENT OR STAFF OR WHO ATTENDED CASCADE OR WAS AN
ORGANIZER OR PARTICIPANT IN THE FINAL REFUSAL:

I am compiling data from all students, staff, from every conceivable side in
order to make
a feature film of Cascade. I am entirely aware of the gambit of emotions from
those who
loved Cascade and those who hated it. Anyone who is interested in providing
valuable
information via email is urged to contact me at cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com -
A
selected portion from those from both sides who wish to be part of this research
may be
asked to offer documentary style commentary in the film or possibly even be a
member of
the cast in the future production of this project.

Share your views and stories and I will respect your anonymity - and yes I of
course was a
student there. I also urge specifically those who were instrumental in the last
months and
days of Cascade and who participated in the drug induced orgy that clearly ended
the
school to come forth and speak the truth. I also equally invite any who felt
they found
themselves and experienced the deepest love to share their stories of discovery
and peace.
Do not fear anything and share with me your angels and demons.

EMAIL ME:
cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com
cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com
cascaderesearch @ hotmail.com
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Robin Kilwine on July 06, 2005, 12:13:00 AM
Who is this, and how do you know what went down at the refusal?  I was a part of it.  I'm Robin Kilwine, e mail me at [email protected]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 23, 2005, 01:49:00 AM
:cool:  :cool:  :cool:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2005, 02:50:00 PM
my son went to cascade from 94-95.  why did the school close?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
what was the final refusal?  i went to cascade 94-95
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 06:54:00 PM
Cascade School   PO Box 9 Whitmore 96096   (530)-472-3031 by Elizabeth Ashley FInsthwait


             I'm not sure where you got your info, but no one ever got tied down at Cascade. I hated that place, but none of the staff ever restrained kids. As for Paula... She's a bit of a nut, and will talk about the "importance" of schools like Cascade and the Brown schools. She's very into spiritual stuff like group singing and chanting and "vision quests". She's very weird. I would definitely NOT hire her as an ed. consultant. Find someone else. Look up Jannet Spires in Lake Forest, IL. She's really good and actually knows what goes on at these schools. She knew Cascade was going downhill and told me that after 1999 she never referred ANYBODY to Cascade because of the shady things surrounding their finances and the emotional state of the kids after they got out.
Write Soon! http://www.dougjuenke.com (http://www.dougjuenke.com)
Paula is a good person, though, she honestly was and I do believe that she cares a lot for the person in front of her at the time she is in life and going to be in to know a person.  She had a lot of people to teach at Cascade and interesting experiences from her schooling before Cascade as a person who wished to learn.  I miss her stories and liked her, although not always her information...So, perhaps in the society that we life today, some sort of a person as Paula is someone that might be called a nut.  She is also someone who represents that sort of emotional directness and honesty that is not common to people "out there."

  I did not like my time living at Cascade School in Whitmore, California, at all.  But who did?  We were not there to like it.  Remember who was sent there?  Remember how much you changed?  Remember the truth, youth, friends, sisters, brothers, Imagine, and other workshops?  Who liked doing all the looking at life from an emotional standpoint at the time?  WE were only doing out the best we could.  It was terribly difficult for our families as well.  We each did the best that we would at the time.  I do think that Paula is the same as us.  She also was kind to me at times, like in a forum once.

   Although there is a real reward system set up for people to do well, it is an extremely difficult state of mind to continue in after leaving the place.  Paula seems to be a person that is willing to help some. I liked her.  I liked Paula Rudy.  We were not at all close and sometimes she stated information that hurt my feelings, and we were not too encouraged to let people know when they hurt feelings.  Her sort of honesty is that of which is considered honest at Cascade.  She is someone who spoke her feelings as true to everything.  I cannot say anything bad about Paula Rudy, it is not correct in my mind to do.  Sure, she and I are and were not close.  She impacted the lives of many a person at the school.  I guess I am not one of the ones that she impacted in a directly real daily positive way.  So, Cascade is not a place where anyone was ever tied down, when I was there. Never, it was not and the founders are very good people as far as I can remember.  I miss lots of people who were there when I was in the 90's.  It was an intense program and helped me and a lot of others to believe in themselves and make some valuable changes in life at the time.    Rumor still has it that things happened at the school that I do not know about today, like the "shady" things done with money.  Sure.  I do not know that there were not things done like that.  I still miss the people who I loved and some of the teachers.  Art Tillis, Stan who thought zoology, the chemistry teacher Lou who knew Albert Einstein, Lisa Horn, and more people who I became friends with.  No, the financial information I do not remember, but I do not know that the people were not good.  Some might have easily become corrupt financially.  I wish that Eric VOn Meltzer would or could have stopped the whole mess, if he knew about the mess that the school was also in.  Golly, what a person that people liked.  We each had faculty who we called friends.  I miss so many of those people.  Art Tillis.  His wife.  The list goes on.  Ya know?    never knew were happening.  I wish that they never happened.  I really do.  I missed out on the gossip there and so now I am out on my own and it is terribly difficult to be here with the learning of Cascade.  I miss the school tremendousllly; it sought to teach us so many important and vital lessons.  it was too black and white for me, though.  I look back and wish that I had been thought that I was not to be the only RIGHT one in life.  I learned there that I was right and could not and would not listen to the people who loved me and wished to also share information with me.  I miss that place, Cascade, as much as I hated it at the time then, I miss it now.  I really do, those people came closer than family to me.  I miss the school a whole great deal more than anything else in the world.  I miss my family and others.   That place will always be a part of my life and heart.  So will Andy Schiell.  He was my first friend there.  And in the last months, he is perhaps the one who came closest to the truth in a forum when he indicted me.  I miss Andy tremendously and will do all I can to not harm anyone in life who ever harmed him intentionally.   Andy was most importantly the one person that was my first friend there, even though we did not spend much time in the end.  I do miss Andy and regret not calling him when my mind told me to. Lauri Funk is my best friend from those days.  I miss her friendship, too, (long story)
  ellizabeth ashley finsthwait [email protected]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 06:59:00 PM
Can people from my time please repy to let me know who you are?  I really miss the place and would love to be in contact with people.  Thank you very much. THank you all for being my friends. WHo is writing in the site now?  I am not a member of this site, or whatever it is asking for us to be.  Just had lots of dreams aoubt Cascade, today.

Ashley Finsthwait - going by Elizabeth now

 [email protected]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 07:10:00 PM
hi, this is Elizabet Ashley Finsthwait.  i went to Cascade and remember no orgy or anything when I as there.  Un, ran into someone in Texas at my school who went to cedu.  He told me that cedu was un-over, also.  WHat is going on?    Please e-mail me.  I would like to not be annonymous.  WHat is going on?  SUre, Cascade is not 100% pure, what is?  Well, i do not know what all this information is aboout, all this Machael ALlgood and all the infirmation here.  I really am confused.  not ashamed to admit that i am confused, either.  Um, also, who are you?  I honestly wish to know the truth.  knowing the truth is what is good for me, usually.  Um, what is going on with you?  I live in Atlnata, Ga and in Buckhead.  Please contact me by e-mail if I do not contact you.  Thank you.  I was a student, also.     [email protected]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 07:22:00 PM
Hi. WHat is all this about Cascade?  Honest, I know noting about the inf. i went to Cascade/  I do not wish to gossip, what is true?   you know, i went there.  it was difficult, but i understand your points, nothing lik eseeing something you hate going down..but there were some real good people among me,when i went there.  plese contact me. [email protected] that is my passwrod on this site, too.  elizabeth Ashley Fisntwhati
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 31, 2005, 08:03:00 PM
please contact me.  -Elizabeth Ashley FInsthwait [email protected]  thank you.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: dracosun on August 02, 2005, 04:22:00 PM
I went to Cascade in 99.  I was the only student to ever run away twice and make it to San Fran both times, I stole a car to get there the first time, may be you've heard of me... anyway snaps to you for shutting that hell hole down.  All the brainwashing and the bullshit...I couldn't have stayed there for two years.  Tell me about the rebellion if you can, I am so interested.  


I am kind of pissed at you, because I had always had this plan to one day go after Cascade and to get all the fuckers that worked there and sue the pants off of them.  I was going to take pleasure in rendering all those hapless fucks unemployed and possibly in prison for their sick ways.  Forums, workshops, and the general rules that make up that place had to be in violation of some sort of law.  I only went through one workshop, the first one I can't even remember the name of it, but what a bunch of crap...0
Title: Cascade School
Post by: dracosun on August 02, 2005, 04:42:00 PM
I agree...

Here's a rundown of what happened to the people I stayed in contact with WHO GRADUATED THE PROGRAM after they left cascade...  five of them got back on drugs, one of them joined a religious cult claiming that Paula Rudy had helped her
"find herself spirituality", one guy ended up hiding another girl who had run away from Cascade and keeping her at his Pepperdine dorm room for a few weeks until they found her, two other girls are now pregnant out of wedlock (probably had their babies by now), and Marianna Akre died in a car accident.
Yes, so many many great things come from this program...
Title: Cascade School
Post by: dracosun on August 02, 2005, 05:51:00 PM
what a crazy place...
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on August 12, 2005, 06:32:00 PM
i dont know you, and i was only at cascade for just under 3 months, but i just want to say you are correct about paula rudy and she's a dirty whore and i hope she gets aids and falls out of a helicopter.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on August 12, 2005, 06:50:00 PM
would someone please tell me exactly what happened on the last day of cascade? how did it close and what led up to it??? went there briefly in 98, did my best to shut it down, but at the time it seemed like everybody there was a zombie and i was the only one who hated it. i know i did some damage and am proud in the fact that  went on to wreak havoc in the cedu system. somebody please tell me what happened to cascade?????????
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2005, 03:56:00 AM
IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER SHANNON...HOW WAS SHE A SLUT? WAS SHE FUCKING A BUNCH OF DUDES?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2005, 04:05:00 AM
Also, what is the connection between CEDU/RMA staff and Cascade? I could never get the story straight. And which staff was it again?

I remember some staff leaving when I was there and I heard that they went to work for Cascade, but I have never seen their names mentioned in connection with that school.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on September 09, 2005, 04:09:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-09-09 01:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Also, what is the connection between CEDU/RMA staff and Cascade? I could never get the story straight. And which staff was it again?



I remember some staff leaving when I was there and I heard that they went to work for Cascade, but I have never seen their names mentioned in connection with that school."


Oh guess I should have mentioned, I was at RMA in the 80s when the staff left. Wasn't there something about RMA staff founding that school? Who founded it? I googled online and couldn't find dick about it. (Probably because it's closed now.)
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Shantron on September 15, 2005, 12:58:00 AM
Quote
On 2005-09-09 00:56:00, Anonymous wrote:

"IF ANY OF YOU REMEMBER SHANNON...HOW WAS SHE A SLUT? WAS SHE FUCKING A BUNCH OF DUDES?"


Wow, this is Shannon Adsero, I'm seriously hoping you're not talking about me.  Because I was never romantically involved with anyone at cascade.

And if you're talking about Shannon Greenberg, that makes no sense because no one would fuck her.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Shantron on September 15, 2005, 01:02:00 AM
Here, I wrote and posted this on the myspace cascade group, I was there at the refusal, and this is the most acurate account of what happened that I can provide:

 mean there's really not much to say.
Day One: basically all the girls went to the girls dorm, then all the boys went to the boys dorm. We decided we were just going to stay there, and we spent a little while staring at the clock, anxiously anticipating every next minute that would pass by. Finally about five minutes after forums had start Mary(I think that was the one that came) came up to the girls dorms we were all lounging in one wing half dressed.

She pretty much begged us to come to forums. A few of us (myself included) spoke up and told her just exactly what we thought about the oppression of the school. And that we pretty much wanted them to start treating us like humans rather than paychecks. She left looking like she had just heard her dog died, or something.

After that we decided.. Hey! Why not go OVER to the boys dorm? That way we're united as a cause. I mean we went out on the front porch of our dorm and the boys were across the way waving at us. So we just mosied on over. First of all, the boys dorms were way nicer than ours I though. Like what the hell? They piss on the bathroom walls and their dorm was still cooler. So we all went over and basically about 25-28 people were in the two wings of.. Emmerson, I think was the dorm i could be wrong.

We were just lounged out on beds, couches, the floor whatever. I believe a few people were snuggling up, more power to them. A couple of boys decided they were just going to walk down to the general store in Whitmore and get some cigarettes. (By now we were all happily weilding the concealed cash we'd been hoarding) And they left. After awhile Eric Melzer came up to the boys dorm in tears. Again and again we were begged to quit what we were doing, or consequences would be harsh, blah blah blah.

I think we did a pretty good job of staying stoic. After that pretty much all hell broke loose. I mean, I didn't think it was that chaotic but that's when people started sleeping together, and when we went up to the dining hall and demanded food. Basically they started kicking people out(11 were kicked out in all, I believe) and threatening the rest of us. One by one, people started to drop out of the "so called rebellion" in an attempt to save ourselves I guess.

Of course, that only lasted untill the sun went down. All the girls got dressed up in our "illegal" clothes (strappy tanks oo la la) and put on make up that a couple of people had also been hoarding, all the while using our handy dandy, highly illegal straighteners, hahah. And then we all caravanned over to the boys dorm again. Some more people slept together, some more got kicked out. I'm pretty sure the night watch people were joking around with us. Like they didn't care much that we were going to be the ones indirectly responsible for the loss of their jobs.

I went back pretty early. I had different types of interests than most of the people there, so I hadn't really connected with a male beyond the level of friendship since I first got there, and I saw no reason to be around while girls preened their feathers and got ready to engage in sexuall intercourse. Anywho I went back and stumbled into bed, really. Then, a couple of hours later a friend of mine JUMPED into my bed and told me that she'd been there the whole time. Then kim came shortly after and interrogated us but nothing came of it.

Then, the next day we started a new block of school, and I think most people decided to just go. Me and my close group of friends were pretty down because some people we really loved got kicked out. Things pretty much proceeded like that for exactly one week, we had no forums, nothing. Until monday came, the day during which we thought we'd all be moving up, etc , etc. I was returning from a medical run, and when I got back I noticed that EVERYONE was gathered in the house.

The teachers, staff, students, everyone. Barb Cass was perched rather precariously upon the carpeted stoop looking grave. That's when she chose to tell us that Cascade would be closing down. I mean everyone including the people who worked there found out the school was closing at the same time. It was pretty horrible. I just remember people in tears all around.. It's funny really because you never expect to be sad that it's happening I guess. Sad that you're going to be losing people you love sooner than you thought.

We had seven days to be gone. A few girls left that day. And others left over the process. It was pretty sad I had a birthday while it was occuring and found that I had only a few friends left to share it with. We pretty much had free reign then, just watching movies all day, boys were aloud into the girls dorm, we had stereos etc, etc. I think people just gave up.

It was horrible to watch everyone leave, but I'm glad it happened. I don't think the school was really helping people out that much at all, but hey that's my personal opinion. I made some fantastic friends and connections there that I will never forget. But I know that afterwards, I ended up in a better place then I would have, had I stayed.


anyways if you have any other questions feel free to email me at:

[email protected]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on September 15, 2005, 02:18:00 AM
When was that?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: wiseup on September 15, 2005, 02:24:00 PM
Title: Cascade School
Post by: jrsusmc on September 22, 2005, 12:10:00 AM
I was a student at cascade 1993-1994.  Is there anyone out here that was there the same time frame as me?  I spent 6 days short of 13 months there.  (Not that I was counting or anything.)Get back to me if you think you remember me.  I was in left wing hughes dorm at first , but I was switched my my counsler bill mcnight because I was on bans with upper school and below.  So I was switched to right wing pendragon.  I left december of 1994.  I went through truth, youth, friends, brothers and trek.  Get back to me if you were there that same time.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on September 23, 2005, 04:26:00 AM
why do you say no one would fuck her?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on October 18, 2005, 03:30:00 PM
For the person looking for others that were there 93-94, you didn't put your name so I'm not sure if I knew you ? I was there 92-94

Lori Funk
[email protected]
Title: Cascade School
Post by: jrsusmc on October 19, 2005, 12:07:00 AM
Jon Sandell is my name.  Who did you know that went there around the same time we did?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: sga86 on October 25, 2005, 03:50:00 AM
When i was at CHS, just before i got sent to Ascent, there was this gurl.. i forgot her name, but she came because Cascade was shut-down. Then when i was in NWA, there was this Sara in my group #27, and in group #25 was Will both from cascade after it was shutdown. I think they were bf-gf at the time and both were on ban from each other. So my questions is what happened? how did Cascade shutdown??
Title: Cascade School
Post by: dniceo7 on October 25, 2005, 11:07:00 AM
Someone who was actually there told the whole story in one of the posts here about Cascade...can't remember what it was called though. Sounds like everybody just started refusing to do anything. Then a bunch of them just started nailin' each other and snorting their meds, staff announced the place was shutting down, and people just went home or got shipped off again.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2005, 02:53:00 PM
Regarding Paula Rudy-

If I recall correctly, she was a tiny, anorexic-looking woman. I rememeber her complaining to a student that she was considering getting her non-existent thighs liposuctioned. I wouldn't trust anyone from Cascsade as a education consultant. I doubt any of the staff members had academic backrounds in education of child psychology. They mostly struck me as social misfits (at best) and child molesters. I was very young when I went to Cascade, and I was expelled shortly thereafter. I was probably te youngest student there. I had never smoked marajuana or indulged in alcohol. The whole experience, while short, was infinatly traumatic. I'm about to turn 26, and even though I'm married, have two lovely children, and a great husband, Cascade is always "with me" so to speak.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2005, 03:12:00 PM
Who are you? I was there for two months in the beginning of '94. I was 13. I was with..let's see...David Freedlander, some Lithuanian dude, and a bunch of others who's names have slipped my mind. My name is Susie. I was blonde, liked to read all the time, and eventually slashed my wrists so that they'd kick me out. I think I had a lot of acne, too. Does this ring a bell?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: jrsusmc on November 19, 2005, 07:28:00 PM
I got there a little after the lithuanian guy left.  I remember hearing stories about him though.  From Ryan Powell, and Dave williams.  My name is Jon.  I played soccer, and went fishing alot. I am from Ca. Susie huh?  Not ring'n a bell.  I do remember Dave freedlander though. What is your last name?  I still have my cascade school yearbook.  Are you in it?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2005, 11:53:00 AM
Does anyone know what happened to Michael Allgood?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: kathryn on November 21, 2005, 08:08:00 AM
No, but who was his boyfriend?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 24, 2005, 02:29:00 PM
I was at one time sugarpie :wink:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
I understand that many of us had varied experiences at Cascade, some not positive. Not every program works for everyone. Instead of bashing the school and going on an on about bullshit in terms of finances,  consider that the school helped many people in different ways. For some people, like myself, it gave me an awareness I had not had before. If anything it helped me form really strong friendships with people. Someone earlier in the posts talked about how the people she new were on drugs, or pregnant out of wedlock, and therefore this says something about the school. Cascade was not a place to get fixed. Almost all the poeple I know who graduated had a difficult time with drugs, or other behavior that was unhealthy. None of us are perfect, we all go back to old behaviors when we feel scared or confused or distressed. I dont believe anyone who has left cascade is perfect, we all make mistakes, and hopefully as we mature we learn from them. I went to Cascade in 96' and alot of my friends and people there had some really horrific or sad things happen to them in their life, just as I am sure the people who have written these angry posts have. You never get over your pain, it is a struggle every day to make the right choices and to do things that will make your life better. Rather than spending your time bashing cascade, put your energy into something else. We are only human. the couselors were not perfect, you are not perfect, and look at your experiences and learn something from them. Even if you hated Cascade, which you have the right to if you so choose, I am sure there were things, positive and unforgettable things, moments, that you will never forget. Cascade saved my life, and i'm sorry that other people did nothave the same positive experience. different things work for different people.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Troll Control on January 02, 2006, 04:06:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-02 12:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I understand that many of us had varied experiences at Cascade, some not positive. Not every program works for everyone. Instead of bashing the school and going on an on about bullshit in terms of finances,  consider that the school helped many people in different ways. For some people, like myself, it gave me an awareness I had not had before. If anything it helped me form really strong friendships with people. Someone earlier in the posts talked about how the people she new were on drugs, or pregnant out of wedlock, and therefore this says something about the school. Cascade was not a place to get fixed. Almost all the poeple I know who graduated had a difficult time with drugs, or other behavior that was unhealthy. None of us are perfect, we all go back to old behaviors when we feel scared or confused or distressed. I dont believe anyone who has left cascade is perfect, we all make mistakes, and hopefully as we mature we learn from them. I went to Cascade in 96' and alot of my friends and people there had some really horrific or sad things happen to them in their life, just as I am sure the people who have written these angry posts have. You never get over your pain, it is a struggle every day to make the right choices and to do things that will make your life better. Rather than spending your time bashing cascade, put your energy into something else. We are only human. the couselors were not perfect, you are not perfect, and look at your experiences and learn something from them. Even if you hated Cascade, which you have the right to if you so choose, I am sure there were things, positive and unforgettable things, moments, that you will never forget. Cascade saved my life, and i'm sorry that other people did nothave the same positive experience. different things work for different people. "


I guess being abused is good for some people.  For the vast majority, it isn't.  Who are you to say that these people haven't "moved on" from their experiences?  Did you ever stop to think that one purpose of posting here is to raise the awareness level of people who may potentially fall victim to the same abuse?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 04:51:00 PM
Rather than spending your time bashing cascade, put your energy into something else.>>>

rather than spend your energy evaluating the posters here and suggesting what they should do, put your energy into something else.
some DID learn something there, and they are attempting to share that with others, in a way that's meaningful to them, otherwise, they wouldn't use their time that way.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 08:00:00 PM
Cascade is a good School, get with it!
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 08:02:00 PM
Quote
On 2006-01-02 17:00:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Cascade is a good School, get with it!"


Oh!  Well that statement sure has convinced me!  I guess I don't really need to do any research on my own.  You've cleared up EVERYthing.   :roll:  :roll:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on January 02, 2006, 09:52:00 PM
Don't be rude you cocksucker
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on February 19, 2006, 12:32:00 AM
I know Jon Sandell!  i was at cascade from 95-97, graduated 97.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: jrsusmc on February 19, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
Sorry, this post lost
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 08, 2006, 01:23:00 PM
just wondering "Sara" who? I was in hell from 1991 to 1993. I am a Sara but not a fucking slut liar. Just wondering. Can someone please tell me WHY Cascade close (other than it sucked for all of us) thanks. Sara SHandrew [email protected] :???:  :???:
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on March 15, 2006, 12:08:00 AM
Don't know if you'll get this.  It was a post from a while back.

Wow.  I am really concerned and sorry that you had a staff member violate you, though it doesn't surprise me.

I'm sure it doesn't help much, but I feel for you.  I am so so sorry.  

I don't ever comment on these things.  I just...I really am upset that this happened to you, whoever you are.

My best wishes--'94-'97.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: jrsusmc on March 17, 2006, 01:12:00 AM
You know ME?  Jon Sandell?  Who is this?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 01, 2006, 12:35:00 AM
I was at cascade from 03-04...  Anyone from that era
visiting this forum?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Sentinel on April 03, 2006, 11:59:00 PM
Quote
On 2005-09-09 01:05:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Also, what is the connection between CEDU/RMA staff and Cascade? I could never get the story straight. And which staff was it again?




this thread talks about how Cascade got started.  it sounded to me like Michael Allgood and Eric Melzer got into some sick twisted shit at CEDU and needed a fresh start someplace new.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?So ... 2&forum=11 (http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?Sort=U&topic=5332&forum=11)

Also, i understand how the revolution was the nail in the coffin for the school, but how did it go from  having an almost full school at 120-150 students to just 40 right before the mass refusal?

i've read rumors of out of court molestation settlements and educational consultants strongly maligning the school.  anyone know for sure why there was such a huge lack of new students?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 06, 2006, 06:42:00 PM
Well I got pulled out of the program a few months before the school shut down.  So I saw the school go from 150 to less than 80.  I think I remember being at less than 60 or so for a short time and we got a new group of 10-15 kids in a two week timespan.

It was a hot topic around the school.  Everyone always said... "The school has seen this before.  It's just a phase.  With a small school its bound to happen."  Another explanation was the burst in the dot com bubble.  The economy was slumping and families didnt have as much money.

Shortly after I got there a lot of kids got kicked out or pulled after the school learned of kids stealing meds and other kids copped out to having sex/whatever.  

Some staff left suddenly at times too.  I think one guys name was Dwayne... He was bald and one day he just didnt work there anymore.  The rumor was having to do with sexual harassment.

I remember one meeting were Michael Allgood started talking about money.  I mean... he started off the meeting by talking about emotional growth and the school and everything... than he started talking a bout money.  It was very strange and many kids couldnt believe that this guy was talking to us about... money?  It seemed that many staff were not in tune with the values of the school.  Or maybe the school had only but a sliver of the values it once had.  I certainly noticed a difference in the emotional growth work from when I first arrived until I left.  People seemed to not care as much... to be bitter and detached from the school.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 03:50:00 PM
I just stumbled onto this forum while looking for the school's website.  I went to Cascade from 88-90.  I need for someone who went to cascade in 04 to please explain what happened.  How did Cascade crumble in a week?  How? Why?  From what I've read in this forum respect for counselors and staff was completely absent.  Will someone please explain!
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 18, 2006, 03:59:00 PM
Cascade
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 21, 2006, 07:44:00 PM
He was married to Danielle Allgood but they got a divorce sometime during my stay (88-91).  She remained a counselor for a few months and then left.  I ran into her a few years ago.  Didn't seem very happy...

I've heard she recently died of cancer.

Michael was known as gay during my stay there.  Whether or not that is why they got divorced I don't know, but it was definitely whispered about a lot.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2006, 01:47:00 PM
i was at cascade from 98 to 99, i am desperate to find someone who can remember the horror of that place. if anyone wants to help me out please call me. this is not a joke i need help remembering please call

347.374.6342 ask for Maya
Title: Cascade School
Post by: maya on April 29, 2006, 02:28:00 PM
i went to cascade had my life ruined by paula rudy, i was super bans. i need someone to talk to about this if you can find it in your heart please pick up the phone and call me my number is 914.490.2730 my name is Maya. i want to try to remember. please

A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela

Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on April 29, 2006, 08:50:00 PM
What up this is Andrew H. Grats to the folk who got that place closed it was a long time coming.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Sentinel on May 02, 2006, 12:18:00 AM
are you Maya C.?  i went to SUWS idaho right before cascade and u got transfered to my group a day before we graduated.  you were getting sent to Tranquility Bay or Provo Canyon right?

cascade was a scary place, im still remembering stuff too.  the workshops were the worst part, i still have nightmares about the millhouse.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Jonathan Daniels on May 10, 2006, 01:22:00 PM
I graduated from Cascade in 2000 - how do I get a copy of my transcripts now that the school is closed?  Thanks to anyone who can help me.  I have been in a out of jail and rehab since Cascade - finally trying to get my shit together and away from the hard drug scene - wish me luck
Jonathan
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2006, 12:54:00 AM
I just went through the same thing re: transcripts when applying to go back to school, I want you to talk to the people at Shasta County Schools:


Shasta Union High School District
2200 Eureka Way, Suite B
Redding, CA 96001
Telephone: 530/241-3261
Ask for Susan at extension 10513

I think you graduated right afdter me (94?), so most likely they'll put you in touch with Ken Collins, as our transcripts were never put into a computer database.

Good luck!

Lesley Berndt (Katzen)
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2006, 05:29:00 PM
Anyone talked to Michael?  Is he still at Cascade?
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on May 23, 2006, 07:45:00 PM
Cascade has closed and apparently the property has been sold.
Michael Algood is living a "normal" ish life in the Bay Area.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: LIBERAL on July 08, 2006, 10:29:00 PM
Ya- I was there 93-94...got kicked out also.  Bill was my counsler for a while.  what is your name??
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on July 13, 2006, 02:24:39 AM
Allgood ?
Title: cascade
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2007, 01:14:06 PM
i went to cascade and i can honestly say  it did nothing but fuck me up worse. i think accepting your problems is one thing but having you face shoved in them dailey is another. i was one of the many who went back to ddrug after i left i also dropped out of college. acctually i got into harder drugs than i ever did before after i left. my relationships were horrible and i had mor eblow outs with my parents. it took me pulling my own shit together to get me where i am today. and i dont attribute any of my succes to that place.
Title: My Cascade Reflections
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2007, 09:07:28 AM
Reflections
An amazing symposium huh? I went thru that. They reengaged me emotionally in my worst childhood trauma and not surprisingly ? I flipped out. I think they were scared of the result and could not deal with me ? or stop what they started.
      I was dishes queen and fastest runner and no one has mentioned ?bands? how totally unconstitutional it was. To the pro-graduates, do you value your freedom or do you need a cult to dictate your actions in life? If people like having their freedom taken away then I guess it is their life choice.
    If you liked Cascade, do you enjoy being insulted just for the sake of breaking you down to your most sad and vulnerable state of being? Are you scared of life much? Then mind control is for you. Keep in mind your salvation school was closed for a good reason. It was a complete injustice to freedom of expression, for the mind body and spirit. It created lemmings. I feel for all of you who were hurt there. Your story should be told. I would be glad to help.
      About the bizarre music rules ? to this day music is my salvation and I need it. How dare Cascade tell me what musician I can and cannot mention? They had karmic payback for censoring the creative growth of kids. This is justice. Just for the record? I developed a broad music vocabulary anyway. Cascade taught me a lot about what the world is full of and set me on a direction of my own. A direction based on principle and freedom.
    Former anti-students - Viva la Revolution and I was so thankful to know the school went out of business. I feel for anyone who had to endure its mental torture, judgment and restrictions.
        Institutions like Cascade do not belong in America, or on Earth. The truth will be reveled and parents will eventually not dare do this sort of institutionalization to their children, if they love and care about them. Even if some confused board members think Cascade helped them, they are just scared of real life so they followed the shallow, restricted and insulting Cascade structure. We are blessed with freedom of choice. You are thanking an institution for taking that gift away? Well, it is your life but I think that is so sad. I hope you have good stories for your grandchildren, cowards. Good riddance Cascade!

PS: Jenny M., Please find me online and write!
Title: Cascade School
Post by: iknowcedulies on January 28, 2007, 08:26:40 PM
There  are  a  group  of   cascade  followers  who think  that  those who are not  happy   were not happy  before cascade.  

they think that  because  they  are  followers    the  rest  should  be  as  well.  

allgood   is   wanted  by   fbi  for   tax  evasion  and   lying  to  parents  ,  students  and   shasta county .  

if  anyone  knows where allgood  is     call  your  local  fbi  and  tell them  where he  is.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on January 29, 2007, 04:08:50 PM
I "heard" that Allgood was in California selling antiques and battling alcoholism.
Title: Cascade School
Post by: iknowcedulies on January 29, 2007, 10:40:48 PM
Allgood  may  be  in  bay area.  

Allgood always  preached  how  bad  alchohol  was  and  how  if  we did not listen to him  we  would  end  up  junkies.  

Cascade  was  nothing  but  a  money laundering  meth lab   and  those delusional  hypocrites who  follow him  are  worse  than  Yuppies  who  follow  George Bush.
Title: Hey
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2007, 06:17:48 AM
Hey everyone I went to Cascade in 99... ran away with Draco and the other two on new years and got kicked out the next day... I ended up going to wilderness (LOVED IT)... and then to New Haven Center in Utah (LOVED IT)...
Title: Can anyone tell me?
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2007, 06:44:59 AM
What happened at the symposium and the other top secret workshops???  Why couldn't anyone talk about them???
Title: Re: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 04, 2008, 03:05:42 PM
I was at Cascade from 94-95. What happened to the school? I was kicked out and sent to a school in Utah which helped me  alot. I am now 30 and have a very sucessful career. That school was completely twisted and i still have bad dreams about it. Good Riddens.
Title: Re: Cascade School
Post by: Bobinator on November 08, 2008, 03:41:21 AM
My contribution is long, but try to bear with me...

I went to Cascade in 1986.

I think I am one of the oldest people to post.

At the time that I was there the sessions were called Raps, and the 24 hour long sessions and beyond were called Celebrations.

The first "Celebration" was called, "The Truth". Once in the room, we were kept up all night, as I imagine you all were in the years following my short stay. They expected us to talk about masturbation and our first sexual experiences,if any. I distinctly remember Eric Melzer, (and there was a really large man there...I can't remember HIS name, but I believe he was removed after molesting a student....), having the boys talk about how long they lasted before they ejaculated in that first sexual encounter.

I do not believe that those topics are appropriate for group therapy for young people. What's worse, they belittled the boys by saying that if they lasted for any longer that a few seconds, than they were lying.  

That was my first inkling that something was amiss there.

My sister visited and burst into tears when I used the bizarre vocabulary that they generally forced on us. She knew something was wrong too.

I was considered "a bitch" for most of my stay there. When we were in our "Friends" celebration my whole "Family" had engaged in a ton of "inappropriate" behavior. I honestly had felt left out that I wasn't considered good enough by my peers to engage in dissident activities behind the "Mentors" backs. But I suppose it was for the best: I was more of a good kid, than I ever knew or was told, and that's part of the proof, I guess.  

I was yelled at the Rap that happened after our "outward Bound" because I had complained a lot about my feet. The hiking boots my parents had bought for me were stolen out of the barn? Or whatever the building was called by where they kept the sheep. Because I was basically an outcast there, no one believed me about the boots, and I did the entire Outward Bound in soft 80's Reebok's. I couldn't understand why people thought that I didn't get anything out of the trip, because how could ANYONE not get something out of being in the woods and hiking? (It had NOTHING to do with the program, however. I'm only human, and like the outdoors.)

It was right after "the Dreams" Celebration, when my "family" chided me for being an Artist. They accused me of doing art to escape. Perhaps they were right to some degree, but I don't regret being an artist, and I certainly did not then either, as I made that perfectly clear when I yelled back at all of those kids. They were getting so swayed by the Mentors. I do not blame the kids in my Family for trying their best to adapt to those situations, considering how hard the program was on all of our young minds. But when I yelled about how I would NEVER GIVE UP on doing what mattered most in my life, I felt a surge of individuation rise up in me. I was on "Indefinites" (dishes) after that, and a few weeks passed. One afternoon, when it was way after the Sunday brunch and I was the last kid in the kitchen doing pots and pans, I "refused" dishes. I was put on "bans" with the entire school.

I had heard the threats for how horrible Provo would be if any of us were to get kicked out. But at that point I didn't care anymore. I attended one more Rap where I was promptly screamed at because I had no longer held the title for being a bitch but then I had became an all out cunt. It hurt. How does it come to that, anyway? Is it not OK to be young and angry when you come from a totally dysfunctional family? Everyone there had veritable problems:  

I remember one girl really had to process having been molested. It had happened over and over to her for a long period of time, and she really needed to process. It was heartbreaking to hear about it in detail from her, and she seemed to be reliving it every time she talked about it. You know what they did to her? They told her to STOP COMPLAINING about it.

I remember another boy who was there from a Southern state and I think the only reason he was there was because his parents knew that he was gay. How the fuck is that ever OK to do to your kid? Worse things have happened in the world, but I knew that boy was a really healthy person. In fact, it seemed like A LOT, not all, but a lot of us had not done many risky things to be there.

I will admit that I had terrible anger problems, and very low self-esteem, and it was the best thing for me to be away from my family in a very structured  environment to be able to graduate high school, but Cascade was seriously fucked up and I am not in the least surprised that it eventually got shut down.

I did see the that the faculty and the scholastic curriculum were exceptional there. If I had stayed, it would have been one of the only good aspects. Even the constant work crews and chores were not the reason I became responsible later in life. If you force that stuff on kids they resent it. I do that stuff now, because I like to have a good life in my home, not simply because I am supposed to. So in the long term that had no bearing on becoming responsible.

One of the last things I also remember about Cascade before I joyfully departed to Heritage in Provo, (Maybe not joyfully, but I was certainly glad to get the fuck out, and Heritage let us listen to music, dress how we wanted, earn our privileges. It wasn't hard to behave for those freedoms.) , was Eric Melzer started dating an Alumni. She was 18 or 19 at the time, and I believe he was in his late 30's. I never heard what became of that, but that is just wrong. (It's legal, but not psychologically hale in such an institution.)

I wish I could remember the name of the huge man that was kicked out. I only found out about that when I ran into someone who had graduated. What did he do to the student, and was he ever legally penalized for what he did? Was the school? I'll probably never know because this thread is super old, and no one on here is from the same year that I was. But I wanted to contribute so that you younger folk can know that I too saw that there was sexual deviancy committed against the students.

For my own development, Cascade was a crowning moment that screamed in my face that my parents would rather pay to have their kid fixed by some quacks, as the kids in the school finished the job and screamed at me three times a week while the Mentors looked on and encouraged it. They always had the kids do a lot of the work for them. If there wasn't ACTUAL embezzlement going on, believe those of us who know something WAS wrong. How else does any institution save money?  You get others to do it for you, and they brainwashed the kids to boss each other around.  

The School was incredibly Cultist. The form of behavioral therapy that they used is pretty much defunct now, and rightly so. It was a phase of time from the sixties that started it all and it dwindled off into the time where some of you witnessed its downfall. You were lucky to be there at that time. If anyone wants to get haughty and moralistic about the orgiastic way that the dissidence occurred, I'd encourage you to rethink you judgment call. Many people build sexual alliances when they feel threatened. It is sometimes the only way to feel safe. That's basically what the baby boom was all about. And when the plague was so bad that the last rights were read to all of Europe, people fucked in the street and looted the shit out of it. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, its just a fact.

If anyone out there is scared and feels bad about their experiences in Cascade, it is OK to still seek out one-on-one healthy forms of Psychotherapy. It's not a cult, it's not giving in, and a real therapist would never tell you that you're a piece of shit for talking about what upsets you. I'm still on the road to recovery, and it's been a long one, before AND after Cascade, but I am a much happier person today for taking the step to help myself and find joy in life, even if I had to fight for it. Even if I sometimes had to fight for it within myself.

I wish the best for all of you, and congratulate you on surviving the School. Some of us didn't make it after we got out. I heard that lawsuits that took out the school, may have been connected to suicide brought on by abuses within the school. I have not found out for sure yet, and I do not know any details. If anyone DOES know, I would like to hear their story.

Also, to the people asking: I have heard a little about the last celebrations, the Symposium, or whatever: I don't know details because the person I am in contact with that also attended does not have a really good memory regarding his experiences there: He was there in '89. But from what he remembers, there was a film shown to the group that has really violent music playing with snapshots of violent images. One of which was the famous shot from Viet Nam when the young man is shot in the head, as well as a Nuclear bomb being detonated. I asked him if he remembers what they said to him, what the significance was in that, and he could not recall. It just sounds like more brainwashing to me and he agreed when I mentioned so.

Another student from my family told me that in the latter Celebrations, they asked them to admit to who they would let die and who they would let live if they were in a sinking ship together. REAL nice.

My name is Ra'Bia, and if anyone remembers me, feel free to write to me. Even if you don't know me but want to ask me anything, I am happy to correspond. I also have questions I would like to ask the well informed, so please, don't hesitate to contact me: [email protected]
Title: Re: Cascade School
Post by: Bobinator on November 08, 2008, 04:03:50 AM
Also, I do not mention names except my own to protect privacy, but anyone who is open to discuss, I'm out on the table personally.
Title: Re: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 09, 2009, 05:21:00 PM
Quote from: "jrsusmc"
I was a student at cascade 1993-1994.  Is there anyone out here that was there the same time frame as me?  I spent 6 days short of 13 months there.  (Not that I was counting or anything.)Get back to me if you think you remember me.  I was in left wing hughes dorm at first , but I was switched my my counsler bill mcnight because I was on bans with upper school and below.  So I was switched to right wing pendragon.  I left december of 1994.  I went through truth, youth, friends, brothers and trek.  Get back to me if you were there that same time.

I was there at that time, only stayed a brief few weeks, but it certainly had an impact.  e-mail me at [email protected]
Title: Re: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2009, 12:06:44 PM
I was there I believe it was there some of 94' and 95' It was along time ago though. I'm 28 years old now. I went to this wilderness camp called SUWS before Cascade. What a messed up time that all was. Even the thought of Cascade is so disturbing to me. my email is [email protected]
Title: Re: Cascade School
Post by: Anonymous on November 20, 2009, 12:46:57 PM
You guys got strip searched when you got there too, right? Running anger remember that. People screaming ,crying, snot running down there faces. THe workshops. Being on banneds, popping off, dishes, level 1's 2's and 3's. Brainwashed... Knowing they are lying to your parents. I couldn't believe my parents sent me there. THey gave up on me and payed other people to try and fix me. Cascade was totally messed up and I feel sick to my stomach when I think about that place. I can't remember my counselors names. maybe kurt or something like that or greg. I'm not sure. FIrst I went to a wilderness program called SUWS in IDAHO and then from there an escort flew me to northern,ca to go to Cascade. I had experimented with pot and drank a little before ever going to cascade and I would not come home alot and parents found out my twin sister(twin didn't go to cascade) and I had been molested by the man they chose to watch us while they went on all there trips and vacations. after I left cascade I got really bad into speed about a year later. I've done crack, speed, herion(slammed) extasy, pot, acid, alcohol. I'm finally clean and sober and i've got 2 years clean.