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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: What about \
« on: February 26, 2015, 07:48:55 AM »
You know, you can say "fuck". This website is not a program.

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Anyone who harms another (human or animal) for kicks is a sociopath,and cannot be rehabilitated. The only answer here is civil commitment until they find a cure for evil.
It's a warning sign for sure, but not all little boys who rip the wings off butterflies or are cruel to small animals will grow up to become sociopaths. Psychologists will tell you it's too early to make that distinction which is why children are never diagnosed as such. I agree the girl probably has a lot of issues, the core of which probably has to do with her time in a Romanian orphanage (research that, I dare ya), but that doesn't mean she's beyond hope.

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Hopefully a better host can be found for the show.

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That and more. Email me at psyborgue@gmail.com

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Without giving out too much identifying information, I fairly recently left BM and was wondering if anybody has any updates regarding it's status as a company, recent scandals, etc. Also, I am willing to answer questions from the community here  as much of the information posted on this forum is false/out of date.

As a side note, does anybody have a copy of the staff testimonials to the court regarding Psy's visit to BM? They seem to have deleted it from their site. Seems like it would make for a good read.

Somewhere, I have backups of all the documents in question, as well as a bunch of documents that used to be hosted here but got lost when servers were moved (such as my declarations, that of my family, and a second one from E. Block about cutting her wrists). I'll put an item on my calendar later this week to find them and post them somewhere.

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Elan School / Re: Another BS ELAN Documentary
« on: March 29, 2014, 03:47:07 PM »
Where is this explanation,and why can't it be spoken of again?
Because the rules, that's why.  Bitch at each other in OFFA.

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Elan School / Re: Another BS ELAN Documentary
« on: March 29, 2014, 03:46:05 PM »
Please.  Get the fuck along.  The topic is the Elan documentary and as usual, you assholes could care less about actually stay on topic and maybe, just maybe, drawing some attention to something useful.  No.  Instead all you care about is this useless, pointless, bickering.  If none-ya (or whoever) breaks the rules, let me know via pm and/or email to psyborgue@gmail.com (email is quicker).  Otherwise, as I've already said before, taking things into your own hands will be counted as an infraction towards a ban.  Stay on topic and stop attacking each other outside of open free for all.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Reporter looking for survivors in MN
« on: March 17, 2014, 06:33:53 AM »
You might consider this group, AuntieEm.  It's one of the largest on Facebook.  Also this one.

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Your best best may be to contact Jon Martin Crawford at Cafety.  He was at FFS and has a lot of information on that place.  Here is an ABC News story about his testimony before congress about the school.  If I recall, FFS responded with the standard "we have changed" line of bull.  It's important to note they didn't deny his allegations.  I'm not sure he's still at CAFETY, but if you can't get in touch with him, email me at psyborgue@gmail.com I can get you in contact with him.  His written testimony can be found here.  Good luck.  Program parents can be stubborn and theses sorts of places are masters at convincing parents their kids will spontaneously combust if they ever leave the program early.

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Feed Your Head / Re: Scheff V Bock mock trial/ Bock prevailed!
« on: December 16, 2013, 02:55:20 PM »
I am attending college in Florida. In my Tort class we were asked to find a tort case and retry it. I chose Scheff V Bock. I was one of the attorney's for Bock. We decided to leave out the Katrina situation and use what information we could gather to try the case. It was a really great case and Bock was found not libel for defamation against Sue Scheff. Personally I feel based on all the facts this is the correct outcome. Scheff was definitely a limited purpose public figure. Anyway, there were a lot of factors that helped us prevail; the same factors Bock would have had if she had been able to show her side.

I think she might have been able to win even if SS was not a limited purpose public figure (though she clearly was).  What she said, in context, was not libel per-se.  It was opinion.  "Crook" was a rhetorical outburst.  It meant SS was dishonest, not that she had committed any actual crime.  What do you think?

Did you check out Cannon v. Mathis in your research?

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Web forum hosting / Re: Ursus?
« on: October 09, 2013, 09:34:14 AM »
The "troubled parent industry" tag-line has been there for as long as I can remember.  The point is that in many cases, it's the parents who are troubled, and not their kids who they place in program.  Also, please refrain from attacking others outside of the OFFA.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Re: Fix My Kid Fundraiser
« on: August 03, 2013, 05:28:26 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Quote from: "webdiva"
It is finally here. The Fix My Kid fundraiser is live!

Please help us spread the word and finish this film. The pitch from the directors starts after the trailer. This is for all those
we have lost, all those who have been hurt, and all those who currently suffer inside these programs. You will not be forgotten.

Click here http://http://igg.me/at/fixmykidthemovie/x/3451105


Quoting the "Fix my kids movie" link above:

"The report on the hearing also states that "many programs and many people around the country [are] committed to helping improve the lives of young people and who do good work every day, but it is difficult for parents to tell the good programs from the bad. And that difference can be lethal."

I have always been interested in why no one has ever engaged in an open discussion here on fornits on this topic.  Its seems to be taboo for some reason.  The rest of the world understands and realizes that there are good and bad programs but, for the most part, no one is willing to discuss helping the young people and their parents choose the best path possible or help them differentiate between the good programs and the bad ones.  The lack of discussion seems to lean towards allowing the status quo to continue.



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Whooter.  Please stay on topic.  This has already been discussed countless times on Fornits.  The simple answer to your question is that because it is not possible to tell the difference between a good program (if one were to exist) and a bad program from the outside, for all practical intents and purposes there are no safe programs -- or rather there may be safe programs, but it's not safe to take the chance that a program might not be safe.  As Maia put it, it's like playing Russian roulette.

Straight was supposed to be safe.  Nancy Reagan and princess Diana among other famous celebrities endorsed it.  Like many other cults and cult-like groups, Straight also used testimonials from current and freshly minted drones to "prove" that their program worked.  Never mind half of them were coerced and the others were so far gone after straight's thought reform progress, they probably would have killed for Straight if the program asked them too.  It was a cult.  So was CEDU, or at least a cult-like group.

Many programs operate like this you cannot trust what the students, staff, or even the parents, have to say about the group.  They may be telling the truth, but then again, they may be lying because they either do not know about instances of abuse, or consider it to be in the "greater good" that the public not know.  After all, the program is "saving" the kids lives.  And without the program they would all be dead-insane-injail!  It sounds crazy, but it's happened again, and again, and again with the programs of yesterday.

There is often little evidence of anything wrong until it all comes out in one big scandal.  Straight was "saving" kids lives right up until the day they were closed for abuse.  This has been the same story with WWASP, and CEDU, and CEDU clones, and the list goes on and on.  How is anybody to know that the programs of today are any different?  There was no perfect way to tell back then and there is no perfect way to tell right now.

Even trusting "advocates" such as Sue Scheff who claim to know which programs are safe is not a good idea considering her referrals, for kickbacks, to the Whitmore Academy.  That was supposedly safe according to her.  She even got another "advocate", Isabelle Zehnder to go along with the story.  People trusted her.  Kids got referred to those programs.  There, they were abused.  Don't take my word for it.  Read the GAO's report.  Read about the criminal and civil cases against the Whitmore owners, Mark an Cheryl Sudweeks.  You don't know when a referral agent, whether educational consultant or "advocate" is getting a kick-back from a program for referrals or has just simply made a tragic mistake.

This is the answer to your question and you know very well it's been answered before.  Again and again.  Please respect the rules of the forum and stay on topic.  If the principle thrust of a post is off-topic, please create a new thread.

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Web forum hosting / Re: Ursus?
« on: July 21, 2013, 09:44:51 AM »
Quote from: "Bud Greenberg"
Further evidence that the crazies are running the asylum. You've banned the person who started this thread. When logic fails,simply silence the opposition. Just like you learned in the program. This site has become just another click. Psy I see where you sided with drunken children,rather than agree with someone you don't like. You were still administrator here while Joel was moderator. And you did nothing while he and his brother posted disgusting porn,and threatened everybody. Are you sure you three aren't dating?

1. none-ya has started fights with nearly everybody in ever single thread he has posted in.  It's not just one event.
2. most of the porn, believe it or not, was not posted by Gatekeeper or his brother, and none of it during Gatekeeper's tenure as a moderator.
3. during the time the porn was posted, the forum was not moderated.  I did not make the rules back then, except for a short period after which Ginger decided the forum would no longer be moderated at all.

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Web forum hosting / Re: Ursus?
« on: July 20, 2013, 05:39:11 PM »
Quote from: "none-ya"
Quote
Judge Joe Blow wrote;
When I was global moderator formerly "The gatekeeper"

Yeah we remember. That's when everything started going to complete shit. Why you were never banned is beyond me. It's taken this long to start to recover from your folly. As far as I'm concerned the best thing you ever did for this site was to go away.
That's my opinion.
Have a nice day.
None-ya. You've been repeatedly warned, but calling other members names such as "joe blow", even if there were worse thing, is just the last straw.  It doesn't seem like you can get along with anybody on this site and so I'm banning you for a week.  You can disagree, but the decision is made. Please, when you return, perhaps you can focus more on talking about, say, the program or your experiences -- and spend less time arguing or attacking others.

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Web forum hosting / Re: Ursus?
« on: July 20, 2013, 05:34:45 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
since PMing one of his many aliases did constitute a communication I accepted the banning and did post after that date until now that it has changed hands.

It was a long time ago but I think we were able to establish that you knew the alternate account was DJ when you PMed him, and that was the deciding factor.

In any case, most of this is off-topic.  Please keep the topic to Ursus.  To let everybody know, Ursus is not dead.  I've heard indirectly from Ursus that he/she is just lying low for a while.  Everybody is entitled to a break anyway, especially after the phenomenal yet thankless job he/she did.  The bear will be missed, but more than welcome back if/when he/she decides to return.

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