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Straight, Inc. and Derivatives / This forum cheapens our memory
« on: January 12, 2011, 02:04:11 AM »
For the people that went through Atlanta straight, this forum is a joke. I would like to talk with real people that went through the horror, not a goddamn advertisement.

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Hyde Schools / Re: R.I.P. - Carol Anne Brown
« on: January 12, 2011, 01:55:50 AM »
I knew her. I just...ummm, I really don't know what to say. We went to school together, and she always seemed....well, I am sure you tubesteaks will turn it into what you want...but she always was nice to me and was a real presence.

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Hyde Schools / Re: R.I.P. - Carol Anne Brown
« on: January 12, 2011, 01:46:15 AM »
I grew up there.

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Hyde Schools / Re: What's YOUR "unique potential?"
« on: January 12, 2011, 01:44:03 AM »
way too long a post to do any good. Stop posting these epic diatribes.

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Hyde Schools / Are we talking about Hyde or headlines:
« on: January 12, 2011, 01:37:58 AM »
I just want to know

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Hyde Schools / Honor
« on: August 27, 2007, 12:44:23 PM »
Quote from: ""JoeSoulBro""
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No one ever seems to remember that one,

  Actually,  a woman from the time Mr bear and I were at hyde told me the story.  She was an eye witness.  Joe was sent to Hawaii to unwind.  I did not witness Joe slapping the girl in the lunch line for the offense of "having no personality" but I was in the student union when it happened.  A buzz went thought the building.  "Joe just ... !"  That man was strung tighter than the drone string on Bela Fleck's banjo.  It is a wonder he hasn't completely lost control of his temper and done something horrific.  When ever I was near him I sensed that he was teetering on the edge of some emotional cataclysm, like a volcano about to erupt.


Oddly enough, this is where Joe went after the incident during my time. Hawaii must be some sort of 'safe haven'. I would actually venture a guess about extradition laws, but it being a full fledged state in the Union probably renders that theory null and void.

For clarification, I think I should point out that I personally did not actually 'witness' the act in and of itself. Two other students did and being present for their public excoriation was what I was referring to in regards to this incident. I realized my statement from before could be construed as me having direct involvement and I wanted to clear that up.

Interestingly enough, the school seemed to deal with this in exactly the same manner as in the 70's. I suppose this is to be expected. What I have always wondered is how many incidents might have occurred with no witnesses whatsoever.

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Hyde Schools / Pink Sox?
« on: August 27, 2007, 12:37:52 PM »
I was actually trying to remember him. I am drawing a blank but he could very well have been there during my time. The name sounds real familiar....

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Hyde Schools / pete gregory is a douch bag
« on: August 27, 2007, 04:40:10 AM »
Well, I am not too close (I don't live there anymore) :-).

The Gauld's  have always been financially stable, at least as far as I know.

Malcolm will be forever Malcolm, the idiot son of a tyrant. I was never quite convinced he actually wanted to run the school, marry Laura etc. I think it was just a matter of him not being able to do anything else. Joe was always king, Joe was always the 'prophet'.

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Hyde Schools / pete gregory is a douch bag
« on: August 27, 2007, 04:18:37 AM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Yeah, I remember coming across Ed's posts... passionate about his POV, eh?  Around that time there was also a poster baiting him who has since proved himself (herself?) to be the resident fornits troll, aka TheWho.  At the time he was posting anon, but has since seen fit to have his moniker attached to said posts.  Always wondered whether TheWho was a former Hyde student as the program ideology is pretty seriously entrenched... Maybe "he" really is just an ASR parent as "he" proclaims...  "He" has managed to sidestep the Hyde question even when asked pointblank by other posters... (all this in another fornits forum, HLA, I believe, maybe TTI).

Well, now that I know your time at Straight, I'll keep my ears open...  Think maybe Botched Programming may have overlapped with you, but I'm not sure that it was Atlanta.  Kind of tough to search these things right now, as the Search function is not fully functional yet since we've changed ISP's the last time.  You have to go into 'Google - Advanced Search' but I don't think you can isolate the search per forum, just fornits in its entirety.

What happened, if I may ask, to you during 84-87 (between Straight and Hyde)?


Well, I tossed around for awhile. It took awhile to get over Straight (I went in when I was 12) and by the time I looked up, I was heading off to Bath, Maine. Oddly enough, even Malcolm Gauld commented that it was remarkable that I was able to survive Straight.

In a strange twist of fate, after college I immediately moved to New England...guess where...Bath, Maine

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Hyde Schools / pete gregory is a douch bag
« on: August 27, 2007, 03:50:51 AM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Well, to be fair, James (after the autopsy) was revealed to have an enlarged heart. According to the medical folks, that pumped too much blood to his brain, which caused the condition.

He was on scholarship, from NY and he was a great and bright kid. I will always remember him and that day at Hyde. It's ironic that in all these posts on this forum, I have yet to read his name once. BTW, Hyde sponsors a Basketball tournament in his name.

Small compensation.

Well, thanks to you, his name is now immortalized for as long as fornits exists, James Roman, James Roman, James Roman...

For some reason, the 1980's crowd doesn't seem to come here much, or at least of late, or perhaps yet...  Well, there is Lars, and he does come back intermittently, but he hasn't touched base for a few months now.  Sometimes the younger crowd blazes through, but usually briefly; I think they have spots on MySpace and Facebook and Xanga that are more to their liking, but they don't post for long on those either.

I think perhaps you need to be of a certain age, ha! ...or have experienced a certain trauma level, to want to commit to posting about it/figuring it all out long-term...

BTW, have you checked out the Straight, Inc. Veterans forum here on fornits yet?  Did you know 85DayJerk (Bob) during your time at Atlanta?  And... I am guessing that you must know that Ginger was in Straight (80-82, I believe; Sarasota?)...


Thank you, thank you, thank you (for James).

I don't think many of the 80's people are still around. Ed Davis (a poster on this forum) is just about what you would expect in 'real life'. I have the dubious honor of being his classmate; and yes, he is about what you would expect.

To date, that's the only name I have recognized.

I was in Straight in 84, again, only in Atlanta. Also a big black hole in the timeline when it comes to finding folks. The 'dark ages' as it were...

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Hyde Schools / pete gregory is a douch bag
« on: August 27, 2007, 02:44:03 AM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Pete Gregory was a student that was a contemporary of mine. His buddy, Bob Felt, was another one of the 'special' students. Both did Post graduate years, (ie 5 years at Hyde) and were welcomed back with open arms after their 'career' paths didn't quite work out.

For the record, both Pete and Bob were 'children' of Gary Kent (dead football and lacrosse coach). I would assume they either are teaching or coaching. Most likely both.
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Also, I was the roommate of James Roman, whom I believe is still the only student to actually die at Hyde. He was 14 years old and had a brain annaerism and died on a Sunday.

There was, at one time, a tree planted in his honor right in front of the gym. It has since been removed (I know, because I go back to Maine regularly). I am not sure where it ended up.

I did know Gary Kent.  He started teaching at Hyde somewhat around my time.  He was a good sort who earnestly tried to make a difference (I thought).  To be honest with you, I don't think he could fully comprehend the evil he was up against.  Maybe I was wrong, I never did talk to him much as life was pretty much hell for me at that point.

I am curious about the brain aneurysm.  You know sometimes these things happen, it has to do with the particulars and idiosyncrasies of the vascular networks in the brain, but often there are some warning signs beforehand, when intervention and medical assistance can still save a kid's life...  There was a kid at Elan that died that way.  Elan had this thing called "the Ring," where kids had to duke it out and some poor bloke just wasn't taken seriously in the aftermath... 'till he was carted away in an ambulance and never came back.


Well, to be fair, James (after the autopsy) was revealed to have an enlarged heart. According to the medical folks, that pumped too much blood to his brain, which caused the condition.

He was on scholarship, from NY and he was a great and bright kid. I will always remember him and that day at Hyde. It's ironic that in all these posts on this forum, I have yet to read his name once. BTW, Hyde sponsors a Basketball tournament in his name.

Small compensation.

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Hyde Schools / Re: Honor
« on: August 27, 2007, 02:38:10 AM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.

Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.

Okay... I did not experience Straight, so I, myself, cannot honestly compare... But from my own personal experience, I found the brainwashing element pretty extreme.  It was very cloaked in "respectability" and many "feel-good" terms which, in retrospect, made it that much harder to tease out.  I should say, right here, so you understand, that I was brainwashed by Hyde, and I was a believer in Hyde, until certain events  happened to me and the so-called school did what it did, and it has taken over 30 years for me to process that.  For a long time, I have known that what happened was wrong on the part of Hyde, but I thought it was a fluke and just my bad luck, and did not realize that many others were also standing in my shoes.

Re. sexual predation on the part of faculty, there is much to read here in these threads.  Might I recommend the fine vintage of "Scary Larry..." as exposing a guilty few.  It is also my impression that the place really has a "My Fair Lady" complex.  Think about it:  Joe seducing Andrea VH and carrying on with her whilst still married to Blanche (perhaps separated?  still inappropriate), rapist Bob Thurrell, diddler Dubinsky, and then there is the plain and simple fact that Laura Denton Gauld and Laurie Gauld Hurd met their future husbands while they were students and the husbands were teachers...  Let us not forget the escapades of Henry Milton and the adventures at Sumner's Beach House...  And as to Sumner himself?  The grand old namesake of those who venture to remember Hyde in their will?  Hmm... let me just say I have heard some things a bit salacious and not so complimentary.

Out of curiousity, and with all due respect to you, who was the faculty member in question in your case?


I have been perusing these forums for awhile and I have a pretty good idea of what you faced. I am trying to understand what you deemed 'belief' versus what you were simply to young to comprehend. In my mind, there is real difference.

As far as '...it has taken me over 30 years to process that..' I can understand the sentiment and the struggle you must have had. I think all of us deal with these things in our own way. Certain people actually remain at Hyde, they become assimilated as possible teachers, while the rest of us go on to do different things. I could sit here and feed you a line about how things are going to get 'better' but I think we all know that is just not true. Nothing in our respective pasts can truly compensate for what happened; sadly enough, nothing in our respective futures can truly give us what we envision.

I don't recognize most of the names you mention in terms of predation. I would imagine most of these are before my time. Joe of course is a constant; as lively and manical as ever. I never heard that about other women. Of course, keep in mind, he punched a student while I was there and was shuffled off for awhile. No one ever seems to remember that one, though the entire student body was there when two pretty courageous students were made to stand up (in front of the entire school) and confront him. I will still remember Joe G. actually grilling those two as if they were on the witness stand.

The teacher I had a relationship was named Margaret 'Peg' Brazier. I believe she is in DC now. We continued our relationship after Hyde, years later of course.

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Hyde Schools / pete gregory is a douch bag
« on: August 27, 2007, 02:06:59 AM »
Also, I was the roommate of James Roman, whom I believe is still the only student to actually die at Hyde. He was 14 years old and had a brain annaerism and died on a Sunday.

There was, at one time, a tree planted in his honor right in front of the gym. It has since been removed (I know, because I go back to Maine regularly). I am not sure where it ended up.

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Hyde Schools / pete gregory is a douch bag
« on: August 27, 2007, 02:01:52 AM »
Pete Gregory was a student that was a contemporary of mine. His buddy, Bob Felt, was another one of the 'special' students. Both did Post graduate years, (ie 5 years at Hyde) and were welcomed back with open arms after their 'career' paths didn't quite work out.

For the record, both Pete and Bob were 'children' of Gary Kent (dead football and lacrosse coach). I would assume they either are teaching or coaching. Most likely both.

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Hyde Schools / Re: Honor
« on: August 27, 2007, 01:57:17 AM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.


Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.

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