Post by: velvet2000 on November 01, 2001, 12:17:19 PM
I just wanted to advertise my new EZ board for those who have been through the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre! Hope you can all come and check it out, and maybe bring some survivors with you!
go to:
Post by: velvet2000 on December 02, 2001, 01:42:16 AM
Someone posted a very proffesional letter at my site stating how fabulous AARC is. My guess is that it's the man himself. And to think it only took a couple of weeks to get their attention : P
Post by: Kathy on December 01, 2001, 12:31:38 PM
YOU GO!!!!
Kathy
Post by: velvet2000 on December 02, 2001, 12:00:44 AM
Thanks! You should see the email I got last night...Oh man, this is gonna be interesting. They are very poor liars...They really are.
Post by: bannedbillw on December 01, 2001, 04:56:31 AM
tyu
Post by: bannedbillw on December 01, 2001, 05:10:19 AM
It's amazing how some people can go from singing, playing guitar at graduations and expressing tears of gratitude to having such radical and irrational beliefs. It's surprising how phony some people can be. Why did you ban my user name Bill.W? It makes me wonder why you guys are so afraid to have both sides of the story told. I find myself wondering if the issue is aarc or if it is just a bunch of relapsed graduates trying to find someone to justify and blame there actions on. As for the whole PROGRAMMED issue maybe some psychologist brainwashed you into believing you were programmed. What frustrates me the most is that the other side of the story is not allowed to be told. If you are going to write of your deep rooted opinions than let others express there's as well.
Post by: Another older AARC gradua on December 01, 2001, 07:07:20 PM
I like what banned bill W has to say reguarding your previous posting and also find it interesting that he/she was banned from this site. I have watched this site a bit over the past couple of days now and must say that I've read a lot of angry statements and false facts. I do believe it is told in A.A. that resentments are the number one killer of alcoholics. I think it's sad that so much time is spent resenting a place that has helped so many people. I gratuated AARC many years ago and have been sober for many years as well. I have been able to witness many young people go through AARC and improve their lives in some way. I have NO resentment to AARC and I have always been able to sleep at night. I do not have crazy thoughts any more, and I haven't really had any since I graduated AARC almost seven years ago. I DO function well in society and am doing well in life. I have a good job, people & family in my life, and am recieving a post-secondary education. I had none of these things seven years ago. I have absolutely no regrets and many friends in my life I know feel the same way. I agree with Banned Bill W. when he/she stated how strange it is that someone can go from being my grateful peer cousellor, singing songs and playing guitar at my graduation and preaching how much AARC has changed her life to me, to bashing them on a secret "hate aarc" website. Sad. I also wonder how you can speak on behalf of AARC staff so well when you're not sure who's even working there anymore. So far I've seen 3, maybe 4 people on this site who have something to complain about AARC, there's over 170 AARC graduates. Might as well let all of us come on.
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 07:47:25 PM
Another popular AA term, eh? First, I doubt SERIOUSLY that Kathy's banned anyone from the board. It's just not her style at all.
You can say whatever you like here. The difference is that we don't have to bob our heads and pretend you're making sense when you're not like some places we all know about. The "other" side of the story gets plenty of air play. Turn on Sally Jesse Raphael, Opra, a soap opera and there it is. Go to any public school campus and you'll see the same outlandish Program B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. wrapped in the red and black DARE logo just about everywhere you turn.
This is the other side of the story; the truth. And no matter how you may try to shout us down, we'll still be here providing the truth to anyone who's interested. Ain't the First Amendment cool?
Post by: Bill W on December 01, 2001, 09:45:11 PM
"Why did you ban my user name Bill.W?"
Odd, it seems to work here ok
(This is really Ken H, I'm just testing for any "bans", none so far
Post by: GregFL on December 02, 2001, 02:29:33 AM
Well, the other side of the story has been told ad neasum for 30 something years. neither one of you have said one new word. AARc or whateverthefuckitiscalled sucks and is the same synanon crap under a different label that eveyone of these seed imitators says is so new and different and sucessfull.. And no, I am no relapsed junkie or any other name you wanna call people whom have taken a critical look at the program. Take your program baiting and shove it up your arse, boys. No one has or will ban your "opinion", we are just sick of hearing the same old line for the last 30 years. Try coming up with something new and maybe someone here will be interested in what you have to say.
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 03:37:58 PM
*rubs hands together like Dr. Vause always does before open meeting*
Okay now, I'm all pumped let's start responding! How about, a time in your past when you thought your username was banned but it wasn't and still haven't posted on the site that you are actually supposed to be posting on!
In my opinion...
Well let me start here about your comments on the girl who sang at graduations and all the fundraising events you asked her to sing at. It's very easy why she used to do that - because she was dependant on your approval of her and believed in you with all her heart and soul for a very long time. Then she witnessed so many things that she couldn't justify anymore and left, and then she realized that there was never any good to outweigh the bad, and that it had all been bad. That's why there's no other side to the issue. Like I said on the site you're supposed to be posting at, every cult offers a better more fulfilled life and believes that people on the outside aren't getting that devine opportunity. Oh, and that girl is hardly a relapsed grad, you know that because some of you will see her at meetings. You might know about all of the great things that she's aquired in her life since she LEFT aarc. Instead at singing at your fundraising functions she's been singing in recording studio's.
You know, I never believed that saying "Can't con a con"
because I was never a con in the first place. AARC needs to tell people that so that you feel that you are such a manipulative horrible person that you could never step outside of AARC - you're made to feel that all you will do is manipulate people into treating you like a real person ('enabeling') and then you will surely relapse if people aren't mean to you. Have you ever wondered why "safe" is a dirty word in AARC? Have to bounce around meetings sharing to people you hardly know, and opening up to oldcomers who you don't love so that you are never "safe" with anyone? Because if you are truly safe with them your deep fears may come true that you don't really want to be a part of aarc and aren't sure of your conviction in the place.
Well for old times sake I'm going to say "can't con a con" because that's the kind of depth your getting into by running to this board. Only the real saying is can't recruit someone who's been through the same cult family as you. Oh, and you're right there have only been a few of us posting, but there are more reading, and more who aren't online at all. The internet is the last thing that you should worry about.
If it's true that resentments are the #1 killer....Maybe I should call an ambulance for you now.
I myself am feeling fine.
Post by: lol on December 01, 2001, 05:18:27 AM
jl
Post by: lol on December 01, 2001, 05:40:11 AM
Worried?? Who's worried?? All you numb nuts have been able to do so far is post up a few flyers and create a couple of chat rooms that can only be found with some impossibly long user name. Trust me ive been around a while so I know of the people who are angry at aarc. On the flip side I know of the countless lives that have been changed for the better. If your going to do something than do it. Bring the cameras or better yet just watch the upcoming documentary on the nature of things (Geez they must have had to quiet the kids in the dungeon for the filming of that. Must have toned down the brainwashing techniques as well). But really I hope you guys have more in you than false identities over the Internet and cheesy comparisons of aarc to heavens gate and Dr.V to David Koresh, he doesn't even have glasses. Computer rage isn't that frightening. Here you go I will use some aarc LINGO: TO BE TOTALLY HONEST im sick of reading these pathetic threats. If your going to do something than do it but quit lobbing grenades that are complete duds without having the nuts to show your face.
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 08:29:39 AM
I personally beleive...
Speaking of showing faces, for those of you who don't know the post stating "jl" was just a confession that the poster is Dr. Vause, giving the initials for a name that he used as he pretended he was a lawyer.
Now that you know what kind of behavior he shows here, imagine how proffesional he is in private.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 12:37:21 PM
Oh, please don't be nervous,
It took a long time (at least 30 years) for you numbnuts to learn how to rape children's and young people's minds for a profit, so we really need to take our time to deal with you juuust right
I liked the following quote you made too: "Bring the cameras or better yet just watch the upcoming documentary on the nature of things (Geez they must have had to quiet the kids in the dungeon for the filming of that. Must have toned down the brainwashing techniques as well)."
Well, I would first like to say that I am an American fan of the CBC and watch the Nature of Things, The fifth estate, and other shows there quite a bit, I'm sure I'll be watching and taking a lot of notes about this little matter. However, you don't to seem to post the CBC airing date. Well no bother, I think I'll contact the CBC and find out.
"TO BE TOTALLY HONEST im sick of reading these pathetic threats. If your going to do something than do it but quit lobbing grenades that are complete duds without having the nuts to show your face."
Ah, how sweat, I'm soooo sorry Executive staff is a little pissed off, but hey, remember confidentiality?, you wrote the rules!
Post by: ramprato on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
"Ah, how sweat, I'm soooo sorry Executive staff is a little pissed off, but hey, remember confidentiality?, you wrote the rules!
Well, ok, you got me, that should of said "how SWEET", but then again are yow sweating yet Mr. Exec?, remember the commercial for that deodorant, "Never let em see ya sweat"!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 01, 2001, 04:32:11 PM
I have been watching all the postings for awhile and it has really got me thinking.I have heard and read a lot about KIDS, the Seed and other abusive treatment centers.I went through one in the States (not nearly as bad as you have encountered)I hear your anger, frustration and how hard it is to recover from that ordeal. It is true AARC originally was going to be Kids of the Canadian West but Dr.Vause and the parents from KIDS decided to not go that way.AARC is different than what you think. Before you judge AARC based on 2 people's resentments you need to hear all the facts.There has been out right lies made on this site and many misinformed opinions.Some experiences expressed are their own interpatation as we all know there is 3 sides to every story.Mine,yours and the truth.
I just want to be able to share my experience and I have to say that if it wasn't for AARC I would not be here today (yes it is treatment lingo but it relates to me)
I hope one day you find the solutions to your recovery and i hope you find peace,joy and forgiveness.I will always be grateful to AARC and people like you who remind why I choose the life I have.Thanks for keeping me grateful and free from the hate I used to feel.Good luck on your journey and God bless.
P.S Please do not bring B@*#n N@#ls name into this he chose his own way out and AARC had nothing to do with that.His parents had no resentment towards AARC when they asked Dr.V to speak at his funeral. I was there.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 04:37:55 PM
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 01, 2001, 04:42:27 PM
What that is it? Is that all you can say?I thought you had all the answers guess not.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 05:01:28 PM
The word I used to describe your post speaks for itself, what syllable don't you understand??
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 05:22:33 PM
If you're really tired of all this, then why are you still here? What, exactly, is the point?
I think it's funny as anything that ya'll got all worked up into a lather over that flyer. Reminds me of an old joke.
A farmer hangs and sticks a couple of pigs in preparation for a long winter. He goes back in the afternoon to take them down only to find them stolen. He says not a word to anyone, either about having killed the hogs or about their going missing.
Couple of weeks later, the farmer's talking over the fencepost with his good neighbor, who asks "Did you ever find out what happened to those stuck pigs?"
"Yeah", says the farmer, "just now."
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 05:29:06 PM
I made a typo and then I went ahead and sent the message. Now everyone will know that I wasn't paying attention to what I was doing. I'm SO ASHAMED!!! God, I hope I don't get confronted.... or set back... or, worse, started over or left in bad standing!!!
Just kidding, here's the link, works better without the quotes.
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 01, 2001, 07:46:14 PM
Why do you think Dr.V would care about your flyers or this site?
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 08:30:39 PM
We don't care about anything that "Dr." V cares about. AARC is abusing young people and that is what we care about. AARC is a spin-off of Straightseedkidcentersofamericanadianwest that still uses mind rapist tactics that were used on us when we were in Straightseedkidcentersofamericanadianwest that still abuse the young at AARC, that is what we care about, that AARC is raking in all those families hard earned money, that is what we care about, every time a Canadian pays the GST (goods & services tax), a portion of that goes into the mind rapist pockets of AARC , that is what we care about. We care about the sad fact that the worst thing the United States ever exported in its history to Canada was this sickening mind rapist for profit technique done in a warehouse on our young people, that is what we (as responsible Americans) care about.
Other than all that, we don't really care.........
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 03:16:25 PM
You said that out right lies have been told on this page about AARC, could you name some please?
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on August 01, 2001, 10:40:39 AM
First there are a lot so I won't be able to cover them now.First off let's leave B#$#@N N*&%^l out of this as he is dead.His death is not AARC's fault if you knew the story you would know why he killed himself.
AARC does not mentally,sexually or physically abuse people as for staff trying to cover it up is disgusting.As to your "stats" sexually abuse does not happen once a year.It does not happen.
As for the age to sign out it is 18 because Child Welfare demanded AARC meet their standards.As for sitting on you where did you hear that? From the KIDS or Straight so you could relate to somebody/anybody?I was never sat on.
Dr.Vause is a real doctor you will not find his name in the Alberta directory as he did not take it here in Alberta (Ithought you knew it all)As for Cheeky54 she told some things that were true, but where did she go after her anonimity was broken?
As far as someone killing for AARC's acceptance I have never heaard of this before and would like to know who your sources are.Unfortunatly I am out of time I will be back though to clear up anymore BS you may have.One question are you a bitter,lonely sibling or a resentful graduate?You can clear that up for me.
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 01, 2001, 02:57:50 PM
why don't you giveyour email address rather than wasting peple's time who really need this board?
Post by: Cheeky54 on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
I am still here, it just so happens that I have a life, and other things to tend to. Job, marriage, etc.
Why is it such a big deal to you what we say. We are doing this to help heal ourselves and to bring some awareness of what we believe to others.
I regret getting so personal on this site, because I feel like I am being personally attached. But I am just being honest.
You don't know me, or what I went through specifically. You don't know what I still go through as a result. If we feel like we need to share with one another that is our choice. I don't feel that we are wasting anyones time. I have friends that were in KIDS. I think if they thought I was full of S*^t they would let me know. I don't want to here that from you. You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
Hi Cheeky54 we meet at last.I have read all your postings and have one question. Why do hate AARC so much? You are clean and sober. When your parents didn't come to AARC a woman took you in and took care of you( regardless of your opinon of her) You worked at AARC and eventually found your place in life.WHy would you be bitter after all these years and yes I know what you went through I was with you.
Post by: Cheeky54 on December 01, 2001, 05:06:13 PM
You may have been there physically, but you don't live in my head. (at least I don't think so). What I have gone through during and after my experience at AARC has scarred me emotionally. Yes I am clean and sober, (through working the 12 steps), and yes I have a life. Going as far as to say found my place in life, not really.
I have spent the past 5 years since I left completely, striving to find who I really am. I second guess everything I do, I constantly think "what would AARC/Dr. Vause think", because I believe that he was the end all and be all of my life. The fact that I felt that way shows that he had way to much power and control over my life.
Trust me when I say, that part of me feels horrible about the things I say, sometimes it feels better to ignore things. But I've done that to long. I need to be heard when I say that some of the things that I witnessed (especially in girls rap) have haunted me. To have to talk so specifically in a group of people about some of the things that were talked about, in my opinion is wrong and shaming. Some of the things I heard from others I can never get out of my head.
Being told by a clinical "being gay is a disease, like being an alcoholic, they're sick, they need help" definitely didn't help me.
Post by: Antigen on December 02, 2001, 12:58:42 AM
.... about the flyer or the site?
Well, for one thing ya'll are here all of a sudden. For another, I have it from reliable sources that a bunch of cult members made a lot of harassing calls just after the flyers went out. That would certainly indicate interest, wouldn't you say?
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 03:36:04 PM
You have my email address, and so does everyone else here so don't use that as an excuse not to respond to things on this board. I have not said anything that I can't testify to witnessing or experiencing, or that others have told me that they could testify too. Basing websites or postings on lies is useless and I'm too old for that crap.
To say taht there was no restraining in aarc is proposterous! I don't know what Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre you were in, but the one that I was in restrained anyone who wanted to "run", had oldcoemers sleep in front of doors while parents hid their shoes, had choldlocked doors on cars and on windows, and everyone except for level 3's and 4's in aarc were monitored by staff or other oldcomers at all times. I can mention one boy in about 95 who ran from a host home and was sat on by his oldcomer and other newcomers until staff came to help out somehow. I'd have to stop and think about exactly who else tended up restrained was sat on, or who was simply held down, held while standing up, or was surrounded.
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 04:04:54 AM
I believe that Dr. Vause does have a doctorate, but in what? Physical education? Again, the question was if he can call himself a psyhologist, and according to the College of Alberta Psychologists, no matter where he got the degree he can not use that title while working in Alberta when he is not registered with them. Years before I tried to give him the benifit of the doubt to, and called New Jersey, Vancouver, Saskatoon, Regina, Edmonton, and found that he had never been registered with them either. I even let it go and called back to CoAP every year or two to see if maybe they'd just made a computer slip up or something. Nopers.
And yes, very angry at you guys, but no not lonely or bitter or pathetic or whatever you'll try to lable me as. Not a "druggie" a "bottom feeder" or a drunk either for that matter. If you try to call being angry at someone for legitimate reasons a defect, you may aswell be using, it's an easier way to disasociate yourself from natural feelings.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 04:04:54 AM
Right,
You people that are saying Vause has a degree/or degrees, whatever, find out from him what his "degrees" are in and where he obtained them from. Ask him just what he learned from Miller Newton about obtaining "degrees". I understand the Reverend:Father:Cassion:"Dr." Miller Newton has "degrees" in anthropology for starts and here's how he got them:
Most doctors, dentists, surgeons, psychiatrists, psychologists, ect... are more than proud to display their credentials on the walls of their offices, is Vause the same, or an exception to that tradition? Why don't one of you out there hyping the Vause cause tell us what all these "degrees" are that he has, we'd be satisfied with even one.
Post by: honestguy on December 01, 2001, 07:47:33 PM
well I took alot of time to think about what to write. Fine you win, be fu@#ing right it if it will make you happy. I know and 80% of peaple who have graduated know one simple thing thay feel better about them selves today then they did before they came into treatment. Also I feel as though you people are atacking the people of aarc. Any one can make people wrong but you cant make the process wrong, PEOPLES LIVES GET BETTER!!!! I am trully sorry yours did not get better but the majority do get better. Personally I'm not that scared of 2 or 3 people crawling around in cyberspace throwing shots I dare you to make the facts wrong. You cant thats why there called facts there not open for resentments but in closing it seems to me the only thing you guys talk about is how much we lie so I will agree with you aarc brainwashed me but my brain needed a good washing
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 08:38:33 PM
Honest guy, I know you probably take it as an article of faith that all that you say is true. But it simply is not. 80% success? Please. Show me the long term outcome studies. I'd bet good money you aren't even in touch with 20% of the folks you've seen on front row, first chair, huh?
Even those few people who, like you, remain brainwashed and eternally greatful to the megalomaniac who did it to you are not worth the sorrow and heart-ach of those of us who, decades later, STILL have unresolved issues with family, nightmares, rage and the memory of friends who didn't make the trip.
You could make a direct comparison to organ transplant. It's a wonderful thing that doctors today can save lives by transplanting organs. It's a risky business, and not every patient makes it. But for those who do, and for those who love them, it is a wonderful, wonderful miracle of modern medicine.
There are some differences, though. They don't go and drag healthy people off the street and take them kicking and screaming to harvest their organs. They don't perform procedures at all without fully informed consent of the patient. (not just a good idea, it's the law) They don't perform unproven procedures at all except for patients who are determined by several physicans (real ones... with medical licenses in good standing and all) to be terminal AND likely to benefit from the procedure.
And any doctor who would perform an organ transplant based on the kind of diagnostic criteria used by these programs to diagnose 'disease' might easily spend the remainder of his life in a prison for the mentally derranged. And that, in my opinion, is just how it should be.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 08:38:53 PM
Everybody wants to get in on the act and brag about a success rate that doesn't exist. That place is based on the same methods Straight used and straight also claimed a 75%, 82% 70% up and down but always high "success rate". Did you read that off an aarc pamphlet, or did you take a poll?
As far as my life goes, it's fine, I no longer am under the influence of a bunch of sicko mind rapists, oh yeah, I get mad, but I work that off by getting active to close those places down, Heck, I even quit smoking when I started dealing with the reality that I was violated and scammed, that was a real weight off my shoulders.
Go ahead, look up and compare your mind rape mill with the "success rates" of KHK, SAFE, Growing Together, and Pathway Family Center, all spin-offs of Straight Inc. and Kids centers as well. Just scroll down at this link and look up what they have to say, scam artists such as these places are, like to market a "successful" product to the public too. NO offence, but I doubt you really know the true rate anyway:
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 08:44:05 PM
Come to think of it, if being angry over past abuse is a legitimate criteria to diagnose mental illness, I think we've all got far bigger problems than eachother. Have you listened to that Bush guy lately? He's got SERIOUS anger issues toward that guy Usama. It might even be genetic, as his daddy had the same problem with Sadam. Hmm.... maybe there's something to this....
Post by: Cheeky54 on December 01, 2001, 11:34:18 PM
You say that you are not afraid of the 2 or 3 of us that are throwing shots via ciberspace. Why then do you feel the need to justify your beloved centre? Who are you trying to convince, us or yourself.
No matter how often you say "80%" of graduates have better lives, are happy, clean/sober, you will never convince me, I know you are full of SH^T.
My purpose for posting on this board, as I have said previously, is to help heal myself through sharing with others. I don't have time in my life to think "how am I going to piss them off today", "what lies can I tell?". Nope sorry, doesn't happen.
I started coming to this site because I felt it was right for me. Reading "honestguys" comments was like reading out of a "how to show our love to AARC" manual. Needed your "brain washed", that is what I call pathetic.
I have a life! thank you very much. I have people in my life today that I have choose to have a connection with, that bring gifts to my life and I to theirs. Most of the connections I had in AARC, were out of fear of going outside the box.
You will never convince those of us who have been there and who have finally woken up, that AARC is such a fabulous place, so stop trying, your just wasting your breath.
I've stopped listening to people's lies.
Post by: TallyR on December 02, 2001, 12:26:10 AM
Generally speaking, I think most treatment programs compute "success" rate based on program completion. That is, they met the requirements to complete the program. Period. This is not to be confused with any long term effects or happiness. I recently requested info from "Growing Together" who said that that have a whopping success rate and would sent info regarding how they measure, but nothing arrived in the mail except some newspaper article along with program info. The newspaper article was about a girl whose parents thought that she was using alcohol and mj, but found out after she was in the program that she was using 18 different substances. They were ever so grateful because it "saved her life". Most centers rely on ancedotal stories that appeal to the emotions to "prove" how successful they are. There was no quantitative measurement info even though I was told that they follow-up clients for 5 years. When someone has been on treatment in prison or on probation, the recommitment rate is included as a measure of success. This is a societal measure. They can get regular drug tests while on probation, but once they are off there is no way to know if someone is truly drug free. Individual success (relationships, finances, happiness, being drug free are difficult to measure) Does anyone know of any surveys of former clients of long term treatments that have been done after 5 years out? 10 years out? And if someone is "successful" by whatever definition used -What are the "other" factors that contribute to that success? Social Science research can be somewhat complex, because people are more complex than dogs. How long can classical conditioning work in the real and complex world?
Post by: Antigen on December 02, 2001, 01:13:53 AM
There have been some proper studies done of various treatment methods and specific programs. But treatment providers generally disavow all knowledge (and they're not usually lying, which is REALLY scary considering how often the courts, employers and families remand people to their tender mercies)
Here's one good article.
By Stanton Peele
Morristown, NJ
Published: PsychNews International, Vol. 2, May-June 1997
And here's an excellent book on the topic
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 03:10:30 PM
Well "honesty guy" isn't all that honest because he's posted under various names and written plenty already.
Well "DMX" said that it was almost half, S*e*e said that it was 60%, honesty guy says that it's 80%. I can understand their confusion because "lol" says "I know of countless lives that have been changed". Well if you can't count to 170 how can you educated your followers??!!!
If you're going try to use this space for advertisement you should know that false advertisment is illegal.
Post by: honestguy on December 01, 2001, 05:21:12 AM
while i could not help but notice how many of you where pissed off at me i have to confess that i was laughing my ass off while i was reading your letter. this will be my last time writing because all you do is recycle the same b.s to me. you all jus sit around whining about how hurt and mad you all are at aarc but you still have not once anwsered any of my questions. when you can tell me how my life is worse than before then i will join your side untill then keep on being a baby because like i said before you know where to f#^king find me.
Post by: normal guy on December 01, 2001, 05:33:11 AM
if you all so lame you have nothing better to do then complain about some treatment center i have no use for you. you go around thinking your so tough by posting up flyes on lamp post in -20 weather. you cant even show your faces to anyone. using fake names to bash a treatment center that has helped alot of people ( oh wait i forgot to include an exact # for you people) you dont even have the nuts to go to aarc and tell them how you feel your all a bunch of dumbasses
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 06:04:55 AM
Actually I don't think that you did ask us why life is harder before, but I can go ahead and answer that for you now. Too bad it will be your last time posting under that name.
To keep it short it screwed my family up entirely. My siblings and eventually my parents couldn't stand all that lingo and lies it took to keep up with the aarc image.
For another my innocent sexual encounters were turned into shameful secrets and abuse which I had never seen them as before. It took me years to remember what had really happened, and that they really were nothing but innocent sexual encounters!
Another, my life was separated into incidents and not one journey. It became very hard for me to see the big picture. Regressive therapy is not meant to go on for thirteen hour days six days a week, and it's not meant to be used my "peers"either.
All of the "resentment is the number one killer", "your disease is outside doing pushups". "If you go back out you will surely die" and the "pattern of insanity" talk shared with being told that anyone I'd ever been friends with prior to AARC will make me go back out, then make me die, made me a little paranoid. I've never been able to trust people the same now that AARC has turned everyone outside of aarc into some demon waiting to take me under.
Being told that I needed to make amends to people who had abused me, or to God when I couldn't make direct amends was slightly damaging. Being told that "blaming" them for my "issues" was "manipulative" and that I was a "con" was damaging. Imagine someone actually being abused for no right reason, and there never is a right reason, being told that they had some fault in it and needed to ask for God's forgiveness! Why that's healthy.
Oh this is only the beginning, there is sadly so much more. But you aren't going to read any of this or post anymore because we are pathetic whining babies. He talks to his clients this way to everyone. Yet another reason for us needing to survive you.
Post by: psych201 on December 01, 2001, 06:36:41 AM
Your responses are laughable Mr. lol, normal guy etc...
It seems you are a bit of a hippocrite, because it seems that you too use an alias or ten to post on this board.
We all know who you are, your mannerisms are quite distinct as you seem to have an affinity for the term "nuts". You should really stick around, things are just getting started. I find you to be an interesting subject of study. So come on, lets get that legendary temper of yours flaring and give me something to write about.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 01:37:25 PM
No doubt Pshych201,
The as*hole has more aliases than Sybil, except the difference is that they all know one another! lol I love watching those who think they are "in charge", cracking up, why I take pleasure in that is beyond me
Post by: Antigen on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
I don't think anyone here has any intention of trying to persued you cult members of anything. How incredibly egocentric of you to think so. We're not talking to you and I can't imagine why you keep coming back here pretending to yourself (yourselves?) that we are.
A good many of the folks who use these forums (and there are many) simply want someone to talk to who can relate to their own experience. We weren't ever allowed to speak of it at the time and most of us have lost touch with eachother afterward.
But there's another reason for putting in all of the effort that we do to keep these websites growning and conferences happening. I hate to tell you this (wait... no... I'm FOS, I actually rather enjoy it) but you're not the only ones reading these forums. Journalists and authors use these sites for research. Check this out
Now... how do you suppose this investigative journalist came by this remarkable story about this Straight spin-off? Why, we TOLD him. He checked and confirmed his sources and now it's on the public record. And there's not a damned thing you can do about it. It's only libel if it ain't true.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymigy Anonymous
Post by: normal guy on December 02, 2001, 01:54:26 AM
if you know who i am please tell me. it seems you know me so well ( with my legendy temper and and all) i would really like to konw who you think i am.
Post by: ramprato on December 02, 2001, 02:11:26 AM
"if you know who i am please tell me."
"i would really like to konw who you think i am."
Oh my gosh, it must be amnesia. Can anybody tell this poor sole who he is?, he can't seem to remember by himself
Post by: normal guy on December 02, 2001, 02:19:42 AM
i know who i am. but i want to know who you think i am. to scared to tell me or are you busy bashing treatment centers and posting flyers in -20 weater
Post by: Antigen on December 02, 2001, 02:54:24 AM
That's the trouble with brainwashing, the side effects. identity issues, control issues, intense paranoia, mood swings and spontaneous rages.... *tsk*, *tsk*, *tsk*
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymigy Anonymous
Post by: kaydeejaded on December 01, 2001, 03:09:16 PM
Wow I cannot believe that they were motivating in that!!! It was banned while I was in Boston for some reason like it was bad for your arms or shoulders. When was that on??? My computer takes like 20min to boot it up so if it said I must of not been watching
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 04:07:36 AM
I really hope that someday you figure out who you are, meanwhile I will continue to bash mind rape mills like aarc that you refer to as "treatment centers", legitimate treatment centers unlike that cult your describing, are great places.
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 04:08:22 AM
That was about a year ago. Watching that documentary was like hearing the other shoe drop for a lot of us.
Personally, I wasn't thoroughly convinced that SAFE was really like Straight. Not enough to spend time and money leaving town to protest. And I wasn't thoroughly convinced of the sincerity of the journalist or the perceptions of the people who he interviewed. (journalists sometimes make promises that, for various reasons, they don't keep)
But that did it! Here was the result;
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 09:19:45 AM
I personally can only guess out of some staff members which one you are. However Mr. Cable Connection, it's not all that hard to figure out when the two of you are posting under different names.
Nobody from this board or my one have anything to do with the posting of the flyers. Some of us have had contact with those people, and some of us continue to keep contact with them, but there is no direct link. I believe that the person who actually went out and posted those flyers was employed to do so. It is very interesting though that you would immediately respond to a poster which says NOTHING about AARC on it, but does mention "brain washing", when you supposedly don't believe that brain washing goes in in AARC!!! Why on earth would you even take a second look at a poster like that if you don't feel that you have any experience with programming and brainwashing??? It doesn't make any sense.
Did you miss the add?
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 05:42:48 PM
Now I'm really curious. What did the flyer say? Anyone have a copy they're willing to share? I'd bet good money that some cult members probably made copies to send to DFAF. Wouldn't doubt it if they even went so far as to take picures of whoever posted them.
This sort of thing really freaks them out, and for good reason. The whole scam rests on the ability to control the perceptions of cult members and the general public who tollerate and/or actively support their activities. Get people asking difficult questions and the whole thing falls apart.
I'm sure AARC had all of the same "no talking out in group" and "No talking behind backs" (taken to rediculous extremes) kinds of policies carried over from Synanon/Seed/Straight/KIDS, right? Well, what's needed here is more rampant talking out in group.
It drives these people bonkers that they can't control the real world like they control their cult members. And the real world really won't tolerate, far less support, what's going on in there if they have the other side of the story. We've got all year, folks, and the next and the next. If just one person showes up to every recruiting event with flyers to hand out or difficult questions to ask, they won't be able to recruite.
Find out if there are better, more effective and humane options for the runnaways of Vancouver and Alberta. The easiest way to do this would be to attend a recruiting event or two (or have a friend who won't be recognized do it if you're afraid of retribution) and take not of which organizations they're trashing. Dollars to doughnuts says that's a worthy organization, or they wouldn't go to the trouble of trashing them.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
Post by: j on December 02, 2001, 12:06:40 AM
you people are such losers do something productive with your life!!!!!!
Post by: Antigen on December 02, 2001, 01:20:48 AM
Sorry, J. That kind of talk just doesn't have the kind of power it used to :-D
So... did you send Calvina a copy of the flyer? Take pictures of whoever posted them like they did when we went to visit in Orlando?
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 12:05:10 PM
"you people are such losers do something productive with your life!!!!!!"
Au Contraire Monsieur, I think it is quite productive to expose people like you who rape minds for profit to the public, in order to save as many lives of young people as we can.
In speaking of losers, after you finally get out of jail for fraud & abuse that we eventually pin on you, why don't you try and work for an honest living for once, though I know that may be too much to expect.
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
The thing I find the funniest is you all assume that only aarc staff are the only ones posting.It is not true I know of graduates that post here because we believe aarc helped us. No we are not all staff.
I also wanted to point out how different AARC is from KIDS. At AARC there is about 30 clients at KIDS there was 300. AARC does not belt loop or "motivate" to get up in raps.AARC does not "regress" clients for listening to old music,seeing old friends or having an impure thought.The graduates are not required to work on staff it is a choice.AARC is certified by social services KIDS was not.Dr.V does have a degree you are not looking in the right place (obviously because I found it)(( l.o.l))Just thought I'd throw my thoughts in.
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 05:59:01 PM
I'll say it agin (I don't know why I bother) but Vause does not have a degree in psychology which he has claimed too, he didn't have it anywhere before and he doesn't have it now. Even if his story was true that he obtained it in another province and just didn't get around to registering in Alberta, why would someone do that? Because they knew that either for some reason they couldn't register, or that they didn't want to have to abide by the rules of a registered psychologist. Either way that's not his case.
AARC does not belt loop, motivate or have 300 kids because SS wouldn't allow it. Kids and The Straights recieved government money as well. AARC does use the exact same "theraputic program" which is what a cult is made out of. Straight based programs aren't cults because someone held on to someone's belt loop.
Oh, and they don't regress kids for listening to music or talking to old friends! Once again, I don't know what AARC you're talking about, but the one I was in did!
And please, there are only two people which are staff, and I believe that one other person posted here on my site! Have you ever heard of "tracking"?
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 06:10:21 PM
I don't care about the 30/300 racial, It doesn't matter if AARC uses beltlooping or not, those kids are still surround (at all times) and discouraged from leaving by there peers, so obviously AARC is still making the kids do their dirty work. Crowding a person into submission still gives the recipient (the one being mind raped) a dog-on-a-leash mentality. You trying to put off AARC as a kinder and gentler "Kids Center" doesn't work, try again. Are they still telling 13 year old little girls if they don't "confess" their sex life and talk about the "sluts" they were???, hell yes they are and don't lie about it, Vause is one sick bastard making those kids in there "confess" their sexual situations.
Do you know what public "confession" does to someone's LONG TERM esteem when you first tell it to the group and then the parent in order to "progress"? Makes you feel about an inch high if your lucky and lower than whale @#%$ for a long time if you don't seek real help from a good therapist. I know plenty of people that have gone out and lived some sad lives because that was due to the worse self esteem these kinds of mind rape mills gave them..that is so sick.
They can't be set back for "listening to old music,seeing old friends or having an "impure thought?"" What do you construe to be an "Impure thought"? Who the hell made you God? How wonderful, listening to old music or seeing old friends won't get them set back, I'm for Missouri (The show-me state) on that one sure, I'll believe it when I see it. I bet they still can't just get up and leave the very minute they want, I bet they all think (because they are still told) that their parents and family want nothing to do with them and in fact encouraged to tell them that whenever possible, abandonment always makes one feel soooooo much more confident about themselves, don't you agree?
"The graduates are not required to work on staff it is a choice.AARC is certified by social services KIDS was not.Dr.V does have a degree you are not looking in the right place (obviously because I found it)(( l.o.l))Just thought I'd throw my thoughts in."
Whatever, I know this without even walking in that place, Vause will do anything in his power to keep his meal ticket running, if he obviously doesn't care about turning a mind to mush, if things got desperate, why would he care about somebody's "choice" to be on staff or not? You still don't specify where, when, and how Vause obtained this "degree", that was a simple request, most people don't have any problem saying what there educational background is, what seems to be the problem here?, why do I feel like we have to pull teeth with you?
Big deal, AARC is "certified" by social services. In America, KIDS was certified by Blue Cross and CIGNA because we don't have socialized medicine, so what's your point? So glad you threw your thoughts in, can't wait for your next batch of limp buisquits to shingle the roof with! lol
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 06:58:35 PM
"The thing I find the funniest is you all assume that only aarc staff are the only ones posting."
I find it funny that you would say that. I never thought it was only Vause posting. I keep mentioning "Vause and his groupies". Actually, I'm surprised and rather pleased that Miller Light is posting at all. In his hay-day, Father Cashin had people to do that sort of thing for him. Ya'll must be getting a little low on staff and moral for him to stoop to dialoging with druggielosers like us, huh?
"At AARC there is about 30 clients at KIDS there was 300."
Not when we shut them down. By the time we got done with them (for the time being) the group size was down around 30. The Sarasota Straight group dwindled down to around 40 or 50 after the state attorney started investigating. That seems to be a threshhold of some kind. SAFE is experiencing a similar crisis. SAFE, btw, is certified by all of the proper state and county licensing agencies too. Of course, it helps to have cult members installed in all the right places within those oversight agencies.
But I'm not so interested in the trivial differences between the various branches. I'm more concerned about some disconcerting similarities.
There's the warped implimentation of the 72 hour law. Who needs the hand of a child on another child's beltloop when you can bring force of law to bear, eh? Look, we all know where Miller Light learned his craft. Anyone going to try and deny the historic public record?
But, most disconcerting of all is a story recounted by one young lady on the first of this month. You can re-read it by clicking on the following link:
As I recall, none of you Program devoute have refuted the factuality of what this young lady is saying. And, based on my own extensive experience with the Program, I don't doubt it. I've seen the same sort of thing happen over and over again; you just couldn't make this s.h.i.t up. Sure, if you get an invitation to join staff, you have a choice. I remember how demoralized I was when I got tapped for staff trainee 20 years ago. I'd planned on never darkening the doorway of that warehouse ever again once I seventh stepped. But then I was faced with this choice; stick around and be a good little Straightling and pretend I'm just pleased and honored beyond all measure over the chance to 'give back' by moving 'up' to staff or risk getting set back or started over if I refused. Some damned choice!
See, these fallacious arguments and personal attacks don't work so well outside of a strictly controled environment. If you want to engage in dialog out in the real world, you'll have to do better than that.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
When you guys have been to AARC and made your own observations then I would maybe listen to your views.AARC was started as KIDS but is not KIDS.You think you know but you don't.
Post by: Antigen on December 02, 2001, 12:20:46 AM
If AARC is such a pleasant place where clients enjoy respect and dignity (not to mention legally required human rights), then why are you lobbying for legislation that would allow you to employ force of law to compel people to stay?
And why are you here posting? I went to a pretty good school. It was pretty strict by some people's standards; generally 2 hrs a night of homework, 4 on weekends. Boys hair couldn't touch their (mandatory) colars, girls could not wear jeans. Don't even THINK about talking back to a teacher! If the teacher was wrong, you do your punishment and then take it up with the principal. But the principal was fair, the teachers were almost all decent people. The few who were mean spirited or incompetent didn't last long. All in all, it was a good school in my view.
I've run into my old schoolmates from time to time. Some of them hated the school and everything about it. But I don't feel compelled to hound them and convert them over to my way of thinking. Of course, my highschool was not a cult. The required adherance to the rules and a high level of accademic achievement during school hours, but not blind devotion for life. And they never once tried to physically prevent me from leaving or from contacting my family or law enforcement. How come kids on the lower levels at AARC are not allowed a day off to go shopping or bike riding? How come you never, ever leave them alone for a minute? Are you afraid they'll have time to think?
Several of your best advocates have already conceded that AARC brainwashed them. Do you have any idea what that means? Even the US Federal government (theoretically) draws the line at brainwashing and will not knowingly fund it.
-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Anonymity Anonymous
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 10:22:07 AM
About not leaving kids alone for one minute...I don't think that there is a better tool for brain washing than "In your head", which is where you are not allowed to be silent, sit off form other people, or not be active doing some AARC type thing. On the "breaks" you have to have one on ones with oldcomers or you'll be blasted, have to have one on ones with your peer's regularily, have to clean the building (bathrooms to carpets, cement floors and all) three times per day, have to work on your work book, do your readings, give back, take moral inventories, yadayadayada. Good treatment facilities aren't afraid of what will happen if their youth take some time to think about something, meditate, or have some peace and quiet. They maybe let them sit outside and enjoy the fresh air.
Not allowing youth to have privacy with outside people in a "secure" center doesn't allow youth to report mistreatment or abuse. Obviously that is benificial to some.
Post by: velvet2000 on November 01, 2001, 12:17:19 PM
I just wanted to advertise my new EZ board for those who have been through the Alberta Adolescent Recovery Centre! Hope you can all come and check it out, and maybe bring some survivors with you!
go to:
Post by: velvet2000 on November 01, 2001, 12:17:19 PM
Someone posted a very proffesional letter at my site stating how fabulous AARC is. My guess is that it's the man himself. And to think it only took a couple of weeks to get their attention : P
Post by: Kathy on December 01, 2001, 12:31:38 PM
YOU GO!!!!
Kathy
Post by: velvet2000 on December 02, 2001, 12:00:44 AM
Thanks! You should see the email I got last night...Oh man, this is gonna be interesting. They are very poor liars...They really are.
Post by: bannedbillw on December 01, 2001, 04:56:31 AM
tyu
Post by: bannedbillw on December 01, 2001, 05:10:19 AM
It's amazing how some people can go from singing, playing guitar at graduations and expressing tears of gratitude to having such radical and irrational beliefs. It's surprising how phony some people can be. Why did you ban my user name Bill.W? It makes me wonder why you guys are so afraid to have both sides of the story told. I find myself wondering if the issue is aarc or if it is just a bunch of relapsed graduates trying to find someone to justify and blame there actions on. As for the whole PROGRAMMED issue maybe some psychologist brainwashed you into believing you were programmed. What frustrates me the most is that the other side of the story is not allowed to be told. If you are going to write of your deep rooted opinions than let others express there's as well.
Post by: Another older AARC gradua on December 01, 2001, 07:07:20 PM
I like what banned bill W has to say reguarding your previous posting and also find it interesting that he/she was banned from this site. I have watched this site a bit over the past couple of days now and must say that I've read a lot of angry statements and false facts. I do believe it is told in A.A. that resentments are the number one killer of alcoholics. I think it's sad that so much time is spent resenting a place that has helped so many people. I gratuated AARC many years ago and have been sober for many years as well. I have been able to witness many young people go through AARC and improve their lives in some way. I have NO resentment to AARC and I have always been able to sleep at night. I do not have crazy thoughts any more, and I haven't really had any since I graduated AARC almost seven years ago. I DO function well in society and am doing well in life. I have a good job, people & family in my life, and am recieving a post-secondary education. I had none of these things seven years ago. I have absolutely no regrets and many friends in my life I know feel the same way. I agree with Banned Bill W. when he/she stated how strange it is that someone can go from being my grateful peer cousellor, singing songs and playing guitar at my graduation and preaching how much AARC has changed her life to me, to bashing them on a secret "hate aarc" website. Sad. I also wonder how you can speak on behalf of AARC staff so well when you're not sure who's even working there anymore. So far I've seen 3, maybe 4 people on this site who have something to complain about AARC, there's over 170 AARC graduates. Might as well let all of us come on.
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 07:47:25 PM
Another popular AA term, eh? First, I doubt SERIOUSLY that Kathy's banned anyone from the board. It's just not her style at all.
You can say whatever you like here. The difference is that we don't have to bob our heads and pretend you're making sense when you're not like some places we all know about. The "other" side of the story gets plenty of air play. Turn on Sally Jesse Raphael, Opra, a soap opera and there it is. Go to any public school campus and you'll see the same outlandish Program B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T. wrapped in the red and black DARE logo just about everywhere you turn.
This is the other side of the story; the truth. And no matter how you may try to shout us down, we'll still be here providing the truth to anyone who's interested. Ain't the First Amendment cool?
Post by: Bill W on December 01, 2001, 09:45:11 PM
"Why did you ban my user name Bill.W?"
Odd, it seems to work here ok
(This is really Ken H, I'm just testing for any "bans", none so far
Post by: GregFL on December 02, 2001, 02:29:33 AM
Well, the other side of the story has been told ad neasum for 30 something years. neither one of you have said one new word. AARc or whateverthefuckitiscalled sucks and is the same synanon crap under a different label that eveyone of these seed imitators says is so new and different and sucessfull.. And no, I am no relapsed junkie or any other name you wanna call people whom have taken a critical look at the program. Take your program baiting and shove it up your arse, boys. No one has or will ban your "opinion", we are just sick of hearing the same old line for the last 30 years. Try coming up with something new and maybe someone here will be interested in what you have to say.
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 03:37:58 PM
*rubs hands together like Dr. Vause always does before open meeting*
Okay now, I'm all pumped let's start responding! How about, a time in your past when you thought your username was banned but it wasn't and still haven't posted on the site that you are actually supposed to be posting on!
In my opinion...
Well let me start here about your comments on the girl who sang at graduations and all the fundraising events you asked her to sing at. It's very easy why she used to do that - because she was dependant on your approval of her and believed in you with all her heart and soul for a very long time. Then she witnessed so many things that she couldn't justify anymore and left, and then she realized that there was never any good to outweigh the bad, and that it had all been bad. That's why there's no other side to the issue. Like I said on the site you're supposed to be posting at, every cult offers a better more fulfilled life and believes that people on the outside aren't getting that devine opportunity. Oh, and that girl is hardly a relapsed grad, you know that because some of you will see her at meetings. You might know about all of the great things that she's aquired in her life since she LEFT aarc. Instead at singing at your fundraising functions she's been singing in recording studio's.
You know, I never believed that saying "Can't con a con"
because I was never a con in the first place. AARC needs to tell people that so that you feel that you are such a manipulative horrible person that you could never step outside of AARC - you're made to feel that all you will do is manipulate people into treating you like a real person ('enabeling') and then you will surely relapse if people aren't mean to you. Have you ever wondered why "safe" is a dirty word in AARC? Have to bounce around meetings sharing to people you hardly know, and opening up to oldcomers who you don't love so that you are never "safe" with anyone? Because if you are truly safe with them your deep fears may come true that you don't really want to be a part of aarc and aren't sure of your conviction in the place.
Well for old times sake I'm going to say "can't con a con" because that's the kind of depth your getting into by running to this board. Only the real saying is can't recruit someone who's been through the same cult family as you. Oh, and you're right there have only been a few of us posting, but there are more reading, and more who aren't online at all. The internet is the last thing that you should worry about.
If it's true that resentments are the #1 killer....Maybe I should call an ambulance for you now.
I myself am feeling fine.
Post by: lol on December 01, 2001, 05:18:27 AM
jl
Post by: lol on December 01, 2001, 05:40:11 AM
Worried?? Who's worried?? All you numb nuts have been able to do so far is post up a few flyers and create a couple of chat rooms that can only be found with some impossibly long user name. Trust me ive been around a while so I know of the people who are angry at aarc. On the flip side I know of the countless lives that have been changed for the better. If your going to do something than do it. Bring the cameras or better yet just watch the upcoming documentary on the nature of things (Geez they must have had to quiet the kids in the dungeon for the filming of that. Must have toned down the brainwashing techniques as well). But really I hope you guys have more in you than false identities over the Internet and cheesy comparisons of aarc to heavens gate and Dr.V to David Koresh, he doesn't even have glasses. Computer rage isn't that frightening. Here you go I will use some aarc LINGO: TO BE TOTALLY HONEST im sick of reading these pathetic threats. If your going to do something than do it but quit lobbing grenades that are complete duds without having the nuts to show your face.
Post by: velvet2000 on December 01, 2001, 08:29:39 AM
I personally beleive...
Speaking of showing faces, for those of you who don't know the post stating "jl" was just a confession that the poster is Dr. Vause, giving the initials for a name that he used as he pretended he was a lawyer.
Now that you know what kind of behavior he shows here, imagine how proffesional he is in private.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 12:37:21 PM
Oh, please don't be nervous,
It took a long time (at least 30 years) for you numbnuts to learn how to rape children's and young people's minds for a profit, so we really need to take our time to deal with you juuust right
I liked the following quote you made too: "Bring the cameras or better yet just watch the upcoming documentary on the nature of things (Geez they must have had to quiet the kids in the dungeon for the filming of that. Must have toned down the brainwashing techniques as well)."
Well, I would first like to say that I am an American fan of the CBC and watch the Nature of Things, The fifth estate, and other shows there quite a bit, I'm sure I'll be watching and taking a lot of notes about this little matter. However, you don't to seem to post the CBC airing date. Well no bother, I think I'll contact the CBC and find out.
"TO BE TOTALLY HONEST im sick of reading these pathetic threats. If your going to do something than do it but quit lobbing grenades that are complete duds without having the nuts to show your face."
Ah, how sweat, I'm soooo sorry Executive staff is a little pissed off, but hey, remember confidentiality?, you wrote the rules!
Post by: ramprato on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
"Ah, how sweat, I'm soooo sorry Executive staff is a little pissed off, but hey, remember confidentiality?, you wrote the rules!
Well, ok, you got me, that should of said "how SWEET", but then again are yow sweating yet Mr. Exec?, remember the commercial for that deodorant, "Never let em see ya sweat"!!!!!!!!!
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM
I have been watching all the postings for awhile and it has really got me thinking.I have heard and read a lot about KIDS, the Seed and other abusive treatment centers.I went through one in the States (not nearly as bad as you have encountered)I hear your anger, frustration and how hard it is to recover from that ordeal. It is true AARC originally was going to be Kids of the Canadian West but Dr.Vause and the parents from KIDS decided to not go that way.AARC is different than what you think. Before you judge AARC based on 2 people's resentments you need to hear all the facts.There has been out right lies made on this site and many misinformed opinions.Some experiences expressed are their own interpatation as we all know there is 3 sides to every story.Mine,yours and the truth.
I just want to be able to share my experience and I have to say that if it wasn't for AARC I would not be here today (yes it is treatment lingo but it relates to me)
I hope one day you find the solutions to your recovery and i hope you find peace,joy and forgiveness.I will always be grateful to AARC and people like you who remind why I choose the life I have.Thanks for keeping me grateful and free from the hate I used to feel.Good luck on your journey and God bless.
P.S Please do not bring B@*#n N@#ls name into this he chose his own way out and AARC had nothing to do with that.His parents had no resentment towards AARC when they asked Dr.V to speak at his funeral. I was there.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 04:37:55 PM
B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T.
Post by: gr8ful2aarc on December 01, 2001, 04:42:27 PM
What that is it? Is that all you can say?I thought you had all the answers guess not.
Post by: ramprato on December 01, 2001, 05:01:28 PM
The word I used to describe your post speaks for itself, what syllable don't you understand??
Post by: Antigen on December 01, 2001, 05:22:33 PM
If you're really tired of all this, then why are you still here? What, exactly, is the point?
I think it's funny as anything that ya'll got all worked up into a lather over that flyer. Reminds me of an old joke.
A farmer hangs and sticks a couple of pigs in preparation for a long winter. He goes back in the afternoon to take them down only to find them stolen. He says not a word to anyone, either about having killed the hogs or about their going missing.
Couple of weeks later, the farmer's talking over the fencepost with his good neighbor, who asks "Did you ever find out what happened to those stuck pigs?"
"Yeah", says the farmer, "just now."
Post by: FaceKhan on November 01, 2001, 07:21:45 AM
I finally spoke to another friend of mine who was sent to a wildnerness program this summer. According to what he was told it was run by Outward Bound in a program called Ascent or something like that. His description was of being placed with 6 kids who had some very serious problems, with 2 staff members that were very cult-like and strange for 28 days and being given very little food mostly nuts and sucking candies.
I was surprised to hear that Outward Bound would have such a program since their stated position on these kinds of ('punitive' for lack of a better word) programs is that they only do a very limited number of them and they are run by the same high standards as the rest of their programs. Apparently this is not the case. I have confirmed that Outward Bound does list a specialty program of theirs called Voyegeur Ascent, with canoeing being the primary activity which he described.
I don't know whether he is ok or not, he seemed very pissed off about the whole thing, like it was still very fresh in his mind. He described it as the most bullshit he ever had to deal with in his life.
There is one ray of sunshine in his story though, he narrowly escaped being sent to the Hyde School afterwards. His parents are definitely not well in the head.
Slavish discipline makes a slavish temper... If severity carry'd to the
highest pitch does prevail, and works a cure upon the present unruly
distemper, it often brings in the room of it a worse and more dangerous
disease, by breaking the mind; and then, in the place of a disorderly young
fellow, you have a low spirited moap'd creature, who, however with his
unnatural sobriety he may please silly people, who commend tame unactive
children, because they make no noise, nor give them any trouble; yet at
last, will probably prove as uncomfortable a thing to his friends, as he
will be all his life an useless thing to himself and others... Beating them,
and all other sorts of slavish and corporal punishments, are not the
discipline fit to be used in the education of those we would have wise,
good, and ingenuous men...
John Locke, 1692
Post by: Anonymous on March 13, 2002, 02:50:00 PM
Post by: Anonymous on March 27, 2002, 11:56:00 AM
Post by: FaceKhan on March 29, 2002, 04:28:00 PM
What possible relevence is my lifestyle whether healthy, unhealthy, or downright dangerous, have to do with my post?
Not as though it is any of your business but I manage to keep my own drug use down to a few shots of heroin a day with a couple of oxycontin tablets, and 3 bottles of Vodka for the weekends. I only steal when I need money to support my habit, but I am safe about it. I only rob elderly women who rely on social security, and I generally scam them over the phone or when I am feeling active, I pistol whip them and stomp their faces for a bit (for some excercise) and then I take their purses. Sometimes I run out old women to terrorize and I rob primary school children instead, but I seldom have to hurt them much. When most of them are in the hospital I deal crack to middle schoolers and force highschool freshmen girls into prostitution. That business is really picking up, so hopefully I won't have to beat up old women anymore.
Seriously though, I a college student who only occasionally indulges. I do my best to keep things clean and respectable although I must admit a particular fondness for slightly older girls with a morally causal attitude.
This posting is not about me it is about my friend who was sent to a dangerous wildnerness program by his clinically insane mother and his weak-willed father who have nothing better to do with their massive Potomac Maryland incomes but spend it on torturing their kids. If my internet had not been disconnected at home I would have said FUCK YOU much more promptly. Thank you.
Post by: ladyjerrico on March 29, 2002, 10:05:00 PM
Anyway, you shouldn't have to explain yourself to someone who won't even say who there are and show up anonymously.. hell, you should even have to do that to someone who DOES have a username on here.
What you do is your buisness, and should remain nobody else's.
No justification should be needed :smile:
Post by: Anonymous on April 19, 2002, 02:32:00 PM
Now a lot of you are probaly going to assume that I am up to no good and that I havent made any changes but your wrong. I have activly tried to fix the problems that i have. I go to counsoling and while things arent perfect they are a lot better. Not because I was at Hyde but because I took responsibilty for myself and my actions. Its impossible for a parents to make their "troubled youth" to do this though. They must choose to do this on their own. parents play a huge role in the problem though. it is so much easier for them to say that their kid is out of control and then they do nothing. a child is a product of their enviroment. parents have to look at the role they have in the problem and instead of blaming people they need to work together with their child to fix it. they have this responsibilty cause they are the mature ones.
if anyone has questions or comments for me you can e-mail me at
[email protected]
put something in the subject line cause that is my junk mail address....