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Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform => The Troubled Teen Industry => Topic started by: Whooter on January 15, 2011, 06:52:41 PM

Title: Academics in present programs
Post by: Whooter on January 15, 2011, 06:52:41 PM
I started this thread to discuss the academics provided by the present programs and discuss the ways they have improved (and have not improved) over the past several decades.  A good start may be to post the schools rooster of teachers and their qualifications.
Thread rules:
I want to keep posting in this thread limited to survivors and program parents only and exclude previous program teachers and staff because of their bias on the subject.

Program name: Bromely Brook

Teachers on staff as of 1/2011:

Balch, Colleen - Science Teacher B.A., Colby College; MS.Ed., Northern Illinois University

Burrow, Jeremiah - History Teacher B.A., Marlboro College; M.A.L.S, Dartmouth College

Clark, Kim - Teacher (no information)

Dawsen, Clemma - English Teacher BA in literature, creative writing and ceramic art from Bennington College, and an MFA in creative writing from Goddard College.

Lenfest, Chenoa - History Teacher.  She graduated from CSC with a B.A. in History and Minor in Political Science.

Meyer, William - Science Department  He earned a B.S. in Biochemistry from Yale University in New Haven CT and a Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the University of Washington in Seattle.

Noguero, Manuel - Language Teacher

Rubano, Pat – Teacher Bachelor of Science degree with a major in Mathematics and a minor in Computer Science from Pace University, Master of Business Administration degree

Bromley Brook School is accredited by CITA, licensed by Vermont Department of Children and Family Services, and a Recognized Independent School in the Department of Education in the State of Vermont. As such, our curriculum is approved by the State, facilitating appropriate credit transfer to other schools across the country. Our High School Diplomas are recognized by the State of Vermont.

Link (http://http://www.bromleybrook.com/staff.html)



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Title: Re: Academics in programs have excelled over last decade
Post by: Whooter on January 15, 2011, 07:03:02 PM
Academy at Swift River:

Here is a program teacher staff list:

These are the teachers that ASR have on staff.

Ballou-Baldwin, Martha    Administrative Assistant .... Licensed Practical Nurse

Gutermuth, Brittany    Teacher......BA in Environmental Studies

Jasinski, Chris    Teacher.......  BA in Linguistics and Minor in French

LaForest, Jennifer    Teacher .........Bachelor of Arts degree in Chemistry & Philosophy

Lyons, Judith    Learning Specialist .......Masters in Education from Fitchburg State.

Misener, Melinda    Teacher    .......degree in Comparative Literature.

Tripler, Charles    Teacher ......no info

Wallender, John    Teacher ......  bachelor’s from State University of New York,

Wilcox, Dennis    Academic Registrar/Scheduler   .......majored in Mathematics

Williams, Greg    Teacher  ....BA in Biology from the Univ of Penn.

Winston, Jeff    Teacher .....  Temple University with a degree in Communications.

Accreditation

CITA (Commission on International and Trans-Regional Accreditation)

Approved as a private school by the Mohawk Trail Regional School Committee in compliance with Massachusetts Chapter 71 Section 1

SEVIS-approved and qualified to accept international students



Link (http://http://www.swiftriver.com/about/staff.htm)



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Title: Re: Academics in programs have excelled over last decade
Post by: Ursus on January 15, 2011, 07:38:58 PM
Quote from: "Whooter"
Program name: Bromely Brook
Thanks for all that information, Whooter. Fwiw, you left out:

Clark, Kim - Teacher[/list]

Like Manuel Noguero, also a teacher at Bromley Brook, absolutely no information is listed. Perhaps it isn't available yet.

Btw, do you have a link for your info on Academy at Swift River?
Title: Re: Academics in present programs
Post by: Whooter on January 16, 2011, 07:49:31 AM
Quote from: "Ursus"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Program name: Bromely Brook
Thanks for all that information, Whooter. Fwiw, you left out:

    Clark, Kim - Teacher[/list]

    Like Manuel Noguero, also a teacher at Bromley Brook, absolutely no information is listed. Perhaps it isn't available yet.

    Btw, do you have a link for your info on Academy at Swift River?


    Fixed it.  Thank you Ursus.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 16, 2011, 01:47:18 PM
    Oakley School

    Academic Teachers:

    Campbell, Tim - English Teacher ….. B.A. in English from Colorado College

    Gines, Dallas - Learning Specialist …. Masters Degree in Special Education.

    Heesch, Adam - Art Instructor….. B.F.A. - Illustration – Brigham Young University

    Jacobs, Craig - English Teacher….. B.A. – History, University of Colorado,  B.S. – Journalism, University of Colorado

    Jones, Pat - Music Teacher ….. A.S. – Business, Salt Lake Community College

    Katchuk, Kay - Math Teacher … B.A. in Secondary Ed.,  M.S. in Math

    Noel, Richard - Physics Teacher …. degree in Psychology

    Prugh, Alex – Teacher ….  J.D. – Nova Southeastern University,  B.A. – Mercer University

    Spitzer, Justin - History Teacher ….    B.A., History, University of Michigan,  M.A., American History, University of Connecticut

    Veitinger, Craig - Math Teacher … B.S in Mathematics, minor in Engineering –Valparaiso University

    Williams, Jay - Science Teacher … B.S. – Biology

    B.S. – Biology … B.A. – U Mass, Masters Degree in Humanities – “Latino Immigrant Issues” – Prescott College

    Link (http://http://www.oakley-school.com/?referrer=http://www.aspeneducation.com/Res-schools.html&__utma=1.1302196430.1295133442.1295137084.1295202465.3&__utmb=1.25.6.1295202580151&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1295202465.3.3.utmcsr=google|utmccn=%28organic%29|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=aspen%20education&__utmv=-&__utmk=96589727)



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    Title: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 12:34:13 PM
    Quote from: "Troll Control"
    I've been saying this for many years.  The vast majority of these programs have "self-study" academics, no accreditation, no licensed teachers, etc.

    We had a long discussion several years ago about the Academy at Swift River, an Aspen Education Program, and the unaccredited academics there.  It was insisted by one poster here that all credits transfer, the school was accredited, etc., although he did admit that his own child had to repeat a year of highschool after leaving ASR.  He continued to claim "improvements have been made and all credits transfer and 100% of this kids get into the college of their choice."  This is false.

    After operating this "school" for over a decade, Aspen Education still does not provide transferable credits through its education program.  Here is a recent statement from just last year from a parent whose child was forced to repeat a year of high school after finishing the ASR program:

    Quote from: "ASR Parent"
    This school is not structured. The credits do not transfer to any school other than as those such as a gym class or band credits. My son, upon returning to regular highschool, had to repeat junior year while taking senior year. I do not recommend this school to anyone.
    Posted by a parent on 07/28/09

    Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

    Parents should beware Aspen Education's aggressive and false marketing of its "schools" which cannot issue diplomas nor transerable academic credits.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 12:35:31 PM
    Quote from: "Troll Control"
    Quote from: "Another ASR Parent"
    I lost most of my respect for this school when one of the therapists laughed at my child during a session. The schoolwork is below par in my standards, and I am inclined to pull my child out of this so called school.
    Posted by a parent on 01/12/09

    I suspect this was during a group session where confrontational "therapy" is performed by unlicensed line staff called "peer group counselors" who may or may not even have formal education beyond high school, but are not licensed to perform therapy of any kind.

    More on the group sessions used at ASR here:
    Quote from: "Yet Another ASR Parent"
    This is a therapeutic boarding school that is supposed to focus on personal growth. It is a very clinical environment and they have tremendous turnover in students. It is more like an RTC. The group therapy is done in groups of up to 26 kids at one time. I do not recommend this school.
    Posted by a parent on 04/06/06

    Link (http://http://www.trulia.com/schools/MA-Cummington/Academy_At_Swift_River/)

    Are parents told that the "group therapy" used at ASR has up to TWENTY-SIX KIDS in group?  How on earth can this be properly facilitated?  The "peer group counselors" who run these so-called therapy sessions aren't even educated or licensed to do this job and obviously don't have the ability to handle 26 patients at a time - nobody does.

    Parents should beware of Aspen Education's unlicensed, uneducated "therapists" and unaccredited academics.  Children cannot earn a diploma from ASR, nor do their credits transfer to properly accredited local highschools.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 12:38:28 PM
    Even Whooter's kid had to repeat a grade after her so-called "graduation" from ASR.  

    Quote from: "Troll Control"
    "Academics are one of ASR's strengths"?  Are you kidding?  Every kid who goes there repeats the grade, like yours did.  

    You always defended this by saying "academics aren't a concern when kids are at risk" but now you're saying kids flunking grades due to unaccredited academics is a strength.  You've got a few screws loose, IMO.

    Your kid flunked a grade and had to repeat it.  Explain how that is a "strength" so everyone can understand this Orwellian concept.

    She needed 5 years to complete highschool because she had to repeat a grade due to ASR's unaccredited "school".
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 12:42:09 PM
    Link (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=32575&start=0#p374467)

    Quote from: "scroft"
    Just for clarification sake for those of you who don't actually have the insight that I do, the majority of the students at RCS are actually NOT inner city. Another point is that my daughter attended that school and luckily we were able to get her out of there. All of this is true, as well as incident in Dec. with my daughter, where she was severely beaten, at the same time as a counselor. Gues who had to pay the medical expenses ? I did, because the privacy rights, of the other student had to be protected, as well as even though inadequate staffing allowed for this to occur, RCS did not pay.
    Two points : 1) after reading these posts I definitely am pursuing legal action. 2) This school needs to be shut down immediately.
    The kids are running that place. Nearly all the kids are having sex in the dorms, in the bathrooms at the SAC, in the bathrooms in the "school" bldg, everywhere !
    Poor education, unqualified staff, abuse and many other incidents.


    Some families are selling their homes and spending life savings to send their children there. Obviously filing complaints does not work. I also have reason to believe drug trafficking as I have filed complaints on this already. Complete mismanagement of medication, unmarked bottles, little baggies of drugs and no original prescriptions to be found. I gladly will provide more information on the specifics of the numerous incidents at RCS. All the children's health and safety are in danger there. Due to confidentiality, I have no contact information for any other parents, but to hope that they google and find this site.

    (EDITOR NOTE:  They will find it via Google, scroft.  I have assured that.)

    Nov 2009 to May 31, 2010 my daughter was at that "school". I am now paying for counseling for her to be treated for the trauma received from that school, in addition to the issues that were present prior to her attending.

    Having met many of the parents, during this time, they are most definitely not inner city. It is a sad situation. I do hope that this school gets shut down as soon as possible, and hopefully can refund me some of my money to put towards continued care now. Any attorney's please feel free to send me your information. So far the two I have seen are in LA and TX. I am in Nashville, TN.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 12:43:46 PM
    Quote from: "Guest3"
    Ridge Creek School is not recognized by the state of Georgia as a private school nor is it considered licensed by the state as a school; it is considered a child caring institution. Parents need to know this so they can make an informed decision before placing their child there. The fact that RCS is permitted to call itself a "school" is very questionable to me.

    RCS is not considered a "Private" school:
    http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/ci_exceptio (http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/ci_exceptio) ... ateSchools

    RCS is not considered a "Private" school by GAPSAC:
    http://www.gapsac.org/index.php?option= (http://www.gapsac.org/index.php?option=) ... 4&Itemid=3

    RCS is not considered a "Public" school:
    http://lumpkincounty.schoolinsites.com/?PN=Schools2 (http://lumpkincounty.schoolinsites.com/?PN=Schools2)

    RCS is not considered a "Charter" school:
    http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_charter.aspx (http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_charter.aspx)

    RCS is not considered a "State" school:
    http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_stateschools.aspx (http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_stateschools.aspx)

    Find " State Certified" teachers:
    http://www.gapsc.com/ (http://www.gapsc.com/)
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 12:45:34 PM
    Quote from: "Troll Control"
    Whooter posted anon for a while when he came back after dropping his old username "TheWho."  You can start reading here (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=27903&p=336806&hilit=asr+daughter+dropped+out#p336791) to get the flow of the conversation and a few posts below Whooter (posting anon) says his daughter actually dropped out of high school and it eventually took her 5 years to graduate because the 16 months she spent at ASR didn't count for any high school credits.  For what it's worth, at the time she was there, ASR was legally barred from issuing state diplomas and was not accredited at all, contrary to what Whooter says in this thread.  In the link above he even says they were working on accreditation.

    He also says she was smoking pot and drinking.  Dropping out + still using drugs + still drinking underage does not = "the program was successful" IMHO.  Rather it seems to have been a complete waste of time and money, not to mention setting her back 16 months academically.

    Please, Morgan, let your parents know about these programs that are not allowed to issue high school credits.  I did a quick search on the Academy at Sisters on the Oregon department of Education website (you can enter the search terms "Academy at Sisters" here (http://http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=2h&oq=&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGIH_enUS248US249&q=oregon+department+of+education) and see for yourself) and for the years they have data they show no graduates went on to college after leaving there.  They only "graduate" about 4 kids per year as well.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 12:47:35 PM
    Quote from: "Oscar"
    Ivy Ridge, home sold for $2.8m (http://http://www.wdt.net/article/20090425/NEWS05/304259976), Watertown Daily News

    The high school diploma case was too much for them. It seems that the future for this branch of WWASP is Oceanside (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Oceanside).
    From the article:

    Quote
    The Ivy Ridge (http://http://wiki.fornits.com/index.php?title=Academy_at_Ivy_Ridge) property is assessed at $1.9 million and the Route 37 home is assessed at $175,000. School officials didn't return calls for comment.

    The former Mater Dei College campus in the town of Oswegatchie was sold to Robert Browning Lichfield Family Limited, Toquerville, Utah, in August 2001 for $1.23 million. The Academy at Ivy Ridge, a school for troubled youths, opened a few months later.

    The behavioral modification school has been under scrutiny by the state for several years. Then-Attorney General Eliot L. Spitzer determined the school was making fraudulent claims that it was accredited and could issue high school diplomas. As a result of that investigation, Ivy Ridge agreed to pay nearly $1.5 million in refunds and fines.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 17, 2011, 07:02:57 PM
    I could go on ad nauseum on this topic, time permitting.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 17, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
    :bump:



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 18, 2011, 06:49:38 AM
    In short...they suck.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 18, 2011, 08:17:56 AM
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    In short...they suck.

    The academics in the program examples I provided are as good or better than what the kids were getting at home.  We need to keep in mind that many of the kids were not even going to school so just getting them into the classroom is a big step and then providing them with teachers who are experienced is even a better plus.  We can both find examples of happy and unhappy parents but the masters level academics that these schools provide speak for themselves.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 18, 2011, 10:41:10 AM
    Quote from: "Guest"
    If it's strong academics you're looking for be wary. My youngest son was incarcerated in a Therapeutic Boarding School in Ga. (by his father) for 18 mo. The facility was not licensed and took great pride in advertising as a college prep facility and tauted their accreditation through a prestigous assoc, SACS.
    My son returned home in May and was distressed to learn that he is behind his peers. While most of his friends will be attending 4 classes their senior year, he will have to take the full load, 7 to make up for credits he lost while there. Check with other parents and the board of education.


    Caveat emptor, parents.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 18, 2011, 10:45:00 AM
    I would also caution parents when reading posts by Whooter that he is an industry shill here to promote programs.  Also, if you read carefully, you will see no sources other than the marketing sites of these programs.  

    Here's how Whooter's argument works:

    Whooter:  "School X has great academics!"

    You:  "How do you know that?"

    Whooter:  "School X's website says so."

    Me:  "No shit, Sherlock."

    These places are notorious for false advertising, so you have to be careful and look for independent verification of Whooter's/program's claims.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 18, 2011, 10:50:52 AM
    There are many posters here on fornits who are angry with programs because they did not do well or did not complete the program.  There are others who were fired for lying on their resume and therefore can not get a job in the industry again.  They blame the program for their lack of employment and they struggle with accountability in this area.  These posters write negative posts about programs similar to the ones above.

    What you need to look at are the credentials of the teachers and the degrees they have received.  If there are any questions then the best thing to do is ask the school directly or confirm their status with the state agencies.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 18, 2011, 10:54:50 AM
    And then there is Whooter who admits he works for the industry.  Of course you don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?  

    Parents should recognize that the only one with a financial stake in the proceedings here on this site is Whooter who draws his income from programs.  He's highly motivated to protect that income stream.  The rest of people here are just telling their story or are researching the facts and presenting them to the public because this industry is notoriously secretive and underhanded.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 18, 2011, 11:11:18 AM
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    And then there is Whooter who admits he works for the industry.  Of course you don't bite the hand that feeds you, right?  

    Parents should recognize that the only one with a financial stake in the proceedings here on this site is Whooter who draws his income from programs.  He's highly motivated to protect that income stream.  The rest of people here are just telling their story or are researching the facts and presenting them to the public because this industry is notoriously secretive and underhanded.

    I think we differ greatly here, DJ.  I would not suggest taking advice from strangers on the internet anyway.  I think this is a good place to get some guidance but for the facts I suggest that readers talk to the school directly and to parents who had kids go through the program.  I think we can both agree here.  Taking the advice of disgruntled ex-employees is risky and full of bias at best.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 18, 2011, 12:14:43 PM
    I agree that if there is a disgruntled employee somewhere - I'm not aware of any here on Fornits - then their advice should be taken in context.  

    Of course, the only thing worse than that is taking advice directly from a person who has a financial stake in the industry.  Personally, I ignore the marketing sites of programs (they are proven false advertisers/hucksters) and also their shills that promote the programs here (such as Whooter).

    Once you rule out the industry insiders and industry marketing sites, what's left is the ex-employees, ex-residents and ex-program parents and most importantly watchdog groups/oversight agencies.  That's where most of the credible information comes from.

    A dead giveaway that you are being scammed is if the person purveying the information provides a link to a program site as their reference of the programs "goodness".  That person is actively scamming you using the marketing materials of the program.  

    Notice all of Whooter's posts rely on information from the program websites with no independent verification.  He's in on the scam, folks.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 18, 2011, 12:21:40 PM
    I do admit that I like to provide links to back up my arguments. Linking to outside sources has just been a habit for a long time with me.  For example here is some academic information on Ridge Creek School (emphasize on the word "School"):

    Ridge Creek Therapeutic Boarding School utilizes an individualized approach to allow for intensive study for remediation as well as enrichment. Students have the opportunity to earn their high school diploma. 100% of our high school graduates are accepted into a college. The combination of personalized study, integrated curriculum, and academic support provides our students with a solid academic foundation for the rest of their lives.

    and here is the link to back up the information I provided:

    Link (http://http://www.ridgecreekschool.com/academics.htm)



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 18, 2011, 12:23:10 PM
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"

    Of course, the only thing worse than that is taking advice directly from a person who has a financial stake in the industry.  Personally, I ignore the marketing sites of programs (they are proven false advertisers/hucksters) and also their shills that promote the programs here (such as Whooter).

    Once you rule out the industry insiders and industry marketing sites, what's left is the ex-employees, ex-residents and ex-program parents and most importantly watchdog groups/oversight agencies.  That's where most of the credible information comes from.

    A dead giveaway that you are being scammed is if the person purveying the information provides a link to a program site as their reference of the programs "goodness".  That person is actively scamming you using the marketing materials of the program.  

    Notice all of Whooter's posts rely on information from the program websites with no independent verification.  He's in on the scam, folks.

    Thank you, Whooter, for proving my point.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 18, 2011, 12:31:18 PM
    DJ, your desperation in trying to discredit people that disagree with you shows that you lack confidence in your own beliefs.  I have provided links to outside sources and suggest parents contact the schools directly and speak with them and parents who have been through the process.  I dont expect any parent or reader to take the word of a random stranger on the internet.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 18, 2011, 12:34:17 PM
    No you didn't.  You provided links to Ridge Creek, Inc's website.  Why lie about it?  It's obvious you're a shill for them, so no need to try to lie about where your links go - straight to their marketing site.  If you don't feel discredited by it, perhaps you should.  I think others recognize when they click your links they are directed to the program's site.  That's your source - the program.  No independent verification whatsoever.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 18, 2011, 12:47:22 PM
    Sorry we disagree here DJ.  The school is accredited to teach high school level course.  They have class rooms and teachers and have received approval to teach in the State of Georgia.

    Georgia Accrediting Commission (GAC) .  As much as you try to mislead the readers, DJ, Ridge Creek is still a school.  Thats why it is called Ridge Creek School.  lol



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 12:25:10 PM
    I don't have the patience to wander thru Whooter's rantings, so I'll just ask the question......are the schools accredited by a reputable entity?  Are their credits transferable to a regular school/college?
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 02:37:11 PM
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    I don't have the patience to wander thru Whooter's rantings, so I'll just ask the question......are the schools accredited by a reputable entity?  Are their credits transferable to a regular school/college?

    Some programs are and others are not.  You need to look at the specific program.  Ridge Creek School is accredited by the Georgia Accrediting Commission (GAC).  Jill Ryan posted some information on this in another thread.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
    Many of these "schools" operate outside the law and are not licensed by the states in which they operate:

    Quote from: "Guest3"
    Ridge Creek School is not recognized by the state of Georgia as a private school nor is it considered licensed by the state as a school; it is considered a child caring institution. Parents need to know this so they can make an informed decision before placing their child there. The fact that RCS is permitted to call itself a "school" is very questionable to me.

    RCS is not considered a "Private" school:
    http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/ci_exceptio (http://public.doe.k12.ga.us/ci_exceptio) ... ateSchools

    RCS is not considered a "Private" school by GAPSAC:
    http://www.gapsac.org/index.php?option= (http://www.gapsac.org/index.php?option=) ... 4&Itemid=3

    RCS is not considered a "Public" school:
    http://lumpkincounty.schoolinsites.com/?PN=Schools2 (http://lumpkincounty.schoolinsites.com/?PN=Schools2)

    RCS is not considered a "Charter" school:
    http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_charter.aspx (http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_charter.aspx)

    RCS is not considered a "State" school:
    http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_stateschools.aspx (http://www.doe.k12.ga.us/pea_stateschools.aspx)

    Find " State Certified" teachers:
    http://www.gapsc.com/ (http://www.gapsc.com/)
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 02:43:12 PM
    Some do work outside the law, I think we agree here.    Ridge Creek School is accredited by the Georgia Accrediting Commission (GAC).  Jill Ryan posted some information on this in another thread, I will see if I can locate this for you.  I think they come up for re-accreditation in July 2011.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 02:46:07 PM
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Some do work outside the law, I think we agree here.

    Can you provide us a list of the ones you are aware of that operate illegally?  Thanks in advance.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 02:52:02 PM
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Some do work outside the law, I think we agree here.

    Can you provide us a list of the ones you are aware of that operate illegally?  Thanks in advance.

    That would be a long list, there are estimated to be about 500 or more programs presently in operation.  99% of them are operating legally so the means there are about 5 programs which are operating outside the law.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 02:52:57 PM
    Go ahead and name them, please.  I'd like to see your list.

    Any source for your claim "99% operate legally"?  I'd like to see that, too.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 02:57:48 PM
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Go ahead and name them, please.  I'd like to see your list.

    Any source for your claim "99% operate legally"?  I'd like to see that, too.

    This thread was started for Academics in programs.  I have started to list the academics in several programs.. it will take awhile to get them all listed.



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 03:00:34 PM
    Just give us the ones that you said operate illegally.  

    We can get the information you're posting right from the program websites.  You're just copying/pasting, so it's not really "work" and we already know where to get program marketing materials.

    I see you offered no source for your "99%" claim either.  Do you have a source, or is this just a figure you dreamed up?
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 03:01:27 PM
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Go ahead and name them, please.  I'd like to see your list.

    Any source for your claim "99% operate legally"?  I'd like to see that, too.

    This thread was started for Academics in programs.  I have started to list the academics in several programs.. it will take awhile to get them all listed.

    Make it easy on yourself and list the ones that don't meet the criteria.  Gawwwwwwwwwwwd, you are so transparent.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 03:09:58 PM
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Some do work outside the law, I think we agree here.

    Can you provide us a list of the ones you are aware of that operate illegally?  Thanks in advance.

    That would be a long list, there are estimated to be about 500 or more programs presently in operation.  99% of them are operating legally so the means there are about 5 programs which are operating outside the law.



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    We need to see the source you base your claims on, Whooter.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 03:13:51 PM
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Go ahead and name them, please.  I'd like to see your list.

    Any source for your claim "99% operate legally"?  I'd like to see that, too.

    This thread was started for Academics in programs.  I have started to list the academics in several programs.. it will take awhile to get them all listed.

    Make it easy on yourself and list the ones that don't meet the criteria.  Gawwwwwwwwwwwd, you are so transparent.

    Maybe there are no illegal ones.  What does your list look like?



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 03:22:09 PM
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Some do work outside the law, I think we agree here.

    Can you provide us a list of the ones you are aware of that operate illegally?  Thanks in advance.

    That would be a long list, there are estimated to be about 500 or more programs presently in operation.  99% of them are operating legally so the means there are about 5 programs which are operating outside the law.



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    Source??  Or fabrication???
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Anne Bonney on January 19, 2011, 03:44:16 PM
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Go ahead and name them, please.  I'd like to see your list.

    Any source for your claim "99% operate legally"?  I'd like to see that, too.

    This thread was started for Academics in programs.  I have started to list the academics in several programs.. it will take awhile to get them all listed.

    Make it easy on yourself and list the ones that don't meet the criteria.  Gawwwwwwwwwwwd, you are so transparent.

    Maybe there are no illegal ones.  What does your list look like?

    What list?  I never claimed to have any such list.  You did.  Back it up with sources.  99%......Bwahahahahahahahahaah
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 03:49:15 PM
    Quote from: "Anne Bonney"

    What list?  I never claimed to have any such list.  You did.  Back it up with sources.  99%......Bwahahahahahahahahaah
    I dont have a list either.  I heard it estimated that there are around 500 programs in existence today.  But I dont know the names of them all. lol



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 03:53:46 PM
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Some do work outside the law, I think we agree here.

    Can you provide us a list of the ones you are aware of that operate illegally? Thanks in advance.

    That would be a long list, there are estimated to be about 500 or more...operating outside the law.



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    Thanks for being honest about it.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    Quote from: "Whooter"
    Some do work outside the law, I think we agree here.

    Can you provide us a list of the ones you are aware of that operate illegally? Thanks in advance.

    That would be a long list, there are estimated to be about 500 or more...operating outside the law.



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    Thanks for being honest about it.

    I have never seen a list of the good or the bad.  Do you have a link to your source?



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    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Dysfunction Junction on January 19, 2011, 03:59:10 PM
    I just quoted you. You said "500 programs" are "operating illegally."  I just wanted you to name some for us.  By your numbers I guess it's pretty close to all of them.
    Title: Re: Academics in present programs
    Post by: Whooter on January 19, 2011, 04:00:15 PM
    Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction"
    I just quoted you. You said "500 programs" are "operating illegally."  I just wanted you to name some for us.  By your numbers I guess it's pretty close to all of them.

    Wow, thats amazing, do you have a link?  lol



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    Title: Re: Academics in programs have excelled over last decade
    Post by: Whooter on January 20, 2011, 10:02:25 PM
    Updated

    Academy at Swift River:

    Here is a program teacher staff list:

    These are the teachers that ASR have on staff.

    Ballou-Baldwin, Martha    Administrative Assistant .... Licensed Practical Nurse

    Gutermuth, Brittany    Teacher......BA in Environmental Studies, Masters in Education

    Jasinski, Chris    Teacher.......  BA in Linguistics and Minor in French

    LaForest, Jennifer    Teacher .........Bachelor of Arts degree in Chemistry & Philosophy

    Lyons, Judith    Learning Specialist .......Masters in Education from Fitchburg State.

    Misener, Melinda    Teacher    .......degree in Comparative Literature.

    Tripler, Charles    Teacher ......no info

    Wallender, John    Teacher ......  bachelor’s from State University of New York,

    Wilcox, Dennis    Academic Registrar/Scheduler   .......majored in Mathematics

    Williams, Greg    Teacher  ....BA in Biology from the Univ of Penn.

    Winston, Jeff    Teacher .....  Temple University with a degree in Communications.

    Accreditation

    CITA (Commission on International and Trans-Regional Accreditation)

    Approved as a private school by the Mohawk Trail Regional School Committee in compliance with Massachusetts Chapter 71 Section 1

    SEVIS-approved and qualified to accept international students



    Link (http://http://www.swiftriver.com/about/staff.htm)



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