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Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on July 26, 2006, 04:26:03 PM
Is there anyone at there who was a student at Logan River Academy?  My child is currently there and I am looking for a little support, reassurance, information...good or bad, from past students or parents.  Thnaks.
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on July 27, 2006, 11:29:24 PM
Could you provide a link to the facility please?
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2006, 01:57:39 AM
yes, heard of it, spoken to alumni...no, would not recommend.  doesn't appear to be as restrictive as some, but they do use isolation quite a bit, therapy is of questionable benefit given the coercion used.

I'd ask alumni on myspace.com  they have a group there...  serach groups for Logan River.
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on July 28, 2006, 02:19:02 PM
This is rather an odd time to ask, and an interesting board on which to ask.   Did you investigate first?  Where/how?

LRA uses a level system, which is not unusual, and is administratively easier than some alternates that focus on causes rather than consequences.  They also have as their "root philosophy" a behavior modification approach, which doesn't solve problems, whatever they may be.  Not the worst of places, but there are many better, if placement is "needed" at all.
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on August 23, 2006, 02:20:50 PM
LRA is a fantastic facility, i have visited the program several times as I have researched residential treatment centers for at-risk/troubled teens.  For the record I am not employed nor associated with any RTC, and supporting LRA provides no gain to me, it is definetely one of the best RTC's that I looked at!  If you have further questions post your e-mail adress and i'd be glad to communicate further with you!
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2006, 08:09:07 PM
Quote from: ""Bart""
Is there anyone at there who was a student at Logan River Academy?  My child is currently there and I am looking for a little support, reassurance, information...good or bad, from past students or parents.  Thnaks.


Beware of LRA- not cool place... just ask some of the alumni over on myspace.com  They'll be glad to speak!

http://groups.myspace.com/livinghell (http://groups.myspace.com/livinghell)


This place is not all that different that the rest of the unethical places out there.

Very Sad ...
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on September 06, 2006, 08:10:24 PM
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
Thanks K good info to pass along.


 :wink:
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: survivor122770 on September 08, 2006, 07:29:35 PM
deleted.. see next post.
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: survivor122770 on September 08, 2006, 07:51:09 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""
This is a strictly question and answer board. If you feel the need to start a flame fest have at it up in troubled teens. The guest is more than welcome to post his or her comments. However, given the fact that the guest has left no comments either way to support the claim of LRA being a nice nice little place and the others have provided links with eye witness testimony I have to say that LRA is nothing more than a run of the mill money making BM bust em up torture center.
sorry didnt mean to step on your toes. i am starting to get the feeling you dont like me for some strange reason. i was just speaking from my heart and four long years of torturous hell. wasnt trying to start up a flame fest but i have no intention of sugar coating these programs to these parents. the threat is real and needs to be presented that way. i didnt realise that this board was for questions and answers only. my bad for not reading the instructions. since you dont like me i will make sure i dont post on your boards again.  thank you though for your acknoweledgment and agreement on that program . later dude

 this was me ,and yes i forgot to log in AGAIN!!!
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: NongShim on May 16, 2007, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Three Springs Waygookin""

 
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on November 19, 2007, 03:52:25 AM
I was beaten badly here. It was the worst experience of my life. This program has no real merit and is a money scam for lazy or hopeless parents who don't want to have to deal with their child's problems.
Title: Logan River Academy
Post by: Che Gookin on November 19, 2007, 04:25:02 AM
Please.. Please... give us more details about the place.

When did you go?

How long where you there for?


I'd ask why you were sent, but I believe that no kid should go to a program for any reason so the question is moot.

Did they have a stage system?

details.. please!!!
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: psy on September 04, 2008, 12:04:54 PM
bump
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on April 15, 2009, 12:29:24 PM
I guess you would call me an lra success story. I am in college now, a big university about to finish my sophomore year. I wish for those of you with no prior experience would not put in your two cents. LRA still haunts me. I wake up some mornings crying because i think that i am still there. Not all of it was bad. I had a therapist who i believe genuinly cared for me, or maybe she justsaw that there was some hope for me. Your children will leave with a better knowledge of drug use and of criminal activity than they had before, thats for sure. DEVO is the isolation teqnique that is used. Kidds sit up there for weeks sometimes months not allowed to say a word. Not allowed to move their head during the day, or shift their feet, getting five minute breaks to go to the bathroom and then they go to sleep and it starts again the next day. OBS is what they call the observation room. If you are disrupting. They trow u in this 4 by 5 foot room and you have to sit in there on the floor alone and sometimes sleep there on the floor. You are monitered during your sleep always so that kids dont run away. The most scaring experience for me was going in and being strip searched every time i got back froma visit. (squat and cough).

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WOULD TELL PARENTS IS.... if your child is at logan river, and by a miracle you actully get to talk to them on the phone, NEVER END A CONVERSATION ON  A BAD NOTE. whether or not they let you know, they have waited a week for that, and thats the only hope they have sometimes. if one ends badly they will spend the eitire week until the next phone call wondering if they will get to talk to you again, if you even want to talk to them, miss them, still love them, etc....

any queastions just ask me.

o, and if they were going to a decent school before hand, LRA's academics is ajoke and they will learn nothing during the course of their academic life there.
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on May 09, 2009, 02:15:07 PM
lraex2007,

I am parent considering sending my 14 year old teen to a RTC. For the past 1 year and a half, her actions and lack of judgement has gotten worse. She shows no respect to the house rules and sees nothing wrong with coming home at 1 am in the morning or 11 pm at night, failing classess and getting into fights, and exprimenting with marijuana. I have tried to reason with her and keep hoping she'll wake up. There are days she is fine and is the duaghter I know but the very next day and turn defiant. She is passive aggressive defiant and does things to push the buttons of me and her father and other authority figures in school she "doesn't like".

I love my daughter and want the best for her. I would appreciate it if you could give me your feedback on whether the LRA helped you.

Mom Looking for Help
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: maruska on May 09, 2009, 06:07:27 PM
I am a mother of two teenagers and everything you describe is "normal" teenage behaviour...why would you take the risk and send your daughter away and let total strangers handle her?
Parenting is the hardest job ever...but nobody can do it for you...
Do not trust anybody who tells you otherwise .
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: Oscar on May 10, 2009, 04:34:29 AM
If you research the facebook and myspace groups on our european datasheet (http://http://www.secretprisonsforteens.dk/fornitswiki/index.php/Logan_River_Academy), you will notice that they still used DEVO's (Sitting in a chair for days) as punishment.

It is no a place to recommend for a child. Their treatment approach does not target the need of the individual kid but they treat all for everything in the hope that it somehow helps.
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2009, 01:53:50 PM
It really isn't that bad.  I went there when I was 15 and was there for 8 months.  I'm 21 now and a junior/ psych major at a big university.  DEVO was easy to avoid as long as you do what you are supposed to and don't break the rules.  I think it's a good punishment because most of the kids there do have problems with following rules and avoiding DEVO gives them incentive to change that.  I think I only got sent there like 3 times for 2 hour increments during my whole 8 months.  Achieving higher levels helps to set small goals and make students more achievement oriented.  The only problem I have with their therapeutic approach is that it focuses mostly on behavioral conditioning, which can work for periods of time, but isn't necessarily going to put permanent changes into place.  However, I think that in many cases it may work until maturity kicks in and the impulsive risk taking behaviors that are present in many adolescents (though in some cases much more extreme) begin to disappear.  Academics are not the best quality, but it's high school, not that many kids get much out of that anyway.  And I'm pretty sure that most of the people being sent there were not taking advantage of their educational opportunities while they were at home anyway.  The easy course load actually gave me a chance to raise my GPA that I had ruined during my freshman year in high school.  So, overall I would recommend this program.  There are some flaws, but nothing is perfect.  I think a lot of kids that were unsuccessful were the ones who held too much resentment and focused on that instead of the opportunity they have to really start over.  I also HIGHLY recommend that you would send your child to a wilderness program before this, because it REALLY gives a huge jump start and it was definitely a big part of my success once I arrived at LRA.  Put a lot of research into it before you chose what wilderness program, but I went to second nature and I could honestly say it was the best experience of my life.  I'd also recommend hiring an educational consultant, that's what my mom did and I think he helped her make decisions that were definitely the most beneficial to me.  Also, as much as you may hate your kid for whatever they are doing, give them CONSTANT support, they still love you even if it doesn't seem like it.  My mom used to be my worst enemy and now she is my best friend.  Also if you have any questions post your email and I can email you.
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: Anonymous on October 04, 2009, 05:56:01 PM
ANTI DEFAMATION OF YOUTH WORKERS

WASTE NO MORE TIME ON THESE SPOILED LITTLE RICH FORNIT BRATS.
Are you interested in helping our society, stay posted, we will have a web site soon Center for Anti Defamation of Professional Youth Workers

We are going to get a seasoned attorney who has a practice relegated to national  internet defamation,  and who ever donates a certain amount will have access to our strategies and tactics to shut down Michael Crawford's little Fornit Defamers, and their overall revenge insurgency against some good folks.  Granted it all stems from hurt and anger but some of us are innocent of abuse and have had enough!

This dirty mouthed little punk Che was afraid of the big bad streets of Redlands, because deep down he is a boob and yet he uses profanity that his name sake Che Guevara would consider childish. Keep your conversation going with him he will finally loose it and start talking about having sex with farm animals. Ursus thinks he is really  cute and admires his cruddy little mouth.

They all come from rich families and are the Lyndsey Lohan squad.   Not one of them have had to make it on their own.   And they are biting the hand that fed them.   These are not poor foster kids, or kids in custody these are the HOLLYWOOD brats that are chasing their tails.  The State custody kids are in the real crap holes, but these pequeño burgués ( Ursus and Che look it up could care less).
Title: Re: Logan River Academy
Post by: cheeza_tower on September 24, 2010, 07:50:25 AM
this is quite a bump (11 months) but after looking through the various posts on this board, well as the wiki, I was pretty surprised at how little seems to be written about this place, and what is written is incredibly short-sighted and ignorant.

I know that a number of the things mentioned here have already been said, this is just a complete version of all of those aspects based upon my experience there.

I should point out that everything I know about this place was 100% accurate circa late 2005-september 2006, meaning that it could be totally different now, but I would suspect that not a whole bunch has changed there.

This is the only "therapeutic boarding school" (or whatever the currently accepted is euphemism is) that I went to as a teen.   My issues were mostly depression/drug-related but I didn't think they were a huge deal at the time and almost 5 years later, I know they weren't a big deal.  Just a slightly more intense manifestation of normal teen angst blown out of proportion by overly protective (but genuinely concerned) parents and then compounded in turn by an "educational consultant" (who, incidentally, I never met or even talked to on the phone until after I was done with the program and living at home again) who supposedly knew what was best for me and wanted to help...for the obligatory fee.  It goes without saying, but I was fairly affluent growing up--a fact that I feel neither pride nor shame about, but I should point out that most people in the same family financial situation that I knew growing were/are spoiled brats out of touch with the world.

The experience definitely left me bitter, but the actual program wasn't actually the worst part once I got somewhat acclimated.  It definitely sucked and was a crappy experience, but through my various interactions with several other people who have had similar experiences through the years I've concluded that it really is not nearly as bad as some of them get.  It operates on a level system of which I can't recall the specifics beyond Level 1 being the lowest and Level 8 being the highest (with levels 7 & 8, and maybe 6 residing in the "high status" unit).

Arrival at the facility was with an "escort" who fed me line upon line of what I later learned was pure BS about the place during the entire trip there, which is pretty standard I guess.  I really never got too upset about that though--he was just trying to keep me calm because I'm sure he's had kids go nuts on him before, and I was almost certainly feeding him just as much BS about how I thought this was a great opportunity for me or whatever anyway.  When I got there, I was searched and interviewed, which I totally expected, but then I had all my clothes taken from me, searched again, including the "squat-and-cough."  It seemed intense to me at the time, but seriously, after having been to actual jail several times when I was 18-19, I realize that this was nothing.  I then had to sit in devo for a few hours before going to my assigned unit and later getting my clothes and whatnot back.

Which brings me to devo, which was more or less accurately described already.  Somebody may have mentioned this too, but the amount of time spent in devo for any given infraction was based upon the severity as determined by fairly subjective "class" and points systems.  A minor offense, such as offhandedly cursing in the residential portion or forgetting homework at the school would be regarded by most staff and teachers as a class 1 infraction.  These didn't actually warrant any time in devo by themselves, but 3 accumulated in a week would give you a class 2 infraction, which could also be a punishment for something slightly worse, like cursing angrily at a student/staff in a derogatory way.  A standard class 2 would be 8 devo points, which would be four 25-minute sessions of sitting upright, looking straight ahead, and doing homework/reading a "therapy book" (which was basically either a torn-up AA Big Book/NA Basic Text or a hopelessly corny Chicken Soup For The Teenage Soul).  You couldn't doodle/draw but really you could as it was rarely noticed if done in a discreet manner.  There were also 5-minute "breaks" after each 25 minute structure session, but as far as I recall the only thing that differentiated these from the structure was that you could ask to go to the bathroom, change your body's position in your seat, and ask to get a new book.

Devo was pretty mind-numbing, but it really didn't suck that bad unless you committed a class 3+ offense.  As far as I recall, a class 3 was at least 50 points and a class 4 was 200+.  3's were generally the most extreme versions of class 2's, like fighting, and the mild forms of class 4's, which were things like drug/alcohol/tobacco use--even if it wasn't actually carried out, plans were enough for punishment.  Class 5's were reserved for those who ran away from the facility and if I remember correctly it wasn't based on points but it was a standard minimum 30 days of living up there in the tiny devo room---sleeping (they did have one bunk), eating, and school.  You would also get your clothes taken away from you (including underwear and socks most of the time for some reason I could never understand--it seems hard to do anything bad with those, especially considering that recent runaways were not allowed out of direct eyesight except in the bathroom, and even then the door needed to be open).

Being male, I really don't know a whole lot about the girls' staff/devo, but I have no reason to believe its not fairly similar to the boys'.

Still though, nothing about the entire experience is really too bothersome to me when I think about it, except for recalling a portion of that staff that was fairly large (but definitely not the majority) who truly neither gave a crap about their jobs, nor understood what the implications on the effects of having such a position of authority in the life of a teen that was already obviously not doing so well was.  Pretty much every single staff there that did not hold a high-ranking (within the staff) position was an undergraduate student at USU, which is also in Logan.  In fact, the psychologists were pretty much the only staff members that had a post-graduate degree, as the rest of the staff had a bachelor's in a totally irrelevant field (which is not that big of a deal--that seems to happen for everyone with a degree at every job ever) or a grad student.  As a current undergrad student, I can tell you with a great degree of certainty that neither I nor anyone I even sort-of know that is in my peer group would be a good choice for a job like that.  Take that for what you will. Still, as much as I hate to say it, I totally understand why some of the staff were bitter assholes.  Not to excuse it, it is totally unprofessional, but I get it.

Most of the kids there were really, really, really tough to work with.  They adamantly refused to listen to anything anyone says based solely on the reason that it was not something that they were saying.  I saw so many kids willingly work towards getting punished for reasons I still don't understand.  It seemed dumb to me then, and it seems incredibly dumb to me now.  They piss and moan about how they get "beat up" when in reality all that happened was they got restrained after viciously attacking someone.  They talked about their "freedom" and the "oppression" the face like being a self-centered asshole committing felonies to support their drug habit is somehow a political ideal.  They acted like being sent to LRA by a court in Los Angeles (which seems to be where a majority of the kids are from, interestingly enough) was cruel and unusual, while being completely ignorant of the fact that most of the kids in the same position who didn't have rich parents who could afford an expensive lawyer would have been in CYA so fast it would have made their heads spin.

The program really didn't help me too much, but I'm of the school of thought that dictates that I'm responsible for my own actions, so ultimately nothing could/would change for me until I made and honest effort tried.  And I did and, holy shit, it worked.  Far better than any program or medication or treatment in general ever did, too.

If this program helps your kid, then great.  It really is ultimately up to them, but this could help.  I really can only say what worked for me.  I don't know what works for anyone other than myself.

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I also HIGHLY recommend that you would send your child to a wilderness program before this, because it REALLY gives a huge jump start and it was definitely a big part of my success once I arrived at LRA.  Put a lot of research into it before you chose what wilderness program, but I went to second nature and I could honestly say it was the best experience of my life.  I'd also recommend hiring an educational consultant, that's what my mom did and I think he helped her make decisions that were definitely the most beneficial to me.  Also, as much as you may hate your kid for whatever they are doing, give them CONSTANT support, they still love you even if it doesn't seem like it.  My mom used to be my worst enemy and now she is my best friend.

I mostly agreed with you right up until this portion.  This portion of "educational consultants" are an even bigger scam than psychiatry.  As I said before, I never interacted in any way with my "consultant" before going there.  They hide behind the shield of using terminology (and even the same title) from an actual professional field that is kind of retarded in and of itself (educational consulting) to sound legitimate, much in the same way that psychiatry/psychology (the "founding fathers" of which are all well-documented proponents of methods that would be considered cruel and inhumane, even in "psychiatry" today, or drug addicts.  See Wilhelm Wundt, Ivan Pavlov, Sigmund Freud, et. al.) hides behind the terminology of an actual science (medicine) to sound legitimate.

As far as the bold section goes, unless you are an omnipresent and omniscient being who is able to know the thoughts of anyone and everyone, anywhere, at any given time, speak for yourself and ONLY yourself when it comes to how people feel.

Still, your choice of major is enlightening as it explains a great dceal about why most psychologists are, in fact, head cases themselves--their initial interest in the field came from being on the receiving end of treatment themselves.

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WASTE NO MORE TIME ON THESE SPOILED LITTLE RICH FORNIT BRATS

exactly.  just browsing the index page feels like witnessing a private high school civics class oral report from that one kid who thought he was a revolutionary because openly smoked a lot of weed and would blast rage against the machine in the parking lot...from his lexus.  idiots.

oh and yes I am well aware that due to this post being so long, pretty much no one will read it.  which kind of proves my point (if I had one).
Title: Father saved son from Logan River Academy and got jailed
Post by: Oscar on February 25, 2014, 04:33:54 PM

A father arranged for his son to get marriaged. As result the son could not be imprisoned at Locan Giver Academy.

His father was sentenced to 180days in jail.

Millionaire jailed after allowing his son, 16, to marry his house keeper’s daughter in quickie Vegas ceremony (when he was supposed to be taking him to boarding school (The Dailly Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2172573/Millionaire-jailed-allowing-son-16-marry-house-keeper-s-daughter-quickie-Vegas-ceremony-instead-taking-boarding-school.html)