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Open Free for All / Open Challenge to Whooter
« on: November 12, 2010, 08:56:33 PM »
I wanted to save this little nugget before Whooter's time in the corner is over and he's had a chance to edit it and lie about having said it:
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31647&p=386177&hilit=lies#p386177
Here Whooter finally admits that he lies about other posters. The kicker is that he's claiming he only does so as a form of retaliation against lies told about him, the problem being that to my knowledge no lies have ever been told about Whooter .
So here's my challenge to you Whooter: Present the lies you claim have been told about you. If I had any direct involvement either through making the claim myself, or perpetuating it, I will do one of two things; either present evidence to back up the claim, or admit it was a lie. For every claim you present you must answer for one of your own.
The first person who must admit to having lied or cannot provide corroborating evidence to support his assertion for three seperate claims is declared the loser. The loser must at that point create a thread with the title, "My apology for spreading lies" and must then in said thread not only confess the individual lies told, but apologize to the offended party, and explain the reasoning behind why he lied. In addition he must donate $100.00 to the charity of the winners choice. If he agrees we can use Psy as a proxy.
Now assuming you accept the challenge let's lay down a couple of ground rules:
1. An issue that has already been addressed and admitted to as a mistake does not constitute a lie. Supporting evidence for the apology must be made upon request.
2. There are going to be some comments that are assumed to be a parody, and should be treated as such. That being said you cannot use that as a back door to get out of every lie you have told. If the claim has been made repeatedly over a long period of time, and has supporting comments like: We all know it's a fact that ________. Or the offended party has asked for supporting evidence prior to this conversation then it does not count as parody, and remains a lie until proven otherwise.
3. If you at some point pull your "I'm taking my ball and going home" tactic, the game is ruled a no contest and I am declared the winner. Essentially if you refuse to accept an answer or provide one yourself, refuse to move forward, attempt to attribute comments I had nothing to do with to me, deny obvious evidence, or refuse to take respondsibility for comments you have made, then you lose. If you suddenly back out after two admitted lies then you lose. Psy (again assuming he agrees) will be the final judge.
4. Evidence must meet certain criteria. The following things will not be considered evidence:
a. "Someone told me this was true" Someone must have a username and a link to the comments must be provided.
b. "You said this and then deleted your comment." If you cannot provide a link to the original comment or show where it was quoted by someone other than you at the time in question, chances are it never existed and does not count as evidence.
c "My feeling at the time was that this was true." Feelings are not evidence.
d. "The time stamps are wrong/Deborah must have altered my post" is not an acceptable back door. No one has altered your posts.
e. Editting old posts to cover up lies is not permitted. Any old posts with a recent edit stamp will be viewed as proof of the lie and will count towards the three.
Again Psy will be the final judge in all disputes.
So then whenever you get back from your exile I'll be eager to ehar your thoughts. Of course any rules you'd like to add on your own you are more than welcome to do so. Once everything is agreed upon we can begin. I hope you'll take me up on the offer.
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Ha,Ha,Ha Thats funny! This is what I mean about the attention stuff. If someone is going to start spreading lies about me then I will retaliate, yes.
http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=31647&p=386177&hilit=lies#p386177
Here Whooter finally admits that he lies about other posters. The kicker is that he's claiming he only does so as a form of retaliation against lies told about him, the problem being that to my knowledge no lies have ever been told about Whooter .
So here's my challenge to you Whooter: Present the lies you claim have been told about you. If I had any direct involvement either through making the claim myself, or perpetuating it, I will do one of two things; either present evidence to back up the claim, or admit it was a lie. For every claim you present you must answer for one of your own.
The first person who must admit to having lied or cannot provide corroborating evidence to support his assertion for three seperate claims is declared the loser. The loser must at that point create a thread with the title, "My apology for spreading lies" and must then in said thread not only confess the individual lies told, but apologize to the offended party, and explain the reasoning behind why he lied. In addition he must donate $100.00 to the charity of the winners choice. If he agrees we can use Psy as a proxy.
Now assuming you accept the challenge let's lay down a couple of ground rules:
1. An issue that has already been addressed and admitted to as a mistake does not constitute a lie. Supporting evidence for the apology must be made upon request.
2. There are going to be some comments that are assumed to be a parody, and should be treated as such. That being said you cannot use that as a back door to get out of every lie you have told. If the claim has been made repeatedly over a long period of time, and has supporting comments like: We all know it's a fact that ________. Or the offended party has asked for supporting evidence prior to this conversation then it does not count as parody, and remains a lie until proven otherwise.
3. If you at some point pull your "I'm taking my ball and going home" tactic, the game is ruled a no contest and I am declared the winner. Essentially if you refuse to accept an answer or provide one yourself, refuse to move forward, attempt to attribute comments I had nothing to do with to me, deny obvious evidence, or refuse to take respondsibility for comments you have made, then you lose. If you suddenly back out after two admitted lies then you lose. Psy (again assuming he agrees) will be the final judge.
4. Evidence must meet certain criteria. The following things will not be considered evidence:
a. "Someone told me this was true" Someone must have a username and a link to the comments must be provided.
b. "You said this and then deleted your comment." If you cannot provide a link to the original comment or show where it was quoted by someone other than you at the time in question, chances are it never existed and does not count as evidence.
c "My feeling at the time was that this was true." Feelings are not evidence.
d. "The time stamps are wrong/Deborah must have altered my post" is not an acceptable back door. No one has altered your posts.
e. Editting old posts to cover up lies is not permitted. Any old posts with a recent edit stamp will be viewed as proof of the lie and will count towards the three.
Again Psy will be the final judge in all disputes.
So then whenever you get back from your exile I'll be eager to ehar your thoughts. Of course any rules you'd like to add on your own you are more than welcome to do so. Once everything is agreed upon we can begin. I hope you'll take me up on the offer.
