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Title: Honor
Post by: hyde88 on August 27, 2007, 01:01:52 AM
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?
Title: Re: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 01:37:13 AM
Quote from: ""hyde88""
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?


Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.
Title: Honor
Post by: hyde88 on August 27, 2007, 01:40:22 AM
Did you actually have a question, or something to add? It's just your signature in your response.
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 01:46:45 AM
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Did you actually have a question, or something to add? It's just your signature in your response.

My apologies! Hit the submit button by accident!  Post has been edited...
Title: Re: Honor
Post by: hyde88 on August 27, 2007, 01:57:17 AM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.


Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.
Title: Re: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 02:18:20 AM
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.

Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.


Okay... I did not experience Straight, so I, myself, cannot honestly compare... But from my own personal experience, I found the brainwashing element pretty extreme.  It was very cloaked in "respectability" and many "feel-good" terms which, in retrospect, made it that much harder to tease out.  I should say, right here, so you understand, that I was brainwashed by Hyde, and I was a believer in Hyde, until certain events  happened to me and the so-called school did what it did, and it has taken over 30 years for me to process that.  For a long time, I have known that what happened was wrong on the part of Hyde, but I thought it was a fluke and just my bad luck, and did not realize that many others were also standing in my shoes.

Re. sexual predation on the part of faculty, there is much to read here in these threads.  Might I recommend the fine vintage of "Scary Larry..." as exposing a guilty few.  It is also my impression that the place really has a "My Fair Lady" complex.  Think about it:  Joe seducing Andrea VH and carrying on with her whilst still married to Blanche (perhaps separated?  still inappropriate), rapist Bob Thurrell, diddler Dubinsky, and then there is the plain and simple fact that Laura Denton Gauld and Laurie Gauld Hurd met their future husbands while they were students and the husbands were teachers...  Let us not forget the escapades of Henry Milton and the adventures at Sumner's Beach House...  And as to Sumner himself?  The grand old namesake of those who venture to remember Hyde in their will?  Hmm... let me just say I have heard some things a bit salacious and not so complimentary.

Out of curiousity, and with all due respect to you, who was the faculty member in question in your case?
Title: Re: Honor
Post by: hyde88 on August 27, 2007, 02:38:10 AM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""hyde88""
My name is Weston M. Price

I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

 Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).

There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.


Note, oddly enough. I am also a survivor of Straight Inc (Atlanta chapter).

Questions?

Having attended Straight, Inc. , you no doubt have a unique perspective on many of the coercion techniques employed by Hyde.  I am curious as to your impressions, comparisons, etc.

It is my thus far contention that Hyde is not quite as "obvious" as Straight, but if you happened to be unfortunate enough to stand out, so to speak, one way or another, you would probably be treated to a worse brainwashing.

All that I have learned thus far about Hyde, not to mention what I witnessed during my time there, leads me to believe that sexual predation is a large part of the Hyde experience.  It is not necessarily known, witnessed, or experienced by all Hyde students.  But it is a theme that keeps coming up, again and again, from the beginning to the present.  Somehow this is wrapped into the Hyde philosophy much as intestinal worms are sometimes found wrapped around someone's feces.  It is a symptom of a far greater and more integral problem.

Hmmm....

Good questions. My time at Straight was darkness. To be clear, there are very few parallels between Straight and Hyde beyond the typical 'mantra' of belief that is required of everyone. Straight was a different realm of abuse. Hyde was a walk in the park in retrospect.

To your question regarding predation at Hyde, there was always an element of 'sexual awareness'. Typically, in my time, there were quite a few folks on 2-4 as a result. The only relationship I knew of between a student and a teacher was my own; as a result, I can't quite comment on others. There were always rumors, but given what I know, they were always pretty much just that, rumors.

Okay... I did not experience Straight, so I, myself, cannot honestly compare... But from my own personal experience, I found the brainwashing element pretty extreme.  It was very cloaked in "respectability" and many "feel-good" terms which, in retrospect, made it that much harder to tease out.  I should say, right here, so you understand, that I was brainwashed by Hyde, and I was a believer in Hyde, until certain events  happened to me and the so-called school did what it did, and it has taken over 30 years for me to process that.  For a long time, I have known that what happened was wrong on the part of Hyde, but I thought it was a fluke and just my bad luck, and did not realize that many others were also standing in my shoes.

Re. sexual predation on the part of faculty, there is much to read here in these threads.  Might I recommend the fine vintage of "Scary Larry..." as exposing a guilty few.  It is also my impression that the place really has a "My Fair Lady" complex.  Think about it:  Joe seducing Andrea VH and carrying on with her whilst still married to Blanche (perhaps separated?  still inappropriate), rapist Bob Thurrell, diddler Dubinsky, and then there is the plain and simple fact that Laura Denton Gauld and Laurie Gauld Hurd met their future husbands while they were students and the husbands were teachers...  Let us not forget the escapades of Henry Milton and the adventures at Sumner's Beach House...  And as to Sumner himself?  The grand old namesake of those who venture to remember Hyde in their will?  Hmm... let me just say I have heard some things a bit salacious and not so complimentary.

Out of curiousity, and with all due respect to you, who was the faculty member in question in your case?


I have been perusing these forums for awhile and I have a pretty good idea of what you faced. I am trying to understand what you deemed 'belief' versus what you were simply to young to comprehend. In my mind, there is real difference.

As far as '...it has taken me over 30 years to process that..' I can understand the sentiment and the struggle you must have had. I think all of us deal with these things in our own way. Certain people actually remain at Hyde, they become assimilated as possible teachers, while the rest of us go on to do different things. I could sit here and feed you a line about how things are going to get 'better' but I think we all know that is just not true. Nothing in our respective pasts can truly compensate for what happened; sadly enough, nothing in our respective futures can truly give us what we envision.

I don't recognize most of the names you mention in terms of predation. I would imagine most of these are before my time. Joe of course is a constant; as lively and manical as ever. I never heard that about other women. Of course, keep in mind, he punched a student while I was there and was shuffled off for awhile. No one ever seems to remember that one, though the entire student body was there when two pretty courageous students were made to stand up (in front of the entire school) and confront him. I will still remember Joe G. actually grilling those two as if they were on the witness stand.

The teacher I had a relationship was named Margaret 'Peg' Brazier. I believe she is in DC now. We continued our relationship after Hyde, years later of course.
Title: Re: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 03:19:52 AM
Quote from: ""hyde88""
I have been perusing these forums for awhile and I have a pretty good idea of what you faced. I am trying to understand what you deemed 'belief' versus what you were simply to young to comprehend. In my mind, there is real difference.
I chose Hyde, as incredible as it may seem today, because their rhetoric struck me as being more focussed on "real values" and things that were "good" and made a difference.  The choice was between Hyde and a "normal" boarding school.  I started there young, I ended up attending 3-4 years.  I was a very sheltered youngster whose primary sin was depression and a sense of alienation from the status quo.  My parents were also very sheltered, at least from American culture, although I think my father figured out Hyde soon enough but didn't have the heart to voice his misgivings to me.

Quote from: ""hyde88""
I don't recognize most of the names you mention in terms of predation. I would imagine most of these are before my time. Joe of course is a constant; as lively and manical as ever. I never heard that about other women. Of course, keep in mind, he punched a student while I was there and was shuffled off for awhile. No one ever seems to remember that one, though the entire student body was there when two pretty courageous students were made to stand up (in front of the entire school) and confront him. I will still remember Joe G. actually grilling those two as if they were on the witness stand.

He punched a student during my time as well.  JoeSoulBro would be better able to fill you in as he witnessed it.  Some girl, and so hard her glasses went flying off into the dirt.

Bob Thurrell was Dean of Students when he raped one of his students.  He was slated to become Assistant Headmaster the following year, when Joe was to resign as Headmaster, and Ed Legg was to take over the helm (1975-76).  The school wasn't too happy about the change in plans, and Thurrell went off to "think over things" while the girl was put through the wringer.  It turns out that that this was at least the third attempt on the part of Thurrell and that the school was well aware of his previous shenanigans.

Larry Dubinsky was a student during and/or slightly after this time, perhaps Thurrell's wife Lynn was still teaching.  Larry was one of those Hyde success stories who came back to teach in lieu of other career options (!).  He married another Hyde student, Donna, who was a few years younger.  Donna still teaches at Hyde - Woodstock.  Larry likes to express his love for the girls in rather... physical ways... Eventually, a parent (s?) sued Hyde for the sexual assault of their daughter.  This latest circumstance was relatively recent, I'm thinking maybe 5 years ago.  Again, Larry went off to "think over things" and the girl was put through the wringer until she left.

There was an incident of a few years ago when some female music or Spanish teacher carried on with a male student.  She was let go.  I don't know much about this one.

Henry Milton was a faculty member during my time and had some rather focussed fascination with the boys.  Nighttime swimming in the nude at Sumner (Hawley's) beach house, plus discussions as to comparative size of one's Johnson, etc. plus other stuff that has been alluded to by others but which I don't know first hand. Henry's wife, Marsha, was carrying on an affair with one of my classmates.  Again, JoeSoulBro knows this one better as the two of them were buddies more than I was.

Sumner Hawley... well, I'll leave that one for another time, as I am tired.  Was he already retired by your time?  If so, it was not too long before that that he was still teaching...

What tangled webs we weave...
Title: Honor
Post by: Jesus H Christ on August 27, 2007, 07:07:06 AM
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No one ever seems to remember that one,


  Actually,  a woman from the time Mr bear and I were at hyde told me the story.  She was an eye witness.  Joe was sent to Hawaii to unwind.  I did not witness Joe slapping the girl in the lunch line for the offense of "having no personality" but I was in the student union when it happened.  A buzz went thought the building.  "Joe just ... !"  That man was strung tighter than the drone string on Bela Fleck's banjo.  It is a wonder he hasn't completely lost control of his temper and done something horrific.  When ever I was near him I sensed that he was teetering on the edge of some emotional cataclysm, like a volcano about to erupt.
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 12:15:31 PM
I am curious, Hyde88, as to why you chose to title this thread "Honor."  Care to elaborate a little on this?

Also, was Hyde aware of this relationship with Peg Brazier?  How did the shit hit the fan?  Why and how did she continue teaching at Hyde, let alone teaching at all, after all this came to light?
Title: Honor
Post by: hyde88 on August 27, 2007, 12:44:23 PM
Quote from: ""JoeSoulBro""
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No one ever seems to remember that one,

  Actually,  a woman from the time Mr bear and I were at hyde told me the story.  She was an eye witness.  Joe was sent to Hawaii to unwind.  I did not witness Joe slapping the girl in the lunch line for the offense of "having no personality" but I was in the student union when it happened.  A buzz went thought the building.  "Joe just ... !"  That man was strung tighter than the drone string on Bela Fleck's banjo.  It is a wonder he hasn't completely lost control of his temper and done something horrific.  When ever I was near him I sensed that he was teetering on the edge of some emotional cataclysm, like a volcano about to erupt.


Oddly enough, this is where Joe went after the incident during my time. Hawaii must be some sort of 'safe haven'. I would actually venture a guess about extradition laws, but it being a full fledged state in the Union probably renders that theory null and void.

For clarification, I think I should point out that I personally did not actually 'witness' the act in and of itself. Two other students did and being present for their public excoriation was what I was referring to in regards to this incident. I realized my statement from before could be construed as me having direct involvement and I wanted to clear that up.

Interestingly enough, the school seemed to deal with this in exactly the same manner as in the 70's. I suppose this is to be expected. What I have always wondered is how many incidents might have occurred with no witnesses whatsoever.
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 02:15:11 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
I am curious, Hyde88, as to why you chose to title this thread "Honor."  Care to elaborate a little on this?

Also, was Hyde aware of this relationship with Peg Brazier?  How did the shit hit the fan?  Why and how did she continue teaching at Hyde, let alone teaching at all, after all this came to light?


she took on tha last name of "Armstrong" while still in Miane...
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 02:50:06 PM
and still in maine in 2005 when her brother had abike/car accidnt.
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 03:28:43 PM
assoc off and on w tranqul space, yoga place in DC. 2002-2006. periodic back to maine
a couple pics here  http://tranquilspace.com/tees.shtml (http://tranquilspace.com/tees.shtml)

described as MSW Life Coach and yoga teacher
Title: Honor
Post by: Jesus H Christ on August 27, 2007, 03:52:26 PM
Quote from: ""hyde88""
Quote from: ""JoeSoulBro""
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No one ever seems to remember that one,

  Actually,  a woman from the time Mr bear and I were at hyde told me the story.  She was an eye witness.  Joe was sent to Hawaii to unwind.  I did not witness Joe slapping the girl in the lunch line for the offense of "having no personality" but I was in the student union when it happened.  A buzz went thought the building.  "Joe just ... !"  That man was strung tighter than the drone string on Bela Fleck's banjo.  It is a wonder he hasn't completely lost control of his temper and done something horrific.  When ever I was near him I sensed that he was teetering on the edge of some emotional cataclysm, like a volcano about to erupt.

Oddly enough, this is where Joe went after the incident during my time. Hawaii must be some sort of 'safe haven'. I would actually venture a guess about extradition laws, but it being a full fledged state in the Union probably renders that theory null and void.

For clarification, I think I should point out that I personally did not actually 'witness' the act in and of itself. Two other students did and being present for their public excoriation was what I was referring to in regards to this incident. I realized my statement from before could be construed as me having direct involvement and I wanted to clear that up.

Interestingly enough, the school seemed to deal with this in exactly the same manner as in the 70's. I suppose this is to be expected. What I have always wondered is how many incidents might have occurred with no witnesses whatsoever.

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Oddly enough, this is where Joe went after the incident during my time.


That was what I was referring to.  The person that related the story to me was working for Hyde at the time.  I thought that she related it an eyewitness account but I could be wrong.  There are a number of people that when to Hyde in the seventies that love a guy named Legg and don't care for Joe.  I believe the story was related to me as an example of why/how joe is/was bad vis-a-vis the goodness of Legg.  Legg never beat any one to my knowledge.  He was just verbally abusive.

Kids have been beaten at school for centuries in the US.  I think it is important to draw a distinction here between the good old fashioned  hickory switch out behind the wood shed of the one room school house or the catholic sister/brother that would occasionally administer a ruler predictably to your knuckles, and what Joe did. What we are talking about it a six foot 200 pound man losing his temper with little kids.
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 04:04:26 PM
As long as we're gossiping, there's the husband of Marie J. (French teacher, very sweet lady), who did a stint as photography teacher and Hyde pedophile.  He had an affair with a student named Beth who disappeared shortly thereafter.  Nothing was ever made public.

Never heard anything about Sumner and students--but the young married male faculty were fair game.  Funny how that never came out (so to speak) in seminars.

In the early 80's, when I was there, faculty were having quite a love-in--so many couples, I think they pressed headmaster Legg into service as a justice of the peace, to marry them in the sunken garden.
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 05:07:40 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
assoc off and on w tranqul space, yoga place in DC. 2002-2006. periodic back to maine
a couple pics here  http://tranquilspace.com/tees.shtml (http://tranquilspace.com/tees.shtml)

described as MSW Life Coach and yoga teacher
Well, Wes, I gotta tell you, and I sure hope I don't offend you with this, but I checked out that link, and followed it to the original site and read there a bit...  

And I am guessing that that is the right person, although whether it is or not probably doesn't affect most of the rest of this post...

MSW?  Life Coach?  What is the friggin' world coming to?  I don't know what it is about these New Agey places but they attract the fruit flies like a basket of rotting apples.  Mind you, I have no issues with yoga, per se, but these days it seems like the discipline has become a bastion of, and safe haven for, parasitic weirdos who just prey on people's natural desire to better themselves.

In the later pictures she reminds me of an older woman I knew shortly after Hyde, who preyed on the naivete and age-typical hormones of younger "men," ostensibly as a recovery method in reaction to a bad and failed marriage with a misogynist prick.  As I got to know her better, I rethought that latter descriptive.  

I don't care what kind of bad experience or trauma or what have you that they went through before, it sure as hell doesn't give people any right to go trawling through the student body for a more malleable stiff, so to speak.

Anybody that went through Hyde or any similar type of experience knows that people's souls are crushed together in a heat of misery and strong feelings.  It's bound to happen that people sometimes imagine a connection with one another that has far less basis in reality simply because of all the pressure. However, it really is the responsibility of the faculty member in such cases, both morally and legally, to keep a lid on things from progressing to inappropriate extremes. After all, they are supposedly the adult!

I can't even begin to imagine what "processing" you must have gone through in the aftermath.  How do you understand all that?  What box do you put that in?  In my time I can remember looking up to the faculty like they were God.  Well, not quite God, but you get the drift...  I couldn't imagine questioning any of them.  (I questioned the verity of plenty that I remember going on there after I got out, though...)
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 05:12:37 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
In the early 80's, when I was there, faculty were having quite a love-in--so many couples, I think they pressed headmaster Legg into service as a justice of the peace, to marry them in the sunken garden.


OMG, that's so sweeeeet....

NOT!!!!

 ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::
Title: Honor
Post by: Anne Bonney on August 27, 2007, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
MSW?  Life Coach?  What is the friggin' world coming to?  I don't know what it is about these New Agey places but they attract the fruit flies like a basket of rotting apples.  Mind you, I have no issues with yoga, per se, but these days it seems like the discipline has become a bastion of, and safe haven for, parasitic weirdos who just prey on people's natural desire to better themselves.




Newage:

Pronunciation: 'nü-ij
Function: noun
Etymology: 3sewer
: refuse liquids or waste matter usually carried off by sewers


 :rofl:
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 05:57:17 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
As long as we're gossiping, there's the husband of Marie J. (French teacher, very sweet lady), who did a stint as photography teacher and Hyde pedophile.  He had an affair with a student named Beth who disappeared shortly thereafter.  Nothing was ever made public.

Never heard anything about Sumner and students--but the young married male faculty were fair game.  Funny how that never came out (so to speak) in seminars.

In the early 80's, when I was there, faculty were having quite a love-in--so many couples, I think they pressed headmaster Legg into service as a justice of the peace, to marry them in the sunken garden.

Didn't mean to drop the ball on this, Guest.  I'm just having a hard time wrapping my brain around all these new cases.  We need a bulletin board like in Law & Order to track all this sordid history...

Well, probably no coincidence that Peyton Place was written in Maine, ha ha ha!

Okay... gigolo husband of Marie J. (French teacher), seduces and has an affair with "Beth."  Did this enter the official knowledge base of Hyde, is that why she had to leave?  What happened to the photographer?  And Marie?  Did they continue to teach at Hyde afterwards?  Did Beth's parents get involved at all?  This wouldn't, perchance, be Beth D., would it?
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 06:18:56 PM
Yes, all this did "enter the official knowledge base of Hyde."  Don't know why B. left (NOT Denton--this young woman was a more marginal figure.  forgot her name, she was pretty in a slightly geeky midwestern way, very blonde, glasses.) but who would want to stay, really, after such an experience.  Certainly she had enough experience with Hyde's seminar process to wish not to expose her soft underbelly to the jackals.

The Hawley situation with one student-turned faculty was the subject of some exclusive upper-level faculty seminars--not for public consumption.

I have mixed feelings about unearthing all this--don't wish to harm those who wish for privacy, but the ongoing, endemic hypocrisy of Hyde School continues to cause damage.  Being exposed to this at such a young age was traumatic to me--don't wish it on others.
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 07:02:45 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Yes, all this did "enter the official knowledge base of Hyde."  Don't know why B. left (NOT Denton--this young woman was a more marginal figure.  forgot her name, she was pretty in a slightly geeky midwestern way, very blonde, glasses.) but who would want to stay, really, after such an experience.  Certainly she had enough experience with Hyde's seminar process to wish not to expose her soft underbelly to the jackals.
Nice picture. "Soft underbelly to the jackals."  That is the "Hyde seminar experience" to a tee.

But what happened to the adults in that situation?  The perp, his wife?

Quote from: ""Guest""
The Hawley situation with one student-turned faculty was the subject of some exclusive upper-level faculty seminars--not for public consumption.
Who was this?  I already have a fair idea of one possible candidate.  I guess I'm wondering if there were more, or how many more. What did Jean Gannett have to say about all of that?

Quote from: ""Guest""
I have mixed feelings about unearthing all this--don't wish to harm those who wish for privacy, but the ongoing, endemic hypocrisy of Hyde School continues to cause damage.  Being exposed to this at such a young age was traumatic to me--don't wish it on others.

Believe me, it is a cancer that will grow 'till you find some release.  There is only one direction this kind of thing goes.  The early cases trickle in, one by one, accumulating... More and more people put their two cents in as they realize that they were not nearly as alone in this as they had been led to believe.  And it all comes out, eventually... to the benefit and greater emotional health of everyone, including those programmies at Hyde who think they are doing everyone a favor by keeping it all wrapped up.

Privacy issues are sensitive ones, people do have their own timetables on that one, and you have to respect that.  But they do seem to get shorter the more company there is, so to speak...
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 07:15:29 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
But what happened to the adults in that situation?  The perp, his wife?.
 Don't know.

Hawley pal:  Phil

Don't remember a lot more details--old age + tried not to let it all sink into my brain at the time . . . LA LA LA  my authority figures are FREAKS!!  LA LA LA   secrets are Ok for some but not others LA LA LA haven't had sex yet, but know WAY too much about adult complications LA LA LA
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 07:29:09 PM
Okay, I'll tell you right off the bat that Hawley tried it with someone else too.  Don't know how far that one ended up going, but it was not the person you mention.  Does the person you mention still live in Maine?

As to your last paragraph, jeesh, tell me about it!  When I look back on that place, I didn't know anyone that was as fucked up as these people are!  And yet, I'm the one who was getting toasted at the time!!

You should take on a username, if you haven't already... Could you PM me? If you feel uncomfortable about that, that's okay too.  No pressures.
Title: Honor
Post by: Jesus H Christ on August 27, 2007, 08:32:03 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
But what happened to the adults in that situation?  The perp, his wife?.
 Don't know.

Hawley pal:  Phil

Don't remember a lot more details--old age + tried not to let it all sink into my brain at the time . . . LA LA LA  my authority figures are FREAKS!!  LA LA LA   secrets are Ok for some but not others LA LA LA haven't had sex yet, but know WAY too much about adult complications LA LA LA


  Sumner and the love that dares not speak its name!  It is that deep spiritual affection that is as pure as it is perfect. It dictates and pervades great works of art, like those of Shakespeare, Michelangelo, and Sumner's  lectures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Wilde)
 
He was a grand old fag.
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 08:45:46 PM
Yeah, right, and don't forget Socrates while you're at it... Speaking of which, where's Mike these days?
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 09:01:02 PM
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Okay, I'll tell you right off the bat that Hawley tried it with someone else too.  Don't know how far that one ended up going, but it was not the person you mention.  Does the person you mention still live in Maine?

As to your last paragraph, jeesh, tell me about it!  When I look back on that place, I didn't know anyone that was as fucked up as these people are!  And yet, I'm the one who was getting toasted at the time!!

You should take on a username, if you haven't already... Could you PM me?  If you'd rather go the route of email, it's on my profile.  And if you feel uncomfortable about that, that's okay too.  No pressures.

Student or teacher?

I always liked ol' sumner--but have a hard time imagining him successfully seducing youngsters--he was old and had dandruff.  (of course my aging, dandruff-y self sort of sympathises--as long as we're talking about consenting adults.  sort of)

can't do a username.  too paranoid/lazy
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 10:44:57 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Okay, I'll tell you right off the bat that Hawley tried it with someone else too.  Don't know how far that one ended up going, but it was not the person you mention.  Does the person you mention still live in Maine?

As to your last paragraph, jeesh, tell me about it!  When I look back on that place, I didn't know anyone that was as fucked up as these people are!  And yet, I'm the one who was getting toasted at the time!!

You should take on a username, if you haven't already... Could you PM me?  If you'd rather go the route of email, it's on my profile.  And if you feel uncomfortable about that, that's okay too.  No pressures.
Student or teacher?

I always liked ol' sumner--but have a hard time imagining him successfully seducing youngsters--he was old and had dandruff.  (of course my aging, dandruff-y self sort of sympathises--as long as we're talking about consenting adults.  sort of)

can't do a username.  too paranoid/lazy
Former student, returned to visit, may have returned to teach, not sure about that...

Do not underestimate the persuasive qualities of the all-powerful Hyde mystique of greater character through copulation, it's been used too many a time to not be taken seriously. J/k.

Having a fornits username does not mean that you have to use it when posting.  Many do not.  But you'll be able to PM people about stuff you're too afraid to post.  Or about questions you have that you'd rather not post.  Or anything else for that matter.

Daily use of a good quality hair conditioner, even if you think your hair tends to be on the oily side, will combat dandruff better that any targeting product on the market.  Make sure to rub it in your scalp, not just your hair, for maximum effect.  Otherwise, use as directed.
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on August 27, 2007, 11:27:57 PM
I don't really have dandruff  :)

Luckily, there hasn't been that much I don't want to ask/answer publicly
thanks for the info
Title: Honor
Post by: Ursus on August 27, 2007, 11:50:21 PM
Quote from: ""Guest""
I don't really have dandruff  :)

Luckily, there hasn't been that much I don't want to ask/answer publicly
thanks for the info

;)  Didn't mean to imply as such...
Title: Re: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: ""hyde88""
There is no substitute for evidence, facts, and actual testimony. Having been at Hyde for probably the worst time in it's history, I can attest to quite a few things regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'.

Questions?


Hyde88, why do you refer to your period at Hyde as "probably the worst time in it's history"?  Wht more can you tell us "regarding the school, it's founder, it's history, it's 'unique potential'"?
Title: Honor
Post by: Anonymous on September 04, 2007, 12:59:04 PM
PS and BTW:  i have terible dandruff!!!  HAHAHAAA!!!  ::roflmao::
Title: BUSINESS AS USUAL
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2007, 09:33:17 AM
Former Faculty

Peg Armstrong (Ben Brazier ’04 Bath)
opened a new business in Bath (ME),
"Warrior Spirit," which features yoga
classes, Thai massage, and counseling

http://www.hyde.edu/ftpimages/107/downl ... 242111.pdf (http://www.hyde.edu/ftpimages/107/download/download_group7184_id242111.pdf)
Spring 2007?

@@@@

As usual, Hyde always welcomes back the faculty pedophiles with love, support, accolades, and free advertising.
Title: Re: BUSINESS AS USUAL
Post by: Anonymous on October 30, 2007, 04:45:04 PM
Quote from: ""pdf reader""
Former Faculty

Peg Armstrong (Ben Brazier ’04 Bath)
opened a new business in Bath (ME),
"Warrior Spirit," which features yoga
classes, Thai massage, and counseling

http://www.hyde.edu/ftpimages/107/downl ... 242111.pdf (http://www.hyde.edu/ftpimages/107/download/download_group7184_id242111.pdf)
Spring 2007?

@@@@

As usual, Hyde always welcomes back the faculty pedophiles with love, support, accolades, and free advertising.


Thai masage .....  Maybe I will go to that alum thing they are doing next year.  I liked the massage I got the last time I was in Bangkok.  Any body have a price list? Is she full service?

Led Egg
Title: Peg Armstrong, outside counselor/therapist
Post by: Ursus on November 03, 2011, 09:01:08 PM
Some select excerpts from previous posts, colored emphasis added:
Quote from: "pdf reader"
Former Faculty

Peg Armstrong (Ben Brazier '04 Bath)
opened a new business in Bath (ME),
"Warrior Spirit," which features yoga
classes, Thai massage, and counseling

http://www.hyde.edu/ftpimages/107/downl ... 242111.pdf (http://www.hyde.edu/ftpimages/107/download/download_group7184_id242111.pdf)
Spring 2007?
Quote from: "hyde88"
I attended Hyde school (Bath) roughly during the years of 1987-1988. I never finished, I was a discipline problem and never quite cared for any of the staff. In my time at Hyde I saw, or participated in:

Seeing a student (Stuart Grenik sp(?)) being struck by Joseph Gauld Sr (I was not the only one witness to this)

A sexual relationship with a teacher (with me)

My parents being paid off by Hyde to not press charges in regards to certain violations (see aforementioned relationship).
Quote from: "hyde88"
The teacher I had a relationship was named Margaret 'Peg' Brazier. I believe she is in DC now.
So... Peg Armstrong — despite showing a tremendous lack of discretion by getting sexually involved with a student, not to mention a warped cognizance of appropriate boundaries in what is clearly defined as a teacher-student relationship — has continued to enjoy a professional relationship with Hyde School.

It's unclear (to me) what happened between 1988 and 2002. For all anyone knows, she may have continued to teach at Hyde-Bath. Her LinkedIn profile implies that she did. Nevertheless, she did also have an active social worker's license for Maine between the years 1998-2002.

For part or all of the period between 2002-2006, she was employed by Hyde-DC (now known as Perry Street Prep since they severed their relationship with the Hyde Foundation).

Shortly after that, she returned to Bath, reactivated her social worker's license, and began counseling Hyde students as an outside therapist (http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37938&start=0#p407330). Which she has continued to do ... up to and including the present.

See also:
Title: Peg Armstrong
Post by: Violet on June 05, 2012, 01:07:37 PM
Actually, I don't think Peg Armstrong has been associated with Hyde in a while.  She is the school counselor at Morse High School in Bath.  I wonder if they knew about her past at Hyde when they hired her.  So yes, she is still counseling young adults, just not with Hyde.