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The Seed Discussion Forum / reminisce
« on: August 18, 2007, 06:08:54 PM »
no black hair
no other family members in the program
If you're a guy, I wouldn't have known you, we were always separated-right  and I wasn't the kind of girl you'd notice.  I was just chatting about all this.  I don't really remember anyone - I blocked most of it out - with lots of family 'support'.  Don't remember anything about my oldcomers.  No names, where they lived   or how long I was with any of them (I think there were 3).  I thought it was 'just another experience I lived through';  "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"  (that was for you, Greg).  
But I wander...  I KNOW I was 'trouble'.  Never can tell what I'll do or say next.
Like the time I stood up during the filming of the documentary.  It was an open meeting, maybe my third.  First time I'd been allowed to talk and I burst into tears in the middle of it  :flame: That was on Andrews Ave.  
Wonder how many families 'fell' for the way that was pitched. :wave:
Then Art kinda 'dared' me to get up and sing in front of group once.  I did.  That was on SR84.  Cured me.  Never put my hand up again.  ever
I was a designated driver, I remember that.  Commercial Blvd., east (by the pier) to SR84.  I loved that drive.  Several times a week.  So peaceful  
A moment of silence for 'the ride', if you please.  1967Mustang.  Sweet.
If you lived in between, you might have been in my Mustang.  This was the best time of my life actually...

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sue declares war on fornits explained!!
« on: August 18, 2007, 04:29:15 PM »
So if I read them, which I have been, I'm helping and getting a clue, yes?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / THIS is why SUE wins all those cases!!
« on: August 18, 2007, 03:59:01 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Kike says what now?

   so...                 what now?!
 

sorry, guys.  I couldn't resist ::peace::

...someone's name is conspicuously absent, suddenly.

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The Troubled Teen Industry / fly-by
« on: August 18, 2007, 02:56:55 PM »
...idiot-speak[/i], please!

on account of...

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Re: Robert/Libby
« on: August 17, 2007, 06:40:18 PM »
Quote from: ""3xsaSeedling""
But I'm in poor health.  Would that make me a 'bad person' too?


Wait:  I've discovered that makes me a victim. ::puke::

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Fred Francis reports...
« on: August 17, 2007, 06:33:25 PM »
Quote from: ""Ft. Lauderdale""
No its just Little old me.  I finally discovered that if I check messages first then I can post.  It kept saying Ft. Lauderdale is all ready taken.
I was trying to figure out where I was being taken to.


Are you TCK I was 'rapping' with?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / Sue declares war on fornits explained!!
« on: August 17, 2007, 06:27:40 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
 They're for clicking on and bumping up.


What's this?

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The Troubled Teen Industry / the evil Empress...
« on: August 16, 2007, 11:40:25 AM »
Missed y'all for a few days there.
You guys REALLY rock -thx.

Someone told me to suggest Aries to you. :question:

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Fred Francis reports...
« on: August 16, 2007, 11:33:59 AM »
mgm - also had 2 brothers (2yrs. and 4 yrs. older than I) 1 lived at home.  Neither were ever involved in the program:  they lucked out.  It would've ruined both of them.
...And yours?

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PURE Bullshit and CAICA / what goes around DOES come around
« on: August 16, 2007, 11:25:14 AM »
::rocker::  YOU GO GINGER  ::rocker::

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Web forum hosting / wtf?
« on: August 13, 2007, 06:47:55 PM »
so I'm in here typing away about noon and I realize the website is down; can't preview, submit, change pages, nothing.  Request Error  yeahsureright  so I logoff and on again and can't get in at all. I get some 'server denied access'.   Now it's 6:30p and smooth. wuwt?  Glad it was temporary
I lose it when I can't get in here:  you know "Lose it…it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of one's faculties, three fries short of a happy meal…WACKO!"

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Fred Francis reports...
« on: August 12, 2007, 01:20:31 PM »
I don't understand:  how we can be evidence, and still there's denial of 'abuse' we endured?
I'm talking about emotional brainwashing.  I'm talking about feeling like you don't quite fit in, sqare peg in a round hole.  Then the idea   :idea:  "I asked for/deserved" this, Abby-Normal, ya know? I was never even stood in front of group and come down on when I started over.   That would be 'playing her attention game'.  Just stuck back in group.  Lucked out again,  I think I was SO brainwashed, I never knew I had been, and isn't that the point?!
I used to watch the staff during group to see if I could 'pick-up-on' what it was that made them sooo different.
Picture a room full of little piles of shit.  I still stuck out-got that wrong too!
Some things just don't wash off.  Like being taught you did it to yourself and deserve what you get.  Thanks Art.

I'll never know what made my family member think molesting me was ok.  I'll never know why my family chose to participate in my emotional rape as well.  They will never understand how it was for me, nor me for them.I have never used or even seen a junkie/crack addict, or either drug.
Abandonment issues, useless crap like that.  Looks like I struggle with my same demons today as then.  Experiences have taught me how to 'beat them into submission' and go on about my merry way. I still watch&wait.   Reality does have a way of being real.  36 years doesn't change that.
None of this has ever calmed the suicidal urges I've had forever.*


I keep thinking of a compass analogoy I read in here.  I could still use a good 'needle-straightening'!  And which way IS due north?!
Here's another one:  what if we weren't ever really 'broken'?



*"Just keep passing the open windows."  freddie mercury
I hear ya freddie

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The Seed Discussion Forum / anyone else?
« on: August 11, 2007, 03:03:39 PM »
I'm not sure where this subject does belong, but I have to get this out.  
I was molested by a family member from the time I was 4 until the age of 16.  There were other times, other people, too.  Felt like a magnet, actually.  
There's no closure for this.  Nameless, faceless strangers from the past, the family member's dead.  Only what I'll be able to live with.  
Why didn't theallseeingArtBarker see that one?  Why was I so angry?
Not only did my own family (with 2 exceptions) not see/do anything?  Wait:  that's how I got to theSeed.  
Now I can really feel like I don't fit in anywhere.  Forever.  Sometimes, there is no 'around the yucky parts'.
Perfect that I call all these memories 'stuff':  that's just what I did-stuff them.  2 years worth.  Suddenly I feel like my whole life is at stake.
I see lots of 'roadsigns' in retrospect, for all the good that does me now.
I've had issues with being left out and being liked for as long as I can remember.  Did whatever it took to 'be included'.  2 neighbor boys lured me into a shed and convinced me to expose myself to them.  My mother caught them, but never spoke to me about any of it.  I have no clue what she was thinking, but in todays world... .  I think I lucked out on that one.
All the while...  My family is HUGE.  When there are get-togethers, all the 'kids' slept together, like a big slumber party.  Included was horsing around and lots of 'you kids be quiet now and go to sleep'.  Lots of laughter and warm fuzzy feelings, ya know?  There was  also inappropriate contact (I called it 'slap and tickle').  I just blew this stuff off as normal kid behavior.  I was 4 when that started.
Then, more neighbors.  I was 10-12 by now.  My family member would 'pop-up' every now and then, but I managed to duck that mostly.

I remember in H.S. a boy I liked tried to force me to perform oral on him.  Twenty years later I 'met' him again.  When he asked if I remembered him, with that smirk on his face, I gave him a blank look and said 'nope'.  :wink:   How satisfying to watch his ego wither everytime he saw me after that!  
He used to have to come to my job EVERY  week... ::roflmao::....still do when I think of it...

When I was 11 or so, my molestation became a regular thing, every time this family member saw a chance to try.  Apparently my reactions were to act out.  This got me the label 'incorrigible' - what does that mean, anyway?
They sent me to my cousin's farm for the summer.  I loved it!  Quit smoking, learned some things, wanted to stay and go to school.  Then her husband molested me.  And I told this time.  Home I went.  Then they forgot my birthday...
One day, incorrigible me was assaulted by the family member.  Tied me up and tried to rape me.  My brother intervened.  My parents came home.  All I got was the 'if you're lying' speech.  Not another word.  No concern, no counseling, NOT ANOTHER WORD. I was never left alone w/the family member again.  (There was a final episode with the family member who approached me when I was about 20.  Blew the whole thing off w/a  yeahsureright - getthefuckouttahere.)  I wish I had remembered some of this 'stuff' then.
Also around this time my bro-in-law decided it was ok to have some fun w/me too.  (I'll be your best friend!  Ya know ya want to!)
I had the time to talk with my mom about this before she died.  About 10 years after, the family member died.  Bear w/me.  I have to be careful to protect...
8-) was my favorite. Always.  I would do anything ** ever asked, loved *** that much.   Still.  And **'s been dead for years.
My reality is calling me.  gtg

bbasap

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The Seed Discussion Forum / Another 73/74 Seedling Grad
« on: August 10, 2007, 05:08:36 PM »
the previous post is mine. :wink:
Y'all are gonna
I live w/my husband and son.  They want me to stop posting here because my preoccupation w/'this Seed stuff' is bothering them :exclaim:  yeahsureright

Art's attitude always made me feel less-than-worthy.  I remember a psychiatrist (If that was true) came through group one day picking out people to speak with.  He was denied access to me.  Here's the answer he got:  "...she just  wants attention; there's no problem with her."  
Now I 'get it'.  Art had decided that was my game. How perfect his solution to ignore me was.  How better for me to see how ignorant he really was.
After that I felt a bit disassociated from the group-different-in a place where everyone was the same-'cept me.  Then came the documentary.  
Here's when Art became theSeed.  I guess they need political support and money and found a way to get it.  He always was theSeed actually: without the 'person' of Art contributing, theSeed did eventually crumble, didn't it?  
Suddenly, Art only led some raps.  And he wasn't there all the time, anymore.  The mood changed too:  became institutional.  By the time SR84 opened, Art led only a few raps ( always open meetings.  I never even saw him at the end of my program.
bbasap

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The Troubled Teen Industry / No Good one...
« on: August 10, 2007, 01:32:15 PM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
I'm still waiting on an explanation why its ok to torture and humiliate children but not adults  :roll:

It's not ok...  Kids can't fight back as well, so they're more easily victimized.

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